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THE BONUS OUTRAGE

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Neal Boortz
@ February 5, 2010 9:04 AM
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The Democrats are at it again. Class warfare. Democrat Senators Barbara Boxer and Jim Webb are determined to go after executive bonuses at companies that received TARP money. They introduced legislation - the Taxpayer Fairness Act - that would impose a 50% "fee" on bonuses over $400,000 from companies that get at least $5 billion in TARP funds. Why $400,000? Because that matches Barack Obama's salary as president.

Senator Webb assures us that "this is not class warfare. This is not going to run the gamut of all executive bonuses." Barbara Boxer says, "There is an outcry out there ... People are hurting from the residual effects of Wall Street ... This bill is symbolic, but it's real."

Not class warfare? Like hell.

It's this easy. We want these companies to succeed, right? We want them to pay all of their TARP funds back, right? Does it occur to you that these companies might need some of the best executive talent out there? Does it also occur to you that there is competition for this executive talent? So put yourself in the place of some business wizard who is being recruited by two major businesses; one that took TARP funds, and one that did not. Is he really going to go with the company that is subject to the Democrat's "Taxpayer Fairness Act?" Hardly.

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What others are saying

  • let the stockholders vote
    The problem is that the boards of these companies are filled with members that are running other companies and they all scratch the back of the ceo that is on their board. The boards are handing out rewards that are not their's to give. no different than when Congress spends money that they don't earn. How about a simple, un-intrusive regulation, the board must be made up of major stockholders if the company is publicly traded. Then the market forces will ensure executive compensation is at the fair value. It is not class envy that makes me question what some of these guys make, it is cost benefit. If the stockholders vote on pay the guy will get what he is worth and the stockholders will get the rest. If he thinks he is worth more than he can go alookin'.
  • Bonus
    Wow! One woul think that the "People's" party would be proud of a company that gave profits "back" to the employees that helped it earn them. Besides, I am pretty sure the IRS is there to ensure that the income taxes are paid.
  • This is intentional
    Doesn't anyone else understand that they are intentionally trying to drive away all the talented, smart employees in order to replace them with dumber, less effective workers.

    Then the government can keep the company from repaying TARP money and perpetually retain control of the financial institutions. This is plain as day to me.

    Why do you think Dear Leader has decided to implement a "fee" (let's give a tax a new monicker and watch as people suddenly don't mind it so much)? It's to punish those institutions that repaid the TARP. "Fees" that will instantly get passed on to you and me, the consumers.

    I am from the former USSR; we left Motherland exactly due to this kind of BS. This is a confederacy of dunces! I can tell you with utmost certainty that we are headed well down the path of Socialism. I've been there and it smells like inflation, long-lines, back-room bartering, bribery and no rule of law.

    Welcome to the new America.
  • Less gov't intervention
    Profits belong to the company and they alone should determine how to distribute it.

    A contract is a contract; the gov't does not have the right to arbitrarily change the rules as they see fit because they disagree the way the companies are distributing their profit. That was not the agreement between the companies and the gov't when TARP was issued so why are some so okay with this (the gov't is disregarding the contract clause of the Constitution). This is dangerous territory and we should be alarm not celebrating or accepting.

    TARP was wrong then and it is still wrong!

    Yes, the companies are able to distribute these bonuses due to TARP, so what--it was a loan not a gift. The company should be able to distribute their earnings the way they see fit without the gov't breathing down their neck.

    I don't understand the logic behind those who find nothing wrong with the gov't going after the bonuses because without the gov't they would be no bonus. No one forced the gov't to loan the money, in fact, I was one of the millions who was against the TARP and believe bankruptcy should have being the first option (the strong survive and the weak parish).
  • "best executive talent out there"
    Neal, has it occurred to you that the "best executive talent out there" almost brought down the entire world financial system?

    Neal, your rants fall on deaf ears because the leaders of these "too big to fail" banks are incompetent a**holes. The are NOT the best executive talent out there and they do NOT deserve bonuses. The damage they did went FAR beyond just paying back the bailout money. We are standing at 10% unemployment and have spent THREE TRILLION DOLLARS trying to recover from their incompetence.

