>>Boortz's ranting about health care makes it sound like America will become some kind of Kafkaesque hell that will spell the end of civilization as we know it.

I mean it: very descriptive of exactly what we can expect if Obama gets the $1.8 Trillion "Health Care" bill passed. However, the rush Nancy P is in suggests that she KNOWS this is now a dead issue, so she wants to put it out of its misery ASAP. Actually, that might be the brightest thing she's ever done.

And Obama's got another debt steroid called Cap'n Tax, which promises to be an even more nightmarish bill as it's basically an "if it moves, tax it" bill. Americans who aren't comatose tend to move a lot, even in their sleep. And think of all the things that move because Americans are, say, driving them, washing/drying clothes in them, even lighting a room with light bulbs that contain mercury, which goes to your brain and has a drunken brawl if you're exposed to it. (This is true of all fluorescent bulbs: take care.)

Break one? Hold your breath, open a window, and run away! Really. Pregnant moms? Just hold your breath and run away immediately...for the sake of your babies and *their* brains. Let your husband or boyfriend pull clean-up duty!

Our population would look like a bell curve if Obama prevails: the big hump in the middle would be those supported by other taxpayers, while the low and high extremes would be the rich and the middle class (or "the hurtin'" group, instead of middle class). Imagine the "storm the castle" scene in the old Boris Karloff version of Frankenstein. This is why you should arm yourself NOW.

How about a pro-choice stand for taxes? If liberals want to raise taxes, let people have a choice of whether to pay more or keep them the same (which would mean allowing the built-in tax increase when Bush's tax cuts expire to stay where they are; even better: cut taxes more and collect more tax revenue). When W cut taxes, libs didn't keep giving the old, higher rate, did they? Of course not! The evil rich added $200 billion EXTRA (more than before) in tax revenues over the next two years, making history. Bad, bad ol' rich people.

See ya at The Castle...if America doesn't wake up before next November.

"Yes the Canadian system is great (at least in Quebec). True, taxes are higher but Canadians or Canadian corporations do not have to pay private insurance policies. No one is ever denied coverage or left out in the cold if they lose their jobs. The words "pre-existing condition" are never used against you. Yes Canadians, like Americans do have to wait in the emergency room for a couple of hours sometimes. But if a Canadian needs a critical opeation (such as heart bypass surgery) it is usually scheduled for next day. And if an operation can't be done in Canada, the patient comes to the States, and Medicare covers the expenses. This is something the talk show hosts tend to omit. Much of my family lives in Canada, and I ask them if they would like to trade their health care system (and taxes) with the American system. Not one ever saye "yes"."

Jack Smythe:

"No one is ever denied coverage or left out in the cold if they lose their jobs."

Not here either, anyone can walk into any hospital and get treatment.

Jack Smythe:

"Much of my family lives in Canada, and I ask them if they would like to trade their health care system (and taxes) with the American system. Not one ever saye "yes"."

Why would the majority of people want to trade it? The minority of people are footing the bill for them!


Jack Smythe:

"And even though I am fortunate and have a great health care policy, I still fear doctor visits. 90% of the time the doctors or hospital charge more than what insurance covers and I get a bill."

God forbid you should have to pay for some of your healthcare. Let me tell you, it doesn't take much courage for a group of individuals to ask a government to use their police powers to do for them what they should be doing for themselves. Shame on you.

Jack Smythe:

And if an operation can't be done in Canada, the patient comes to the States, and Medicare covers the expenses.

I think that says it all. On behlf of the people who actually pay taxes in the US, your welcome.

At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.

Abraham Lincoln - 1838

HELL YEA!!!!!!!!! She has hit it right on.

Who knows, maybe you'll even join the rest of us enlighted folks who favor a single-payer system. Though I somehow doubt it.
By TruthSeeker

"enlighted"??????

ROFLMAO

And thanks for proving how dumb you really are. You totally skipped over the other link that showed how bad that study was. The pbs link was so you could verify for yourself that very important questions were NOT asked.

Pick & choose, that's what you are about. Again I say 45,000 dead from lack of insurance is a lie.

I suggest you print out the list from the junkscience site, then watch the pbs again.

