Why do Libertarians support more government by supporting Roe v Wade. Roe v. Wade took the decision making away from states and handed what amounts to an entire branch of the medical industry to a handful of government lawyers.

Stephen, my only point is the entire issue is a murky moral quagmire and as such is a moral choice best left to the individual.

Maybe more succintly I could put it this way: With the issue of abortion you are balancing the rights of one life against the rights of another life, all based on an arbritrary determination of when life begins. It will never be cut and dry.

Joyce gets it-- thank you, Joyce.

In that respect, yes, I am pro-choice. But I am NOT pro-abortion. Does that clear it up?

Naaahhh. They are too busy trying to make everyone happy and not offend the always offended.

Abortion? Really?

Just where do YOU draw the RINO line? As for me I draw it somewhere before the endorsement of the Working Families Party (ACORN). Yes, Scozzafava is running on both the Republican and WFP lines on the ballot and if I were in NY that would be all I'd need to know to pick a different candidate.

I have noticed this before here, the mention of the A word sets Neal off into irrational bahavior.

Actually Neal, your post is a straw man as well. If Scozzafava were merely pro-choice, this would not be a nationally recognized election. She supports card check. She supports Cap & Tax. She supports government-run health insurance.

What's to like? She's a bigger Democrat than the Democrat! I didn't even know what here abortion stance was until you brought it up, and I've donated to Hoffman twice!

is really whether we want safe or unsafe abortions. There's no way to invade a woman's house and control her actions and monitor her 24 hours a day (much to the disappointment of some of the weirdo Christian men out there). Just like drug use is really a question of whether you want higher risk usage or lower rish usage. Either way the behavior probably won't stop.

Yep...the anti-choice crowd in the Republican party say they are against abortion, but are usually the ones that support wars that kill pregnant mothers and the unborn oversees.....why so inconsistent? I guess if they are middle eastern unborn or something, that's somehow different? These guys and the anti-gay types are precisely why the Republican party is shrinking. Conservatism respects the indivual, it doesn't force individuals to conform to group thought based on someone's own personal moral opinion.

Ok, guys: All of you-- abortion is NOT as clear-cut and simple as either side would like to make it.

The issue is just way too complex and there is no clear line here, and I don't care on what side you are-- but it is complex enough that it needs to be left in the hands of the individual, or at the very most, the state and not the federal govt.

Right to life vs. pro choice: both have very valid arguments.

Fine, the fetus has a right to life...but from when? At inception? After several months? How about before inception? You could argue that anytime someone has protected sex they are denying someone life. Or whenever someone doesn't have sex at all. Not having enough sex = you're a murderer. It can start getting pretty absurd.

Then there's the argument that freedom only goes so far until it affects someone's life. Sure, but having or not having a child doesn't just impact the child-- it impacts the family, and that family's support network, and if you're on welfare or some such it impacts every taxpayer. You could argue that getting an abortion adversly affects one life-- the unborn child-- but not having one adversely affects the life of every taxpayer.

Next, does quality of life matter here? What if the child is brought into such hopeless circumstances that it will either turn to a life of crime or government entitlement? Or if the child will be alive, but live a life of absolute misery because it is born with a defect or disease or into poverty or any other adverse circumstance? Doesn't any of that matter?

Who has conscious memories of being a fetus? Does life begin at consciousness, or when you are just a collection of cells? Is sperm life? Then everytime you have sex you are creating one life and murdering thousands.

The list goes on and on, and you can philosophize (is that a word lol?) ad naseum.... I'm not giving a clear cut stance on it because I don't have one. I hear phrases like "abortion crushes baby's skulls with a hammer" (Club-a-Liberal, I think?) and it does make me cringe...but there is just no clear line here and there never will be.

My point is, you shouldn't have a clear answer either-- or at least you shouldn't for everybody else out there. It is and should be a very personal and complex decision that does NOT just affect the life of the unborn child but many, many other people as well.

I guess, all told, based on the logic above, that would classify me as pro-choice....but that by no means suggests that I support abortion with open arms, either!

