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CLIMATE CHANGE - REINVIGORATING THE FRAUD

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For President Barack Obama, this week is all about international affairs. While healthcare is still at the forefront of the domestic debate, Obama will speak at the UN today and at the G-20 summit later this week. While the United States is focused on healthcare, the rest of the world seems to be focused on another issue: global warming.

Now why do you suppose that would be? No great mystery here ... After decades of looking, global warming has developed into the best scheme that the left has been able to concoct to effect the worldwide transfer and redistribution of the wealth.

World leaders are preparing for their climate change/wealth redistribution conference in Copenhagen in December. There is, though, a fly in the ointment.

The first is the US debate on healthcare. The international community is not all that thrilled that Obama decided to push forward on healthcare reform and leave climate change legislation by the wayside. Doesn't the president realize that redistributing huge amounts of wealth from the United States to undeveloped and despot-controlled countries is far more important then whether or not granny is going to get her hip replacement? They don't care about granny. They want our money; and climate change is the best chance they have right now. They're not thrilled that the Senate may not even get to climate change legislation by the end of this year.

The other roach in the ointment may be reports that the earth is actually cooling. While any world leaders attending these summits won't pay attention to this news, the people back home are. For years they've been hearing people like (ahem) your humble Talkmaster telling them that variances in the sun's heat output account for whatever climate change we're experiencing - now they see the data that conclusively shows the earth is actually cooling down, and has been for about nine years now. And ... guess what? They're also learning that solar activity is diminishing! Hmmmmm. Maybe the preachers of hate were right on this one!

Also, for we received some more information last week that we would pay an additional $1,700 a year if cap-and-trade legislation is passed. That went over like a ... er ... let's say like a mouse in a punchbowl.

Stay vigilant folks. The world's nations are congregating in Copenhagen. They want your money. Don't turn your back.

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  • Careful there, Ivan
    The beating of the rotorblades from the black helicopters is going to drown out the reception you get from your tin hat. You already provide enough hilarious comic relief. Hey are the Secret Masons, you know the National Treasure guys, aware of all these secret NWO plans? Just wondering.
    By Jusjon @ 09/24/09 02:52:59 PMreport abuse
  • "people"
    Hi Snarky.

    These are not flat earth people:
    http://www.reasons.org/global-warming-how-concerned-do-we-really-need-be#

    Their bios (if you GAS):
    http://www.reasons.org/about-us/our-people#hugh_ross

    Lastly, a can of corn for you peruse so that you can brilliantly and effortlessly dismiss anything they say and call them kooks:
    http://www.reasons.org/fulfilled-prophecy-evidence-reliability-bible

    Enjoy!

    ed
    By ed davis @ 09/24/09 12:46:37 PMreport abuse
  • rejoyce
    LOL!

    yes, I am sure there are "people" who think this isnt true.

    they're deluded but jobs like you.

    but, over here in reality, science and people who do this for a living...they've moved on to trying to solve this...not arguing about it's validity.
    By snarkybird @ 09/24/09 10:21:18 AMreport abuse
  • No snark
    It's not the same thing at all, so sorry if you are too deluded to see that. Oh and ain't he cute trying the "adults talking here" routine!!! Believe me, YOU are not going to get a seat at the adult table.

    Health care, ie doctors and hospitals were already in existence before insurance came along. We probably would be better off if they hadn't, think of the cost savings. But they are here and they are Soooo much better than the government running things.

    It's the hypocrisy of the "the sky is falling" people that claim if we don't do something now we'll all die" and then we find out they really mean "if we don't do something now, I'll lose out on millions". At least with insurance companies, we know where we stand.

    The Cap&Tax crowd are pretending to be doing this for our own good. Bull. And your assertion that only the pro stands up to scrutiny is bull also.

    This is NOT a subject that has been concluded. Even people who used to think "yeah it's true" are now saying "ummm not so sure". So when we get a consensus, then come back. Till then, go play in the street ok?
    By Joyce M/Blythe @ 09/24/09 09:20:50 AMreport abuse
  • Flat Earth
    There are people that think Earth is flat? Wow! If so, I'd venture a guess that they voted for Obama. Maybe the internet has videos and blog posts that support my theory. I'll be back.
    By ed davis @ 09/23/09 10:13:13 AMreport abuse
  • rejoyce
    going back to your argument "everyone involved in this Cap & Tax has a profit incentive, so it's kinda hard to trust them"

    assuming then if we replace "cap and tax" with "healthcare" you'd be the one saying we cant trust insurance companies and should look to non-profit solutions, yes?
    By snarkybird @ 09/23/09 09:06:32 AMreport abuse
  • rejoyce
    arguing against capitalism joyce?

    where would market solutions come from if there is no profit to be made?