She is a "regular" on a local talk show in Raleigh. She always makes sense when speaking of the issue of the day. She seems to represent what most people consider "common sense".

Jenny - She was making a point. Deal with it.

To the other posters who love the socialized health system - As other people have rightly said, those countries can afford to live like children when the adults foot the bill militarily. This reform will bankrupt us.

You're right about Health care needing reform. .... But not in the manner that you think. The problem is that the intervention in terms of government mandated coverages caused the problems that we have.

These boondoggles of a bill in the Federal Legislature are not the solution but will cause a greater problem with unintended consequences.

If you want to resolve health care, get government out of it.... unless you like DMV style service for your healthcare.

If government health care passes, and the bills in the houses of congress are government health care bills, then planet hospital here I come when I need serious medical attention.

Joyce -- Thanks for the link to the pbs report on health insurance. It proved my point far better than I could.

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/05222009/profile2.html.

Now, I would suggest that you actually watch the video. You might learn something.

Who knows, maybe you'll even join the rest of us enlighted folks who favor a single-payer system. Though I somehow doubt it.

I fear for my children who will suffer the first ravages & my Grandson`s who will bear the full weight for the sins of my Generation. I wish for some great patriot to appear & put thing`s in proper order.........Sadly , what was & still is the grandeur of the United States was built with the blood,sweat & labor of a people who understood freedom ,individuality & the need to always be wary of a central government & to trust only in their own effort`s.These people are gone, what remains is an entitlement class doomed to fail & lose all they were entrusted with.

whether or not you believe the bill is more dangerous than terrorists doesn't matter. Listen to the words she is reading straight from the bill. Doesn't that scare you? Is that really the change you seek?

CDC Statistics

Number of deaths: 2,426,264
Death rate: 810.4 deaths per 100,000 population
Life expectancy: 77. 7years
Infant Mortality rate: 6.69 deaths per 1,000 live births

Heart disease: 631,636
Cancer: 559,888
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 137,119
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 124,583
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 121,599
Diabetes: 72,449
Alzheimer's disease: 72,432
Influenza and Pneumonia: 56,326
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 45,344
Septicemia: 34,234

So I guess 45000 unidentified deaths (as Terry G stated..illegals) is pretty good number really.
45k is a small percentage really..
Sadly, the cure for "death by lack of Insurance" is more easily curable with a perscription of employment.. than say..

Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis

I believe that there is no one on this board or any other board that does not agree that the US Health Care System needs help. I have a good Health Care Plan from my company and I am still not 100% happy with it. The point is, it needs help. The issue here is that the Government wants to pass laws to reform it by spending Billions, no Trillions of tax payers dollars with out understanding the issue. The Health care system is too big to be fixed in one shot.

I am an engineer, so I look at things differently then most people. When a system that I work on have issues, I dig deep to find the ROOT cause and fix that. I would like to see congress step back, take a breath. Do an in dept study to identify the issues? Then sit down and break those issue up over 4 or 5 years and do it a little at a time.

First thing they should do is fix the leaks in Medicare – 60 billion a year lost is crazy. Then they need to cap trial lawyers, this will help to reduce the cost of insurance. Next open up state lines to get more competition, then look at what is the Government doing to run cost up. Then they can move on from there.

WOW… really, 45,000??? Hmmm,
let’s see, if Mr. X is asked over 5 years ago, do you have health insurance, he answers “no I don’t”, 3 months later he buys health insurance, then dies 3 years later. The people doing the research don’t check if Mr. X has insurance, they go by the info they compiled years earlier. Also if someone dies on the scene of a car accident and they don’t have health insurance, they are also counted, plus they count illegal immigrants in the country who don’t die of illness or natural causes. So no I don’t accept their research, it is flawed. Just because a leftist school puts out a report, doesn’t make it honest and factual. You should find the back story to how these numbers are published and don’t always take things as face value, this is what sheep do.

Extremely F!@%ing well said Terry G.

That's silly. The Healthcare bill is certainly dangerous in it's own way, but the healthcare bill won't result in large swaths of irradiated and incinerated parts of our country if it's passed. That's what Islamic terrorists want. What Pelosi wants will impact our economy and our rights. They are both very dangerous, but not really comparable.

