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SO THE BAUCUS BILL LIVES TO SEE ANOTHER DAY

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Neal Boortz
@ October 14, 2009 8:48 AM
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Well they managed to do it. The Senate Finance Committee passed the Baucus bill, thanks in part to a lone Republican Olympia Snowe, who, of course, voted for the bill. When it came to growing the government and attacking liberty, who didn't know that Snowe would go along with it? She is the only Republican to vote for any of the healthcare bills out there right now. She even got a shout out from the president ... how cool is that?! So now, the Senate must take this bill and work to merge it with another one. In other words, there is still A LOT of work to be done. This is far from over. So that is why I will continue to try to educate you about what we have in these healthcare bills.

The most important thing for you to understand is that this is NOT about improving American health care. It is ALL about controlling American health care. It is a bid for government power; a bid for political power. The ultimate goal is to further entrench the Democrat party in power ... from this day on.

Here's something else for you to gnaw on.

One of the reasons that Olympia Snowe may have voted for the Baucus bill is because of what she calls its "low" price tag -- $829 billion over ten years. But let's take a look at the big picture. Did you know that $507 billion of that $829 billion will be covered by NEW federal taxes and fees? That's not according to some insurance industry reports, that is according to the Congressional Budget Office.

CNSNews has a list of the new taxes and fees included in this Baucus bill:

-- $201 billion in new taxes on high-premium health care plans.

-- $83 billion in new taxes paid by workers who will receive less employer-sponsored coverage or lose that coverage altogether but will be compensated with higher wages or monetary benefits, which are taxable.

-- $23 billion in penalty fees paid by employers who do not comply with the federal insurance mandate.

-- $4 billion in penalty fees paid by individuals who don't have health insurance.

-- $16 billion in new income and Medicare payroll tax revenue due to changes in Medicare.

-- $180 billion in other tax revenues items calculated by the non-partisan Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT).

According to the JCT, this $180 billion in new taxes would include: A new tax on prescription drug makers that would account for $22.2 billion over 10 years; a new tax on medical device manufacturers that would bring in $38.6 billion; and a new annual tax on insurance companies would net the government $60.4 billion.

Are you starting to notice a trend here? More taxes. More government. More bureaucrats. The Democrats are creating bigger government with more strings attached to the purse.

Elections have consequences.



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  • Once Again -- I Agree with Joyce
    Joyce -- You're absolutely correct. We ARE a Republic.

    And when the citizens of that Republic voted for a Democratic House, a Democratic Senate and a Democratic President, virtually all of whom campaigned on universal health insurance, that means those elected officials should carry out the people's will.

    Glad we agree on something.
  • Add me to the list toofless.
    Did it ever occur to you that just maybe the reason the GOP isn't relevant today is because they aren't conservative? Lemmings to the dp.
  • Clean Up Republican Party
    It is time to kick out the RINOs (Republican In Name Only) from the Republican Party. This way leftlists and politically dumb mass Americans will not get 'confused' that the Republican Party is supporting something idiotic. The Republican Party will not 'lose' any vote anyway because the RINOs will still vote like an idiot, as in almost the whole Democratic Party (there are still a few good old real Democrats left).
  • Truthignorer
    Arrogant much?

    Wouldn't you want your representatives to follow your direction? Oh that's right, your direction is the only right one! NOT

    Progressivism may work for you, but we don't really want it here or the constitution would have taken that into account, now wouldn't it? We are a REPUBLIC. Why don't you go find somewhere you will be comfortable in your little collective.

    Relevance, that's funny coming from people like you, take care of all the so-called unfortunates with goods taken from the rest of us at the point of an IRS gun.

    I guess only time will tell. Like 2010 and 2012.

    Did you go study up on what it really means to be a progressive?
  • Our Thanks to Joyce, Steve and $mooth Operator
    All of us Democrats and Independents offer our sincere gratitude to true patriots such as Joyce, Steve, $mooth Operator and all the others who wish to purge the Repulican ranks of Snowe, Collins, Graham, McCain and all the other RINOs out there.

    Thanks to you, the Republican party will soon exist only in the South (and in Utah), so you will then have NO voice in national affairs. (And thank god for that.)

    But I know you true patriots will choose purity over relevance any day. And the nation thanks you for it.
  • Health Care
    Health Care: A Future Free-Market Alternative

    http://www.thefreemanonline.org/featured/health-care-a-future-free-market-alternative/

    i'm afraid it just the future
  • he's krazy..........................
    butt neckid is krazy........

    most of the scumsuckin' politicians in office now will be there in 2013.........
  • parting shot.......
    hey do you think that the scumsuckin' politicians know they're on the way out so they don't give a crap what they pass..........

    you kno' like when the clintons ransacked the whitehouse before departing?????????

    just think about it.......
  • said this yesterday........
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    let's do this......make wal-mart our healthcare provider.......

