Jack - Yes. I think it is 100% unfair theft for me to use the deadly force of government to take money from you in order to pay for public schools for my kids.

Also - if I'm irresponsible and have 10 kids without the ability to raise them properly, then how exactly does relying on the government to support me through taxing your money teach me to be a more responsible member of society?

In other words: Is there anything in the government budget you would cut? Not libraries, parks, beaches, bike trails, jogging paths, etc. Gotta have 'em all. If government didn't waste so much friggin' money on art depicting Christ in urine, bridges to nowhere, and a zillion failing social programs, then maybe I might trust them a little.

Taxing Cadillac plans is only the tip.

The statists are looking at ways to tax your Flexible Spending Account (FSA), too.

And they justify taxing your FSA in order to pay for healthcare reform.

Yup! Government wants to take my money which I use responsibly to pay for my healthcare, and redistribute my money for ObamaCare.

See a video here:
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=534719460924

Read about it here:
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=2829

Or here:
http://jec.senate.gov/republicans/public/_files/SenateFinanceBillWillEffectivelyEliminateFSAs101509.pdf

I suspect they will try to tax any element of your healthcare (medical, flex account, dental, vision, etc.), then turn around and preach about how they are trying to improve your healthcare AT THE SAME TIME.

Someone explain to me why cadillac plans should be taxed?

Hey for the most part I like your ideas... as sarcastic as they are. You are on the right track, buddy.

Here's a good quote for you "I swear to never live my life for the sake of another or ask someone else to live his life for the sake of mine."

I know you like to get all emotional and say let's just not care about anybody (sarcastically, I know) blah blah blah....but you still make no attempt to justify stealing from someone to give it to someone else.

And lastly, what mostly makes me sick about your kind is you are all high and "moral" when it comes to someone else's money. Never quite the same with your own, though.

It's so simple Jack, citizens for the most part vote directly for or against local taxes (property and sales) plus local reps can't hide and for the most part you know were they live. If a state rep does something boneheaded, I can hop in my car and go to my state capital in a couple of hours and get in his face. How many people can get an appointment with your Congressmen or Senator(unless your a lobbyist, not many) My point is local and state reps can be held closer in check than the feds. I am an American living in America, and I like my health care just the way it is, if I wanted Canadian health care I would move there.

You don't seem to know what you are talking about. For me, taxes are taxes. I don't care if they are local (i.e. school), federal (i.e roads, parks), or state. If it comes out of my paycheck or
bank account, and goes to the government as a tax, it's a tax.

So to me, schooling, fire services, parks, are no more or no less important than health care services.

And I'm a Canadian living in the States. I am intimately familiar with both the Canadian "socialized" health care system and the American "private insurance based" health care system. My challenge to anyone who believes the talk show hosts about how awful the Canadian system is to go to Canada and ask real Canadians if they'd be willing to trade their system (and taxes) with what we have in America. You won't find many who'd trade their "so called awful" system with what that talk show hosts call the best healthcare system in the world. AMerican healthcare system is great, if you can afford it. If you can't the system fails misrably. Too many people can't afford it even though they work hard.

your mixing federal and local taxes your post in senseless.

Haven't worked in the past -

Isn't one definition of insanity "repeating the same action over and over while expecting the outcome to be different"?

The Ultimate Solution

Many people want the government to provide no healthcare whatsoever, to anyone. No Medicare, no prescription drug plans, nothing. If you are rich you buy better insurance coverage and if you don't earn too much you get less. Every person is responsible for himself or herself. And if you have a pre-existing condition or was sick once, then "c'est la vie", you get no insurance. If you don't have lots of money, and develop a life-threatening illness, then funeral planning is not a bad thing.

Let's take this a step further. Let everyone pay for their own schooling. Eliminate all school taxes. If you have no kids, then you pay nothing. If you have 10 kids, then you foot the whole bill for all 10 kids to go to school. Or, some of the kids get no schooling whatsoever. If only 30% of the kids are educated it's no big deal. If you're wealthy, then all your children can get primary and secondary schooling.

While we're at it, let's eliminate free fire services. Why should taxpayer dollars be used to send a bunch of fire trucks and fire fighters out to your house or business to attempt to salvage as much of your property as possible. If a fire breaks out, you must first prove that you have insurance or money to pay for the cost of the trucks, equipment, and labor, else we'll just "let it burn".

And everytime you call the police, you gotta pay for it. Why should the police (i.e taxpayers) pay for the investigation of, say, a burglary, that only affects you and your property. You have insurance to cover your losses, don't you?

And let's introduce user fees to anyone that ever sets foot in a park or beach. No more free trips to a park, beach, bike trails, jogging paths, etc that is maintained by the taxpayers. Not everyone enjoys parks or beaches so why should everyone pay for it?

Ditto for libraries. Not everyone likes to read. Why does everyone pay for it.

Let's eliminate welfare, food stamps, and even unemployment insurance. Let's eliminate government run pensions. Let's stop taxing people for these services.

And let's get rid of all business requlations, except if safety is involved. Banks can do what they want. Businesses can sell goods and services in any manner they please. No more import, export regulations (unless safety or a threat is involved).

Let's go all the way. Freedom and liberty comes first, not taxes and government control. Now we're speaking your language. Maximum freedom, minimal government control - as close to Utopia as we can get.

I dont get it. Why do conservatives love taxes?

Generally, the employee has a choice of plans so if they want the higher priced one and the employer is subsidizing or in some cases paying 100% why is the government going to penalize a business for taking care of it's employees? Isn't that what they want is for business to take care of the workers? Some people have health issues that require so-called cadillac plans to cut down on the out of pocket expenses that would be a lot higher in their cases. So the government is going to "save" them by giving them a lower qualify plan for less money (yeah right) but their out of pocket expenses are going to skyrocket.

Yeah, makes sense to me!