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ECONOMIC POLICY BASED ON MORALITY

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Neal Boortz
@ September 4, 2009 9:00 AM
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Vice President Joe Biden has finally figured out the difference between Democrats and Republicans. Here dumb little ole me thought it was all about more government or less government, more individual responsibility or more government dependency. Guess I was wrong. Now I have good 'ole Joe to enlighten me. The difference is morality. Yep. You got it! Democrats are moral, Republicans and (I guess) Libertarians aren't.

Joe has caught a lot of flak lately for the lack of economic impact we have seen from the $787 billion stimulus. Most Americans are of the opinion that the stimulus bill was more about pork than getting our economy on its feet. Joe's been on the defensive for a while .. but he's figured out a counterattack. The new line? Well ... the stimulus was the right thing to do "morally." The financial or economic impacts are just side-notes .. but we had a moral obligation to help people! And this is where the Democrats and Republicans differ. Joe says that the Democrats wanted to "bring relief to those who are falling into the abyss." The Republicans, of course, didn't; those moral heathens. But what's missing from Joe's assessment? The word "government." Interesting concept, don't you think? Using the police power of government to seize money from one person to give to another is "moral." Putting future generations of Americans into debt is a moral imperative. So glad Joe straightened this one out for us.

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  • government is hiring!
    I can speak from personal experience, as someone that does (or used to do) a lot of transportation engineering projects for municipalities, state, and federal agencies, that the only thing the stimulus is stimulating is government. Much of the work my firm used to do is being done "internally" to keep unnecessary government staff busy enough to justify their continued employment. ARRA funded projects are ALL being done internally because "they are too sensitive or accelerated to pass on to outside consultants."

    I believe more and more everyday that we are all either going to be government employed or unemployed because government just can't seem to trust the private sector to get the job done. And by "trust us to get the job done" I mean "we can't let the private sector remind the tax payers that most government employees are unnecessary, and the private sector does EVERYTHING better than we do."

    The whole idea of the stimulus is more infuriating with each passing day.
  • VP's Moral Compass
    I think he stole it from Jack Sparrow!
  • Who is John Galt?
    I agree with crosscut.. please read Atlas Shrugged. The similarities are frightening!!!
  • Funny
    Biden's take on doctors showing up at Democrat rallies. Funny. Does he realize they were the protestors?
  • Idiots
    The country is screwed.....no way out of the debt burden...PERIOD. I don't care if this DID help. Giving me one more day on life support does NOT make my life better...when you know I only have one week to live. We ARE TOAST...Thanks to all you IDIOTS who have been in charge for the last 2 DECADES. This is NOT REPUB VS DEMOCRAT...IT'S ABOUT FREEDOM and LIBERTY!-F-U ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • The difference between...
    I believe the difference between the left and the right has always been how they define things. An example, the word Equality. The left want equal results for everyone, while the right want equal opportunity for everyone.
  • Atlas Shrugged
    Doubt that this putz Biden ever read this book. Probably would'nt get it if he did.
  • Matt
    It's all good!!!
  • Re: Jim Smith "Of course, it's moral to take money away from people who probably didn't vote for me and give it to people who probably did. I should do everything I can get away with to make you behave the way I think is best, because, I'm smarter th
    Nice modern translation of:

    "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on the objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." -
      --  James Madison
  • Biden's statement
    You just have to laugh at ole Joe.Poor guy just doesn't have a lot of gray matter upstairs.Equating his Democrat policies and buddies with "moral".Ha ha.Moral and Democrat together are an oxymoron.
  • story
    "Using the police power of government to seize money from one person to give to another is "moral."" I agree with you here, but don't YOU believe it's okay to steal as long as that money is going to the military warmachine? Hmmmmmmmmmm
  • @ Joyce
    My point was not to say all Libertarians are atheists. Since that was the impression I gave, Mia Culpa... I apologize. I too have a strong Libertarian streak, but believe we need to be guided by a strong morality. This does not mean we cannot have our failings at times. We are not Gods ourselves

    It seems that my points have been seen today as self-righteous. This outlook is false, but it is possible I'm not explaining myself clearly enough.
  • Woah Matt!
    Where do you get the idea that Libertarians are necessarily atheist? Maybe they just believe that religion is a personal thing. Most libertarians I know are very religious.

    Morals come from within and how you were taught right from wrong. You don't need to use religion to accomplish that but if you do that's fine too. Just don't automatically assume that atheists are immoral.

    I don't have religious beliefs, some would call me an atheist although I think they are a group themselves, hence almost a religion themselves. But I am a moral person. I believe in respect for myself and my fellow humans.

