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WARREN BUFFET ... CON ARTIST

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Neal Boortz
@ October 6, 2009 7:59 AM
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Here's where Buffet starts his con game. He once again touts this line about paying a lower tax rate than some of his company's employees. He actually believes that most Americans are stupid enough to fall for this fakery .. and unfortunately, he's right.

How easy it to expose Buffet's trickery here? This easy: Buffet's employees pay income taxes. Warren Buffet pays capital gains taxes. Capital gains tax rates are lower than income tax rates. Nice trick ... and he can only pull it off because of the economic ignorance of the American people and the willing compliance of the leftist media.



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  • Buffet
    All of Buffets assets should be seized.
  • Buffet is a hypocrite??
    Need some help with the tax code on this one. A few years ago, I thought Buffet claimed he was going to give most of his net worth to charity. Would he avoid the estate tax? If he likes all these great federal dependency programs, why doesn't he write checks to support them?
    Thank you Jon Miller. I totally agree with your post.

    Also, if you held Bershire Hathaway stock over the past 10 years you wouldn't be too impressed with Buffet's investing skills.
  • Warren Buffet tax rates...
    Neal,

    Don't be stupid. Warren Buffett is NOT claiming that he pays lower Federal or State income tax rates than his employees. He is showing how... but taking stock and capital rather than income... he pays a lower tax rate. And it is true. If I took a salary of 1 million dollars, I would take the highest tax rate there is. If I own the company, and the value increases by 1 billion and I sell my stock, I pay capital gains rates that are less than personal income rates. There is no con going on here. The statement is OBVIOUS to you and to me... so why do YOU try to distort it?

    What WB doesn't hasn't fully examined or been honest about is that he is really advocating tax reform where capital gains rates are sharply progressive. That, too, might hurt companies and individuals that seek to expand business and create jobs by selling capital... stocks or property or other non-cash investments. WB looks at his own situation and says "I have plenty, I should not be allowed to do this". He doesn't look at the wider group of investors who pay lower rates on capital gains and ask if it would hurt society to raise those rates.

    CLEARLY, high capital gains taxes reduces capital transactions. THAT is the point that you should be examining...not whether Warren Buffit is conning someone.
  • eeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzz
    anyone notice if you replace ff with tt whadaya git???????

    deep breath......let it out gently......squeeeeeeeeeze
  • @DG in GA
    Forget about Jimmy Dolan. This guy is dumber that a tube of toothpaste. The perfect democrat voter. You're not going to change him with facts.
  • Buffet is a hypocrite??
    Buffet is telling the truth; he actually pays a lower percentage in taxes than many of his employees. That is a fact, it's not a lie. How does telling the literal truth make him a liar or hypocrite?? (Just because he doesn't explain the details, that does NOT make him a liar.)

    The only thing Buffet does that is hypocritical, IMHO, is that he claims he should be required to pay more in taxes, yet he does not follow that up by voluntarily paying more in taxes (which he could easily do when filing his taxes each year).
  • correction
    Boortz is completely right. He did call The Oracle of Omaha a con artist.

    Mea Culpa oh Exalted One. hahahahahaha
  • @ mpercy
    OK folks. I knew most of you would bite hard on Boortz's claim. Here's a link showing that Buffet did, indeed, explain exactly WHY he's paying less:

    http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/58129-buffett-to-meet-with-senate-dems?page=4

    "Buffett said he paid a 16.5 percent tax rate on all his income because the tax rate on investment dividends and long-term capital gains is only 15 percent.

    By contrast, a single employee at Buffet’s firm, Berkshire Hathaway, who earns between $33,000 and $83,000 must pay a 25 percent federal income tax rate."


    Mr. Buffet will be awaiting any apologies from some of the group here and Mr. Boortz.

    Thanks for playing.
  • Answer for Buffet's deception
    The answer is to lower the taxes of your employees. You could also raise their pay to offset the "injustice".

    Yeah, right.

    To correct one thing. We do NOT tax WEALTH. We tax INCOME. Buffett has very low income and extremely high wealth.

    Boortz is half right, this argument flies because of ignorance of the US sheeple, but it wouldn't be out there without the deception of Buffet.
  • @mpercy
    sooooooo, WB is paying less in taxes than some of his employees. The reality is that a lot of extremely wealthy people get around paying taxes the way you're describing. Your whole post reinstates the point that Buffet is making.

    Face it, calling WB a con for this is just stupid. He might be a con for many other reasons, just not this one.
  • You can fix this easily enough, Mr, Buffet!
    Just write a check for "the amount you (think you) owe," make it payable to the United States Treasury and mail it in. They'll deposit it and use it for whatever The US Government uses money for, I guarantee it.

    You're welcome, glad to help anytime,
    "Ben from Norcross"
  • huh?
    Soooooooo, Buffet pays more in taxes than his employees.....