    As many have said, you're not entitled to your own facts. And it's not an argument. this is settled. there may be crackpots out there who disagree. But, there are people who still think the earth is flat too.

    the data presented stands up to scrutiny. nothing to the contrary does.

    to live in a world where global warming is not settled science is to live in fantasy land.

    de plane! de plane!

    let the grown ups get to work now dear. you and Ivan can debate the tin foil theories in the back of the class.
    By snarkybird @ 09/23/09 09:05:22 AMreport abuse
  • @MikeS
    What makes a decade the magic number?

    Was the last 100 years warmer than the 100 before? What about the last 50 years? Or the last 1000? Was last year warmer than the year before?

    One decade compared to others is no more viable than one year or one millenium.
    By Reason @ 09/22/09 10:20:40 PMreport abuse
  • Man made Global Warming cure
    The ultimate cure for man made global warming would be to get rid of all humans from the earth.

    Now for all the zealots out there:

    What is the perfect temperature of the planet earth?

    At what point in time did this occur?

    When you can answer and prove these two simple questions, I will become a follower of your global warming religion.
    By Joe @ 09/22/09 06:00:05 PMreport abuse
  • Good grief snark
    I watched your video, woopie. I do like this line under the video: "...but we can make money doing it too."

    That alone loses credibility.

    Anyway, point is, we can all find videos and links to support both sides by the THOUSANDS. Why is that? Because the scientists do not agree. And until they do, what is the point of enacting more legislation!

    If they finally do agree at least in a 80% majority (giving you 20% for any kooks you can always find in any field) then yeah, let's do something.

    I'm more afraid we'll make things worse, not better, by not having all the facts.

    And everyone involved in this Cap & Tax has a profit incentive, so it's kinda hard to trust them.
    By Joyce M/Blythe @ 09/22/09 04:38:55 PMreport abuse
  • To Jusjon
    You really have no clue do you? This is gonna be hilarious to watch all the gubmint lovers get Rick Roll'd by Obama and the NWO.
    By Ivan @ 09/22/09 04:01:53 PMreport abuse
  • recarlos
    I phear you phace a phalse set of phacts

    LOL!

    sorry, I couldn't resist. And I know you've not watched the video and me mocking you will probably make you not watch it.

    up to you but, you're website is easily shown to be junk science by the ACTUAL scientist in the preso I posted.
    By snarkybird @ 09/22/09 03:55:11 PMreport abuse
  • Ed Davis
    Yep, can't wait for that movie!

    As for Nostradamus and others, eh, I think they just keep shooting in the dark till they hit one. What was that guy from the 50's? His books fill a room, with that many guesses I'd get a few right too. But I will check out your link when I get home.
    By Joyce M/Blythe @ 09/22/09 03:46:18 PMreport abuse
  • Damn models
    Those damn stupid models! The Weatrher Channel likes to rely heavily on 'models' for it's forecast. Funny, the same group wants us to believe that they can tell us what's going to happen in 50 years but can't nail 7 am tomorrow. Business and most other countries have moved on? To what? Businesses say that crap to get you to think they 'care'. Countries say the same crap to get you to think they are 'progressive' and you need to 'get with the program'. Not buying it. And, I'm not alone.
    By Chuck @ 09/22/09 03:12:20 PMreport abuse
  • 10 poorest nations in the world
    after my last post, did some research, this is from 2008. they are poor by their own hand, not climate change, but liberals still beleive it is. ishttp://newsflavor.com/world/africa/the-10-poorest-nations-in-the-world/
    By Terry G @ 09/22/09 03:06:00 PMreport abuse
  • Ivan
    That may be his agenda, but they don't seem to be going for it.

    This is on the climate issue more, but it also reflects a change (LOL) in the attitude toward Obama's ideas.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2009/sep/22/obama-un-climate-change-europe
    By Joyce M/Blythe @ 09/22/09 02:48:21 PMreport abuse
  • @Ivan
    "The United States will urge world leaders this week to launch a new push in November to rebalance the world economy, but there are doubts national governments will bow to external advice."

    ...yeah, that first paragraph even says it all, especially that part about NATIONAL GOVERNMENTS NOT BOWING TO EXTERNAL ADVICE! It's called trade balance, sparky. Something that domestic and international markets are supposed to produce, hopefully naturally.