    Now, those criminals living in deference to the highly controlled government would more than likely be the ones to shoot someone for "looking at them wrong" than someone who believes in freedom. That person who believes in freedom might just blow away the head of the jerk who is threatening your child.

    We can believe in ourselves which can be just as powerful.

    Otherwise you are right!
  • Moral? What?
    Spoken like a true politician:
    Of course, it's moral to take money away from people who probably didn't vote for me and give it to people who probably did. I should do everything I can get away with to make you behave the way I think is best, because, I'm smarter than you.
  • @Jeffery
    "And Christianity gives people the right to pass judgement on those "jerks" with hypocritical notions of morality.

    I've never met an athiest (or Heathen/Pagan for that matter) I didn't like...but I certainly cannot say the same about Christians."

    Man, have I raised a stink on this board today! LOL. Atheists constantly criticize and bash God, yet they expect the Christian to sit silent and ignore the attacks on the faith, because doing so is judgmental.

    By anyone's definition, that is being a jerk. That doesn't mean you can't change you ways. That doesn't mean that you wouldn't be welcomed with open arms and could be forgiven by those whom you offended. People often forget that forgiveness has to be asked for before people just give it.

    I just have never understood why people would antagonize a group of Christians and expect them to sit idle on their hands and say nothing whilst continually bashed. Quite the contrary. Not standing up has been the greater sin.
  • @ Jack
    I actually agree with what you are saying, to a point, and I have often stated if you fight a war to begin with, you better fight to win. It is also a good reason why our officials should consider all options prior to waging war. Our country has a tendency to wage war and then consider the implications of doing so after the fact. It is that "cart before the horse" approach that gets us in trouble and keeps us in countries for years on end. Stop bringing a knife to a gun fight, especially when you have a 50 cal. at home.

    On the larger question of morality, if we expect morality of anyone, by what standard should that morality be held? Traditionally, this country was founded on Judeo-Christian values as a whole even if the individuals of that group did not espouse a Judeo- Christian Philosophy. With Judeo- Christian values came the idea that all people are inherently good, and freedom with responsibility. Somewhere along the way, we seem to have forgotten the responsibility part. The greatness of this philosophy is not lost on me. God-given rights are declared under the first ten amendments of our Constitution. Those rights are not given to us by the Federal Government as some believe, rather by the grace of God. If we live based on the Objectivist philosophy, then we have no right to anything in this world, or do we just express that the Bill of Rights are rights bestowed on us by Mickey Mouse? If there is nothing intrinsically "God-given" about anything then it stands to reason that all of it is a lie anyway. Right?

    So ask yourself my friend, what real difference rests in the Statists, like Snarky and Dud(e), who believes in a highly controlled populace based on the superiority of Government over the electorate and an Atheistic Libertarian whose concept of "freedom" leads to uncontrolled Anarchy. I fear the guy with the shotgun, who uncontrolled, blows a hole through my kids head for looking at him wrong as much as I do the thievery and control of a despotic and imperialistic Federal Government. Also, you have no cause in believing that the VP is wrong. By his own moral standard, he is correct.

    A life with a belief in nothing greater than ourselves is a sad, torturous, and fearful life indeed.
  • Holy cow... these people sound more and more like the Looters in Atlas Shrugged everyday. I started reading it after seeing all the quotes pop up, and I'm startled by its relevance
  • Biden banter
    Every time I hear Biden speak it scares the hell out of me to think that "OhNo and Joe 2012" is a possibility.
  • Morality
    This is straight out of "Atlas Shrugged." Ayn Rand is proved once again as the genius she was.
  • More stimulus?
    you're making a case for a larger stimulus from govt in the face of large, deep recessions.

    and to that I say "well done!" :-)

    From Henry Morganthau’s diary in 1939 “We have spent more, borrowed more, and raised tax rates higher than ever before and have nothing to show for it! The problem with FDR was not the lack of stimulus, but the social policies that drove business away. The NRA drove many companies out of business with price and wage fixing that took away cost advantages from smaller companies who were lean to stay in business (Goodyear Tire & Rubber was a big winner from this). He also hammered the people he was claiming to help by massive Excise Tax increases. Excise revenue went from $540 million in 1929 to $1.364 billion in 1935. While he raised income tax rates from 25% in 1929 to 81.2% in 1940. Income tax revenue actually fell from $1.096 billion in 1929 to $540 million in 1934. The income tax and corporate income tax provided 81% of revenue in 1929 but by 1940 only provided 53% (and 1940 had a 50% Excess Profits tax on business (retained earnings today)). Why grow business with stimulus when Uncle Sam is there to immediately remove it? In the early 30’s the largest provider of FREE protein was Oscar Meyer, by the end of 34 he was only a bit player since the funds were no longer !
  • "That goes along with my belief that Atheism gives people license to be a jerk, because they fancy themselves as the end all and feel no moral obligation to be kind to anyone else- just dictatorial."

