abortions
Having the government (taxpayers) pay for abortions would indeed be turning over your body to their control who could then say, you've had too many abortions, it's time we sterilize you so this doesn't keep happening.

In many cases,this would be bad ?????
By J Cooper

well.......

just as a follow on comment, if you believe that serious threats are those that potentially could kill tens or hundreds of thousands of americans - the flu or your automobile are more of a threat than terrorism.

the problem is, just like people who want to treat KSM like some "special" kind of killer, terrorism is about creating fear - I say we don't cave to that and treat this like what it is - islamic hillbillies with an axe to grind.

This is just my take:

DOJ had a choice here. They could have moved forward with a military tribunal or a federal case.

To think that, in a tribunal, the defendants still dont have a defense (like a fed case) or arent' able to mount a defense (like a fed case) I think is incorrect. The only difference is the jury pool, the judge, and how the case is brought against those charged.

And the idea that KSM would be aquitted in a fed case is A)ridiculous but B)do you think that, by some stretch this did happen, that he'd walk out of court and down to the local starbucks? No. Never happen.

So, to me, this is about how justice is applied. By or treating these guys like soldiers in a war or common criminals.

if I'm the AG, I treat them like criminals because, to treat them like soldiers is wrong and completely caving to their wishes - that is, to be "at war" with the US.

Look, I"m biased to be sure - Terrorism to me, is this scraggly remnant of villagers who have no clue how the real world works and have, unfortunately, many means at their disposal to disrupt it.

If you look over the course of history, death from war as a whole, even if you include current wars and terrorism, is WAY WAY down. Our world is becoming more and more peaceful, not violent.

But, these freaks remain.

Better to treat them like the remnant wack jobs they are then as some kind of legitimate military force.

They aren't. not even by a long shot.

I dont want to make that sound like I'm not aware of the risks they pose. They can and are very dangerous and, as I said, in today's world, they have many means to greatly disrupt the global economy and murder thousands.

But I still hold the view that terrorism is just what's left here, not the "next big threat". And, given that view, and given the miniscule risk of trying KSM in a fed court, and given the benefits of treating him like a common criminal - this makes sense. To me.

better to sluff them off like the fleas they are then treat them like some established military force. We have proven that people like this can be tried, convicted, and imprisoned in our country with little problem.

Why make KSM "special"? To me, that's the approach most akin to what al qaeda would like to see.

"why are you neo-cons so afraid of having a trial in the states of terrorists?
two letters will explain"

It is called your President has already screwed the pooch by running his mouth in China on this issue. If they follow the legal system in civilian court the case SHOULD be tossed out. He was never read his rights. Automatic toss out. Next, your president has already tainted the case by calling him guilty, saying he was tortured, booth of those comments should be enough to get the case tossed out.

Your President is a MFing idiot. And if you do not understand the difference between the rights of a citizen and the no rights of a non citizen then you are a part of the problem in America. Please do not ever vote. You are not competent enough to do so as it is clear you do not understand anything other than where is my free healthcre.

Joyce and Snarkybird,

I looked and from what I can find, KSM was taken in Rawalpindi, Pakistan, March 2003. Was not the US conducting a "war" in Afghanistan at that time? Would that not be considered a part of the theater of operations for that conflict involving the Taliban? In essence, this guy was captured in a war zone?

Not trying to start a flame war. I am attempting to see if we can agree on some facts and determine from there the basis for a tribunal. I did not see the entire interview with AG Holder, but might he have said that KSM was not taken in conjunction with a military operation or in a war zone???

Again, I don't think Rush is running for office!!! Your argument does not hold water since you have not stated his exact actions that are not true, or (let's give you a little leeway here) detrimental to the conservative cause.

Do you have that? Then stick to the issues. All you are doing is being devisive. We don't have time to argue amongst ourselves.

It could be found in the fact that Al Qaeda declared war on us.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2009/11/on_gersons_takedown_of_attorne.html

Pre-trial hearing:

Prosecution: submit as evidence ...
Defense: move to exclude. Client was not granted rights guaranteed under Miranda.
Judge: evidence excluded.
Prosecution: move to drop all charges.
Judge: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, you're free to go.
Defense: file civil complaint for unjust incarceration, waterboarding, etc.