    WHATTTTT?????.....sure look at it this way.....they really know how to provide a service to billions of peeple......ok some are repeat customers......

    they are conveniently located have plenty of political pull (own several politicians at all levels) and can reach a broad base faster than a speeding virus.........

    the only down side that I can see is that all service providers will be made in china and not leadfree.......

    they need to keep us alive 'cuz they want their money they loaned us BACK......
  • More
    "Data from the JCT and former CBO Director Douglas Holtz-Eakin show that by 2019, 89 percent of the taxes will be paid by taxpayers earning less than $200,000 a year..."

    http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2009/10/baucus_bill_89.php
  • my girfriend says............................
    RESISTANCE IS FRIGHTFUL.......
  • @Kevin H
    Kevin, name me one big government program that has ever been rescinded.

    I think I hear crickets chirping....

    That's exactly why conservatives are up in arms over this outrage.
  • Even If a HealthCare Bill Passes
    I don't think it is irreversible. I do agree with Neal that normally entitlement programs once enacted are not normally irreversible. But if a bill passes even with the public option, I think that tax increases to fund it will start within the year but the programs themsekves will not start until after 2010. If so, HOPEFULLY, with some more moderate and conservative tilt in Congress after 11/2010, than perhaps some modifications can be effected.
  • it's not my fault...................
    ya'll get the gubmint ya'll deserve......you keep sending them back, why??? do you enjoy gittin' skrewed without so much as a reach-a-round???????

    how's that workin' for ya????

    if you send 'em back you get the same crap smeared on ya......oh! crap I get it!!!!!! it's a beauty treatment.......right......sorry.....
  • Snowe the Maverick
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    Oh, and Truth... we'll take Lieberman in a heartbeat, thank you. He's no worse than McCain, Collins and all the other great compromisors we already have.

    Honestly though, the sooner we get rid of them all, the better. The thing that scares people like Truth the most is the thought of the GOP actually returning to the principles of Reagan once again.
  • Call/Fax Snowe the RINO Traitor
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    Phone: (202) 224-5344
    Toll Free: (800) 432-1599
    Fax: (202) 224-1946
  • It's Snowe or No Snowe in the Senate
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  • The big savings
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  • And where is the RNC on this?
    If Snowe has cast her lot with the looters-err, democrats, it's time the RNC publicly sanction her, RINO that she is.

    Given that she votes conservative only 18% of the time (there are dimocrap senators who consistently vote more conservatively than her, Mary Landrieu is one) we don't consider her a conservative anyway--she's not.

    I would not be surprised to see Snowe the RINO go the way of Specter and mutate into a dimocrap. Come to think of it, the RNC should also sanction that slack-jawed yokel Graham as well and kick him out of the party. Not that we'd miss either of those traitors.
  • When I got the news yesterday....
    ...I immediately sent an email to her website:

    I won't mince words, because I am so mad. If you vote for the Democratic Health Bill, you are an idiot. I swear I'll send money to your Republican challenger and if he/she loses, I'll send it to your Democratic challenger. You've been in government for far too long.

    I don't care that I don't live in your state, or that I've even been there.

    You haven't even READ the bill!!!

    God, what fools we have in Washington.
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  • Dr. Phil and Truthignorer
    Dr. Phil, that $259 per person is just to pay for subsidies and admin costs. You'll still have your premiums to pay.

    And we all know it'll go up...

    Truth, we don't send people to Washington to "compromise with Democrats" we send them to represent our best interests. This is NOT in our best interest. So all those who no longer know their job, will be up for "performance review" soon and many will get their separation notice.
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    Why worry about the cost of health care reform? We can always just print more money. Isn't that what the USSR did for decades? I mean, who cares what the dollar is worth compared to to the Euro or the Yen?
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  • Republicans Should Get Rid of Snowe
    Please, please, please. All you good Republicans, please kick Olympia Snowe out of the Republican party. After all, anyone who is willing to compromise with Democrats on anything can't possibly be a good Republican.

    While you're at it, get rid of Collins, McCain and Graham as well. But, don't worry, we'll give you Lieberman.
  • What would they???
    What would they do if we all just quit working.We could all become looters,tax cheats and losers. One Looter Nation Under God,I'm sorry, Under 44.

    And yes Joyce,I agree, I'm getting really tired of this discussion.

    As for Olympia,the really sad part is,She is all proud of herself.I think,she thinks,she's doing real good for all HER people.
  • What Happened???
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  • Missing zeros
    Dr. Phil - No missing zeros in your calcs, but that is not the issue. The issue is how can you get health care for 259.00 a year? You can't. The plan can't work as stated. It can't sustain any part of the actual medical end of the equation. So what would be the outcome if it was actually implemented as presented? EPIC FAIL. And our taxes would go through the roof to pay the actual costs. C'mon man, think.
  • @Dr. Phil,