    They owe the world and the citizens of the U.S. a LOT more than the money borrowed to save their butts. They need to make whole what they have damaged.
  • Executive Bonuses
    Oh come on now. Executive talent? All of us out here who do the REAL work know that those guys who sit in the fancy offices don't do anything of value. Mostly they just issue rules that make it harder for us to do our work. Anyone can sit in a plush office and make a few phone calls a day. They shouldn't even make the ridiculous salaries they make let alone get a bonus. LOL
  • But I suppose Geithner's backdoor payoffs to AIG don't count
    I'm so sick of democrat hypocrisy. Truly, the culture of corruption brings such an overwhelming stench to Washington that an oxygen mask is required.
  • Gruder
    Dolan/Fantana/T-Buggerer or whatever he's calling himself today doesn't debate... just slings mud around, feeling better about himself if he hits something. When you try to debate a point he makes, he'll claim to have never said that. The only thing worse than arguing with an idiot is arguing with an insolent idiot. The only thing I can think of that would make someone so snide and hateful is that he got his @$$ kicked a lot when he was a kid--- most likely for displaying the same kind of stupidity he displays here daily.
  • Does this "fee"
    apply also to the titular heads of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the heads of which got beaucoup bonuses for outstanding performance ... fleecing the taxpayers.
  • Business is NOT the problem
    You people who are all pissed off at "big business" are missing the point. Politicians are the problem here. Tax money is not theirs to give.
    http://fee.org/library/books/not-yours-to-give-2/
  • well timed collapse
    in an effort to establish a world dollar.Bilderberger society
  • Charlie Sheen
    See, now, I clicked your link and now I can't do anything until I find out how Charlie survived his car going over a cliff. See what you started?
  • 400000 saleries
    If bankers are BAD - whatabout baseball, basketball, football,american idols, hollywod best, etc?????udfux
  • CLUB A LIBERAL
    The unit that identifies itself with a dangling scrotum speaks in mischief.
    Zardoz hears the insincerity - it is merely entertaining itself using not misplaced sarcasm but instead a mechanism by which it reconciles itself with its lust for its maternal unit.
    It is nothing more than a fixture.
    Go about your day in good spirits and worry not.
  • Sorry Neal
    But in a rare moment, I agree with the Senators. If you received taxpayer money to bail your sorry keisters out and kept you in business then no mega bonus' for you. I'm just as outraged at this as I am when I see someone in line at a grocery store with an iPod in their ear, cell phone in their pocket, kids playing with a Nintendo DS or PSP, gold jewelry and fancy clothes and buying junk food only to pay for it with their family first card. Welfare is welfare no matter how you slice it and neither way should it be abused in an way.
  • @Frank
    Goldman Sachs paid back their TARP loan months ago, plus $1.1B in premiums.

    "Goldman Sachs (GS, Fortune 500) said it paid the government $1.1 billion to redeem the stock-purchase warrants it issued Treasury last fall. The payment marks the first time taxpayers have recovered the full value of warrants issued to a major institution under the Troubled Asset Relief Program, one expert said."

    If you're gonna be mad about abusing TARP funds, at least go after a company that hasn't paid back the TARP funds, like, say GM.
  • Too Smart for Me
    I'm sorry, Tea Bagger.
    I am not worthy. A mere Tea Partisan such as me surely cannot get something past you. You obviously have a firm grasp on the entire Tea Bag
    movement.
    As for debate, I am certainly not up to the task, not with my pesky ties to reality and such. Nope--I’m no match in an argument with a smart populist who is not so constrained.
    I’ll also not mention the goat thing again, as I am certain you can ably sniff out the difference between a real goat and...well, one of those.
  • Opposable Thumbs
    Speaking of opposable thumbs, watch out for those crazy dolphins:
    http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28315
  • TARPers and Bonuses
    Two points
    1) I have no pity for companies that lobbied for a bailout to stand-up their failing companies. If the company was failing, LET IT FAIL! That's what capitalism is all about. These people who want "fairness" in society are the same people that push that humans evolved using the premise of "survival of the fittest." According to evolution theory, human evolution stems more from our evolved brain, combined with other physical advantages including opposable thumbs, giving us the knowledge and and abilities to use tools and thus survive; Our evolution was much less about our physical stature, strength, speed, or agility as in other animals. How then do the "fairness" proponents discount the survival of the fittest method of competition in the marketplace and redistribution of wealth? Some may argue that it is due to our inherent morality that we help our neighbor; Arguing morality is not the issue being put forth.

    2) Those companies that did NOT want the bailout and were forced into accepting government money should not have any barriers standing in the way of progress. When has regulation, higher taxes, or following government advice ever lead to financial growth other than further government spending? I am no history major, but I don't think Japan's booming economy is because government spending caused growth; This is of coarse sarcasm because Japan has been in economic decline for some time now even though their government has thrown billions of dollars, or trillions yen, at the problems.

    In the end, the bailout should never have happened. It only promotes further sucking at the teet of the American tax payer, and We the People are sick and tired of it. People complain about the Wall Street "fat cats", but what about the Pennsylvania Avenue and Capitol Hill "fat cats"? When are we going to put a cap on their income?
  • executive talent?
    if these executives had any talent then why did they need TARP funds? they should have gotten what the Chinese did to their "rouge traders"

    http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5B71VC20091208

    but we've got these wall street myrmidons, like neal, who wants them to get rewarded for bringing our financial world to it's knees, and force us to bail them out with our taxes.

