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THE RICH NEED TO PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE

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Neal Boortz
@ October 6, 2009 8:04 AM
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Warren Buffett has decided to get involved in the healthcare debate. The Democrats just love to tout what Buffett has to say, because generally he sways on the side of taxing the tar out of the wealthy. Clearly, this is coal in the fire for Democrats who are currently deciding how to pay for the healthcare dreams and schemes.

In a recent meeting with Senate Democrats, Warren Buffet proclaimed that wealthy Americans need to pay higher taxes. Senator Claire McCaskill quotes Buffett as saying, "He said rich people are not paying enough taxes ... It was interesting to see someone who is such an aggressive capitalist, who believes so much in our capitalist system, saying we've got the scales way too heavily toward people who are very, very wealthy." Interesting indeed, inasmuch as the top 1% of income earners in this country earn about 20% of income while paying about 40% of income taxes. Oh .... and providing a huge chunk of all jobs in the process.



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What others are saying

  • I refuse...
    to take advice from a man who has lost 10 billion dollars in 12 months. For all his genius, he's apparantly lost his marbles.
  • Buffett
    There is a huge difference between top income earners and the wealthy. People like Buffett don't pay high taxes because they already have their wealth and the big incoming money is in the form of dividends, not income. So there is no skin off of his nose if somebody trying come up behind him (a.k.a. – “The Competition”) gets the crap taxed out of them.
  • Doc
    davia
    i don't hate the rich. i hate our government for making them richer at the point the every else becomes poorer. like this $700M of tax money going right to the rich.
    By tshirt-doctor.com

    There is NO way that someone gets rich by taking it from the poor! Rich get rich by providing a service that someone pays for. You can shop for cheaper prices.

    So-called rich already pay more than they get in services from the government. They are the ONLY ones that can create jobs. How else are people going to work? Explain that one.
  • Warren's income
    Warren Buffett's salary from Berkshire Hathaway is only $100,000/year. So, by Obama's $250,000 standard, Buffett isn't one of the rich that taxes are going to see their taxes raised. I think it is very disingenuous for him to make statements like this. Now if he comes out and says dividends and capital gains should be taxed more heavily, which I oppose, then at least he looks more credible.
  • Buffett
    How did someone whose father was a four term republican US congressman become so liberal. His dad would be proud
  • davia
    i don't hate the rich. i hate our government for making them richer at the point the every else becomes poorer. like this $700M of tax money going right to the rich.
  • Leeches and Looters
    Can we really support a class of people who live in McMansions and drive huge luxury cars? Where are the natural resources to feed the Rich? C'Mon, there needs to be an income ceiling! Bill Gates, the richest man on the planet quit living like a pig, but most rich folks just keep buying themselves presents at the expense of the environment.
  • Warren buffet is free to give every dime he makes to the IRS.
    He'll never do that with HIS money, of course. Like soros' money that goes to buying control of that big pot he wants to collect from everyone else.
  • Who siad Buffett is a capitalist?
    He is a big government guy (I've been saying that for years) which thus precludes him from being a true capitalist, even though he uses the mechanisms of capitalism. Buffett loves big government, advocates for big government, and oddly enough profits from big government interventions, particularly in his insurance ventures...What was it during the TARP fiasco he was advocating government involvement and summarily made something like 20 billion over night because of it...what a scoundrel...can't stand him. And it still cracks me up that all the leftists still claim with a straight face that the Republicans are the party of corporate America when the One raised more on Wall Street, by significant margins, than did McLame.
  • re Tshirt doctor
    "and the rich 1%... if unemploying 50,000 of us would make their profits go up, they would do it in a heartbeat."

    T-shirt, I don't get you. You've demonstrated here and on other posts your disdain for the rich and your indifference/satisfaction to their potential loss of money. By what reasoning can you then turn around and blame them for not caring about you?

    It's just generally not good business practice to walk up to someone with one hand held out and the other hand flipping them off.

    and by the way... if I ran a business and 50,000 of my employees were doing so poorly that I was losing money by continuing to employ them, then yeah! They'd be gone in a heartbeat, if nothing else, for the sake of my company and the other thousands of employees that were being productive.
  • James
    Go to archives, search around April 20, I think you can also sort by category.
  • Economics 101
    Most of our country's problems would be solved if economics was emphasized in schools. It is simply not possible to do good with other people's money.
  • Buffet taxes
    Mr. Buffet is intentionally misleading on his tax burden. His investment income is all taxed before he gets his taxable gains because the corporation pays him AFTER it pays its tax bill. The capital he invests is used by the company to pay the taxes of all the employees (SS, Medicare, Medicaid, health insurance, etc.) of those companies. Even after this, he gets some money back (HOW NICE OF THE GOVERNMENT TO ALLOW HIM A RETURN!!) Imagine how much capital gains he would collect if all those were eliminated on the company! Also, his capital investment partially enables the employment of all the employees of the companies he invests in. Each of those employees that the company was able to hire because of his investment pay taxes that otherwise would not be paid. This is the reason that capital gains taxes on investments needs to be 0. I don’t care if Mr. Buffet doesn’t’ pay taxes on the money he risks to stimulate the economy, it might even create my next job
  • Help Please - First 100 Days by Boortz?
    I once read something along the lines of "First 100 Days in Office" which was a list of conservative / libertarian actions (day 1 - cut taxes, day 2 - abolish department of education, day 3 - eliminate funding for the NEA, etc.).