    The $829B price tag is just the gov't expenditures. On top of that, you still need to pay the insurance premiums your currently paying, plus the cost of additional regulation. That $12,000 per family of four per year jumps to $14,000 in the first year alone, then exponetially as the PWC audit predicts. Hell, the Baucus regs don't even kick in for 3 years, but the taxes get collected immediately. 10 years out, once costs get unsustainable, and we're looking at rationing, like Massachusetts and Great Britian are doing.
  • Olympia Snowe
    The Senate Republicans would be right to remove Senator Snowe from the Republican Party.
  • Oops - Snowe up north
    I knew I pushed the send button too early. That $259 is per PERSON per year and should be compared to $12,000/4 (for a family of four), or $3,000 per person per year in conventional private-pay insurance programs. Still, the govmint "freedomectomy" program is less expensive than the private program...so come one guys and gals, tell me where I missed placing my zero's here.
  • Corporations DO NOT PAY TAXES!
    And how many of those dumbasses among us realize that any taxes leaved on any corporation will simply be passed along to consumers, aka (WE THE PEOPLE) who make up the "middle class"? Elections have consequences! How's that "hope'n changie" thingie working out for ya?
  • Getting my Escape Plan up to speed
    When China is second to the US in Millionaires and I have no doubt that someday they will be first, I have a problem with that. It is obvious what is happening here to anyone with a sliver of conscience or moral compass. See in a bill like this your future's end. As the slave...uh I mean citizens of the United States are asked for more and more of their income to pay for everyone else who will not work, then everyone will become dependent on these programs. No one wins here folks. The middle-class is being single-handedly dismantled by the Congress and President BHO....mmm-mmm-mmm.

    New Zealand, Cost Rica, and Estonia are looking pretty good right now.
  • Snowe Should Just Join Spector Already
    Olympia Snowe is the quintessential RINO. I've never heard of this woman not voting with the Democrats. I wish these people would stop standing with the party that they don't even support and join the party that they seem to agree with. Spector did it and Snowe should do it.

    As for the bill itself, chalk one up against freedom and liberty. These people don't even hide it anymore. They want a complete nanny state and with RINO's like Snowe they can get it Blue Dogs be damned. A vast majority of Americans don't want this yet they thumb their noses at us and pass it anyway. Sadder yet, they will most likely get re-elected. Thank you America for turning my country into the Soviet Union.
  • Snowe up north
    Here's the numbers according to my calculator.

    829 Billion is $829,000,000,000.00
    320 Million people live in the USA, that's 320,000,000

    Divide the smaller into the larger and you get $2,590.00 for each man, woman and child living in the United States spread out over ten years. That of course, is $259.00 per year to get health care..

    Somewhere I am missing a few zeros. Right now, the average family of 4 is paying around $12,000 per year for insurance. Is government actually telling us that we can get THEIR insurance for 3.7 times LESS than we can? Hmmm. someone correct me, but that government "freedomectomy" plan seems like a real bargain!
  • Snowe
    And the winner of the 2010 Nobel Prize for Medicine is..........(drum roll).........Olynpia Snowe

    With a name like that, what's not to love if you are Norwegian??
  • Why was she siding with the Statists and against Liberty?
    When the Republicans call and ask for a donation, ask them that.

    Tell them that there is a Snowe-ball's chance in hell that you will contribute to them if she doesn't straighten up and fly right.
  • As the French say,"Don't shoot! I surrender!"
    It's amazing that this country has sunk to this level. Punish the people who have healthcare, punish the people who don't. Tax the bejzeezus out of anyone who is earning well and making promises to the ones who aren't, courtesy of the others. I wonder if we could just do the Boatlift in reverse and just send all the liberals to the People's Paradise that is Cuba. I am trying to create my own paradise but it is frustrating to know I have to give up so much for the 'common good'. Talk about losing motivation. Thanks for the 'Change' you morons.
  • And the scariest part of this ...
    the complete text of the bill was "unavailable". Not only were the finished parts unavailable, large chunks of this sucker haven't even been written yet ... AND THESE - expletives deleted - VOTED FOR IT!!!! It ain't written yet, and THESE BOZOS VOTED IN FAVOR OF IT.

    What's wrong with this picture? Please ask your elected representative what's wrong with this picture. Loudly and frequently.
  • health care deform
    Did I hear Herman say health care deform this morning?Sounds like something from the Slogan Master.
  • -- $4 billion in penalty fees paid by individuals who don't have health insurance.
    I am assuming that the tax forms will be modified in order to have a line devoted to your insurance company and policy number so that this can be enforced.

    I guess I will be forced to buy a policy before mailing out my tax form and then cancel it immediately once my refund or check clears the bank.

    More onerous tax codes for people to duck and dodge.
  • comment on senate health bill
    Im for taxing those high performance plans - I dont think there are any better than out congress and senate have - We should start taxing there.
  • Counting unhatched eggs
    --$83 billion in new taxes paid by workers who will receive less employer-sponsored coverage or lose that coverage altogether but will be compensated with higher wages - ***that's assuming employers will pass on those monies to the employees, at least some will not.

    -- $23 billion in penalty fees paid by employers who do not comply with the federal insurance mandate. -- *** Who's not going to comply????

    ---- $180 billion in other tax revenues items calculated by the non-partisan Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT). - *** all of which will be passed on to consumers.

    I'm getting really tired of this discussion.
  • The For Sale Sign Is Up
    Why do you think Olympia Snowe made her statement yesterday- that she wasn't necessarily going to vote for any more versions of the bill, it depends..... She put out the "for sale" sign! She's likely noted how Ohio politicians held their votes for ransom and were bought out for them. She's saying that she can be bought if the price is right. How's that for political clout!?!?
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