Keith, your 15 mins of fame are up.. STFU already, will ya? Take you 17 viewers and go home - or have a GLBT party with Rachel Madcow.

"@ Joyce
I don't like to hear people argue, I like a debate. If I wanted to hear people argue I'd move back in with my parents (even the Fed couldn’t print enough money to have me do that)."

LOL, that was funny!!!

Anyway, no an argument is not fun, but you ask like Fox is the only one doing that. Have you TRIED to follow a "discussion" anyone has with Olbie? He argues with his own people!!! Bill Maher has been yelling for years (but he's not news is he?) they ALL do it. Not just Fox!

Looks more like number two to me.

when i become unsure of my conservative views, i go to msnbc for a good dose (5 min. max) of what i don't want. Obe always sends me back to the right. And yes Obe, you are being laughed at, alot.

Forgot the Brian Williams link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLYtHHxTTmc

probably too late to make it in today

a foul wind doth blow...

hell........ who farted??????

HA! That's my laugh for the day.

Honestly!
How can a remotely intelligent person not see this act of desperation & cowardice.
It is now and has been a 7 to 1 contest for Fox News for several years now.
ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, HLN, CNBC, MSNBC Plus print media and the ever so relevant Entertainment industry.
7 to 1 and you think you have an issue to complain!
Cowardice and Jealousy is not the way to validate a position and a philosophy.
What we have developing here are clear and precise lines of being.
Between what can best be defined as
Americans & Americant`s!

The GOP is no longer a worthy target, so they move down the priority list. Fox isn’t in lockstep with the dp like everybody else. They aren’t world citizens properly ashamed of their nation and in thrall of hussein and socialism.

Their news stands out simply because they don’t always accept the dp narrative unquestioningly, and they don’t always leave out the obvious stories and parts of stories the lockstep channels do. I see a lot of room for improvement, and think FoxNews’ dominance is more about how lame and biased the rest are.

Notice comrade axlerod is dp political advisor talking to former dp political advisor George S., who’s now working for a station that is getting creamed by FoxN in the ratings in all evening time slots. Notice also comrade axlerod doesn’t give one single example to back up his accusation, and George is considerate enough not to ask.

Lol, olbie is getting all happy because without Fox, he wouldn’t be third, behind O’Reilly and O’Reilly (because O’Reilly laps him, lol) Unlike O’Reilly, who knows what he is, olbie is a news commentator that thinks he’s a news anchor (he probably barks at his reflection). Notice he defers to the dp narrative, if the dp WH says it, it must be true.

It’s not like Fox ran a fake story with fake documentation on hussein just before the election. Where is the precedent for hussein to demean the Office he holds by engaging in a petty war (while he ignores a real one, and real threats to the USA), with a news channel and specific news commentators and radio talk show hosts?

Sure the ‘respectable’ msm news is independent, like that guy said in the NN RAs yesterday, they just happen to agree with the dp on every issue, parrot the views of America’s enemies, and kiss every commie dictator’s *ss that comes down the pike. Independently in lockstep? Which came first, the dp’s crack or the msm’s nose? Hard to tell, they say they just woke up that way. Snug fit though.

What these political and media hacks don’t understand is they can ‘independently’ gang up and attack, boycott, and officially shun FoxNews, but for now, the viewers still decide credibility and where they get their news. It ain’t FoxNews that’s hurtin’ so bad with the public they can’t even reach the ballpark of their competition. This campaign will backfire on the dp/msm by highlighting their bias and propagandizing. It’s so obvious even dp supporters and people who don’t know what an unattributed opinion (which even the wire services are full of these days) is can see it.

The white house and the libs get all upset about fox being biased or having "perspective," when at the same time the All Barack Channel is having hour long infomercials about obamacare from the white house, and MSNBC is owned by GE(poised to make billions if certain legislation is passed--MSNBC has reported favorably for those issues) It's clear the left just cant handle having a station that doesn't want to suck up to them.

John Daily?

Do you ever feel like you are preaching to the choir or leading a horse to water? Ivan don't cha know. Some see the light others feel the fire. It's good for business that way.