    "United States envisages the IMF ...making policy RECOMMENDATIONS" , which, by the way, "In the past, many countries have IGNORED SUGGESTIONS the IMF dished out in regular reviews". Even with global interdependance in market economies, "...governments would not allow themselves to be told what to do."

    Dont worry, Ivan, the Builderburgs are too busy trying to infiltrate Skull and Bones in hopes of getting the key to Roswells UFO shed, so they can expose the Alien plot to kill JFK, who of course was responsible for the 9-11 attacks.

    Stay off the flouridated water, dude.
    By Jusjon @ 09/22/09 02:43:20 PMreport abuse
  • re.snarkybird
    Its all about the phalse physics.
    www.globalwarminghysteria.com/ten-myths-of-global-warming/
    By Carlos @ 09/22/09 02:42:22 PMreport abuse
  • the "poor" countries
    I hate the saying “The United States (America) is the wealthiest nation”, this is wrong; the United States does not have wealth, only individuals have wealth. The founding fathers wrote the best document ever conceived which allowed the individual to achieve such wealth. Redistribution of wealth is basically taking away from hard work and taking chances to make the wealth.

    Take a good look at the “poor” nations and tell me, how many are at war either internal or external, have dictators as leaders, and/or government controls most (or all) of commerce? It’s their governments which make these countries “poor”. Than tell me, why we should support these countries when their own government keeps them poor?

    Liberals look only at the outcome, not the method of getting to the outcome.
    By Terry G @ 09/22/09 02:40:30 PMreport abuse
  • Apocalyptic Stress Syndrome
    Since Big Joe mentioned Yellowstone and meteors, I’d like to offer this as hope that Someone knows what is going on. I like this Guy's stuff better than Nostradamus'. Let's see...

    Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be great earthquakes, famines and pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs...

    There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken.


    If you read this far and don't have an uncontrollable urge to argue with me, check this out: http://www.hallindsey.com/videos/ If you want to argue, have fun with it, just lay off the “idiot”, “nut job” and all that other inflammatory stuff. Lots of people are looking for answers and I am simply trying to share the best ones I have found. Okay?

    I strongly suggest starting with the video from 8/28 and working your way up to 9/18.
    It is interesting, if anything. And these are only a half hour each.

    I'll be one to watch the movie 2012 when it comes out. I just hope I don't end up cowering in a corner of the theater sucking my thumb and praying to obama as if he is the Author of the real story.
    By ed davis @ 09/22/09 02:30:14 PMreport abuse
  • Yup, Butt..
    ...but i had to cram 4 years of school into 5 years. 'Course there were those damnable flirtations with mind altering substances, petty crime and hockey practice to fit in.

    ...uh, whats a GeeEEEDeee. I'm more of like a DeetDeeDee (thanks Carlos Mencia)
    By Jusjon @ 09/22/09 02:27:23 PMreport abuse
  • recarlos
    it's just physics dude.

    http://www.poptech.org/popcasts/popcasts.aspx?lang=&viewcastid=53

    again, business and most other countries have already moved on from this debate - there isn't one.

    get with the program.
    By snarkybird @ 09/22/09 01:57:15 PMreport abuse
  • Some of you guys crack me up....
    with all your moronic partisan bs. This is the creation of The New World Order. Okay go ahead and get your laugh out of the way...then go to my link.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE58G34Z20090921?sp=true
    By Ivan @ 09/22/09 01:55:13 PMreport abuse
  • Anthropomorphic Global Warming
    It isn't a question about whether or not the climate is changing, Lane. The question is whether or not there is anything the human race has done to cause it and whether or not there is anything we can do about it.

    Highly trained and intelligent people say there isn't anything we have done to cause climate change and that there is really nothing we can do about it. You are welcome to peruse some of their arguments. Well, lookie here, a place to start: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=anthropomorphic+global+warming&aq=0&oq=anthropomorphic+glob&aqi=g1

    For those that scoff at the idea of a global politiK rising to power as a result of propagandizing orchestrated crisis after orchestrated crisis, pthhhhft in your general direction. Your world vision and contingency planning is either very poor or you WANT a global government. Just like Obama & his buddies. If he doesn’t see the doors opening, he is an idiot. If he is opening them on purpose, he is a traitor. Pick one.

