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OBAMA HASN'T DEFEATED CONSERVATISM

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Neal Boortz
@ October 29, 2009 8:38 AM Permalink | Comments (29) | TrackBacks (0)

There is a column from the UK declaring that despite his rock star election, Barack Obama has failed to defeat conservatism in America. That's not just based on his opinion, it is based on Gallup poll trends since 2004. Like these for instance:

  • Perceptions that there is too much government regulation of business and industry jumped from 38% in September 2008 to 45% in September 2009.

  • The percentage of Americans saying they would like to see labor unions have less influence in the country rose from 32% in August 2008 to a record-high 42% in August 2009.

  • Public support for keeping the laws governing the sale of firearms the same or making them less strict rose from 49% in October 2008 to 55% in October 2009, also a record high. (The percentage saying the laws should become more strict -- the traditionally liberal position -- fell from 49% to 44%.)

  • The percentage of Americans favoring a decrease in immigration rose from 39% in June/July 2008 to 50% in July 2009.

  • The propensity to want the government to "promote traditional values" -- as opposed to "not favor any particular set of values" -- rose from 48% in 2008 to 53% in 2009. Current support for promoting traditional values is the highest seen in five years.

  • The percentage of Americans who consider themselves "pro-life" on abortion rose from 44% in May 2008 to 51% in May 2009, and remained at a slightly elevated 47% in July 2009.

  • Americans' belief that the global warming problem is "exaggerated" in the news rose from 35% in March 2008 to 41% in March 2009.

Now remember that being a Conservative and being a Republican are very different. And they will continue to diverge so long as the Republican Party hangs on to this obsession with women's reproductive parts. But 2010 will be the test to see if conservatism translates into votes for Republicans ... or where else will they turn?

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  • libertarianism and abortion
    One must make their belief on abortion logically prior to their view on libertarianism. This is critical to understand because, if that is true, then libertarianism does not inform one's view on abortion - in other words, if someone believes that human life begins at conception, then libertarianism would state that that life (ie their freedom and individuality) must be 'protected'. If someone believes that life begins with viability, then the woman's freedom must be 'protected'

    This is where Neal is confused (and will continue to be confused if he is unwilling to educate himself on this point): Logically speaking, one's view on abortion will inform one's view on libertarianism - which is why you can be libertarian and pro-life!

    This is why Reagan succeeded - he championed freedom - for as early as he believed life began.
    By John-Philip @ 10/30/09 09:44:37 AMreport abuse
  • @ECC
    Again, in spite of the pleas of many on this board, you still ignore the question as to where Rush is not aligned with the conservative platform. At this point, I can only assume you do not answer because you do not have an answer, and are merely grandstanding for no discernable purpose. Maybe you are too brainwashed by the media? Who knows, but you are no longer credible.
    By Twistedsaint @ 10/30/09 08:07:31 AMreport abuse
  • Conservative
    So half the country supports using police power to forcibly prevent a woman from killing a baby in her womb ? Now how is this "obsession" bad for the Republicans ? Neal your thinking is usually better than it is on this topic. Just plain weak. Oh and I am never going to listen to you again so there.
    By Fred L. Merritt Jr. @ 10/29/09 05:22:36 PMreport abuse
  • Re Club_A_Liberal: You're the Idiot
    I am all in favor of women not receiving child support if they are pro-abortion. They can't have it both ways either.
    By Common Sense @ 10/29/09 04:57:00 PMreport abuse
  • @ ECC/NCC
    The only reaction you ever seem to get on this board is ridicule and contempt--and you act surprised? What a tool.

    Let me help you a little bit: nobody cares about your self-righteous crusade against Rush. You, the ECC/NCC bipolar lunatic is leading a one-man movement against Rush? Please, spare us this drivel and go back to the democrap party where you and your ilk belong.
    By $mooth Operator @ 10/29/09 04:10:58 PMreport abuse
  • Scott you are still lost
    Being libertarian does not mean you personally believe in abortion. But if the law is on the books, we don't think you have the right to preach at people about it. If you don't believe in abortion then don't get one.

    We have to get fiscally conservative people in government. If a few slip in that are also anti-abortion it's no biggie to me. As long as they legally go about changing the laws before bashing everyone. I don't think we can have ANY freedom until we get fiscal freedom. Are you going to let that one issue keep us from working to get the progressives (the real danger) out of Washington?
    By Joyce M/Blythe @ 10/29/09 02:50:37 PMreport abuse
  • Read your own Nuze Neal
    Half the country considers themselves pro life.

