At least Big Africa and Red Leader are consistent.

I don't agree with them but, they are consistently libertarian in their point of view and idea of limited government.

Joyce, Matt, Jeff and others.... You are republican posers. no wonder you love neal...you guys are part of the problem.

I think real conservatives are truly left in the cold now.

libertarians are too socially liberal and republicans are too fiscally liberal.

conservatives (the Reagan kind) are just twisting in the wind.

too bad... they were the grown-ups of your crowd.

again, you have no clue what security means or how to execute on it.

go back to watching 24 and deepening that dent in your sofa.

Yes I mean pull all troops out from just about everywhere. Primarily where congress has not officially and formally declaared war against a tangible enemy. It means Korea, Iraq, Germany...all of them. America can no longer afford to try to police the world anymore with being 11 trillion in debt. The foreign policy is adding billions to the debt every year. The economy is deperately trying to tell us that we are going down the same route as the Soviets and Romans with the police the world mentality. Still maintain trade ties though. Encourage free market trade/capitalism with countries and the encourage travel to other countries and encourage the exchange of ideas with other countries which will make America less isolated than it is right now(just ask the average American to locate Afghanistan on a map). America doesn't have to have troops in places that are not at war with America in order to avoid isolationism. Other countries need to start figuring out their problems on their own without expecting the American tax payer to babysit them. There are countries in the middle east and Asia that will keep rogue nations in check so as to protect their trade avenues and profits. EX: Saudi Arabia,Egypt,Japan and China.

Did I hit a nerve? I get a lot more than you think. I get that you sympathize with the terrorists. These scum can do whatever they please, to whoever they please as far as you are concerned. Daniel Pearl, Nicholas Berg (I was in the middle east at the time so Nick really hit home), hundreds of innocents in planes, or thousands in buildings, but when our people KNOW that a specific individual has information they need to save lives, an individual who has or has attempted or planned to take other peoples lives, YOU don’t want one hair ruffled on their heads. Those are the circumstances that Neal wrote about. Read it, I did. You make it sound like he wants to go to every Mosque and water board anyone that steps through the door. Like so many others in here I called you on it. Can’t take it?

Did I dismiss Red as naïve or give him a chance to come up with something better? Withdrawing from the world isn’t better, its capitulation and your enemies will come after you all that much harder. He asked good questions, I answered with a few facts that MSM hasn’t bothered with and you think I’m dismissing him.

Also, I vote in every election and in every election blind little followers like you keep voting for the same old Republican and Democrat hacks that make things worse year after year. If only enough people would open their eyes and see that truth!

it works by using any means necessary to get information from one person to prevent someone else from being hurt or killed....it really is as simple as that...and if you wouldnt go that extra step to save your family or friends then you are nothing more than something to scrape off the bottom of our shoe... If I took the importance of your comments and shoved them up a gnat's butt they would roll around in there like a BB in a boxcar...very very sad and very very pitiful. are you the same snarky that told the pitiful story about the poor woman that had to actually work to pay for health insurance for her family...sob sob boo hoo? or was that another member of the snarky team?

For those of you who question what the Founding Fathers would have thought, they would have been appalled by:

-The Federal Government
-The People who have forgotten what this country was founded on
-A President and his followers that would not do everything they could to protect, support, and defend the Constitution.

I know everyone was also taught that President (then General) Washington used Biological Warfare (malaria) against his opponents. You knew that didn't you? Waging war means death to your opponents and forcing those who remain to do your will. There is no such thing as touchy-feely war. Either you fight, or go home and shut up. Obama doesn't understand this. Bush only understood to a point. Commit terrorism and you will die must be the loud and clear message. There is no compromise. Otherwise, sit in fear in your house.

BTW- Red Leader. We don't 100% agree, but I ditto your message on securing the boarder. The liars talk out of both sides of their mouth on this one.