    Google narcissistic personality disorder obama and follow the first link.
    By ed davis @ 09/22/09 01:52:03 PMreport abuse
  • The fallacy of AGW
    Global climate change exists. Speaking as a Scientist & expert “aquatic speleologist” (NACD/NSS CDS/IANTD), I've seen numerous geological examples of climate change, i.e., global cooling & warming, 1st hand.

    In contrast, leftists fervently believe in the theory of Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) which is caused by man -generated “greenhouse gases” while ignoring periodic fluctuations in “solar luminosity” in the UV spectrum band associated w/ “black spot” activity. Additionally, AGW is unfortunately a very lucrative scam, e.g., Enron was the first corporation to see the potential $$$ associated w/ “brokering” CO2 waivers/credits. Now Goldman Sachs is preparing to exploit this artificial economy. Reality: unlike CO2, 90 to 95% of “greenhouse gases” consists of “water vapor.” A fluctuation in actual CO2 content in the SUM of “greenhouse gases” is somewhat minor.

    If you want a factual basis for my argument please refer to:

    http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/

    Also, The problem w/ most of the “climate models” favored by AGW advocates is the fact said math models do no have sufficient granularity (due to a lack of processing power) to simulate the local formation of clouds- this makes them somewhat unreliable.
    By caved1ver @ 09/22/09 01:38:52 PMreport abuse
  • oh now you's jist showin' off...........
    JUSJON...........finally got that GED did you........

    now don't be a pain in the ass and confuze folks wit' facts.....they's minds is made up.......

    you's is just pissed off cuz owlgore is rich an' you ain't......he invented the internet you kno'.......
    By butt neckid @ 09/22/09 01:22:43 PMreport abuse
  • Global warming/Cooling/Climate Change
    I am convinced that anyone, scientist or otherwise, that truly believes that humans are a significant contributing factor in climate change is a pea brain. Only cataclysmic events such as massive volcanic eruptions or pole shifts can significantly effect weather.
    How arrogant to suggest that the feeble efforts of man could alter the climate.
    Its all about the money.
    By Carlos @ 09/22/09 01:13:27 PMreport abuse
  • I just find this incredible on so many levels
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2009/sep/22/obama-un-climate-change-europe

    "Obama the Impotent, the disappointment is tangible..."

    Ummmm, I think Europe is over it's love affair.
    By Joyce M/Blythe @ 09/22/09 01:03:09 PMreport abuse
  • suns spot activity
    You can monitor the daily sun spot activity with this site I list below.

    http://soho.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime/realtime-update.html

    The sun has been pretty blank for the last couple of years. '08 was the blankest (no spots) since the early 1900's, and 09 hasn't been any better.
    By J. Morris @ 09/22/09 12:59:29 PMreport abuse
  • A Global Warming Win-Win
    The art of the political process is compromise, right? I have a solution that gives both conservatives and liberals something of what they want.

    First, I say, global warming full steam ahead! It's not necessarily GW, but our economy that has provided our abundant life here in the USA. This gives conservatives what they want - that we do not wreck our economy over an Al Gore fantasy.

    Then when global warming starts to kill people off (not), liberals get what they want, since they are so into population control. (11 Alive has an article right now on their web site about using population control to counter climate change). And if there is no massive death count from GW, then we did not wreck the economy for no reason.
    By Mutt Dog @ 09/22/09 12:39:46 PMreport abuse
  • Can't dazzle em with brilliance, baffle em with BS!
    So...isn't science subjective just like most any from of research and data. It's in the eye of the beholder. That's what I've been seeing as far as trends. The same characters who proclaimed global cooling in the late 70's changed their minds over the last 20 years. Now some of them are saying, "Well, on the other hand..." There is not, has not been, and likely will not be a concensus. And this is what the UN, Obama, and others are basing their policies on? Seems to me that if individuals just take it upon themselves to be good stewards, which a lot of people are, we'll keep government out of our lives. We can decide for ourselves whether we actually are impacting the Environment and what we choose to do about it. Al Gore is a blowhard, a hypocrite, and not a climatologist. So why should I take the climate change movement seriously? Because some 'scientist' with an agenda wants a new world order based on suspect conclusions? I don't think so.
    By Chuck @ 09/22/09 12:34:42 PMreport abuse
  • Global Warming/Cooling Debate
    My husband and I have been arguing about this for at least 10 years. He is worried about global warming and I think it is a crock. I just did a search on "global cooling", most returns were tee shirts, but below are some useful non-tee shirt links. Please look at the data (not just my links, but find your own) and make up your own mind. Education is the answer to this problem, not pop science or political slogans.

