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PAY AS YOU FIGHT

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Neal Boortz
@ November 25, 2009 8:18 AM
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Barack Obama has apparently settled on a plan for Afghanistan, but he isn't going to tell us his plan until after Thanksgiving. All he can tell us is that we are going to "finish the job." Some officials believe that Obama will send somewhere in the ballpark of 34,000 additional troops to Afghanistan.

Now that he has waited almost 90 days to make this decision, the Congress gets to figure out how to pay for it. Their solution is to "pay as you fight." And when they say "pay," they are talking about you, the taxpayers.

The other day I told you about an idea of a surtax on the wealthy and corporations to pay for the war in Afghanistan. Well the idea is rapidly gaining support. The House's top tax writer, Charlie Rangel, is supporting the idea along with chairman of the Democrat party caucus, Rep. John Larson.

It is being called the "Share the Sacrifice Act." The bill will supposedly exempt anyone who has served in Iraq or Afghanistan since 2001. But, according to Politico, "middle-class households earning between $30,000 and $150,000 would be asked to pay 1% on top of their tax liability today -- a more sweeping approach than many Democrats have been willing to embrace." Wait, that doesn't sound like the evil rich? You are right. The House version of this bill would go even further than the proposed idea by Senator Carl Levin to levy an additional tax on the evil, filthy rich. Don't worry ... they will be paying even more than 1%, depending on how much money the Democrats need. But it is said that the amount could add up to as high as 10% in addition to all the taxes the evil rich currently pay.

Wait! I have a question! Many of the people who earn between $30,000 and $150,000 don't actually pay federal income taxes? After you get through with all the deductions and "refundable" tax credits their tax liability is pretty much zero. I would guess that means they won't be sharing the sacrifice all that much, will they?

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  • I guess those of us who served earlier don't count, either. . .
    . . .like the sacrifices we made when my generation fought the FIRST Gulf War. . .or my father's fought Vietnam. Nice. . .
  • Neal, Do Your Homework!
    I resent the fact you believe that anyone who makes between $30,000 and $150,000 receive their taxes paid in back and therefore pay virtually zero in taxes. My wife and I make less than $100,000 but have had to pay in more than 10 percent of our income. Even after all the gimmicks, we still have to pay and I know the exact amount... Now, let me get back to finish reading "Atlas Shrugged" and you do a little more research so I don't have to comment...
  • "Share the Sacrifice"
    Funny how muslims terrorists don't have any problem getting funds and support from Islamic nation-states across the Middle East, or for that matter cheerleading from such fine publications like the New York Times.
    The military budget takes up only about 20% of the national budget; a drop in the ocean. 80% of domestic spending goes to social security, welfare, retirement benefits, and infrastructure.
    Tax increases wouldn't be "necessary" were it not for pork-barrel spending, bailouts, and "stimulus" orgies.

    The only ones not sharing in any sacrifice are Obama and his crapweasel friends in Congress and Senate.
  • Why is it that dummycrats call it a tax when it comes to military and our nation....But it's a fee and fines for welfare redistribution plans??????
    Anybody......anybody......anybody.
    Retorical of course. The propoganda message it out.
  • C wrang
    Yeah...so a guy who doens't pay his taxes as he should is trying to propose that wealthy(besides him, of course...)Americans should pick up the tab for combat operations? What does he smoke when he's lounging around in the hot tub?
  • @ Steve A.
    Steve,
    Give the report on those soldiers a read. They weren't court-martialed because they struck a prisoner, or because they did their job... they are being reprimanded because they lied in depositions to their superiors; something which I understand is dishonorable and is not what our military represents. Besides, Obama had NOTHING to do with the court-martial process for these guys. Please lay the blame at the feet of those idiots that decided to lie to their superiors.

    There is such thing as an Honor Code within the military, its best-known example being the West Point Cadet Honor Code: "A cadet will not lie, cheat, or steal, or tolerate those who do." This represents one of the core military standards, and it is a standard which these soldiers violated.

    Lying to superiors not only jeopardizes the integrity of facts and the record of history, but it also has longer-reaching implications which could potentially endanger the lives of other soldiers. There is nothing good that can come from lying, especially in the military.
  • @joyce
    Joyce,
    You're right, can't argue with you on scores of private schools. BUT - private schools are businesses, they're incented to perform well, or they lose their customers. Public schools employ teachers usually from the same local population whose children they are teaching. So, in my mind, the public school system is a means through which a local population, on a small scale, is able to educate itself. If educators fail to educate, it is the responsibility of the parents to go to the principal, or school board, or superintendent and request that alternate action be taken. The issue with public schools is not the teachers, or the funding, or the tests or curriculum, it is the parents that treat this resource (which could be a tremendous asset to our nation if executed properly) as a glorified daycare system. Our public schools are what they are because of our culture - parents refuse to take responsibility for the quality of their child's education.