Its true that a person being tortured will say anything to stop the pain. This is why anyone accused of heresy by the Catholic Church during the inquisition always ended up pleading guilty so no one knew the truth.
Prison is also torture, physical and psychological torture. How long does anyone think that a young Muslim man will remain a virgin when he's put in the same prison with the AB and MS13?
Waterboarding would be a pleasure in comparison.

@Big Africa – Having seen other posts you’ve made I respect your opinion. So I’m asking, how would pulling our troops back not be isolationism? No argument on closing the borders to illegal crossings, tossing the illegals out or that our current tactics our counterproductive. Maybe I’m just misinterpreting what you wrote to mean pulling all our troops in, when you really meant just out of Afghanistan and maybe Iraq (although that one pretty much won).

@Lane – Dayton local news recently reported a 24 year old punk cut off a 72 year old man with his car. He jumped out with an “Assault Rifle” (actually a semi-auto AK-47) and attempted to rob/car jack the old man. The 72 year old Concealed Carry Weapons permit holder put two slugs in the punk, abdomen and arm. A big rifle means big nothing if the innocent person you plan to murder is armed and shoots your stupid butt first! Virginia Tech should have allowed concealed carry, fewer people would have died!

@Raymond – That law has been on the books and used for many years, just because you were ignorant of it, it scares you. Boo hoo.

@tshirt-doctor.com – Neal doesn’t make fun of people that talk bad about health insurance companies. He does make fun of people that push the same tired, untrue and/or outrageous crap that the Dems are saying to justify their “reforms”. He also makes fun of idiots that try to push the Government Takeover Option and the complete MORONS that think that government has any business telling us we have to take care of the lazy. But I’ve never heard him make fun of someone that calls up with a reasoned argument based on information that hasn’t already been proven false, and by the way, I have heard him make fun of people using untrue and/or outrageous claims to fight the “Government Takeover Option.”

BIG JOE.......I should have included you in my answer to RED.....sorry...

tim, please spare me your "clarification" posts where you prance about sorting through posts and sprinkling your pearls of wisdom upon the other posters here.

you don't get it.

you didnt even catch that I was responding to what neal wrote about this, not what the circumstances were of the case.

and red leader makes a valid point but, you dismiss it as naive?

ridiculous! Neal is a libertarian - make no bones about it (his words, not mine) and red is absolutely taking the libertarian stand on this issue.

and your response is - "Until we stand up to these professional politicians and elect real people to congress it won’t get any better either."

we who? "we" voted....where were you?

oh wait - is this the tired "uneducated masses" "the people dont know the truth" argument?

If only enough people knew the truth!

ok Ivan...

Doc said: "if you don't think they are talking heads for large corporate interests why does neil boortz make fun of whoever talks bad about health insurance companies?"

Because we're even less talking heads of government!

And really, it isn't up to others to decide who's a neocon or not cause frankly, there are too many definitions out there. And I'm not talking about the Webster variety. I know what I am, and don't care what others think about what I am.

So neocon away! I know I trust insurance companies a heck of a lot more than I do the government.

Before the answers –
@Snark – get a grip drip! They caught these jerks with the goods, no profiling, no brown skin crap. You are a COMPLETE loser! You can’t even stay on subject or on target! No one but YOU said anything like that!

@Commoner – Nice twist! Personally I find the idea of chemical interrogation more to my liking than the harsh methods, but I’m not a pro so maybe there are drawbacks I don’t know about. The pig’s blood would probably add a degree or two. I’d rather leave it to the Applied Psych Intel guys that make a living knowing how to get answers from these nutjobs, and I wish congress would too!