Right there with you.

This past weekend, my family (me, my wife, my mother-in-law, and my brother-in-law) went to a gun show here at the Cobb Civic Center. Inside, John Oxendine supporters were passing out flyers--he's running for Governor. The pamphlet had twelve points. 9.5 of them I agreed with. One, transportation, I need more details on so give it 0.5 points.

One I agree with, but in a fundamentally different way, school vouchers--I support public education, but not public schools (i.e., all schools should be 'private', so vouchers to me mean something different than his platform means.

The other was abortion, and his plank here is "Life is a precious gift from our Creator. Abortion is the taking of that precious gift, an innocent life. As Governor, I will oppose abortion at any point of gestation. Our support for life should be supplemented by an amendment to the Georgia Constitution proclaiming a "paramount right to life".

That, combined with his history of one-man-one-woman anti-gay behavior, use of language like “Those who are engaged in homosexual behavior are people—who need love and forgiveness, and who need to understand the love of God.”

If only I could find a candidate that made economic sense without trying to ram his religion down my throat too.

P.S. I told my wife I was glad the pamphlet had support for the FairTax as #12 rather than #1, otherwise I might not have read any further...

Neal, the problem with Dede for most of us isn't abortion, it's things like being in bed with ACORN and publicly supporting card check. When we've reached the stage when the republican leadership supports a candidate who is further to the left than the blue dog coalition, it's time to clean house.

Dede is using republican money to support democrat positions and twits like Newt think that an R behind her name can somehow make up for flaming progressive positions.

Health care reform is coming, this myth we democrats need 60 votes in senate is just that a myth, I venture a bet if they cannot get the 60 votes they will opt for the 51 nuclear option, GOP did it several times under GW Bush Jr, so hypocrisy is going to doom the GOP calling it a wrong tactic, whats good for the goose is good for the gander! I predict when it happens it will be like Social Security, Medicare it will be become popular, untouchable and the GOP's death since it will prove they fought something that was for benefit for people versus the benefit for their true masters the corporotions and lobbyists!

I am happy Boortz, Savage {banned from UK with terrorists/murderers}, Doyle, Levin, Ingraham, Hannity, Oreilly & Limbaugh have split the GOP between themselves and the George Will's faction of GOP, one can tune to any right wing radio station which I do daily not as a fan, but out of morbid curiosity, entertainment, and listen to the callers, who one can listen to and its quite understandable now why the GOP has fallen to 20%, and of this if one believes the split, 10% side with the Limbaugh faction and 10% with the George Will's faction and seems neither side can agree, both want the other to leave the party, even the Tea Party has split into two distinct groups, the pro-conservative/republican branch & the anti-any party branch, so this divisiveness which hate radio is good for, pandering to the angry, hatemongers in our society is good, it has been a "gift horse" to us in 2006/2008 and will likely be our benefit in 2010/2012! A old military tactic is divide and conquer, and as long as the radio jocks think they are politicians with elected power, who divide the GOP, its going to be fun watching this cannabalistic feast they are on!

Voting the 3rd party candidate isn’t a wasted vote in this case. It’s the perfect opportunity for conservatives to take a stand, and demand that the Republican Party stand for something, because conservatives won’t lose a thing by supporting Hoffman. First, he has an excellent chance to win. Second, if the democrat wins because of the republican/conservative vote split, we end up with a democrat that’s more conservative than Scozzafava, so we’re still better off. And, that damage is minimal, because we’ll vote it all over again in 2010. (I didn’t include Scozzafava’s winning as a potential result, because I think she has no chance as long as Hoffman stays in the race).
I distinctly remember my disappointment and disgust when I learned that McCain had “won” the republican presidential nomination. Although I voted for him in the general election very half-heartedly, I swore I’d never again vote for a RINO. Many others think the same, and this election is our chance to drive home that point to the Republican Party.

Reading many of the responses on this article causes me to wonder if indeed The United States of America is finished or if yet there is a spark of hope.