Ah, sh ... oot!


The act that has dumbocraps celebrating in the streets, you know the ones that have voted Republican all their lives, but now that their obamamessiah is destroying this great country, will never vote for the GOP again.

Snarkybird,

I am almost willing to walk down this path with you but for one problem.

Congress authorized the President to walk like a duck, smell like a duck, quack like a duck, and sh$t like a duck. So, he must be a duck.

As I have watched this discussion played out with alleged scholars of the Constitution, if Congress authorizes the President to conduct hostilities tantamount to conducting a war then it must be a war.

Flame me if you like. I know that I did not do the argument justice. I am not an attorney, just a lowly retired Army type that woke up in a MEDEVAC tent one day with my head pounding, my ears ringing, blood emanating from all of my orifices, broken bones, wondering WTF???!?

I do not recognize this government anymore anyway. All I know is that a lot of men and women are dying from a lot of violence from a group of Muslims that definitely declared war on us.

Butt neckid said:

"http://fleming.house.gov/index.html"

Hoo-AAH!!!

I continue to be astounded by the sheer bulk of the legislation Congress produces. Here's an idea for trimming the size and complexity of these bills: make congressmen and senators pass a comprehension test on a bill before they are allowed to vote on it. Make those scores public so we can tell who really does know what's going on. If congress thinks it's good for students to take a bunch of tests to prove they actually know something before they graduate, why shouldn't congress prove that they know something about the bills with which they are trying to saddle us. I guarantee laws would be reduced to a reasonable size or not introduced at all if every bill was an opportunity for our representatives to vividly display their ignorance and ineptitude by failing a test. Of course, they do plenty of that now, so it might not change anything.

An $18 million dollar job training program for the American Association of RETIRED Persons. What's next, $10 million for a driver's ed program at the Hellen Keller School for the Blind?

It's pretty bad when Lindsey Graham makes you look dumb. It's obvious nobody in the WH has even began to think this ksm thing through. Expect a circus with rude surprises.

"That would sicken me also IF the GOP has not emptied it's contents of the RINO's and actually start supporting worth while candidates."

Agree completly, the RINO's (Limbaugh, Palin, Bachman, etc) should be purged as they are hurting the party.

The focus should be as you state, to find and promote solidly conservative candidates across the board.

HR 615......

here is a link ya'll should go to......

make congress take the same hellthScare as they force on us???????

it is a petition......

http://fleming.house.gov/index.html

go see go do go go.........

HR 621......

jist red dis on drudge........osamabama tells troops.....great photo op......

deep breath.......let it out slowly.....squeeeeeeze.......

SCUM IS A POLITICIAN......

Hussein (brilliant Harvard trained lawyer, and former President of the Harvard Law Review, ooooooo) is trying ksm the way he is to show the world we’re fair, then he publicly prejudges with certainty, not only ksm’s conviction, but his sentence and execution. Who’s going to believe ksm’s trial is fair now, unless he walks. Hussein’s real reasons for this insanity are obviously different from the ones he fed us, and like the timing, have ulterior motives. I think much of it is to legally turn 9/11 back to a civil crime, rather than an act of war.

Hussein is also assuming we’ll be dumb and blindly bloodthirsty enough for vengeance to think executing one in the hand is worth the assets we will lose and the terrorists that will get away because of the secrets the USA will have to give away to convict him in a civilian criminal court, if they even can.

I’m assuming from hussein’s certainty, that he’s at least smart enough to have already cut deals with his buddies at the ACLU, etc…not to keep this tied up in appeals for the next 20 years if ksm is convicted and sentenced to death. I don’t know though, I’m finding it difficult to underestimate his stupidity. Sometimes I wonder if the clintonistas aren’t advising towards making a fool of him to clear the deck for a hillary ’12 run (Kinda like Reagan running against incumbent Ford in ’76), I just can’t imagine hussein being this dumb all on his own.

Re Joyce
It does seem that the GOP is trying to make a hard right. The problem is too many supporting the party and not enough people looking at the individual running.
By mattisben

THAT is indeed a problem! One thing we have to do is get at least fiscal conservatives back in office REGARDLESS of the party. You are right that is a big problem. That's why I wish the GOP Michael Steele would step up and call out RINO's and ask them to leave the party. If they are no longer supporting the basics, they need to go. I would respect them a lot more.

in the Forbes article. However there are many good points that Republicans/ Conservatives can use to rally America against ObamaCare.