Ok. Red’s answers – We can’t abandon these countries to their own devices, they have Oil and we need it. Sucks, but that’s life! Live with it or jump off a building! If you chose to jump, don’t even begin to think I’ll jump with you! We also can’t just depose the dictators and install democracies, please reference Iraq and Afghan clusterf@#ks. We can and do, encourage them to reform; it just hasn’t been getting too far in most places.
Have you been to ANY of these places? I’ve been to Kuwait. Not a bad place really. The Emir has been slowly steering his people into a democracy and away from fanaticism for years, women recently got the right to vote even. So you might want to consider that not all of the “dictators” are as bad as made out, some are even pushing their people in more peaceful directions. In point of fact, from some of the things I’ve heard the Saudi King might want to move away from shari’a law, but he cannot just do it by decree. He works against the religious establishment and some of his own family work against him. His working against shari’a law is one of the reasons bin Laden hates him!
Yes Red, our foreign policy has sucked and still sucks, but what the MSM tells you cannot prepare you to come up with one that is even a little bit better. The professionals muddle through the best they can and we the people get in their way and/or let our politicians get in their way. Should we just isolate ourselves?
As for the borders and illegal aliens here at home, have you bothered to watch congress? Any attempt to fix the borders or address the illegal population runs into the Democratic/Republican anti-cooperation brick wall. Until we stand up to these professional politicians and elect real people to congress it won’t get any better either.

If it meant saving the life of someone you know then every one of you would get out the carving knife so please spare us the holier than thou crap.

Did George W. Bush leave his watch in the White House? Cause for eight years, every single thing that happened with this country happened....."ON BUSH'S WATCH!"

Sorry, liberals. All this stuff is now happening on "OBAMA'S WATCH!". Sucks when your same standards are applied to yourselves, now doesn't it.

TO ALL MY BRUTHAS FROM ANUTHA MUTHA....can I get an AkkkkkkkkkkkMED???....got room fo' one mo' on the high divin' water board.......

With President Obamuppet at the helm, this administration will long be remembered as Change we'd like to forget.

LOL!!

linking your philosophy to how drudge cages a story..

now that IS funny...

the quote ""No world order that elevates one nation or group of people over another will succeed."

See...FUNNY!

Great questions.

To those claiming Obama wants a terrorist attack on American soil, he doesn't want it nearly as badly as GOP die-hards like you and Hannity. You people just can't wait -- as if it will somehow justify the Bush years.

How on earth did we uncover this plot without Chain Dickey torturing people?

BTW GOP nut-jobs, what's the latest on your boy Sean Hannity's promise to undergo waterboarding in order to raise money for the families of the troops? He could do it right on stage during one of his Freedom Concert scams.

You guys are gonna be so pissed when you start learning the truth about all this terrorist mumbo jumbo. Oh did you guys catch the news headline on Drudge today about Obama's UN address? Rofl.

Bush did not "let that assault ban expire". Bush, in fact, supported the ban and publicly declared that he would renew it if it crossed his desk. His Attorney General Ashcroft PUSHED FOR a new AWB. Sorry, but that is one you can't pin on Bush. In fact, the Dems ruled Congress for the last two years AND had a President willing to sign the ban. EVEN NOW, those same conditions exist. So... for the last THREE YEARS, you could say that DEMOCRATS have been unwilling to pass a new AWB.

the presidunce is a scum bag...........he can't even look a blind guy in the eye......drudge page....osamabama and gov patterson......

Everyone knows there's no such thing as an islamic terrorist. Janet Napolitano said so. These people are merely "disenfranchised persons sympathetic to the oversees contingency and their struggle". Why everyone knows the only terrorists are those evil right wing teaparty mobs, right Brian, Snarky and Lane. Those libtards. Ha! Bet you've get all your information re/Bush and Iraq from Huff Po. You would never, like, really, really confuse yourself w/the facts.

Could you lay off the disgusting imagery.
LOL, It's almost time for breakfast out here.

>>>>Drown em'
They should be waterboarded with pig's blood instead of water.<<<<

Commoner, that may be the only smart thought you have had since you started trolling this board.

to answer Neal's question - "How far would you want our government to go in trying to get to the bottom of these threats ... and perhaps save lives? Your response to recommoner, though meant as sarcasm, would not bother me in the least if it meant saving American lifes. Enhanced interrogation - sleep deprivation, waterboarding - is no more than our Marines go through. Is this where you tell me that our American forefathers would be ashamed because somehow I think not. Whatever it takes to save American lives. At least we don't include rape, which seems to be the choice of islamic interrogators.