    Now when you consider late term abortions and all of that. It is the Democrats that are wildly out of line.
    By Ed H @ 10/29/09 02:27:13 PMreport abuse
  • Read the next article
    Not looking so good for socially-liberal Libertarians is it? (See next article You Are Probably A Libertarian) -- If this survey is any indication, then you probably aren't.

    • The propensity to want the government to "promote traditional values" ... rose from 48% to 53% ... the highest seen in five years.¨

    • The percentage of "pro-life" Americans rose from 44% to 51% and remained at 47% in July 2009.¨

    Peggy Noonan put it so well, "... with conception something begins. What do you think it is? A car? A 1948 Buick?" Why equivocate on life? Why not be responsible for your actions instead?
    By Scott @ 10/29/09 02:14:03 PMreport abuse
  • The Great One
    Liberty and Tyranny: A Conservative Manifesto

    Mark Levin puts it all out there!
    By Cav Trooper @ 10/29/09 01:59:08 PMreport abuse
  • Boortz, You are an Idiot
    The only person obsessed with “woman’s reproductive rights” is you. Who on the GOP side has even mentioned abortion in the past year? For Pete’s sake, the GOP had a Presidential candidate, who during the campaign, didn’t even bring up the fact that Obama was the only one to vote against the Born Alive Act twice. For Christ’s aka X’s (as some idiot posting on the board yesterday said) sake, this was a case where a baby is actually ALIVE after a botched abortion and the doctor leaves the baby on a shelf in the supply room to die. The purple-lipped Community Organizer voted for that infanticide. Even NARAL and the Pro-death people like Boxer and Feinstein found the practice appalling. Yet, McCain didn’t even bring it up. So, you have the absolute ignorance to say that “as long as GOP keeps focusing on womens reproductive rights”…blah blah. Seriously, are you this dense, or are you just here to choke our chains?
    As for women’s reproductive rights, then I assume you should agree that there should be no required child support payments to women since abortion is allowed. Afterall, it was the women’s “right to choose” to give birth, just as it is her right to kill the baby and not give birth. So then, if she chooses to give birth, then why should a man be required to pay for that child if it was the women’s choice, and not his???? You abortionists can’t have it both ways.
    By Club-a-Liberal @ 10/29/09 01:41:07 PMreport abuse
  • Neal, Neal, Neal....
    Abortion is not the problem. The GOP has been anti-abortion for as long as I can remember. Even when they are completely in power there is little they can do about abortion. The problem with the GOP is that when they are voted in to power, they spend like democrats. They enact new entitlements. They decrease state power and strengthen federal power. In other words, republicans turn into democrats when they are in power....the only difference being that they lower income tax rates slightly.

    I am pro-abortion and I can tell you that it is not the GOP's abortion stance that gives me pause about voting for them in the future.
    By varelse @ 10/29/09 01:34:32 PMreport abuse
  • East Coast/NC Phony Speaks Again
    Conservatism hijacked??? Yeah, by idiot moderates/libs like you.

    OK, you phony East Coast/NC Conservative. I have asked you numerous times to please enlighten us and tell us what part of the conservative (radical as you call it) agenda do you think is off base and radical? This is now the 10th time I have asked you, where is Rush or other talk radio guys off base on an issue? Name some damn issues, you phony. You keep talking in these generic terms. You talk about “proposed ideas”…what were your proposed ideas? Specifics, please.
    By Club-a-Liberal @ 10/29/09 01:21:26 PMreport abuse
  • Well ECC
    Why don't you post your "platform" here.

    And why can't you see how much damage your deflection is causing?
    By Joyce M/Blythe @ 10/29/09 01:16:33 PMreport abuse
  • @East Coast Conservative
    I'd like to see that platform list you mention. You have yet to answer my question about how Rush's ideas are not conservative-- or rather, which of his ideas do not agree with them.
    By Twistedsaint @ 10/29/09 01:01:21 PMreport abuse
  • Conservatism Hijacked
    Obama will never defeat conservatism, however it is under attack from the extreme right of the Republican party that I have started to call the Talk Radio faction.

    Two days ago I prepared a proposed idea of what the party's platform should look like. I then showed this to a number of people I know who are rabid Rush followers.

    Needless to say they tore the platform idea to shreds throwing out all kinds of rhetoric and several even said that they could not support it because Rush never would. Then I hit them with the big suprise.

    I used ONE source for developing the platform idea: the first book written by, guess who?, Rush Limbaugh.