The article outlines some of the tactics used by those opposed to ObamaCare, yet no mention of abortion.

So, what's the deal with mentioning that with the link to he story?

And how can you be so concerned about women's choice wrt abortions but not a mention of the ridiculous HHS task force report that women don't need mammograms until they're 50 yrs old?

All we have to do is call them by their proper ideological labels: Socialists/Statists/Progressives/Marxists/Fascists/Stalinist/Leninist/Collectivists/etc. And they get all upset.

They know that if they just called us “Conservatives” or “libertarians” we would thank them and be on our way.

So they have to come up with new pejoratives to use against us, it's actually quite amusing if you think about it.

Why do you people on the Left recoil at the label 'Statist' or 'Socialist'?

I know how you feel about bailouts, Joyce. I just had to expand on your post because the whole idea of Too Big To Fail makes me go ballistic.

in the real world, you're right, Joyce, but it's maddening to think this opportunity will be wasted. the GOP can be crushed and replaced with a conservative party. I mean this is it. Obama and friends are going to make somebody look very electable in a few years and it will sicken me if it's an (R). like McCain's mother said, the GOP will nominnate my son. they will hold their noses when they do it, but they'll do it. how right she was.

Gee, that sounds suspiciously like AARP was paid for their endorsement (their vote, if you will) of O'crapcare.

Oh, but wait a minute! That never happens!

It does seem that the GOP is trying to make a hard right. The problem is too many supporting the party and not enough people looking at the individual running.

After George Bush and his buds ran as conservatives and ruled as liberals, are you obtuse enough to vote for anyone who identifies themselve as part of their party?
By Gavin Volaire

You automatically assume that the GOP won't get rid of the RINO's and get back to their basic platform. I believe that is the plan. Past bad performers may not condemn the party forever IF they get the right participants.

This is going to be very interesting. If this terrorist who masterminded the deaths of 3000 and who cost our country billions does not get a death sentence and get it carried out in short order, Obama's chances of reelection are NIL. The POTUS has linked his political viability on a court proceeding... I process which he has no control.

why are you neo-cons so afraid of having a trial in the states of terrorists? they weren't afraid in madrid, or london, or indonesia, or india who each had hosted trials of high-level terrorist suspects using their normal justice system.

don't you realize that your fear of them make them the winners?

"As is so typical of liberals...they want to prosecute terrorists like they just your average lawbreakers."

I agree except the previous liberal didn't want to prosecute KSM at all. How dare Bush swagger around like a cowboy without trying this guy in a military tribunal vs. leaving him for the next guy to screw it up? The fact that he failed to bring bun laden to justice is forgivable -- the fact that he stopped trying is not. The fact that he named North Korea as part of his Axis of Evil then quietly removed them from the US terror watchlist before slithering away is practically criminal.

As a former soldier I can tell you that the vast majority of enlisted men (the ones actually fighting), would adopt the policy of taking no prisoners, ever!

Nice try sweetie. Graham is a RINO, but at least he grew a pair long enough to call out a guy who needed and deserved to be called out. As is so typical of liberals...they want to prosecute terrorists like they just your average lawbreakers. Which means access to our same rights and our legal system. With motions and continuances and every delay tactic available to a citizen. Oh and Miranda rights! Yeah, good for Graham, he finally got it right without reaching around or reaching across or whatever you Bi-partisan types call it. And your boy Holder looks like more of an ass than he already did. That's a two-fer!

Look for an increase in the number of enemy fatalities on the battlefield. If the soldiers have to start reading the Miranda cards to everybody they capture, and know that these goons might be shipped stateside for trial in civilian court, then many times the only way to deal with the bad guys will be to have them die in combat.

Page 182 of the senate bill has a provision for states to opt out of the "community health insurance" option.

What I haven't found is a provision for residents of a state that would exercise their opt out option, to be exempt from paying taxes to fund the public healthcare plan.

Does this suggest that your state could opt out of public insurance but the citizens of that state will still have to pay into it for those states that are in the program?