    We see lots of bashing of the public school system from the right, yet we have one of this highest literacy rates in the world. Yes, there are other nations which out-score ours, like Japan, but that is, in my opinion, cultural. Children are raised by their parents to value education. Our parents don't instill those values in their children (collectively), and instead just get their children off to school and out of their hair for 7 hours of the day.
  • Wolf/Dolan/Fantana/Optimus/Moron
    Don't you ever get tired of coming on here and publicly displaying your stupidity in front of everyone? I'm not talking ignorance here... ignorance can be overcome; stupidity is forever.
  • Why is it that dummycrats call this a war tax...but mandated fines and fees in every sector of our lives is not called taxes? I was being sarcastic!!!!
  • Those lines in the sand...
    ...keep getting closer and closer.
  • Tom Kratman had it right....
    As far as more taxes go...I am about done with being hosed by the left and the right. Seriously, anyone here who looks at the year end tax return and says, I paid XXXX is myopic. Start adding it all up:
    Gas taxes, drivers license, car registration, property taxes, line surcharges, phone surcharges...etc etc.. You'll quickly see that you dump half of your income. For those of you in the 30-150k income group, you definitely lose at least that much. I know end of year, state, local and fed took 23% of what is mine. Then, another $2k in property taxes, and then whatever else on top of it. I am so sick and damn tired of all of it.

    Out of curiousity, does our esteemed legislature excempt themselves from these tax increases? All of these fools make a fortune for doing absolutely nothing. They must do this..As we all know they would never want to negatively affect personal income.

    Pull them all out, start drilling here. Next group of nut cases that thinks it is good to attack America, we just irradiate them. See how they like that.
  • pay 1% on top of their tax liability today
    Oh well, we are now also paying income tax on the tax we were taxed on SS tax as we paid tax on our taxes for 40 plus years.
  • Forrest
    Please don't talk about private schools or home schools when the data is out there that they generally score higher than government schools. I wish we could have more similar schools WITHOUT all the religious crap though. Oops sorry.
  • Taxes on the "rich"
    In some parts of the WORLD $30k is astronomical. Isn't the big BO going meet with WORLD leaders about global warming.
  • lack of leadership
    Our pathetic commander in chief has trouble with whether to support our guys in the field, BUT MOVES LIKE LIGHTNING IN DECIDING TO LET OUR NAVY SEALS BE COURT-MARTIALED FOR DOING THEIR JOB! Prezbo is a weak president and our troops (and ultimately all of us) are gonna pay for his misplaced loyalties.
  • Hey Butt
    ....and I was wondering if I was the only one thinking that....
  • Missed again Neal
    I gross about 55K a year. After deductions the fed gov kept about 6k.
    Will you please call them and tell them to send it back to me?
  • @Libhater
    I attended both during my time. What are you bringing to the table this morning?

    BTW - private school isn't all its cracked up to be, unless you believe in intelligent design or the Rapture. Of my public school attendance, I was in one of the top districts in my state. I know the prevailing wisdom is that public schools are where all the poor minorities go to learn how to score welfare, but my district was that of a small 98% white (literally, according to the census) district which was well-funded in science, math, music, the arts, and the internet. Computers were readily available even before the local libraries had internet access. The history and government classes were not left-leaning, in fact I had a history teacher who was an avid supporter of Dole back in the day, and he made that opinion known in the classroom with no adverse effects to his career. Yes, I went to a public school, but it was wrapped quite snugly in the Bible belt, deep in the heart of east Texas, which isn't exactly what you'd call 'Obama country.'

    Where were you educated? Were you fortunate enough to be born into a family that could afford to pay for private schooling?
  • I don't pay federal taxes?
    Neal, get with the program here. I'm a single gal, earning between 30-150K. I PAY federal taxes. I don't have any rug rats to write off, I didn't take taxpayers money for a clunker exchange and I don't even itemize my charitable contributions. I pay taxes Neal.
  • Tired is correct
    Pull the plug on all the entitlement programs, stimulus waste, pork, stupid research grants, "loans" to enemies for research and exploration, gifts to foreign governments for whatever reason and money "sent" to bogus districts.....it's all blown, wasted, squandered and stolen tax dollars and now the government wants more to pay for a war that must be won.
    Sounds a bit like the welfare crowd that bitches and moans that they don't get enough money to pay for their drugs, booze,tobacco, SUV payment, wide screen HDTV, blackberry, gold teeth, gold jewelry, manicures and McDonalds after the rent, utilities and groceries that are provided courtesy of the robbed taxpayers.
  • Another lie via misdirection
    And the Imperil Federal Government will actually hold the revenue from the 1% tax in a “lock box” and provide an accounting of the money; any revenue remaining will be returned to the tax payers.