    I think this is another illustration of how radical the extreme is getting and how even Rush has changed from a conservative spokesperson to an extremist wannabe poltical boss who enjoys too much deferece by party officials.

    Conservatism doesn't have anything to fear from its political enemies, it is conservatism's alleged friends that pose the biggest threat.
    By East Coast Conservative @ 10/29/09 12:41:44 PMreport abuse
  • Tax credit - first time home buyers
    Now that they are extending the tax credit for first-time home buyers; is the government going to get the money back from the people who fraudulently claimed the credit last time around. Also, how will government insure cheats will not be receiving $8,000 in credit this time around. Government doesn't care what it does with my money.
    By meme2 @ 10/29/09 12:05:02 PMreport abuse
  • conservatives
    The only political party that I see with an obsession with the abortion issue is the Democrats.They have a definite litmus test.Repubs never discuss it until it is brought up.Its settled law,Neal,why do you keep bringing it up?
    As far as defeating conservatives,if we could just get all of the Christians to show up at the polls on election day,we would always have a conservative in office.
    By mailman @ 10/29/09 11:55:28 AMreport abuse
  • Obssession w/ women's reproductive parts?
    Really? There currently exists an institutionalized “open-secret” dichotomy in contemporary U.S. society: (a) Feminists and their duplicitous chivalrous male politician counterparts have enhanced the “sanctity” of motherhood to the point where fathers have been relegated to sperm-donors & part-time caretakers at best and ambulatory wallets at worst, i.e., Fathers have no rights during a pregnancy but financial obligations, with token rights, afterwards; yet (b) modern society blithely also allows these same individuals to unilaterally exercise their "reproductive rights" 1.4M times (30% of all children conceived) annually (w/o considering the corresponding responsibilities) by aborting, committing infanticide & outright abandoning their children for purely capricious & arbitrary reasons. This is perfectly “normal” behavior for the latest generation of the virtuous gender.

    The debate about pro-choice vs. pro-life is bogus; it’s really pro- irresponsible woman vs. pro-fetus. The Roe v. Wade decision of 1973 gives women the exclusive, unilateral right to opt out of parenthood or have children (37% of the time out of wedlock) are invariably “entitles” them to child custody, child support, housing assistance, medical care and alimony. Their near monopoly WRT child custody results in women committing the majority of all child abuse.

    It doesn’t sound like men are the “empowered” gender in the grand scheme of things.

    Try viewing this issue form both sides.
    By Demosthenes @ 10/29/09 11:05:10 AMreport abuse
  • Obsession
    The Republican Party has more widespread problems than just this obsession with the Forbidden Subject. It's more about a general perception of the party as a group of authoritarian moralizers who would rather expand government to enforce their own religious opinions, instead of paying attention to the principle of limited government on which this country was founded. The problem is that so many Republicans are NOT conservatives, but traditionalists. Support for anti-abortion zealots is only one example of this. Other examples include school prayer, supporting drug prohibition, and criminalizing certain sex acts between consenting adults. Until the Republican Party abandons these trivialities and returns to its core principles of upholding the constitution, promoting economic liberty, and defending individual rights, it will be doomed to sit on the sidelines. This is as it should be.
    By Cameron @ 10/29/09 10:58:04 AMreport abuse
  • You were rockin’ right along…then BAM, sidetracked on abortion.
    The fatal divergence with the GOP and what I call conservatism is with fiscal responsibility and where the domestic sphere of the federal government ends. President Reagan proved abortion is really a side issue back when I was on the bellybutton window side. It’s great for yanking chains either way, but way down most people’s list of critical issues. The flinty core on both sides of this issue are women.