    And Christianity gives people the right to pass judgement on those "jerks" with hypocritical notions of morality.

    I've never met an athiest (or Heathen/Pagan for that matter) I didn't like...but I certainly cannot say the same about Christians.
  • whaaaaaa....................................
    morales, we don't need no morales...at least here in az......we gots too many morales, garcias, lopez's already...oh crap!!!!

    morals!!!! we don't need no mo' of dem either.......

    it's fryday damnit!!!!!!!!!!!
  • Shouldn't that have been...
    democrats are thieves, republicans are thieves, and libertarians are rational sane human beings?
  • Biden is a moron
    Only thing we need from Washington is secure our borders (which they do very badly) and maintain our infrastructure (which they also do badly). I think the states and individuals can take care of the rest. What a stimulus that would be!
  • A plagiarist is President, a plagiarist is Vice Pesident. A tax cheat is Treasury Secretary. Another tax cheat is Chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee. What morals is referring to.
    The morals of the mouth or the morals of the hand.
  • reMatt
    right, and as the argument goes...the govt spending he was doing in an attempt to fix the problem wasnt big enough. govt war time spending on industry was however.

    you're making a case for a larger stimulus from govt in the face of large, deep recessions.

    and to that I say "well done!" :-)
  • Biden
    I agree with Stan. Biden may be a little more blunt with his opinions than we're used to hearing from our public servents, but he's always right on the money. I'm telling you, if it wasn't for the fact that Al Gore was our last VP, I'd say Biden is the smartest guy we've ever had in that position in this country. The man is brilliant even if he is white, and you pigs on this board should sit in shame standing in judgement of him. Who are you to judge him? Being judgemental went out with the dodo bird.
  • Bob Barr
    Bob Barr is as much a libertarian as neal boortz is. they aren't.
  • Didn't joe dreben (frank’s secret brother) plagiarize someone?
    Shouldn’t the dp get someone who has morals to lecture us on them? Good luck finding that at the dnc.
  • a deep bow to Matt
    Matt, I indeed use a-theism explicitly to justify being a jerk but am a politico-ideologically arch-ultra conservative & extreme reactionary a-theist thus meaner than a July rattle snake; I strongly resent opprobrious characterization of my purpose in adopting a-theism. I rather expect to be praised & approbated therefor by people who should be perceptive enough to realize I am the sort who gets things done because I signally lack any puerile fear of hell. Just think how much more effective against pervasive evil, specially communism, Franco, Chiang, Cromwell, Joseph McCarthy, the shah of Iran, George Wallace, the junto of south Korean army general officers that ousted Rhee & other self righteous autocrats & authoritarians would have been had they shed the vapid inhibitions of theistic codes & just forthrightly done what needed doing! Give me a capable a-theist any day over an irresolute theist compulsively dithering on whether or not winning would be a sin. Success is self validating, mister.
  • OMG !!
    Dude..
    You are killing me !!
    I almost swallowed my tongue reading your posts today!!!
    And Snark..It was WWII that got us out of the Depression, not FDR social policies...
    FDR was failing miserably until Dec 7th
  • Morals? Are you kidding me?
    Is this Veep for real? Is this the same Veep that threw out more expletives at a "Memorial Service" for a Patriotic Senator (?) last week or was that a dream I had? (BTW: wondering how the Veep got away with that little "slip"....) And he wants to talk about morals?
  • dumb little ole neal
    the difference between Democrats and Republicans is more government or less government? boy, you are dumb.

    the difference between Democrats and Republicans is the Democrats want socialism within 10 years and the Republicans want socialism within 20 years.
  • @marco
    "The new version would be -- the democrats will give you a fish, the republicans will let you earn/save enough money to buy a fishing boat and become independent -- oh, wait, now I see what's happening -- too bad the Dem lovers can't see what's being foisted upon them."
    Maybe that is somewhat true for the D's but you are SOOOO FAR off when it comes to the R's. The R's (and the D's) would bail the fisherman out once he became to big to fail!
  • the stupid ass vice president
    Fast losing my willingness to stay civil; that Biden loser can f--k himself! The late great Miss Ayn Rand when she formulated objectivism ensured she reached the conclusion pure laisser faire capitalism is not just a cranky personal preference of individualists but a towering moral imperative that voids statism-collectivism utterly. Ludwig von Mises in applying austrianist marginal utility analysis to monetary theory but using a different epistemologic-philosophic model reached the same general conclusion & stressed the specific fact his project demolished any justification of a central bank in favor instead of a gold specie standard. Interestingly Alan Greenscam in 1966 wrote 2 objectivist essays on the gold standard back when he convincingly pretended to be principled. I am quite amenable to being persuaded vice president Biden has never been principled but I am strongly biased against papists too so a more objective criterion must obtain herein. Personally & subjectively I loth the little twerp though. His explicit validation of what a menace to capitalism he is saves me the domestic terrorist trouble of inventing an excuse to denounce him any how.