Joyce, I love ya, really I do. And I enjoyed your 'kiss my grits' post yesterday :-)
Yes, I have a DVR - that’s how I manage to watch Beck. But DVR’ing the regular news is a waste of time and effort – it would yield 4 minutes of news and 56 minutes of Scooter Store, Bionic Hearing Aid and Goldline commercials.

You said in your last post...

"Maddow has someone of differing opinion on? That's news in itself. Of course she doesn't have to yell, she agrees with them all to some extent."

One of the great examples I was referring to is that of her interview with Bush administration official Tom Ridge. He most certainly has opinions differing from hers. She was courteous, pressing, and it was an overall great quality interview. She didn't shout over him, or cut him off, and he was a gracious guest. For your viewing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oykPN0bzu30


This is the style of commentary that I would like to see more of on Fox's commentary programming. Hannity and O’reilly shout over their guests and make the show entirely about how right the host is. It is narcissism on tap with those guys.

Greta doesn’t count as an opinion maker, she’s the Nancy Grace of Fox… “where’s Kaylee”, Natalie Holloway, Michael Jackson, Bristol Palin’s baby, cop shoots his wife, Paris Hilton and Britney Spears… TMZ stories… that’s what she does. She does the occasional good piece of investigative work, but those are sparrows in the hurricane of tabloid crap which she bases her career on.

MSNBC is number one because FoxNews is "not news". That makes as much sense as anything else I have heard from that moron's mouth. It is backed up by quotes from the White House, so it must be true. Olberman can't possibly have an agenda if he is accusing Fox of the same.

Jimmy D has awakened in a new persona today, but he still uses the same old shtick - "cry baby".

And where is Shrillary screaming about the right to dissent.

And MSNBC uses the liberal playbook for success...take out the opposition in some underhanded way, then declare yourself morally superior.

liberal = hypocrite

have other things to be concerned about???...
I heard he was going back on the campaign trail with Balloon Boy!!

And by the way, Rachel Maddow is about as cute as they come. I realize she bats for the other team, but she's better looking than the bubbleheads on the other channels.

try checking the "sent mail" folder... I'm sure they're in there

what a gaggle of dumbass dimwits.......ABC,NBC,CBS,MSNBC,CNN and many more......THEY LIE!!!!!!

you all are so uninformed......if you want real news just take the time and watch John Daily.......he'll give you all the news you NEED!

or you could just pay attention to me....you decide......

E.D. Hill apologized for the 'terrorist fist bump' comment, and I understand her motive for the poorly-worded lead-in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj8oIy6Crrs

....But do I really need to see a full body shot in a short skirt to get the straight facts? ...not complaining, it just doesn't look all that serious and professional... no desk, no notes, no nothing. Just a teleprompter and a stool. Maybe that is carryover from her VHI vee-jay days. So, this begs the question... Who is writing and approving what she is reading?

well snarky you may not be bright but your sure make up for it in sass. Ok I'll break it down for you... and read this s-l-o-w. Yesterday I pointed out that Fox news cited the ORIGINAL source of the information, you know the ones who actually were responsible for the quotes. I guess you'd be more satisfied if they cited 'he' in the 'he said she said' situation... but hey read what you want to read.

I, like most Americans, work during the day. When I get home at 6-6:30 Central, there is no "news" on, only opinion shows. That is as close to news as I, and the majority of the self-informing public, are able to get, aside from internet browsing during downtime on the job. I think that is where the primary complaint is coming from - no one watches the supposed unbiased news during the day). If you're looking at the programming on Fox that people actually watch, which is what the WH is doing, it is blatantly biased, yet even these opinion programs boast that they are "fair and balanced" when they are anything but. Bringing a liberal point of view on the show, then shouting over them and not letting them talk doesn’t give balance.