    the wall street economy is NOT our nation's economy.
  • Good argument Gruder
    You are truly knowledgeable and a stalwart when it comes to debating. CLAP CLAP CLAP
  • We should be upset...
    The ONLY reason they even got bonuses was because of the stimulus and the tarp. Otherwise they would have not gotten ANYTHING. Tim Geithner, Larry Summers, Ben Bernanke, and Henry Paulson are criminals and puppets ultimately for all of the power players who are profiting off the demise of the dollar. They saved NOTHING. NOTHING. They gave all of their little circle jerk banker buddies bonuses and left the entire American population with NOTHING. Do you understand this? NOTHING. NOTHING. The money given to the banks was supposed to be used to lend to small businesses and credit worthy Americans to get the economy kickstarted. It was not meant to be given to the very creeps that caused the problem in the first place. It’s like trying to help a heroin addict kick their addiction by giving them an overdose. I hope you guys realize what has happened. It is now 100% mathematically impossible to fix the economy. Check for yourselves. Run the numbers if you know how. I am in banking and finance and I have a brother who is an economist and a trend forecaster. We both agree as do many of our colleagues. IT IS OVER. It is not a question anymore IF the dollar will collapse. It is now a question of WHEN. Don't you guys realize that this collapse was planned? These maniacs are attempting to collapse the entire planet's economies. It will be like a domino effect. I can’t predict exactly when it will hit the fan, but it is now a mathematical certainty. The fallout from this could be disastrous. We are in uncharted territory here. Never before have the elites ever attempted what they are doing right now on this scale. We need a plan and fast. Listen to the words of Ron Paul. His message is clear. Something must be done soon…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AooYkIG59uw
  • Bankrupting my boss
    I know people like Boss and Webb resent my boss. But if they bankrupt him, that would probably put me in a pinch too.
  • You always talk about "Executiev Talent"
    Judging by the performance of these bailed out banks, AIG, Freddy, Fannie, GM, that we've seen these last couple of years, if this is what you call talent, I'd hate to see what your definition of an under performer is. Some of this "talent" got paid 10's or 100's of millions of dollars in annual compensation. And this talent was absolutely not held accountable for their performance or their company's performance.

    Why is it that 30 years ago, truly talented executives could actually run large companies for a small fraction of the money they get today. And they got booted out fast if they or their companies didn't perform.

    There are thousands of more "talented" people that can do a much better job running these jumbo companies than these bozos. And the shareholders wouldn't get burned as much.

    Boortz, you need to pick up a dictionary and look up talent. These talented executives are to business what those talented artists are that the government pays to place unsellable monstrosities in front of public buildings. Good riddance to this talent, I say.
  • Tea Bagger?
    Tea Bagger? I'd say the name actually fits in your case. I'd give you the goat, but I'm afraid you might enjoy it.
  • cute name
    Geez, the "Taxpayer Fairness Act", who could be against it with a sweet name like that? Sounds like one of those hair-brained acts from Atlas Shrugged!
  • Tea Party for more Bonuses
    Yes, we conservatives dont know that bonuses are meant for employees when the business does well, but we do think that they are a way to spend tax payer dollars. I mean rather than hiring new employees w/ that money, or helping out small business(both liberal philosophies), I think that money should go to giving bad businessmen more money!!! Who will join my tea party. I think the only people who should profit off of this are the ones who got us in this mess to begin w/. Come and be a tea bagger also!
  • @Frank Sanders
    Frank: In a vacuum you a right. However, because executives were getting high salaries in the 1980's, Democrats passed legislation to limit salaries. So now these executives pay packages usually include shares or options for shares in the company. Hence they are usually large stockholders in these companies that they manage.
  • Democrats look at their ideas in a vacuum
    Democrats look at their ideas and policies in a vacuum. Raising taxes is an example. When they raise taxes, the producers are a) going to hold back on production b)go to another jurisdiction where the tax and regulation burden is lighter, or c)any combination of a) and b).

    However, Democrats think, that when they raise taxes, everything else will continue with the same amount of inertia. They don't realize that many if not all of their idea are that unbalanced force that stops the inertia which is the economy and business.

    But then again, politicians are reactive and almost never proactive...
  • Shareholders
    Good point, Frank. The shareholders should vote their demands...at least if the shareholders are worried more about their immediate returns as opposed to a bit more enduring strength. If it turns out executives are abusing, and this should be a case by case determination, shareholders should make their voices heard, but should not pursue the government to step in. Asking Nanny.gov to help puts us on the slippery slope away from liberty--oops - already there.
    Of course, you did not mention asking for government intervention. If that was your intent, however, I'd have to give you the goat.
  • Click Here?
    I was expecting one of the goat scenes from the movie Waiting, but ET is funny as well.
  • Profits belong to the shareholders - not the executives
    Something is very wrong when 90%+ of the profits are distributed to executives or employees (i.e Goldman Sachs) instead of as dividends to the shareholders, or gasp paid back to the TARP taxpayers. The shareholders (i.e investors that built the company) should have more say in where the profits go.
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