    Neal, I'm sorry, but this might have been your weakest argument yet.. You can say that Buffet should have pointed out WHY he's paying less in taxes than some of his employees, but to call him a con for stating the truth is a little strange especially since you confirm he's correct.
  • Jimmy Dolan
    Conservatives aren't the people who hate it when others get rich. Conservatives want EVERYONE to work hard and get rich! Because conservatives understand that the economy (and wealth) is not a finite pie where everyone gets a slice, but some slices are bigger than others. So if I get a big slice, you get cheated. That's what liberals appear to believe. Conservatives understand that the economic pie is capable of growing and growing, until we all get the size slice we EARN through our hard work, creativity, risk-taking, etc. So Jimmy, the reason we get annoyed with Warren Buffet is because he speaks in sound bites that are, on their face, true, but are very misleading when you dig a little deeper to discover the reality of the situation. And we wouldn't even mind that, if the media didn't hold Warren Buffet up as some sort of prophet, and just publish his proclamations without disclosing the reality behind them.
  • @samael
    Neal means that income taxes are not the same thing as capital gains taxes. WB implies that he pays a lower income tax rate than his secretary. Secondly, WB is wealthy due to his large holdings in Berkshire-Hathaway, but this vast wealth may not translate into a large income, as I believe WB pays himself a fairly modest $100K salary. WB says something along the line of "the percentage of my gross intake of money this year (income and capital gains) paid in taxes is lower than the same percentage that my secretary pays". Sure, he's got $100K taxes at 33% and maybe $10M taxed at LTCG rate of 10%. So he's close to averaging 10% in taxes. Of course, there's no SS/FICA taxes on capital gains either, so his sec. is getting slammed, comparatively.

    It's just that the comparison is wanting in some detail.

    Also, I suspect WB pays people to ensure that he pays the minimum in taxes. I mean, surely he has accountants and tax attorneys who help make sure he gets all the deductions, etc. He *could* simply not claim those deductions if he feels he's paying too little.
  • Low Capital Gains Tax Rates Don't Benefit Most of Us
    Buffett pays capital gains taxes at the maximum rate of 15% (thanks to GWB and the Republican Congress).

    The talk radio host called this lowered capital rates tax (and corresponding lowered dividend tax) a great victory for the people, because, after all, most Americans owned at least some stock or mutual funds.

    What they failed to mention was that most Americans can't take advantage of teh 15% tax rate because they hold their stocks in IRAs and 401k accounts. While tax deferred, capital gains in retirement accounts are eventually taxed at ordinary income rates (i.e., up to 35%).

    So the only ones who really benefitted from the lowered capital gains rates are those rich enough to hold their wealth outside of retirement accounts. The rest of Americans got screwed, and will get doubly screwed when ordinary income tax rates rise to pay down the deficits we incurred.
  • Another con
    Buffett also would like to see a bigger estate/inheritance tax rate (even bigger than the current RIDICULOUS 49%). What a hero--when he dies, he wants even MORE than 49% of his massive estate to go to imperial government. Gotta help the poor people, you know--and his kids don't need all that money, right? Ahhh, but there's a catch. Berkshire-Hathaway invests heavily in estate tax insurance policies--policies that help absorb/offset the tax hit on estate taxes. So a higher estate tax means more money to Buffett's baby (aka Berkshire-Hathaway)!
  • Yet another who lies by telling the literal truth.
    "Figures don't lie, but liars do figure"
  • Typical conservative wealth envy
    Conservatives just hate it when Americans get wealthy in America. It is okay for arabs to get wealthy off American taxpayer money, but if a guy like Warren Buffett, makes billions of dollars, then he is obviously a fake. Very classy republicans. I am not surprised, based on how I see conservatives run the economy in the toilet for 8 years it is hard to believe anybody could make so much money without cheating a bit
  • He also makes less
    Buffett also makes less in income (much less) than many of his employees.

    IIRC, he takes around 100k in income. Of course many of the managers that work for him (they have 50k employees) make much more than that.

    He also goes in his annual letters about the corporate structure of BRK, and how much more they have to pay in taxes than if they had a different structure.

    Finally, he consistently points out how much BRK as a company pays. In his 2006 annual letter he says:
    '''''Berkshire will pay about $4.4 billion in federal income tax on its 2006 earnings. In its last fiscal year the U.S. Government spent $2.6 trillion, or about $7 billion per day. Thus, for more than half of one day, Berkshire picked up the tab for all federal expenditures, ranging from Social Security and Medicare payments to the cost of our armed services. Had there been only 600 taxpayers like Berkshire, no one else in America would have needed to pay any federal income or payroll taxes.'''''

    That's where the majority of his tax contribution is paid!
  • What Con??
    Buffet says that he pays less than some of his employees. Boortz calls that a con and goes on to demonstrate HOW Buffet pays less taxes than his employees.

    Boortz, are you saying that Buffet should have gone into the detail of HOW he was paying less? I'm not sure what "con" you're referring to.

    I disagree with Buffet that taxes should go up any more and would prefer to simply cut spending like most folks. But calling Buffet a con just because he spoke against your ideas is ridiculous.

    I've voted Republican since I could vote. I voted for Bush TWICE. And now, I'm not sure why. The brand? Partly. The ideology? Mostly. Has the brand or ideology lived up to it's promise for the last 10 years? Hell no. And making up ridiculous arguments or false claims against your political opponents ain't helping any either.
  • Should have known......
    Neal beat me to the punch, see me comments on story above.

    WB is a FLAMING HYPOCRITE.
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