Of course, any good lib knows that all you have to do to make the terrorists see the error of their ways is to sit down with them over milk and cookies.

Modern FBI Agent: You see, Achmed, when you blow up a busload of people, you don't just kill them. You hurt their feelings, too. You wouldn't like it if someone blew YOU up with a homemade bomb, would you?

Achmed: (wide-eyed, speaking a la Jerry Mathers) Gee, Mr. Agent. I never thought of it that way. Golly, I feel bad, now.

Modern FBI Agent: (patting him on the back) So now, won't you tell me what your little friends are up to? We understand that some of them are planning some sort of explosion somewhere, but darned if we can figure out where it will be.

Achmed: Promise you won't be mad?

Modern FBI Agent: Scout's honor. Here. Have another cookie.

Achmed: Well...(proceeds to tell Agent all he knows about the next terrorist act his fellows have planned)

Modern FBI Agent listens gravely, looking concerned, like Mr. Brady when one of the kids confesses to doing something naughty. At one point, he hands Achmed his handkerchief, so he can wipe his eyes.

Modern FBI Agent: Thank you, Achmed. Don't you feel better now?

Achmed: I sure do, Mr. Agent! And I'll never blow anyone up with a bomb again! And that's a promise!

Modern FBI Agent: Attaboy! Come on, let's go play ball!

Achmed: Swell!

Laugh track and applause swells as the theme song to "Leave It To Beaver" plays in the background.

And that, ladies and gents, is how today's liberals would handle the terrorist threat to our country. And we all know that's exactly how it would turn out, right?

Congrats. That's the largest bumper sticker I've ever seen.

"REPUBLITARDS"!! aaaHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! ROFLMAO!!!! OH, THAT'S RICH!! LOLOLOLOL!!! "REPUBLITARDS"....GENIUS POLITICAL DAGGERS YOU'RE THROWING THERE, BIG GUY!!! OUCH!!!

"REPUBLITARDS"....I GOTTA REMEMBER THAT ONE!!!!!

Bush so geniusly let that assault weapons ban slide. What a better way to keep terrorists from attacking than to let them buy automatic weapons.

Last time I checked you still can not purchase an automatic weapon. Either you know this and are disingenuous and hoping people are ignorant that they do not know that purchasing an assault weapon is not the same as purchasing a automatic weapon.

Also you do you think Thomas Jefferson thought that only the Federal Government is the only ones to have superior weaponry?

I just love to read post by posters like lane meyers, A semi-auto is not a full-auto aka leftist names assault rifle. Ask Jamie Gorelick all about the lengths she went to to allow the 9-11 attacks to happen under Wild bill's admin. No communication between law agencies, etc, As far as the second amendment is concerned it is in place for Americans to defend themselves from a government out of control. I didnt agree with everything GW Bush did but I damn sure think he did one hell of a job taking radical Islam to task for its world wide murder campaign that was left unchecked for thirty some years.
Recently we have had the apprehension of more muslim radicals in this country trying to murder innocents, you can thank the policies of GWB for this, If the left had had its way the man would have never been stopped reentering the country as it would have been profiling or some other assinine rights violation.
What a pathetic weak whining society we have these days, everything is expected to be handed to them nothing is to be earned. Just read these whining posts and see what I mean lol.
SEMPER FI [ Proudly earned by pain and suffering]

Actually Jeff America right now has a Rome AD 11 mentality....and we see how well things ended up for the Roman empire.

Good points...
The answer of course is oil. We are in the Middle East because that is where the resource of oil is located.

If we as a country decided after 9-11 that instead of invading countries we would put US resources towards developing non-carbon based energy, we would likely have true energy independence.

