I read some of the account from whatsupwiththat. The US Navy has a nice site with pictures too. There's even a Wikipedia article on the SKATE. Sounds like it would have been a nice expedition to be on. Again, I would assume they picked areas to surface where the ice was thin to protect the sub.

Like I said about arctic sea ice... It is variable in thickness, due to the fact that it is floating and subject to winds, currents, etc. When the graphics depict an area of sea ice extent (from satellite data), it does not represent an area completely covered.

There's a good explanation here:
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/faq.html#area_extent

here's a nice graph of sea ice area (different than 'extent')
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/global.daily.ice.area.withtrend.jpg


It is also not uncommon for there to be difference in sea ice thickness as well as leads across an area. It is also very difficult to compare the thickness or extent of sea ice from pre-satellite times with extents available now.

I'd love to read through these references. What urls are you talking about. A quick search fails to find them. Also remember that many satellite measurements look at information from different levels in the atmosphere. At some levels, temperatures may even be rising (Stratosphere, for instance). All the satellite measurements are interesting to look at. There is quite a bit of room for improvement here I think.

Actually I thought it was snarky!

Didn't Copenhagen used to be like the porn capitol of Europe? So these overbearing, over-opinionated, pompous asses are flying in from all around the world and no doubt taking taxis and limos and turning lights on and running fans when they twist up a fattie in the latrines and using the bidets...but the rest of us are causing the problem? One word...hipocracy!

is a guy I used to work with.

That wasn't the secret? Oops, sorry.

This is sort of a continuation of my last post as these posts are size limited.

One of the more interesting things about the National Weather Service temperature data is that once Obama came to power, the data changed. What allegedly was done is that satellite data was removed from the average, which is considered by some to be less accurate than ground station measurements. This resulted in an increase in average temperature since 1950 or so. Now, the strange thing is this. The removal of the satellite data DECREASED the temperature readings prior to 1950.

Now think about this. Satellite data changed temperature readings to lower values from 1897 to 1950. Think hard. Can you figure out the problem with this?

The more intelligent reader should have figured this out easily. For the government educated I will spell this out: THE FIRST SATELLITE WAS LAUNCHED IN 1957. WE DIDN'T HAVE SATELLITES BEFORE 1957. Sputnik was launched in October of 1957 and we didn't really start getting temperature data until the 1960's.

Got it?

If not, consider: we didn't have satellites, how can we have satellite data?

Still don't get it?

IF THERE WERE NO SATELLITES THERE IS NO SATELLITE DATA TO REMOVE.

Someone is lying.

I have the data before and after Obama took office. Get the URLs and look it up at archive.org if you don't believe me.

WE'S SKREWED.............

Outlaw environmental conferences.

BN, they'd break it for sure, then we wouldn't have ANY weather. We'd be better off painting the buttons and knobs on the control pendant pretty colors and handing it to a toddler.

You can tell they didn't give it to me, 'cause algore doesn't get airsick and sh*t his earthtone pants every time he goes up in a plane.

Nah, I wouldn't do that to his pilots and aircrew.

secret???....what secret????????

teeeeeelllllll meeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!

...than the climate we had 50-100 years ago?

Specifics please.

Anyone know the secret? BN and JCooper you guys hush.

Spew my coffee hun waz a madda wid you? LOL

LH, love your sarcasm!

Hot Rod is shaping up to be the most intelligent person, right next to Einstein, on this website. They have some of the most amazing information to post here and are surely to have convinced someone to think their way. I can't stop staring at this brilliant work that Hot Rod has posted here.

if this party gets crashed by some kind of violence. They already have cages setup for dissenters at the event. I actually hope this gets crashed no matter how it happens. Whether it happens violently or non violently this meeting has to be ended before any treaties can be signed.

Please, PLEASE have more to say about this during the week. Nothing can get a conservative to cry so much than environmental meetings in Denmark. This is great news.