    Actually this is nothing more than a ploy to justify Obama breaking his impossible to keep promises not to raise taxes on the very people he suckered. This revenue will go to the general fund to make some failing government program look good on paper.
  • taxes
    This is ridiculous. I feel that I already pay my "fair share". The problem is Congress cant figure out how to manage OUR money effectively.

    I support our military, but what I dont support is the runaway spending of my money.
  • but also had the price of gas raised
    I am sure you have proof of this helicoptering with wolves
  • Grrrrrrrrrrr....
    First of all, Dennis is probably correct. I can see every public servant saying "Wait a minute, why do I have to pay an extra 1%, I've served my country." Anything can be stretched into absurdity.

    Taxing the $30K-somethings earners will not bode well with conservatives or liberals.

    They will have to reinstitute debtors' prisons.
  • he should be careful..........very careful........
    I am willing to bet that there is at least three sharp shooters or snipers out there that are getting real pissed off at the presidunce becuz of his "DITHERING".........

    I will also bet that his "protection detail" is really sweatin' whenever he is exposed.......would you want their job.......not on'y NO butt HELL NO!!!
  • “Obama will be more fiscally responbsible than Bush who..... spent billions of dollars” Yes, Obowma is only destroying the economy by seizing and wasting TRILLIONS of Dollars.
    So reaming the Producers and achievers of TRILLIONS of Dollars is better than spending billions to defend the country?

    Yeah, Right!


    Sorry, if I let that hanging curve ball go by I would have injured something.
  • Out of touch or Alzheimers?
    Guess what Neal, we made about $150,000 last year. Even with stock losses to carryover and maxing out other deductions, we paid about $30000 in federal, self employment, medicare, and social security taxes.

    Get your facts straight or retire if you can't be bothered to be accurate. Yes, someone making $30K pays very little in fed income taxes. But around $50K a family starts getting hit rather hard. And everybody pays the other payroll taxes. Nearly half of every dollar I earn in my business I don't get to keep (federal 25%, state 7%, self employment tax 15.4%) and I don't earn anything close to $150K most years. Of course to you I suppose $150K is a rounding error.
  • Households earning between $30,000 and $150,000 would be asked to pay 1% on top of their tax liability today.
    So just for the record – Obowma pretty much LIED, when he said that no one under 250,000 would pay more in taxes or something.

    Again, that's another big old fashioned LIE from Barry the Bower, as if we needed to see any other of his LIES.

    Question: Since it's been much proven that Ol' Bowing Barry is a consummate LIER, can we really trust anything the Bowing Community organizer says from now on?
  • Tax For War
    Um, the federal government already has a tax-fund-for-war program. It's called THE INCOME TAX.
  • mattisben
    and happy thanksgiving to you!

    and happy thanksgiving to all here!!

    and think of our troops in war zones!

    :O)
  • Forrest
    I have a question for you, Forrest. Did you go to a government educated school or a private one? I need to know what premise we're working on here before I respond.
  • mattisben
    i'm all for that if we take away the corporate welfare payments GE is receiving. also Lockheed, last made headlines when it prevailed on the Pentagon to give it $855 million in taxpayer money to pay for a recent series of mergers that sent its stock price soaring.

    but if you want to get the poor back on their feet, you'll want to rewrite your tax codes. to get the poor people off the food stamps, they need $30 a hour jobs to make up for what the governments been paying them. that's because taxes will eat most of it.
  • Paying Taxes
    Sorry Neal, but my husband and I are both self employed and make in the neighborhood of 100K combined. We are buying our home and have two kids and we still pay taxes, in the neighborhood of 20% (don't get me started on the unemployment taxes my husband has to pay since he's incorporated, but can't collect on since he's his only employee). Maybe we should get a new accountant to help us figure out how to game the system?

    When it comes to limited government, we're 100% with you, but when you start lumping us in with the moochers, I've got to call you out.
  • @JH - why don't you support our troops? lol
    You dont want to fund the war, cool. So you're either pro-inflation through deficit spending and debt accumulation which our grandchildren have to pay off, OR, you dont want our troops to have all the support they need for victory Come on, we're almost there! We knew it would be more than 8 years of war going in, hang on for a wild finale to the ride!