The very second I see a secured border and droves of illegal aliens heading back to their respective countries, then and ONLY then will I believe that America is actually serious about fighting islamic fascism. The same people saying there's a threat are the same ones leaving the border wide open. It defies logic. The understood the threat centuries ago from the Mongols and built the great wall of China. Until the U.S/Mexico border is closed and illegals are heading home, America is wasting the valuable lives and time of our brave men and women in uniform. Those 3rd world people over there have no military with which to strike America, yet the Feds send troops over there instead of simply securing America itself. If you believe in this 'war on terror' garbage, you're simply drinking the cool-aid. For those of you about to call me names, save it for someone who might change their mind, someone you can affect. I am immovable on this position, and there's just no 2 ways about it. WE NEED REAL CONSERVATISM, the conservatism of the people who founded this country that were pro non-interventionism and anti-isolationism.

This administration is more interested in hassling those who are protecting this country ( CIA, Military)than protecting it from further harm. Elections DO have consequences.

Big Joe, when you say the president is "un-American and hates America", you are serving as a caricature of the nutcase right wing extreme and hurting the conservative cause more than helping it. Besides that, it's juvenile . . . no make that second grade . . simpleminded name-calling.

You know what, I get the feeling you're one of these people fantasizing about another 9-11 kind of attack so you can have a field day blaming Obama for it. And that, my friend, is the ultimate in un-American sentiment.

Yeah, Neal, if it weren't for you spreading the truth that these folks are Muslims, everyone would have guessed they were Mormons. Thank goodness for people like you to state what nobody else ever would have figured out.

I mean really, would these people have any other reason to attack us than their religion? Isn't it written in their own books that if you can't convert then you are blessed to destroy them?

If it is written in their own books then we HAVE to address this as a Muslim terrorist problem. Not just a terrorist problem. I don't see Hindus attacking us in large numbers or writing that we have to die. Arab people who are NOT Muslim are not attacking us.

Of course again, how can we take anything seriously as long as our borders are not secure.

and then given a thousand slices with a razor blade and dipped in alcohol!

and then made to freeze and not sleep for weeks.

and then waterboarded with pigs blood and jack daniels!

then they'll talk...those lying scheming muslims...dirty people.

they deserve the worst. all of them!

Does our Homeland Security actually believe they are gonna stop a million+ dangerous, armed, anti-American, foreigners who are running loose and free in our country? They're here for one reason only.......and it's only a matter of time.

HAHAHA, Neal that is a good one, you are on fire. I am sure all the students at Virginia Tech agree with you there. And when Bush so geniusly let that assault weapons ban slide. What a better way to keep terrorists from attacking than to let them buy automatic weapons. I am sure that is what Thomas Jefferson wanted when he was taking 10 minutes to load 1 bullett in his musket. Bush was the biggest weenie w/ National Security and it started w/ him not listening to a report about terrorists using airplanes to attack America. Another way was him building a wall that wasnt nearly long enough across the mexican border.
Thank Goodness, Obama the pirate-sniper cares about the security of Americans

Because it's not a 9/10/2001 mentality, it's a 12/6/1941 one.

The current Administration will be remembered for an unprecedented level of naivete. Over the next few years, they will make Jimmy Carter look like the most pragmatic guy in the world. Sadly, I believe that Americans are going to die because of these ill-founded beliefs. The idea that Terrorists will stop trying to kill us and that tin-hat Dictators will suddenly have a change of heart just because we think the best of their intentions is a bad and dangerous policy.

While the Republicans did a piss-poor job of running the country before Obama was swept into office, I am absolutely convinced that they are about to get a second chance to show their stuff. Let's hope THEY don't screw it up, too.

They should be waterboarded with pig's blood instead of water.

please save me from the evil muslims

let's put them in camps.

ya know, they never mentioned that these MUSLIMS were brown skinned, black haired men. S-CAIR-EEEE

I saw a dark man who looked arab the other day. AND he had a back pack!!!!

I'm gonna torture him the next time I see him.