    If those poltroons in the incumbent administration already know how dangerous & erratic right populist dissidents such as myself are why do they persistently affront, offend & antagonize us? They make excoriating them easy as shooting a duck in a tub.
  • The Dud(e) Strikes Again
    "You have to listen to Lewis Black for the difference between Democrats and Repoublicans: "Democrats are a party of no ideas, while Republicans are a party of bad ideas."

    Libertarians? ha, Did Bob Barr even win a single state? Libertarians are the retarded kids that sit in the back of the classroom"


    What in the h-e-double hockey sticks does this even have to do with the story above? You come on a Libertarian web site just to incite Libertarians? No one forces you to come here and disparage Libertarian ideas. Since so many of you Statists DON'T PARTICIPATE in those type of sites, the Daily Kos and Move On are great web sites for your brand of hatred. You will be right at home there. You ought to check them out. Have a blessed day!
  • Stimulus? Morality?
    9.7% unemployment ... good news it that ONLY 200k jobs were lost? Give me a break.
  • @ The Dude
    Dude, if you get your politics from Lewis Black, you are part of the problem and not a part of the solution.

    He was a Bush basher on Comedy Central, which continues to support a left wing bias.
  • Moral?
    Let me get this straight, so now stealing from generations that have not even been born yet is moral. My God, this is what happens when you let atheists into power. They are so hell-bent hungry on the control and power of their own God complex that they fancy themselves as the standard-bearers of what is moral and redefine it to their own, sick purposes.

    Mr. Biden- The sin of stealing money from 200 Million hard working people and giving it to the 100 million does not serve the "greater good"- no matter what you think. The Commandment clearly states- You shall not steal, not You shall not steal unless you think it benefits others.

    That goes along with my belief that Atheism gives people license to be a jerk, because they fancy themselves as the end all and feel no moral obligation to be kind to anyone else- just dictatorial.
  • Biden
    Biden's hair plants went in a bit too deep I'm afraid.
  • Wacky Joe Biden
    Oh that zany Joe Biden. He never fails to provide us with laughs. Now he claims that the party that decries Christianity and patriotism and embraces all manner of deviants and miscreants is the party of morality. This from an administration of avowed Communists, racists, tax cheats and their ilk. Yessir Joe, you keep right on believing that. The Democrats sure are doing a lot of projection lately.
  • Big mistake
    You have to listen to Lewis Black for the difference between Democrats and Repoublicans: "Democrats are a party of no ideas, while Republicans are a party of bad ideas."

    Libertarians? ha, Did Bob Barr even win a single state? Libertarians are the retarded kids that sit in the back of the classroom
  • If it wasn't for double-standards leftwingers wouldn't have any standards at all.
    While it's true it's impossible to pass any legislation that does not impose morality since every law limits human behavior to the bounds of what the lawmakers determine to be the "right" behavior, I seem to remember the days when the left would cringe at the thought of imposing morality through law.

    Of course it's different when they do it. It's wrong for a Christian to say a kid shouldn't have sex, but it's englightened to berate people for flushing after peeing, not driving the right car, and using too much toilet paper. It's evil for a rightwinger to believe a spouse should remain faithful, but it is encouraged for a leftwinger to tell people that they are bad for smoking, buying luxury items, and throwing paper away in the trash.

    In fact, it's wrong for conservatives to even hold these opinions while it's fine and dandy for the left to impose their beliefs into law!
  • A new use for an old parable
    There is an old parable that says, give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day -- teach a man to fish, he'll eat for a lifetime. The new version would be -- the democrats will give you a fish, the republicans will let you earn/save enough money to buy a fishing boat and become independent -- oh, wait, now I see what's happening -- too bad the Dem lovers can't see what's being foisted upon them.
  • The moral thing to do Joe?
    Keep your thieving hands out of our pockets and let private individuals and private charity take care of those in need.

    A 15% Flat tax would light a rocket under our entrepreneurs and accomplish more to erase the stratospheric misery index we suffering under. It would dig our sorry arses out of the crater our elected politicians have inflicted on us.
  • wrong
    it's not about morality, it's about basic economics.

    unless of course you thought the great depression was super awesome. then, you're right, nothing to see here.
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