    http://www.isthereglobalcooling.com/

    http://www.climatecooling.org/

    http://www.dailytech.com/Temperature+Monitors+Report+Worldwide+Global+Cooling/article10866.htm

    http://www.denisdutton.com/cooling_world.htm

    http://climatedebatedaily.com/

    http://acuf.org/issues/issue62/060624cul.asp

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10783

    http://www.livescience.com/environment/041217_sealevel_rise.html

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/walker/walker17.html
    By Cricket Deane @ 09/22/09 12:33:36 PMreport abuse
  • Big Joe
    Good post.
    You've pointed out a couple things that do send a chill up my spine - the Yellowstone potential and those big jagged rocks out there in space.
    There are two near approaches by a good sized meteor (same one mind you) within the next 30 years. One of them is predicted to actually come closer than out highest orbiting satellites!

    And we're down here wringing our hands over cow farts and light bulbs.

    You know, years from now (if we're still around that is), the history books are going to make the people of this era look about as smart as the frenchmen in MP's Search for the Holy Grail.
    I tell my kids all the time that the stupidest generation (yes, that would be my generation) in American history is running the show right now, and I hope they can fix the mess when we're gone.
    By shuttin down @ 09/22/09 12:29:35 PMreport abuse
  • That's right Science Guy!
    "Climate is about long-term trends. In a long-term trend, there can be anomalies."

    And we don't have enough information yet to determine if we are in an anomaly or a norm!
    By Joyce M/Blythe @ 09/22/09 12:15:58 PMreport abuse
  • welllll now......................................
    I have some kwestions to ax.......do we (the human race) really want to fool around with the weather (climate) and other ancient natural events?????

    damn I hope not......here's why I, the IGNORANUS HICK, don't think it's such a good idea........

    the folks in GUAM had a problem with rats......so some smart sumbitch says let's bring in some snakes........something that wasn't on the island at the time......sooooo they brought in some brown tree snakes......wow.....now they have brown tree snake traps all over the island.....oh they still have the rats......just no more birds.....well seagulls......are they really birds?????

    wild life usually finds a way to eat.....the rats were big ol' suckers and the brown tree snake ain't all that big and besides they're kinda lazy....birds live in trees.....don't forget brown TREE snake....lay eggs lil' birds don't fly......yep lunch is served.......

    ok how 'bout AUSTRALIA.....some ol' guy wanted to hunt bunny rabbits.......imported some bunnies.......holy crap!!!!! they sure like to do the bunny hop.....started with a few hundred......now they have about a gazillion.....thats more zeros than what osamabama used for the budget..........

    so ya wanna diddle wit' the weather?????

    un-intended consequence???? did I spel that right?????
    By butt neckid @ 09/22/09 12:13:01 PMreport abuse
  • Hey MikeS
    My science denies your science...and it can beat yours up too.
    By Jusjon @ 09/22/09 11:54:41 AMreport abuse
  • OK, Science Guy, but I dont have anecdotal refutation
    ...just one of several studies by NASA. I could cite a bunch more but my sister, a PHD global warming tree hugger, contributed to part of this study (she works for USGS) and has since changed her mind regarding "anthropogenic greenhouse gases" being the primary cause of "climate change". Here are some highlights:

    -The 1997 Kyoto Protocol, which calls for industrialized nations to reduce their CO2 emissions to 95% of 1990 levels by 2012 is itself considered a difficult target to achieve.

    -Climate simulations lead to the conclusion that the Kyoto reductions will have little effect in the 21st century.

    ...global warming has been caused mainly by non-CO2 GHGs.

    -The primary natural source of CH4 (methane) is microbial decay of organic matter under anoxic conditions in wetlands.

    ...assuming only that our estimates are approximately correct, we assert that the processes producing the non-CO2 GHGs have been the primary drive for climate change in the past century.

    The growth rate of forcing by carbon dioxide doubled between the 1950s and the 1970s (Figure 2A), but was FLAT from the late 1970s until the late 1990s DESPITE A 30% INCREASE IN FOSSIL FUEL USE (my caps) . This implies a recent increase of terrestrial and/or oceanic sinks for CO2, which may be temporary.

    ...oh yeah, and dont forget the natural cycles of solar activity.