Several respondents have correctly pointed out the error of Neil's (arguably) neurotic and all too frequent rants against anti-abortionists and their (in his opinion) single-minded ruination of the Conservative voting bloc. But after reading all the comments I see Neil and his ilk as merely the tip of the iceberg that USS America has already side-swiped. We Conservatives don’t “play well together.”

Democrats are in total control now, not because their constituents agree on every issue but because they have seen their version of the bigger picture and realized that in unity there is strength. Unfortunately that picture is the prospect, and now likelihood, of US becoming “Utopie Socialiste” (and yes, the French is intentional). And while we spat and fumed at each other because of our complete lack of respect for others’ right to their opinion and our willingness to agree to disagree, America is now almost France.

I don’t know that Conservatives will ever be able to “play well” with Democrats. I have mused over what it would take to bring such great cohesion to our nation similar to our efforts to win WWII. Japan bombed Pearl Harbor and a pissed-off nation responded en-masse to defeat them. And USA grew STRONG, together. On September 11, 2001 more Americans died than those from the attack on Pearl Harbor. America was again furious… for about 30 minutes. Then we fractured back into our political factions, started the name calling, gasping, arguing, using the situation to excuse ulterior motives legislated.

Neil… damn! Shut up about anti-abortionists and use your great ability to help get the group (Conservatives) together. Answer my first remark by proving that, as long as there is the breath of life in a handful of common sense thinking American citizens, and as long as that handful is willing to sacrifice their personal agendas enough to actually pull together, there is HOPE for America. My five grandchildren need it, and so do I. But it dead sure won’t come through Socialism.

LOL....30 seconds? (snicker)

is right, her welfare check went up during clintoon, down during President Bush, and up during her obamamessiah.

Based on her stance on other issues (not abortion), I would not have voted for Scozzafava if I was in her district. If she was a fiscal conservative and a believer of small gov’t, I would have voted for her despite her “no choice for the unborn” stance. I don’t like to use pro choice because we all are for choice but believe that choice ends when it infringe on someone’s liberties.

@Randy
You are making an error that many make this days whether they are pro or for something; painting all with the same color. I am antiabortion individual who is also against the death penalty (not all antiabortion are for the death penalty). I am antiabortion because I am against the taking of life by anyone or the gov't. I believe in choice but that choice stops when it infringes on another life. I am one of many who will never picket an abortion clinic because I believe in the rule of law. Abortion is legal so I will not prosecute those who choose to participate but I will try to change it thru laws or change the mind of someone who is thinking about having it but I will not condemn if they proceed with their choice because it is not my place to do so. The decision that made abortion legal is constitutionally questionable to me.

Just think, if your momma would have thought like you do, I would have saved the 30 seconds I just wasted reading your post.

I am sure that I am not the only person who has noticed that for someone who claims not to be a Republican, Boortz spend an inordinate amount of time boosting the GOP. In this article Boortz makes it clear that he looks to the GOP to save the US.

Isn't it time for Boortz to come out of the closet?

Neal - You claim to be an ardent Libertarian yet you belittle those who hold true to conservative values? This race goes beyond the question of abortion. Scozzafava is nothing more than a RHINO - she supported the stimulus, she supports card-check, she supports higher taxes, not to mention her Acorn-friendly and union pandering stances. Enough is enough!

Every time the GOP moves to the center in an attempt to appease the moderates, what happens? They get trounced! The GOP is clueless. Look what happened to McCain. Initially, the GOP didn't support Reagan for President, either. It was the people, through the primaries who did!

It's time we took a stand!

Abortion aside (and I don't disagree that that issue needs to be left alone); we're talking about a lady who supports Cap and Trade, Card Check, Public Option, and a whole host of other liberal items. She isn't being opposed by Hoffman because of abortion, she's being opposed because the Democrat running against her is more of a conservative than she is.