Virginia Foxx
Let me say this I am a conservative that does not support "socialized medicine" in any form and I live in Mount Airy, part of Ms. Foxx's district.

That being said, I feel everyone should know that not all the people in the 5th district of North Carolina are not as nuts as Ms. Foxx. To say "health care reform is scarier than terrorists" tells us in the 5th district that it is time to vote Ms. Foxx out of office. That woman is out of her mind!!

Let's hope that Ms. Foxx does not run again next year, or if she does she is defeated in the primary. If that crazy woman runs again so help me GOD I'll vote for a Democrat for the first time in my life. Even if they support a Canadian style health care program. Let's get Virginia Foxx out of Congress. SHE IS SCARIER THAN TERRORISTS.
By Sarah

Foxx is right, you are wrong! I don't know how Foxx has been other than this one issue, but geez, don't you see the long term damage that healthcare is going to cause?

Didn't we just hear from their politicians and their President of the Canadian Medical Association that their system is about to implode?
Google Canadian Healthcare and implode
You will hear it quite often.

There have been issues with the way infant deaths are counted in different nations. Some don't count the stillborns, we do.

Also, as bad as it is to be poor, the poor in the US have it so much better than the poor in any other country. Maybe our rich are just that much richer that there appears to be more disparity. The poor, middle income and rich here ought to see what poor really is, go visit around the world!

Let me say this I am a conservative that does not support "socialized medicine" in any form and I live in Mount Airy, part of Ms. Foxx's district.

That being said, I feel everyone should know that not all the people in the 5th district of North Carolina are not as nuts as Ms. Foxx. To say "health care reform is scarier than terrorists" tells us in the 5th district that it is time to vote Ms. Foxx out of office. That woman is out of her mind!!

Let's hope that Ms. Foxx does not run again next year, or if she does she is defeated in the primary. If that crazy woman runs again so help me GOD I'll vote for a Democrat for the first time in my life. Even if they support a Canadian style health care program. Let's get Virginia Foxx out of Congress. SHE IS SCARIER THAN TERRORISTS.

I don't think there is any perfect health care system. However, what I do NOT see is any big movement in Canada calling for a "U.S.-like system."

Uh, yes there is a call for allowing privatization of more of their healthcare.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread492631/pg1

Google it, you'll find quite a few if you don't like this source.

I agree with the Canadian posters below. I, too, have many friends in Canada and Europe. While they might have some complaints about their health care, in general they are far more satisfied with their health care system than ours.

Even in European countries that are supposedly turning more conservative (such as France, UK), you never hear any politician seeking to dismantle their health care systems and replace them with a US style system. That should tell you that all the complaints the right-wingers make about Canadian-style health care are either exaggerations or out-and-out lies.

Sure, there will always be some problems and even some genuine horror stories. But nothing like we have in our system here.

Good point. It should be obvious by now what is going on here. I cannot believe there are still people that don't realize that this is all about creating a panic and taking people's freedom. It should be obvious by now that this has all been a planned effort by both political parties to usher in global governance under a New World Order. They OPENLY say this. OPENLY. Just google search it. It is literally everywhere and yet I am a conspiracy theorist or a racist or whatever they are calling patriots today for talking about it. I literally have people laugh in my face like it is some kind of joke. People...they are literally saying that global government is good and that you should spy on your neighbors. They are telling you that if you believe in the Constitution of the US you are a domestic terrorist. We are allowing them to literally destroy our way of life. This is really happening. They openly admit they are sterilizing us and practicing agressive eugenics techniques on us.

I have heard loud and clear the complaints about the Canadian system. After all, everybody on conservative chat boards seems to have a "Canadian friend" with some tragic health story; I actually have a coworker based in my company's Toronto office whose mother has a lot of medical issues and seems to be getting all the treatment needed.

I don't think there is any perfect health care system. However, what I do NOT see is any big movement in Canada calling for a "U.S.-like system."

Are any Canadian political candidates making an "American-style health care system" part of their platform?

The fact that the answer to this question is "no" tells me that Canadians prefer their system, despite its weaknesses. And it is pure hyperbole to suggest that the Canadian system is "terrorist".