    So, which is it? Do you hate our troops, or our grandchildren. Man, you are a cold, cold human being. (snickers)
  • HAHAHA, love the Hypocrisy
    I love how now that a democrat is in the white house the conservatives are now crying about military spending. Hopefully Obama will be more fiscally responbsible than Bush who not only spent billions of dollars, but also had the price of gas raised. Not so smart
  • PORK
    Let's see......

    Pay for the war in Afghanistan......

    or

    Pass a bill with 8000 earmarks after promising to ban earmarks......

    What did the looters choose and the Obamateur sign?

    Earmarks and pork were more important after declaring to fight a new war in Afghanistan with a new strategy.

    No surprise there from a business as usual looter.
  • BTW, we should have taxed to pay for Iraq
    Having the Repubs running the show, paying for a war on deficit spending is the absolute antithesis of conservatism. Taxes absolutely should have been raised to pay for the war (and Medicare Part D), as was done during and after WWII, and the war and the debt of the war was paid off within a few short years. Funding the war by raising our national debt 2X is a very bad proposition, but... Bush's crew knew that they would not get public support for war if the public thought they had to pay for it. Now, China is nervous about the value of the Dollar, with good reason - we demonstrated for 8 years that we have no problem devaluing our own currency. (I am counting this year among those 8, because the first year of Bush's term we were still paying down the deficit. Then he got his way...)
  • doctor doctor
    How about cutting the handouts to the lazy bums using the EBT's. Don't give me that stuff about welfare queens being an urban myth. I have witnessed their parasitic activity. Oh, and have a nice Thanksgiving :).
  • 30-150k earners don't pay taxes?
    Ok, Neal, calling BS on this one. I know you love the "50% of working people don't pay taxes" line, but this is crap. I have made, at many stages during my young life between 1.5k and 80k in a year. I have always paid taxes, except for the first couple of years of employment when I was either a minor, or making less than about 7k. PLEASE, if you can tell me the name of your tax advisor so that I can find a way to get out of the 17% taxes paid (strictly income taxes, I'm not counting all other taxes paid) each year on my 70-80k income, I'd love to speak to them. Hell, you could write a book... who cares about the Fair Tax if you can get away with paying no taxes, right?

    I know of no loopholes/writeoffs for someone in my situation - I'm not a homeonwer, not married, no kids, no dependents, no debt, completely self-reliant ....isn't that a pretty good position to be in? I'm not a lowly poor person on welfare, I'm the chump paying the taxes that subsidize welfare, and on top of that, I get to subsidize the tax breaks that homeowners (like you) receive. Talk about redistribution of wealth...

    If you can't show me how to game the system, as you have apparently claimed is being done, shut up about people who make 150k not paying any taxes.

    Oh, and to stir the pot, I'm just going to throw this bone out here.... Maybe we don't tax those who are at the poverty level or under because we have a great many of those persons, and assessing taxes carries a bureaucratic cost which would exceed the return on investment of actually taxing those persons. For example, if it costs the IRS $1500.00 to collect $1350 in taxes from someone, would we not be better off letting that person retain their income? I freely admit that I have no facts to support(or refute) this, it is only a theory, but thought it would be interesting to see what others think...
  • IRAQ/AFGHANISTAN Surtax
    I wonder... does a visit to Iraq or Afghanistan by a politician count as service in the AOR? I'll bet it will and they'll be exempt from any additional tax.
  • wait a minute here...
    i've heard you, neal, complaining that obama's "dithering" about sending an increase of troops to afghanistan. now you're complaining about taxes being raised to pay for it.

    i guess you want our grandchildren and our great-grandchildren to pay off it when they pay off these TARP loans and bailout loans.

    or is it that you want this perpetual war to go on, and that 1% tax would get people to think bad on the war?

    consistency is not one of you're fine points, neal. like claiming to be a libertarian that likes war and has a tax book out.
  • Troops
    I believe the original request was for over 100,000 troops. The "Apologist in Chief" then had them cut the request to 50,000 or so. Now...34,000. And the O is working with Taliban leaders to give them control of some areas of Iraq. Does Michelle wear a burkha in private?
  • Still in Iraq
    I thought I was supposed to be home by now. But I have to wait until the Hooters tour comes through on the 28th.
  • Read My Lips Part II
    Wait ... didn't Obama promise not to raise taxes on anyone who makes less than $250,000?? Political suicide at its best.
  • Pay as You Fight
    "...asked to pay 1%..."?

    Shouldn't that be "required to pay at the point of a gun held by a Federal official"? Cuz you damn good and well if "asked" to pay, nobody in their right mind would do it...
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