    If you look behind strongly pro-life or pro-abortion men, more often than not you’ll find women that are even more so. Most of us men are natural pigs, tending towards sowing far and wide and praying for crop failure. It’s usually the women and their ways that keeps our inner pig from getting too far out of line. Most of our 'silly' and 'quaint' social customs were developed to tame the men and to protect women and children from the base nature of men.
    By CowboyUp @ 10/29/09 10:39:04 AMreport abuse
  • polls
    It's interesting about these polls. I get hit pretty regulary and the other day day I'm giving my opinion, that's quite negative towards Obama, and interestingly enough their computers started failing and the questionaire ended.
    By ping @ 10/29/09 10:37:02 AMreport abuse
  • New York Times article
    Obama is complaining in a New York Times article coming out on Sunday that he is mad about the treatment he got when spending $10 million to go to dinner and a Broadway show with his wife last spring. He said he was just honoring a campaign promise to her. What about all the campaign promises he made to all of us???
    By Kelly @ 10/29/09 10:06:19 AMreport abuse
  • There you go again Neal....
    I've been reading this blog every day for over ten years. Haven't had much opportunity to listen because local station presence has been sporadic at best. For many of those years the only mention of abortion was to say that you don't talk about it. Why have you abandoned that philosophy in the last 6-12 months? Two days in a row you harp on it. I've enjoyed the last ten years of reading...don't mess it up now.
    By Skip Mayfield @ 10/29/09 10:04:38 AMreport abuse
  • Ditto what Randy said
    And it has NOTHING to do with the A word Neal. It has to do with politicians calling themselves Republicans but voting to spend like a....... oh I don't know, a LIBERAL!
    By Joyce M/Blythe @ 10/29/09 09:47:36 AMreport abuse
  • Republican Party Obsession?
    Neal, you claim the GOP is obsessed with the one topic you forbid discussion on. Can you name for me a single prominent national GOP figure that is running on an abortion platform, or even making it a prominent piece of their campaign? One?

    Perhaps you aren't talking of the GOP contenders for President. Ok, what part of the party apparatus is pushing the abortion issue as an issue of prominence. Don't dishonestly cite some affiliated group (like Nat'l Right to Life), you're talking about the GOP, so I want to hear about the GOP.

    I don't think you can. The person with the obsession, Neal, is you, and as painful as that truth may be to you, as the High Priest, you ought to quit projecting this issue.
    By Richard Murray @ 10/29/09 09:40:02 AMreport abuse
  • "Defeated" Conservatism? Obama?
    On the contrary; if anything he's awakened it, and he sure as hell can't blame THAT on Bush. If Obama had undertaken his agenda with the slightest bit of self-control, had maybe concentrated on the economy more than the healthcare seizure, he probably wouldn't be experiencing the most dramatic plunge in approval ratings since Herbie Hoover. Now, that being stated....why WOULD Obama have bothered to go about his job with any sense of moderation? It's not his intention to solve crises, but to tear America down by its economic roots, so he can rebuild it country in his socialist-Marxist image. I swear, it wouldn't surprise me to see the dollar outlawed, and a new currency issued. And gee whiz, I wonder who's face will adorn our new tender?
    That is why 2010 is probably the most important midterm election since the 1800s, and that is why Obama can only blame himself when he's faced with a republican onslaught next November: because he has done the polar opposite of "defeating conservatism".
    By Randy @ 10/29/09 09:08:35 AMreport abuse
  • Geeze... here we go again!
    "Now remember that being a Conservative and being a Republican are very different..."

    After reading that line I was expecting one of Boortz' insightful comments on the Republican party's tendency to through conservatives under the bus for an uninspiring RINO like McCain, Powell, Snowe, or Chafee. I thought it would be a comment on how an empowered Republican party abandons its core principles and spends like a drunken democrat and neglects our borders.

    But what did Boortz turn it into? A slam on the party's stand on the forbidden issue. Call me crazy, but didn't we just have a Republican president with 5 years worth of Republican congressional leadership and the laws on the issue hardly changed? I don't even remember much discussion on this between 2001 and 2006.

    No, according to Boortz the real big problem between conservatives and Republicans is the "A" word. And which of those two groups takes which side of the issue? He complains that Republicans are obsessed with banning it, yet the wonderful Dede from New York is a big supporter. So how does that fit into this equation?
    By Steve @ 10/29/09 08:55:57 AMreport abuse
  • Obsession with women's reproductive parts
    Neal it's not an obsession with the aim of controlling someone else's life- that's the way of the Democrats. Very simply it's a recognition that despite what may be politically correct or trendy there is a life growing in that uterus. You can deny it all you wish- that doesn't make it any less true. Do I want to subjugate women or allow others to do so? Not at all. I just want it understood that life exists well before you cut the cord and that individual ever so tiny and frail has a right to be given a chance at the very thing we take for granted...freedom.
    By I'm a fan @ 10/29/09 08:50:58 AMreport abuse
  • Its not the policy of conservatives
    Any person who votes liberal could tell you this. It isnt the policy of the conservatives, it is the people who run on the conservative side. Trust me, everybody wants less taxes, that is a no-brainer. But so long as people that make charles manson look normal are runnin on the conervative platform, they wont win.
    By Brian Fantana @ 10/29/09 08:49:54 AMreport abuse
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