You can add another Floridian who will say "NO" to Crist. A RINO of the genus odiferous countryclubus.

I really haven't seen where we have been helped much by the tea party or townhall protests. It seems to have valdiated the notion that we're all nuts. I talk about this stuff to people at work everyday and it's sad to see moderates leaning democrat since we're not promoting a message or showing leadership.
By East Coast Conservative

Now I have to take issue with you on that. The Tea Party's are great. They have opened the eyes of people from all parties, not just Republicans. They have served to get us more involved and educated about what Washington is doing or not doing.

It is a truly American thing! I am proud of them and glad to have participated in one, hope to again. You should try it, even just as an observer, I think you would change your mind.

Alright everybody stop arguing two different points on the same topic. 3mbw, you're going to have to explain Grover Cleveland. He was the only president to serve two terms NONCONSECUTIVELY. That is the scenario put forth. It has nothing to do with the constitutional amendment limiting the President to two terms.

Yeesh.

And the point 3mbw was making was a long shot at best anyway. It could happen constitutionally. There's about a .01% chance it will.

"The reason you are now attacking me is because I called you out for the phony that you are."

The only phony you exposed was yourself.

"do you think that the GOP would have had anyone step up to the plate to the voice the opinion of millions of conservatives?"

We don't have anyone to do that now, that's part of the problem. That's why we need to start to find and promote our 2012 primary candidates now.

I want a conservative elected and sworn in on Jan 20, 2013. However, the childish antics of some in talk radio and people like yourself (Club-a-Liberal? You handle screams immaturity) are making that job harder.

"Do you think that there would have been any tea parties or townhall protests"

I really haven't seen where we have been helped much by the tea party or townhall protests. It seems to have valdiated the notion that we're all nuts. I talk about this stuff to people at work everyday and it's sad to see moderates leaning democrat since we're not promoting a message or showing leadership.

To be someone who states concern with the deficit and then hopes republican's gain control is to be a walking contradiction.

FYI - projected deficit on Jan 19, 2009 - $1.2t.

You've been sold a lie. name the last republican president who left office with the debt and deficit lower than when he left. Then name the last democrat who hasn't.

(answer: Ike and LBJ respectively)

I don't think I'd be so fast to give him so much credit. Look at his Congress. Who wrote the bills?

The best thing he ever did was "just sign it Bill" and stay out of the way.

3mbw, I believe Jeffery is referring to YOUR statement as follows: "unless of course the constitution is amended to remove the term limits for President."

AMENDING THE CONSTITUTION --- TERM LIMITS

Okay?

If they ever do away with term limits for President then just hang it up, cause the special interest lobbyists will make it almost impossible to get him out. Not so much the voters, as those willing to sell their vote.

We need term limits for Congress!

“Are you assuming that the Dems will do away with the consecutive two-term limits applied to the POTUS?”

Oh goody, another conservative that can’t read.

For the THIRD time. The Obama election in 2016 I was referring to was part of the “Grover Cleveland” scenario where the American people make a serious mistake and elect a Republican in 2012 who will effectively be a pawn of Rush.

Four more years of Cheney/Bush polices will put the country back into the basement again and set the stage for Obama to be elected to a SECOND term in 2016.

Come on conservatives, if you are going to try to rebut something, at least get it right.

Is it any wonder we don't want any conservative anywhere near the White House?

"cap and trade has huge support among his base."

I think it's too soon to tell about that. We've all been so tied up talking about health care, that we may find a lot of people have changed their minds about cap & trade. Especially when they see it may cost them their re-election, cause I don't think mainsteam America wants that crap.

Home from Iraq, yeah good, but then we just in with both feet into Afghanistan!?? That originally received support, but rumblings are growing about that being just as big a disaster.

So both those items are changing, too soon to call.

I read exactly what you wrote. I know 10 year-olds that can form a more coherent sentence than you. Nice try, though. I almost made more sense than half the stuff you post here. As for "thinking for myself," you should try taking your own advice. Anyone who steps outside his or her own ego and "feelings" for half a second can see that Obama is a fraud. I don't need or want FOX or Rush Limbaugh to tell me that--- I just watch and listen to The One, himself. I have yet to hear him prove he has an ounce of character, or an IQ above 100.

First off the only reason that Obama actually was elected in the first place is because he is black.

Consider -- going into the 2008 elections it was pretty much a given no Republican was going to win, the people had 8 years of Bush and that was enough. So a Democrat was going to win.

Then the Democrats put their hats into the ring, Queen Hillary expected she wouldn't even have to campaign to win, just like she "won" her Senate seat in New York. This didn't really sit well with the Independents.

So up comes this articulate, poised, black man against Hillary. First the other non-competes (Biden, etc) drop out and we have basically a two way race - a white woman that many people don't like and a black man? And the media goes on and on about "the historic event". They knew a Dem would win, woman or minority.

We know from polling that the black base of the Democratic party went heavily for Obama and the Independents all "wanted to be part of the historic event", thus, he was elected BECAUSE he is black.