    Also, can you explain why, during the period from 1939 to 1945, more "anthropogenic" pollutants were poured into the oceans and atmosphere than from the usual study periods from 1955-2000, and yet levels of normalcy in temperatures and acidities were found to be the case in as little as 4-8 years after?
    By Jusjon @ 09/22/09 11:50:06 AMreport abuse
  • @ Science Guy
    Science Guy said:

    One observation does not define a trend.

    True, and neither do several detailed, erroneous observations from a relatively short period in time. Weather observation stations in rural areas have remained in place while the area urbanized- giving false impressions of global climate change. Also, the corrected data from NASA should be enough to raise anyone's hackles. Two things I don't like especially:

    A. The idea that if the planet really is warming up, we pitiful humans can do anything to prevent it. Let's face it, that big ball of gas 93,000,000 miles from us has the greatest impact on life and could end it in an instant.

    and

    B. Foreign and Domestic policies that impact the world are built on junk science and false assumptions. Were these not the same people who told us in the 1970's that the Earth was entering into another Ice Age- also man made? Yes they were.

    "Never let a good crisis go to waste!"
    By Matt @ 09/22/09 11:41:27 AMreport abuse
  • Some people don't get it
    Lane Meyer, EVERYTHING is political. Human beings do not consider ALL of the facts before they reach their conclusion. Therefore, every opinion contains bias.

    Jenny, did you even READ the conclusion? That reinforces the point I made to Lane. "...appears to have ended a slide...". APPEARS TO. That means its a GUESS supported by SOME facts.

    There is no concrete proof that man made global warming exists. Deal with it.
    By Stuart Pitt @ 09/22/09 11:39:00 AMreport abuse
  • Global Warming and the Entertainment Industry
    As long as the Entertainment Industry goes about their business as they always have, and nobody is trying to put the brakes on anything they do, I cannot take alleged global warming seriously.

    If it really is the problem it is alleged to be, and we all must do every thing we possibly can to combat this problem, why do we still have major league ball and college ball games at night? They have to use enough electricity to simulate day time, and what is the carbon footprint (CF) for this?
    Also, what is the CF for a typical U-2 concert? And how many are they doing on this tour? And how many other recording acts are doing the same or similar? And when you are figuring the carbon footprint, don't forget to include all of the fans traveling to and from the venue, as well as the travel for the artists, their equipment and entourage from one city to the next.

    And then there's the movies, or films to liberals. What is the CF for a typical movie? How many do they make annually?

    When we are spending this much CF on entertainment - something we like, but certainly not a necessity - how can any politician expect anyone to take "we're killing the planet with our carbon footprint" seriously?

    I could go on and on, but this one example shows just what a bogus issue alleged global warming really is.
    By Mutt Dog @ 09/22/09 11:25:36 AMreport abuse
  • Global "warming"
    The whole essence of "climate change" is predicated on one false belief....that the climate is NOT supposed to change. That somehow it had reached a status quo and that's where it must remain. On a planet 5 BILLION years old, it is quite obvious its climate has changed numerous countless times in both directions (the ice age alone a good example: It became VERY cold and then got VERY warm) Temperatures have only been recorded for a little over 100 years or so, and not accuarately in many cases. No scientist in any other field would consider this to be a satisfactory sampling for anything. 100 + years versus 5 Billion?????
    By Jeff @ 09/22/09 11:18:33 AMreport abuse
  • Climate Change - Global Warming?
    Our government is trying to pull this fraud on you people because it's a sure-fire money-maker and nobody could ever see the results. Therefore, they can SAY whatever they want and then DEMAND more money from the taxpayers. They can REGULATE anything and any business they want with any "environmental" excuse attached to it. Who's gonna protest "saving the environment"? It's a winner to these politicians! There is no such thing as "global warming/climate change" that is threatening our earth. It is phony. It is a fraud. Some of you want to believe it because it makes you feel good. It makes you want to "make a difference" and "do something" to protect our endangered earth. There is nothing man can do. The earth took care of itself long before man arrived on the scene, and the earth will take care of itself long after our dead a**es are gone. The earth doesn't need us. We are nothing more than temporary guests.
    I mean, I'll be glad to listen to you if you have a solution to stop the Yellowstone volcano from erupting and ending all human life on earth. I'll be glad to listen to you if you can tell me how we stop comets, meteors, and asteroids from bombarding our earth in the near future. We, humans, aren't saving anything. And let me ask you this: If there truly was something wrong with the earth's atmosphere and it could be fixed...would you really want the United States government tampering with it? Everything they touch crumbles. What if they screw up?