When someone says that Fox as a whole has a conservative bias, try looking at it from an executive level – someone at the top is saying “I’m going to manage a network, but I need prime-time message carriers. I know, I’ll pick the most conservative guys possible, then SAY we’re fair and balanced, and the stupid public will believe it. They’ll say things that cause controversy, and people will get stirred up and tune in to see what they say next. Ratings will go through the roof and I’ll make a ton of money! And while I’m at it, I want to hire Karl Rove as a key contributor, and the former Bush press secretary Dana Perino, and give Dick Cheney all the air time he’d like. I can do this and still be fair and balanced because I hired Dick Morris, who was an advisor to Clinton, but SURPRISE! he’s not a liberal! Now, if only we could find a liberal advisor to the Bush administration…. Oh, Colin Powell? He’s fake Republican, we need to make sure everyone knows how big a fool he is. Oh, and don’t even get me started on Scott McClellan… Hannity, go out there and destroy him.”

I sent an example of FOX bias whenever Neal would ask for one. This has been going on for years, so no, I'm sorry I don't specifically remember the content of an email sent 4 years ago, and since it was sent through the website, I don't have a record of it.

And Jeff, because I was able to find three examples while watching FOX only very sporadically, I can reason that it happens much more often than those three times. Logic - - see how that works?

By the way, I do think the reporting is biased, but I think it's WAY stupid for the administration to pick a fight with them over it.

I'm going to Sams Club today.How much does it cost to send a bulk package of Kleenex to DC and the non-Fox type news outlets? Bunch of crybabies. Instead of crying mommy and flying around the country raising money, how about focusing on THE ECONOMY?

By Neal posting this link today it looks like Keith Olbermann might have actually received double-digit viewership.

>>> calling the network "opinion journalism masquerading as news." The White House stopped providing guests to "Fox News Sunday" in August after host Chris Wallace fact-checked controversial assertions made by Tammy Duckworth <<<

By their own words it was FACTCHECKING Tammy Duckworth that got their panties in a bunch. How exactly is THAT opinion journalism? Bet you can't explain that without adding something else in, probably from BO's imagination.

She's horsefaced like Ingram and Coulter. I challenge you're definition of goddess.

Here's the thing, Beck, Hannity, Boortz and so on are ALL commentators. They comment on the news. Period. If they bring up something that others aren't though, they're in a strange spot.

The question shouldn't be is it news or commentarty, but is it truthful?

It's hard to argue against them when they show 5 minutes of a speech by Dunn. You can't say it was edited out of context then. You have someone like Dunn saying she admires a man who killed 70 million people. That's a fact. The commentary is that Beck doesn't think she should be employed by our government. He's got a point. How smart can you be or how respectful of the people you are hired to serve can you be if you believe that there's not a problem with killing tens of millions of people until you get the public response you get.

How can you argue against that?

Is it news? No. If ABC reported that Beck ran a story on Dunn, that would be news.

Is it commentary? Yes, but only after Beck and his team investigated the facts and put together this story.

Is it a lie? If you think so, prove it.

If you believe just because Dunn and Wallace had kids at the same school that Fox is trying to use this tape to destroy the Prez, what does that have to do with the core of the story? Dunn believes that Mao was a good man who should be admired and emulated... despite killing 70 million people.

Can you honestly justify it? If the source of this video was Wallace, who cares? Seriously. At least you know that he was there and he was a witness to it. He didn't make it up. You have the tape. The tape was legally recorded and I'm sure sold to all of the families who attended the graduation. It didn't have to be Wallace who provided the tape to Fox.

Would you still be saying the same thing if Wallace was out of the picture and the tape still surfaced?

Wallace is just the scapegoat.

Where is the integrity on the left when things like this come up? If you agree with what was said and thing there isn't a problem with it, why attack Fox? There isn't a point. If you know it's wrong, then why defend her by attacking the person who exposed her? Defend her by saying she's right. Can you do that?

Just because you don't like the style of Fox, is no reason to try and paint them as insane just like the administration is doing. Makes you look not so moderate. Maybe Lou Dobbs is more up your alley.

I have said on these forums many times that I do not personalyl care if fox news is biased or not. It is a provat ebusiness giving their audience what they want. It's a free country. All that said any notion that their bias does not permiate their "news" division is complete and utter BS. Neal wants examples...