And the best solution to your health care is to exercise, eat smartly, and stay off the drugs and booze.

The fear is based on how expansive the GOVERNMENT'S intervention and interpretation of what effects individual health.
What constitutes a danger to your health beyond the obvious? Such as the type of vehicle you drive; the distance you drive; mass transit commute; work enviroment; do you have or mow a lawn; your use of HBA products; the age of your appliances, HVAC, autos, etc.; Your Genetic Markers & Propensity for Illness... the intrusion into private lives would be unfettered- and so would the growth of gov't bureaucracy and subsequent expense.

FOX may be raw, but this summer she was the singular congressional voice warning the votes to defund ACORN were only a temporary measure to appease public concern... a publicity stunt.

what gets me is that if the democrats wouldn't have taken the health care reform issue, we wouldn't have this fear of losing our freedom and liberties. even though the government has been eroding our freedom and liberties non-stop for decades. you would go on and lead your life unconcerned with the government eroding your rights.

that gets me to feeling that you'd been played

It's too bad Obama wasn't the CIC during 9/11 (the guy who invaded Iraq). If so, liberal advocacy groups would be rallying against Muslim extremism, including condemning their hatred of Jews and women. The lesbos from NOW would be barking/foaming at the mouth, while the rest of the liberal sheep would proclaim Ahmadinejad to be the next Hitler, rather than dismissing him as some random weirdo who deserves nuclear energy.

Timing is everything.

The better question to ask is what do you have against freedom and the individual? Why do you have such contempt for freedom?

The US would be cleaner, healthier, happier, and less crime ridden if we could get rid of all the human garbage that drags our systems down. I wonder how well europe would do if we gave them our parasite class? Until that time don't count on us improving one iota.

45,000 Americans die every year from lack of health insurance.

3,000 Americans died in 911.

I guess Ms Foxx and Mr. Boortz believe more Americans should die from lack of health insurance. Better than giving the Democrats a victory.

Let's see:
Threatens our American way of life
Moves to overthrow our current government through controls
Threatens the health and well being of our U.S. citizens
Completely against our Constitution

I'm sorry..I'm having trouble seeing this...
How are they different?

She's a Foxx all right!

Although the standard of living in those other countries may appear tolerable, they've also learned to tolerate a static 15 percent unemployment rate AND depend on - guess who? - the USA for their defense. Not one of these modern social-democratic countries can defend itself; they all rely on our willingness to face down the bad guys. Just look at the number of our troops in any given skirmish versus what the others "allies" are able to scrounge up. Do you want to trade visits to the doctor of your choice for one supplied by the government, 15 percent unemployment, and no credible national defense? Not me.

She's got a point.

And ha ha only a slobbering moron like Brian Fantana could not see the destructive potential in this so-called healthcare "reform."

Why do conservatives hate America? Hell, this buffoon doesn't even know what America is supposed to be.

The Congresswoman is absolutely right on the money. I'll take my freedom any day over being ruled under tyranny. Patrick Henry said said best, "I know not what course others may take, but as fo me, give me liberty or give me death"!

That the whole WMD's (weapons of mass distration) nonsense was simply a decoy. The whole war on terror is to take Patriots' eye off the ball while the government promotes fear, manufactures crisis with the ultimate end goal of government expansion. Ladies and Gents the war is against you and the constitution. Pure and simple.....and Neal and Virginia Foxx are displaying this very clearly.

That's where you're wrong Brian, and it proves your liberal idealogy... Conservatives don't hate America, they hate the over-sized, over-bearing government. And only a liberal would equate the Government with America itself. Conservatives love America, that's why they hate the liberal (and some Republican) push to expand the already over-sized government!

I go to Appalachian State and for the time I was living on campus she was my representative.

The kids at my college campus HATE her, there are endless editorials and letters to the editor in our school paper saying what a horrible person she is. And I bet this statement will lead to more of the same.

Good for her though, she has guts to stand up to the smelly hippies on my campus.

only a crybaby conservative would think that healthcare would harm people like a terrorist would. So delusional. Why do conservatives hate America?

This is some sort of REVELATION? Of course the government seizure of the healthcare industry is more of a threat than terrorists. No question.