    Do you people really believe Nancy Pelosi, Lord Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Barbara Boxer, Harry Reid, and Maxine Waters can change the weather? You must be a fool.

    Every 24 hours, another handful of species of creature on this earth die-out and become extrinct. Every 24 hours. We humans are simply standing in line. We're next.
    By Big Joe Williams @ 09/22/09 11:13:17 AMreport abuse
  • An anecdotal refutation comes in!
    Well, wouldn't you know it . . . Steve did not disappoint.

    One observation does not define a trend. Steve's argument is akin to arguing, "Don't tell me there is any benefit to getting a good education. After all, I know this dude who was a high school dropout and made a killing by building a t-shirt empire."

    Climate is about long-term trends. In a long-term trend, there can be anomalies.

    On any given day, or for any given season, some places on Earth will have an unseasonably warmth, others will have unseasonably cold. But, over time, over decades, we're seeing a little more of the former and less of the latter.

    See http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2009/images/summer09statewidetempranks.gif

    Texas, Florida, and the Pacific Northwest had much above normal temperatures this summer. The upper midwest had an unseasonably cool summer. None of this proves anything. No one season's data for anywhere proves anything.
    By Science Guy @ 09/22/09 11:09:52 AMreport abuse
  • it's cold here at...............................
    my sisters husband told me the summer in moose poop was more like a warm spring.........and it was down right cold here last nite.......

    global warming.........what a bunch of crap....owlgore is a scumsuckin'politician and jist wants your money........

    an' I ain't no dumby.....I's a IGNORANUS HICK.......
    By butt neckid @ 09/22/09 10:56:03 AMreport abuse
  • Global Warming Fraud
    Lane, Jenny and Science Guy, keep up with your "the sky is falling, the sky is falling" mantra. It will not make it so. Computer models can produce any results that their makers and users want them to--especially if it gets them big funding from the "global warming" elites, but that doesn't make the results right. FYI, some of the models were run using data from 50 years ago and guess what, the results were far removed from what really happened climatically.
    By Computer Modeling Geek @ 09/22/09 10:52:40 AMreport abuse
  • CLIMATE CHANGE
    there isn't only one way to enable the worldwide transfer and redistribution of the wealth. and its not the left thats doing it. it's a bipartisan issue. $1.8+Trillion so far in bailouts.

    they both want your money. don't turn your back. and don't believe anybody.

    Lane Meyer you should watch this movie.
    http://blip.tv/file/1004193/
    By tshirt-doctor.com @ 09/22/09 10:49:34 AMreport abuse
  • politics and stupid hippies
    I loved China and India's response to our corrupt leadership's bid to include them in the enviro-nuts' worldwide climate scare. They laughed at us, which is the same thing I'd do if Kim Jong Il or any other corrupt nutjob approached the USA with the same horse shiite.
    By stepcousin @ 09/22/09 10:46:58 AMreport abuse
  • Cooling?
    It's hard to argue that the Earth is cooling when the last decade has been warmer than any in the 20th century. Will this canard never die? I guess not as long as people persist in denying the science.
    By MikeS @ 09/22/09 10:37:58 AMreport abuse
  • The politicians have made it political.
    I can find studies all day long that have differing opinions on this subject. So until we can get the scientists to agree, this is indeed political. The politicians have chosen which set of studies best suit their needs and are going with those, ignoring the others.

    Let's get a consensus before jumping into another bureaucracy.
    By Joyce M/Blythe @ 09/22/09 10:36:42 AMreport abuse
  • I know Science Guy
    Yeah I know all those idiots; don't they know Al Gore already has it all figured out? I mean just take a look at his reliable hockey stick graphs. Nuff said right
    By Rullivan @ 09/22/09 10:35:54 AMreport abuse
  • Jenny Gump
    Ever heard of an ad baculum argument? I Thought not. A thousand people, even scientists, calling a horse a cow does not make it a cow.

    Why doesn't it ever occur to you that the scientists who publish in Science and peer review the submissions (i.e., determine what gets published) have a political agenda (or at least a get-government funding agenda).
    By Chex Mix @ 09/22/09 10:34:58 AMreport abuse
  • Whats Left - Lane Has Spoken
    Well, folks! Pack it up, turn the lights out and go home. Lane has put us in our place! But one last question LANE!

    "Given the fact that we know the earth has cooled and and warmed over the years and the fact that the sun has a lot to do with this, could this, (just a thought), be another cycle?"