Carl Cameron tells President Bush his family is campaigning all over the state for him. He also posts a blog questioning John Kerry's sexuality. He later says it wasn't meant to be published and that it was only somehting he did to send to other Fox staffers. Yea...sure thing Mr. Senior WHite House correspondent. No bias there.

Senior Correspondent Eric Shamn is hosting the news desk and has Liz Trotta on who jokes about assasinating Obama. Shawn's reply? Simple little chuckle and "Tell us how you really feel"

Republicans in trouble regularly identified as democrats.

Ensign affair sat on for weeks while they knew about it. The husband contacted them directly and still not a word until after everyoen else broke it and even then it was minimal.

Fox Producers whipping up the crowds for te party protests to shwo ont he news.

Terrorist fist jabs, madrassas, birth controversies, gay rumors, cocaine rumors all get reported as hard news.

Give it a rest Neal. Your double standard is always there but on this it is way out of whack. By the way when you and other conservatives speak of the liberal bias at other netowrks do you ever limit it to just the "hard news"? Sure thing.

Why in God's name must you post a link to Olbermann of all people?!?! I was enjoying my first cup of coffee, scrolling through the Nuz and *WHAM* there's that moronic mug on my screen. If my keyboard's fried, I'm sending you the bill!

I think what is behind this attack from WH is more arcane than the administration just not liking what they report. Political "Opinion" is what The "Fairness" Doctrine is going to go after and they are trying to pain the whole Fox News Network as Opinion so THEY can regulate it. Just give them time to set the stage. They can then take down Rush, Hannity, Beck, Levin AND Fox News! (IMHO)

Brian, we're not crying we're laughing! I think it's funny that the White House is in such a tizzy over Fox having such high ratings. Similar to how funny I think it is when the libs start foaming at the mouth at the mention of Sarah Palin or Glenn Beck. Silly liberals! You think if you can scare conservatives away by calling them bad names like a bunch of fifth graders.

Just because Fox refuses to carry Obama's water like the other cable news networks, the administration gets their collective boxers in a bunch.

Fox is a business, and they are providing programming that no other network seems willing to provide. What's wrong with that?

People who don't understand that Hannity and Beck are giving opinions and not straight news are too stupid to vote, just like people who can't figure out a butterfly ballot.

Again, I dare Obama and company to just take away their right to free speech. Watch what happens after they try a stunt like that.

The ratings, both on cable and radio, say it all. My guess is that those in White House are the same ones that were bullied their whole life and were always on a team that never won anything. Sadly, crybabies and liberals are of the same ilk.

to borrow a phrase from jimmy dolan/brian fontana.

To target one media group, along with targeting protestors and businesses that don't toe THEIR line, is just un-American. And stupid, cause it WILL backfire.

And how many watch the other channels for Grace, Behar, etc? My skin crawls just hearing Nancy Grace's voice. Lou Dobbs is ok sometimes. Anderson Cooper used to be better but he's reading someone else's script these days.

MSNBC #1? I've yet to know anyone that watches that. I only get videos and quotes from radio of that place. I guess Fox News didn't have enough commentators, ex-jock sniffers that got canned from ESPN, that didn't have a tingle down their bias legs.

Wow, way to compare Fox News to terrorists. That is perspective for ya!

Oh my bad, I did not mean to say that the station was biased with these shows when the station is called Fox NEWS!!! Conservatives are crybabies. Wah, they made fun of the tv station I watch, I am offended. The funny thing I have seen no proof that other stations are biased liberally. All I hear is that they dont report certain stories. Well, crybabies, that doesnt mean that CNN is biased, it means they only have a certain amount of time to report important stories and they do it for the MONEY, not for politics. I know crybaby consrvatives want the government to control the news, but that is just tough. Conservatives need to get tough. Stop crying if the news story you want is not reported. Learn to change the channel. And stop crying and act like you are offended because someone made fun of a boring news station anyways.

Sounds like Obama is nervous about Fox News! But the administration better be careful; the attacks could just backfire on them.

when they dusted President Obama's butt for lip prints, they didn't find any from the commentators or reporters at Fox. Now there!