This is great news. Hopefully traditional conservatism in the vein of Ron Paul/Thomas Jefferson/Barry Goldwater will make a comeback. Really we can say that Republicans lost the last election by acting like neo-cons (big govt, Patriot Act, wars, foreign policy adventurism) instead of actual conservatives. Read Ron Paul's book The Revolution: A Manifesto to see what REAL conservatism is all about. No wonder Amnesty John McCain's people were asking Ron Paul for an endorsement. We will see this play out in national elections also. The Liberty army is here to stay, and it is time to purge neo-con mentality from the GOP.No matter what Lyndsay Graham has against following the constitution. Bush,Cheney,Romney,Giulianigovt expansion types are simply not going to fly anymore. The GOP better be ready to include things like;

-withdrawing troops from places where Congress has not declared war on a tangible enemy(Iraq,Afghanistan,Germany,Italy)
-Balance the budget
-Downsize ALL federal programs by 60%
-abolish the income tax
-abolish board of education
-secure the border,illegals out
-audit the federal reserve
-return to sound gold standard money
-adopt foreign policy of non-intervention(not isolationism which is drastically different from non-intervention)
-abolish the patriot act
-withdraw financial 'aid' to middle eastern countries
-end wasteful drug war

If the GOP cannot come around to these things, (in other words if you thought Bush was a good president) and if they keep rejecting the ideas of people like Thomas Jefferson, Gary Johnson, Peter Schiff and Ron Paul....it will once again split the vote between real conservatives and the now big govt socialist sympathizers like McCain....and Obama and the democrats will continue to win elections. Plain and simple.

(Off topic maybe) It's funny....People so concerned with keeping fetuses alive are always the ones in favor of the death penalty, and the pro-baby killing whackos are always protesting when the state executes a convicted scumbag. LOL (Not me though...I'm not only pro-choice, I'm for MORE and MORE abortions. Just think what a better place this country would be if more people had never been born. I'm also not only pro-death penalty, I think it should be carried out in the alley behind the courthouse, with a single bullet to the head, before the convict has a chance to even say goodbye to his momma...who, if she'd had the common sense god gave a goat, would've aborted his ass in the first place. Ah, the circle of life. And death.

The Republicans and conservatives are NOT mutually exclusive terms. We have two Republican US Senators in the state of Georgia that call themselves conservatives. Isakson is up for re-election next year and I'm hoping that someone will run against him (Herman Cain?) and send him back home. Unfortunately, we're stuck with Chambliss until 2015!

The police power is now being used to allow women (and some unethical doctors) to kill their babies.

Since the majority of Americans are pro life, wouldn't that plank help the Republicans?

Why is it that anytime the "A" word can be applied to a story Boortz begins to show the intellectual sophistication of Cynthia McKinney?

This woman is so NOT conservative on numerous large issues. She even has the endorsement of goofy leftist groups. But how does Boortz conclude this blog? By bringing up the "forbidden" topic thus implying that her position on that issue is the main reason she's lost support with the conservative base.

Fact is, the issue is important to many but not to the degree Boortz thinks. I am against "A", but I would gladly vote for Boortz for any position he'd run for. I'd love to live in an America that was being run so well that I could make a vote based upon this one issue! But the fact is, we live in a 2-party nation and the Republicans are the closest one to supporting liberty and freedom. For them to put up someone like Dede just makes it seem like our only hope of restoring this nation is done for. It's like the Republicans officially gave up. I'd rather see people vote for the 3rd party guy and end up with the democrat in the seat than hand it to Dede.

Dear Neal,
I believe you simply can't stand conservatives. If a conservative stands up you scream "abortocentrist" and say we will cause the downfall of this republic. If you had just a smidge of intellectual integrity you'd see that conservatives are not new to the scene; we haven't changed at all. In fact; we are what the Republican party has been for a long time. The only true change over the last few years are people such as yourself and the new Republican party who don't really have a set of standards. You're version of right and wrong is based on what makes you feel good at the time. Maybe this is the end of the republic as we know it, but to a conservative, voting for a liberal or a liberal light isn't much of a choice. Maybe if people such as yourself weren't so dead set on protecting abortion rights, the Republicans could stand a chance. You one issue voters are killing the Republican party.