Now fast forward to 2012, what is going to happen? This one is my prediction:

Obama is going to lose the 2012 elections. People aren't going to want to send a man back to the White House that they can not criticize with out being accused of being racists. This isn't going to sit well at all with his most rabid acolytes.

For those of you that follow the doomsday prophecies, there's a big one set to go off on or around Dec 21, 2012.

So, I think what will happen is after the courts rule on every precinct that doesn't go Obama and gets challenged -- expect it -- riots will break out across the country. Then Obama will declare marshal law and suspend the Constitution (merely a formality since he ignores it anyway) to be able to "restore order".

Once suspended, he'll not step down and his army of worshipers will just want to keep it that way.

That's my theory anyway.

You complain about me and Smooth while at the same time you call us childish names? The reason you are now attacking me is because I called you out for the phony that you are.

You keep saying that Rush and the evil talk radio hosts are "bringing us down". I will ask you AGAIN a couple of questions:

(1) What specific topics do you think Rush and the talk radio hosts are wrong on?

(2) Where does Levin, Rush, etc. break from the conservatism you say you are for?

(3) if it were not for talk radio, do you think that the GOP would have had anyone step up to the plate to the voice the opinion of millions of conservatives? Do you think that there would have been any tea parties or townhall protests which have proved to be more effective in stopping the runaway Statist train than anyone's wildest imagination?

let me see if I understand your view...

the economic boom of the 90's was built on lies.

and the Bush economic record was good except for the one thing he couldnt fix.

and that one thing was protected by democrats and acorn.

and obama is somehow a part of that by being a huge player in acorn.

um.. you and ivan might want to start like a secret club. you could make your own handshakes, jackets....you'd love it. might get you out of the house more too...

the economy under Clinton was based upon a bunch of lies called dot coms...kind of like the lies you guys perpetrated on the housing industry to secure loans for people that had no business getting them. it just so happened they failed after Bush took office. Also, 9-11 and several major hurricanes didn't help.
the economy may or may not be recovering...time will tell...but it definitely has nothing to do with Obama.
Even with these hurdles the economy under Bush did rather well...at least my 401K says it did. if the dems hadn't meddled into the economy via securing housing loans for their constituents then we wouldn't have experienced the problems we have now. Bush tried to fix it before it crashed only to be stopped by Frank, Dodd and company. ACORN was a huge part of this problem...and should I mention Obama was a huge player in ACORN?

"In 2016, Obama will defeat the Rushbot in a landslide election that will resemble the defeat of Jimmy Carter by Ronald Reagan in 1980 and will result in at least 12 years of Democratic control of the White House as Obama’s VP will then go on to serve 2 terms, unless of course the constitution is amended to remove the term limits for President."

Are you assuming that the Dems will do away with the consecutive two-term limits applied to the POTUS? If so, then, also assuming, if Obama makes it to 2016, there will be NO HOPE of retrieving America.

I personally elieve that if We the People don't make a REAL change in 2010, then we're screwed and the Big R will only be a matter of time....I was just trying to think positive in that we actually have until 2016 (which I don't believe we do).

~Jeffrey

"The pattern of history is that the Dems get us into trouble and the Repubs get us out."

Let's see, we had a growing economy under Clinton, then Republican Bush came along and the economy tanked.

Now we're starting to see signs of recovery and conservatives talk about the people letting the republicans back in charge? Forget that.

what was it about the falling stock market or the credit crunch that conservatives find so appealing?

Crist is history, Grayson is history, 3mbw,3mbw , protein spill on aisle 3,by the VCRs

Marco Rubio in 10,that's the ticket

Obviously the same thing the snorter in cheif in snorting.

Any thinking person knows Obama's dirty.
He's a Magna Cum Laude graduate of the Chicago School of Politics. He's tight with Acorn, Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers, etc..
It's only a matter of time before the big Obama scandle hits and it may happen before conservatives even have a chance to defeat his corrupt ass in 2012.

Let's look at some basic facts.

AFter the onslaught of opposition and a huge march on washington to protest his policies, the president's approval rating is where reagan's was at this point in his presidency - 52 percent (and climbing)

But, you think that if the economy does improve and unemployment goes down and he can point to a healthcare reform bill being passed, a cap and trade bill being passed, an immigration bill passed, and the majority of combat troops home from Iraq .... you think he'd not have a really strong chance at winning in 2012?

It's obviously too soon to tell who the GOP candidate would be but, look at where overall GOP numbers are now. Look at how the public views GOP congressional opposition to health care reform...

If you think you have a slam dunk in 2012...well, as a partisan - great! it will make it easy. But, objectively speaking, you have a long road to hoe to get to the oval office in 2012.

and my hunch is any immigration reform efforts will end up splintering your party so badly, you won't have any solid coalition around a single candidate or set of policies.

By 2012 Jimmy Jr.'s policies will have the misery index back to 20% unless he is stopped by massive democrat losses in congress in 2010. At which point he will be a one term wonder just like Sr.. If 2010 puts the brakes on him we will still be in double digits on the misery index, it'll just be a question of if the democrats can continue to place all the blame on the republicans. Unfortunately it is to much to hope for that the libertarians would make some inroads, America is to busy letting the people behind the dems and gop buy their votes.