    I mean there have been many problems with models, there are just as scientist questioning the findings as came they are true and we heard many of the same arguments 30 years ago when they claimed that we were headed for another ICE AGE!

    I'm not whining LANE, just asking questions. Alot of the whining I hear is from people like you that wish folks didn't ask questions!

    AND IT KEEPS GETTING FUNNIER!
    By D.D. @ 09/22/09 10:34:39 AMreport abuse
  • @ Lane
    I'm making it my point to expose your idiocy today. Coldest and wettest summer on record where I live. That's global warming how? Oh I forgot... it's climate change now because global warming was obviously not happening. Yes, your hero Al Gore is very concerned. Just not concerned enough to live green in a small house or to limit his globe trotting in a private jet. It's only an important issue when he can use it to control how all us rabble live.
    By Steve L @ 09/22/09 10:28:04 AMreport abuse
  • Still waiting for the requisite anecdotal refutation of global warming
    I'm still waiting for the first comment from some dumb dumb who is going to write that it was cold in his town last Thursday, and his brother-in-law said it was a cool summer in Nebraska, and therefore concludes "global warming is not true".
    By Science Guy @ 09/22/09 10:25:44 AMreport abuse
  • business of studies
    One of the issues in the scientific communities is how these studies are funded. If one bucks the prevailing winds your funding is cut off. This produces results favorable to whomever is paying for it.

    Still there are many conflicting studies from credible sources rebutting this whole 'climate change' issue.

    What scares me is that we still know so little about it all. And these fools are talking about shooting particles into the atmosphere.

    Get some warm clothes boys and girls. A new ice age is coming.
    By Right Wing Nut @ 09/22/09 10:17:55 AMreport abuse
  • Brussels
    I have read in other articles that the EU is less than pleased that the US Senate must ratify anything that comes out of the Copenhagen talks. (Therefore theoretically limiting the damaging effects).

    I have noticed that Brussels is drifting closer to Moscow of the '80s. Trying its best to eliminate those pesky democratic (small D) institutions that get in their way.
    By Dave @ 09/22/09 09:57:36 AMreport abuse
  • layne meyer
    I want my 2 dollars
    By the paper boy @ 09/22/09 09:38:13 AMreport abuse
  • Another Problem
    Obama needs to confess to the world that the chief source of global warming right now is coming from the exhaust generated by the printing machines at the United States Mint.
    By Randy @ 09/22/09 09:27:53 AMreport abuse
  • Crazy conspiracies
    Here we go again with Boort'z hair-brained notion, pretty much unrepeated in any credible mainstream forum (not even credible conservative forums), that "global warming" is a sinister plot concocted by a combination of scientists and Marxists and one-world government types to destroy capitalism. Sounds like the plot of a bad James Bong movie.

    Look, I hope Boortz is correct and that global warming is a "fraud". But wishing it so does not make it so. And it does not make you more of a "manly man" to "be against" global warming.

    The prestigious journal Science, which is a science publication, not a political publication, recently published the results of a study concluding, "The human-driven buildup of heat-trapping greenhouse gases in the atmosphere appears to have ended a slide, many millenniums in the making, toward cooler summer temperatures in the Arctic."

    http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/325/5945/1236
    By Jenny @ 09/22/09 09:26:03 AMreport abuse
  • layne meyer
    I want my two dollars!
    By The paper boy @ 09/22/09 09:22:55 AMreport abuse
  • Wait for the Orwellian “we didn't say Global warming, we said Global Cooling”
    The problem for them now is how can they blame the US for Global Cooling?
    By ACE @ 09/22/09 09:21:42 AMreport abuse
  • Some people are just babies
    See, I dont care if you are republican so long as you just dont complain every time a liberal does something. GLOBAL WARMING IS NOT A POLITICAL ISSUE, IT IS THE ENVIRONMENT. Just because Al Gore did a movie about it does not mean you have to hate trying to save the environment. No reason to bring up nerdy crap that doesnt matter. Every idiot in the world can look at the pictures from Inconvenient Truth and see that the Environment is changing. So republicans need to quit crying as always and try and do something for once. Stop trying to make every issue political.
    By Lane Meyer @ 09/22/09 09:18:17 AMreport abuse
  • not a tax
    But the president said that $1700 isn't a tax so no need to worry
    By Colin @ 09/22/09 09:11:21 AMreport abuse
  • rocking chair argument
    the world and business has already moved on from this conversation

    http://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/article.aspx?id=4334
    By snarkybird @ 09/22/09 09:10:15 AMreport abuse
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