    I thought it was written by Boortz ... not sure.

    Anyone have a clue?

    Thanks,
    James
  • Buffet's fair share
    I think it is worth noting that Mr Buffet has no intention of letting the government have the majority of his estate when he passes away. His plan is to donate the bulk of his estate to the Gates foundation before he assumes room temperature. For all his talk, he doesn't trust the government to spend his money wisely.
  • Tell Buffet
    Tell Buffet he's perfectly welcome to donate his entire fortune to the federal government. No one is stopping him. No? Why not? He wants to donate other people's money, why not his first?
  • Good points below
    The key point is that high income does not necessarily mean high wealth. Based off of IRS 2007 numbers, the Top 1% income earners make $410K, the top 5% make $160K. Is a younger working family of 4 who has an AGI of $160K wealthy?? Hell no. They are accumulating wealth little by little after what's left after all the expenses.

    If Buffet is so concerned, someone should ask him " Since you are so concerned about the inquities of taxes for the rich, how about we increase your cap gains to 40% like the income taxes so you pay your "fair share"? Also, how about, instead of taxing income, we tax these wealthy individuals who don't pay their "fair share?" In other words, instead of taxing a hardworking family of 4's income of $160K at 40%, I think we should tax your wealth at 40% instead?? How's that sound? You are worth %50Billion, so how about we tax that to the tune of $20 billion, you bedwetting lib you??"
  • Buffet's tax statement
    Neal, last time I checked, the tax breaks that these rich people take are totally voluntary. No one makes them deduct their mortgage interest, business losses, etc. So if they think they are not taxed enough, they should just tell their accounts "no deductions". Leave the rest of us to ours.
  • Mike
    You have a very dim view of how this country operates. The problems you point out are the result of us allowing the government to stomp all over the constitution. The state does not have the right to take our property or our money, but by sleeping and trusting big government for the past 50-60 years we have allowed these bad things to slip into our laws. Just giving up is not the answer. So unless you are willing to fight (by votes and demanding reps listen not bullets, hopefully) to reinstate our rights, then maybe you should be the one to leave.
  • Fair share?
    Life is not fair. Just Make the highly profitable pay more and leave this fair crap out of it.
    Businesses don't understand that the gov't is only trying to level the playing field because of the exploitation. They can't stand not being able to keep all of the money that they think is theirs. When the gov't takes some back, its all whine whine this and whine whine that.

    When an employer keeps all the profit and doesn't give the employees any bonus or a raise that's not fair either but the employer doesnt want to hear about whats fair, come on. Its all his money and he doesn't need the employee that helped to make that money.

    Like wise, the state doesn't need you or your business. You are just lucky to be here (right?). All the money and the land belongs to the state. The gov't can take YOU, your money and your land (all gov'ts can do this). So none of this fair crap please. If we want you to pay more you're going to no matter how much you whine about "its not fair" (using boortz' whiney voice).

    If the people or the businesses don't like it, they are _free_ to go somewhere else with their money, nobody is stopping them (seriously), but I suspect that they'll be back because there is still plenty of profit to be made here. I also suspect they'll keep whining about how much they care about the stock holders (what a joke). Because its all about the stock holders. Its not about those big bonuses paid to the top levels of management.

    If the state wants your money the state is going to get its money. Go whine somewhere else please. If you don't like it here then try another country. lets just see how long they put up with you.
  • Buffett
    Why can't these basterds like Buffett and Soros shut the F-up. If they think that they do not pay enough taxes, write a check to the IRS! These increased taxes they crow about will mainly soak the small business man and not the uber rich like these guys.

    What a bunch of effing phonies.
  • Heck just tax all them richies
    Take all the taxes out of Buffet, Gates, etc. and none of the rest of us will ever have to pay taxes again!!!

    You know what would happen? Other than the crash and burn, the libs would still bad mouth the rich.
  • tax
    why do the poor 90% of americans get so upset when a member of the rich 10% of americans want to increase the taxes on the rich 10%?

    and the rich 1%, they just swap money around. if unemploying 50,000 of us would make their profits go up, they would do it in a heartbeat.
  • Warren Buffett knows what he's talking about.
    When it comes to money and wealth, Warren Buffett is a smart man. When he indicates that he is paying less tax than his employees, then perhaps he's implying that there are too many loopholes that the rich can use to escape paying their fair share of taxes. His political views are irrelevant. He knows how to make money a lot better than most of us.
  • It depends on what your definition of "is" is ...
    or what your definition of "fair" is ...