The GOP better not think of having this Crist play a major role in the future. He is the ultimate RINO. They need to rid the party of guys like this. This guy is a panderer of the worst order. Whichever way the winds are blowing, he follows. Following the election, when many of the GOP were sulking and were wondering of the future direction of the party, many were talking of this guy playing a prominent role because they felt that the party needs to move to the center (actually, the party has been in the center).

Don't forget, he was the final nail that gave us McCain. Guilliani spent a month in FL before the primary. Crist stabbed him in the back and endorsed McCain. Exit polls showed that his endorsement was critical. McCain winning FL buried not only Rudy, but pretty much ended Romney's chance.

But all black peeps will have to blame Obama's Audocity("social justice"), as to why Whites will be afraid to elect another black(half) in a Very Long time. Obama has left a bad taste in my mouth. I wanted a black president, but this has scared me for the future. Also, being from Florida, not interested in Charlie Crist Either for Senate Run in 2010.

In 2016, Obama will be re-elected? Really? I was under the impression that our Constitution only allowed for two terms; 2016 would make three. But it's irrelevant, anyway, as I see no way short of MASSIVE voter fraud that this guy will be around for a second term... unless the RNC decides to run McCain again (which wouldn't surprise me). At any rate, I doubt the O will go unchallenged in his own party for 2012. Could be interesting to see which Dem is ready to cut him off at the knees.

Crist probably believes that Obama won't win a second term because Crist believes he will be our next president. I suppose Crist plans to abandon the senate seat he is seeking after abandoning the governors mansion to run for the senate

Whats all this talk about the 2012 AND 2016 elections? I thought the Mayan's said the world was going to end in Dec 2012 anyway??

:D

Exactly. If the nation decomposes at a slow enough rate the people will either not notice or will cheer on the decay (i.e. 3mbw). If you damage the nation too fast people will take notice.

I think the bad thing about the current trend towards patriotism with the tea party movement and such will fade away when the nation returns to a state of slow decay. We'll get a RINO in 2012 and suddenly the people won't care enough about liberty and the Constitution enough to protest.

Other than the contries of Africa and South America, I don't see where the rest of the world has elected ANYONE of color, especially in Europe, to the highest office. The UK and Western Europe has been around alot longer than the US and they have had a significant black population for at least as long as the US has been in existence. So, if they want to throw that 'racist' line at us, they should first take a good look in the mirror and at their own 'glass houses'.

I suggest you start breaking the Prozacs in half.

I hope Crist is right, but I am very concerned that we can't make it happen unless we start now.

There needs to be some solid credible faces out there now from which our 2012 primary candidates will emerge. I don't mean Sarah Palin, I don't mean recycling the same bunch as 2008 (although Huckabee seems to have a lot of support here at work). It needs to be people solidly conservative who the left cannot paint as pawns of talk radio.

And the immature behavior of our members, like we see too often on forums like this must stop. Who is going to support a candidate who is supported by such childish people? Smooth Operator and Club-a-Liberal provided examples yesterday how the party "faithful" is cutting its own throat.

Come on people, grow up. Too much is at stake for us to be abdicating our responsibilites and to be putting a childish undesirable face on the party and conservatism.

Charlie is just trying to sound like a Republican after standing on the corner like a common prostitute waiting for Barack "Big Pimpin" Obama to hand out the Stimulus Checks. Marco Rubio in 10.

Too early in the morning for someone to be hitting the crack pipe.

better put that tin foil cap back on.

Concerning the 2012 and 2016 presidential elections. I see two scenarios.

First the Likely Scenario. If we continue to see improvement in the economy and restoration of our country’s strength and moral character, we will reelect the President who led the repair effort.

The second possibility is what I call the “Grover Cleveland” scenario. In this set of circumstances, the American people either are duped or experience a lapse in judgment and elect the Republican candidate instead. Who will this Republican be? We know that given the current state of the Republican Party the candidate will be a right wing extremist under the thumb of Rush Limbaugh. Limbaugh will effectively be the unofficial dictator of the United States because the president will not stand up to him and will take his marching orders from Rush and the “shadow cabinet” of conservative media personalities. We will be the laughing stock of the world with our wacko and weak president under the control of a talk show host and the policies will be like Cheney/Bush in turbo mode.

In 2016, Obama will defeat the Rushbot in a landslide election that will resemble the defeat of Jimmy Carter by Ronald Reagan in 1980 and will result in at least 12 years of Democratic control of the White House as Obama’s VP will then go on to serve 2 terms, unless of course the constitution is amended to remove the term limits for President.

Right now, my money’s on the first scenario. After all, after eight years of a disastrous republican administration that presided over the collapse of our economy and reputation, there are not a lot of people who are looking to put a Republican back in right now. Especially since they apparently are too weak to even express disapproval of a radio host that is doing the party harm without day later going back to him groveling for his forgiveness.