You can give more of your yearly income to the government, to provide government managed healthcare to you and everybody else.

Or, you can give more of your yearly income to the government, to provide government managed healthcare to everybody else!

Either way, the government's real plan is to get a bigger slice of your American pie!

Companies too big to fail were bailed out by the government (eventually to be laid at the feet of taxpayers). We are now living on borrowed money.

Is America too big to fail? Who will bail us out? China is complaining about our spending, they are dumping American dollars for gold, silver, copper even aluminum.

Who's left?

I hate to say unkind things, I try not to but I just have to ask Fred to just not vote at all, not even for dog catcher.

AG Holder has a degree for one reason. HE IS A BLACK MAN WHO GAMED THE SYSTEM. He used affirmative action and his black skin to get his degree and I would bet that every time he got a bad grade he cried about being a black victim in a white man's world.

From a lot of the gestures, it appears that he cannot tell the truth. So, we have a dishonest stupid black man who uses EEO and Affirmative Action to get ahead and now our country will pay dearly for it. If that is the caliber of idiot that will be prosecuting KSM then we are all:

President C3PO -- "We're doomed"

Obamadingdong gets it wrong--again. By "criminalizing" the war, he hints that all battlefield captures will henceforth require to be read their Miranda rights and tried in civilian courts. This is wrong.

What happens if we capture an entire brigade of Al-Quaida? This national lampoon caricature of a president needs to step down and let a sensible person run national security. What a joke.

Compared to TARP, everything else pails in comparison, includin the proposed $900 billion ten year health care cost.
By Frank Sanders

You are only considering the start up costs for that health care bill, which is probably incorrect anyway. Once in place it don't go away (yes bad grammar for emphasis). And more likely, the actual start up costs will be much higher, just like every other government plan.

Let's discuss the 9-11 billion "IN CASH" that was sent to Iraq by Sky-King Bush, and can't be accounted for! I'm talking about "9-11 BILLION IN CASH LOST" by an inept,criminal, administration, who the vast majority who blog and read here look upon as a Godly and righteous one!
So let's hear your excuses, I'm sure you've got em!
Mr."I always worked two or three jobs a day, till I got this one," for someone who is constantly criticizing the American people for their lack of good working habits,the Whine-Master takes more days off than Congress does!

Where is the investigation into bailout money that was "sent" to districts that don't exist? In the private sector this is called embezzlement and is prosecuted. I'm disgusted by the elitists (from both parties) who think that, once elected, they can do as they please.

how about $2.3 Trillion missing? oh, never mind, they went missing from the defense department. if you say anything bad about them, you're un-american, our worse, you're a LIBERAL!!!!


http://www.blog2.tshirt-doctor.com/?p=1579

Sen. Grahamnesty handed the Atty. Gen. Holder's head to him in this exchange. Graham is correct in this exchange. If the policy changes to start trying enemy combatants in civilian courts as Atty. Gen. Holder wants to do, National Security will be weakened. So, as a liberty loving individual, I should and am thinking of how best to provide for the defense of my family and me.

"Jamie Dupree enlightened us yesterday about this exchange between ethically-challenged attorney general Eric Holder and South Carolina Republican Senator Lindsey Graham."

I find it interesting that the conservatives are promoting this action by graham when less than a week ago they were slamming Graham as a "RINO".

Sounds like conservatives fit the classic description of "fair weather friends"

Pre-trial hearing:

Prosecution: submit as evidence ...
Defense: move to exclude. Client was not granted rights guaranteed under Miranda.
Judge: evidence excluded.
Prosecution: move to drop all charges.
Judge: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, you're free to go.
Defense: file civil complaint for unjust incarceration, waterboarding, etc.

Ah, sh ... oot!

He's an enemy combatant caught in an act of war. Entitled to nothing more than 200 grains of lead - preferably coated in lard - delivered at 3,100 feet per second.

I've voted Republican all my life, But I will never vote for another one again. "Am I now or have I ever been a Democrat? H3ll no. Did I vote for Bush? Twice? Yes. Will I ever vote another GOP back into any office from President down to Dog Catcher? Seriously doubt it."

Funny how the libtard trolls go out of their way to say they are not one. Maybe Ill mispell another to get her upset. LOL