    According to my definition of "fair", each and every one of us has the responsibility (oops, politically incorrect) to pay our own way for those services we actually use: food, clothing, shelter, education, healthcare, entertainment, etc. That's fair. If I should decide that I should pay for anything you use, I damn well better receive a "THANK YOU" in return. That's fair.

    If Warren feels so strongly that he's not paying enough in taxes, he (and anyone else who feels so inclined) can make a (tax deductible) contribution, in any amount he chooses, simply by sending a check to "US Treasury". And until the check clears, STFU about how much money folks should fork over. That's fair.
  • Buffet and taxes
    Warren believes in paying his fair share of taxes so much that he is giving most of his accumulated wealth to the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation when he dies.

    Taxes are for the little people.
  • Yeah, cause what does he know?
    Of course conservatives hate this guy, he brings good ideas to the table. And I am not talking about crazy conservative ideas like no taxes that everyone loves but will never happen and it is just a waste of time. Buffett is a huge gazillionaire. I would listen to any advice he says. Of course, I am liberal, and I respect the wealthy. Conservatives only respect the wealthy that are arabs and work with oil
  • This Is Good Stuff
    I hope the democrats heed Mr. Buffet's advice and try to raise taxes even more, on the 'rich', and especially on small business owners. I really do. It's going to be fun watching all those faces stretch into panic, then sink into despair, on CNN next November. Yeah....you democrat congress jerkoffs...GO FOR IT. RAISE TAXES! MUWAHAHAHA...
  • Buffet's Wealth
    I always wonder when Limousine Liberals complain that the wealthy aren't taxed enough, how their own personal financial situations are set up. No rational person would run around saying "Tax me more!!! Confiscate more of my money, please!!!" Buffet's money must be so sheltered that it is virtually untouchable by the IRS. Of course, it's well known that he actually LIVES on a very small percentage of his personal wealth, and has lots of complicated trusts, etc. So it must be that WEALTH and INCOME are very different things in his world...

    Or it may be the irrational stupidity so evident even in less affluent liberals. My brother, for example, is a flaming liberal. He is always yelling that we need this government program or that government program to help the "less fortunate," but then makes really stupid financial decisions in an effort to get more tax deductions to "reduce his income taxes." He doesn't seem to equate the stupid liberal policies and programs with the INCREASE in taxes. Whenever he talks about yet another boneheaded decision to "reduce his income taxes" I tell him, "Stop voting for Democrats!!!!!"
  • Buffet tax comment
    Like most limo liberals out there, Mr. Buffet is happy to raise the taxes on his (and everyone else's) current earnings. Hey - a 60% tax bill on $235MM in annual profits still leaves him with $94MM to live on. (Just numbers - too lazy to look up the real numbers on him last year.) Making ends meet in Omaha, NE ought to be doable on that kind of take-home salary.

    Here's a plan to get us far closer to your goal of paying your fair share, Mr Buffet. How about having the government tax the holdings of any family or person with a net value of over $100MM at 90%? We can dispense with the niceties of S-corps, stock holdings, long term investments, off-shore accounts and the like, you know you have it, so why be coy about it? Think of all the money your holdings alone could provide to feed the leviathan, Mr. Buffet!

    As an aside, I am not aware of any law preventing Mr. Buffet from sending in a check to the treasury to help "pay his fair share". You should do so immediately to assuage your conscience.

    By the way Missouri, DUMP THAT IDIOT you have as a Senator. It is embarrassing to you.
  • Could you imagine
    I know Neal puts it out every chance he can but imagine if our Republican leaders spent as much time promoting the National Retail Sales tax as the Democrats spend on their Health Care proposal. Why won't they? Because Republicans don't really want the National Retail sales tax to replace the IRS either. Also, all Republicans can do is point fingers for the last decade.

    If you are voting for an incumbent, you are part of the problem. There is no "lessor of two evils" between the two parties any longer.
  • High Income Does NOT mean wealth
    The usual tactic of the ultra liberal - equate high income with "wealth." They are not the same, regardless of what the truly rich are willing to say. One way to tell if someone is truly wealthy - they don't really care how much they pay in income taxes because they have cash to burn. But try to tax the capital (i.e., the accumulated wealth) and they'd sing a different tune.
  • Buffett
    Hey Warren, how about structuring YOUR Income as ordinary, not Capital gains.

    That way you can pay your "Fair" share, and we couldn't expose you for the FLAMING HYPOCRITE that you are.

    Well???????????
  • Why doesn't Warren Buffett LEAD By example and Hand over at least SOME of his wealth to set up a Healthcare system to take care of the uninsured?
    Some of the Hollywood Leftists could help out with this.

    [Hint, I know the answer, but I wanted to ask anyways]
  • further down the rabbit hole
    You don't raise taxes on the wealthy during a recession. Every idiot knows that. The jobless rate is at 10%, FFS.

    This is not the time for business owners to be scaling back, due to an oppressive, overreaching government.
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