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CAMERAS IN YOUR COMMUNITY

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Neal Boortz
@ September 10, 2009 8:42 AM
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Lancaster, Pennsylvania is about to become the Big Brother of the United States. The community is installing 165 surveillance cameras, making their system larger than systems in cities like Boston or San Francisco.

So what are the people of Lancaster upset about?

The fact that these cameras will be monitored by ordinary citizens rather than the police. They will be monitored 18 to 24 hours a day by the Lancaster Community Safety Coalition, which is a nonprofit board that works with police.

Now, all of the sudden, the people are concerned about their privacy. They aren't concerned when it is the government monitoring their communities ....

Is there a problem here? Only if these cameras can observe what people are doing in private. If these cameras are monitoring the streets and sidewalks then the people monitoring these cameras can't see a thing they wouldn't see if they were standing there on that very same street. I don't really see the problem here.



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What others are saying

  • Expectation of Privacy
    Expectation of Privacy on a public street, who are you kidding, Unless it's peeking through the curtains its no different than a cop on everycorner. Or if we were in another country a citizen informant...
  • I don't see it....anywhere
    I don't like the idea of these cameras, but there is nothing in the US constitution or bill of rights granting citizens privacy. Just like the word Democracy...it ain't in there.
  • The Fading of the US Dollar
    Back in early July the leaders of India, China, Brazil and Russia, ones whose governments are some of the world's largest dollar holders -- jointly declared the need for a "more diversified international monetary system," sparking a drop in the greenback on world markets. One of the outcomes of this meeting has been for the International Monetary Fund (IMF) to position itself to "print" $300 billion worth of Special Drawing Rights ("SDR's"), 10 times more than currently exist today, for distribution to various nations around the globe. These SDR's be held as reserve deposits by each nation's central bank effectively in place of US dollars.
    Many have argued the SDRs' role should be widened to serve as the world's de facto reserve currency. This would allow nations such as China to "trade in" their US dollars for SDRs, effectively allowing for a transition away from the greenback, alledgedly without causing a sharp fluctuation in the dollar's value. That last bit is hard to believe for some of us.
    Today we are at the mercy of an administration that is using the power of the Federal Reserve to print money in a misguided effort to stimulate credit / lending. This is going to result in stagflation, the combination of a stagnating economy / high unemployment and high inflation. Because of the massive flooding of the money supply it may well be far worse than the kind of mess we experienced as a result of Carter's misguided policies in the late 70's where unemployment peaked at just over 9.5%, inflation topped out at 13.5% and interest rates hit 21% by the early 80's.

    The Obamessiah and his financial team have landed on the answer that classical Keynesian economics will somehow work today. Just flood the economy with liquidity (ie. print massive amounts of new money) and somehow new found credit will spark the contracting economy into action and offset those nasty old rising high unemployment stats. Given the Fed's printing press is running at full speed its hard to imagine that the use of SDR's will somehow not cause a serious drop in the value of the dollar and resultant high interest rates here in the US.

    After ~ 25 years of "Reaganomics" as the interim solution that worked well until misguided / compassionate and corrupt government regulation (think Carter's "compassionate" CRA, and Barney Frank / Chris Dodd effectively controlling Fannie and Freddie Mae here) "gummed up the works".

    Now Keynesian economics is coming back again, and this initiatives coming from around the world turning against the dollar as the defacto global reserve currency. Stagflation and skyrocketing interest rates will be the result for our profligate federal spending which is now ~ 170+% of tax receipts. Like this is sustainable in anything other than the “Bizarro World” of Obama and his delusional economic team?

    "Giving money and power to the government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys."
    ...P.J. O'Rourke - writer / satirist
  • It's a double-edged sword (and not my biggest worry).
    They've ID'd killers and rapists who would have gotten away, and they've harrassed and nitpicked people bothering no one.

    They'd have to be much sturdier than I'm seeing to survive just the elementary kids in the neighborhoods I grew up in, and they weren't bad neighborhoods. These things are such obvious targets. Nowadays, they'd probably most often spotted being sold out of someone's car trunk a week after they put them up.

    It seems kinda silly to quibble over who's monitoring them.
  • badges? we don't need ..................................
    hahahahaha........tshirt.......sharpshooter badge......hahahahaha......

    youz alreddy good at shootin' from da LIP.......hahahahaha.......who luvs ya.....huh?.....butt neckid luvs ya dats who..........
  • Exactly what I was thinking Doc
    paint balls guns
    i would get my expert sharpshooter badge if they were brought to my city
    By tshirt-doctor.com
  • More proof
    Just more proof that Boortz is not the libertarian mind that he claims to be. This is a clear violation of privacy, but I guess he wouldn't mind living in a panopticon. As long as it catches more criminals, right?
  • move it to the.................................
    if I could get it to focus on that sweeeeeeet red headed girl across the street........life would be ..........
  • Cameras?
    There is a community here in Orlando that has a set of cameras installed, just that there is nothing in the camera cases.
  • I grew up in Lancaster
    I grew up in Lancaster. And let me tell you, this is needed right now in the History of the city. Over the past 30 years, every low-life creep from New York City and Jersey have been flocking there because it's cheap. This once gorgeous town is now a run-down cesspool.

    Whole entire historic grave yards, covered in graffiti and hundreds of tomb stones knocked over. The place is a dump.

    Lancaster is merely trying to rid itself of the destruction caused by looters.

    If these pigs and cock roaches came to your town eventually you all would do the same.
  • my problem with this
    My problem is that a camera is always vigilant. It records everything in its view. A person (cop) will not be able to go back in time and see how many time I drove into McDonald's, how long I stayed, or even who else goes there the same time I do. Unless I am under survailinace for doing something already. We all do things wrong in public, yes we do. Instead of having a person on the corner, one person can be on 20 corners. An old saying - if are looking for trouble, will will find it.
    Nevermind, as long as they can give tickets to those smokers that throw there butts everywhere, I'll give up all my aninimity. "FOR THE GREATER GOOD"
  • Cameras
    The cameras are constitutional as long as they are taping only public places. But the question should be, "What are these cameras going to be used for?" What is the purpose of the cameras? Do the costs associated with maintaining and monitoring them make sense? And why are taxpayers paying for it?

    Cameras do not prevent crime, they just report what happened after the fact. If someone is going to mug a person in broad daylight a camera isn't going to stop them.
  • Big Brother
    Boortz doesn't have a problem with Big Brother watching. He didn't have a problem with government performing warrantless wiretaps (even though it was illegal) or with NSA spying on US citizens in the US (even though THAT was illegal too).

    Boortz thinks we all belong to the government & shouldn't mind them monitoring our every move.
  • The difference is there isnt a cop on every corner
    The difference is there isnt a cop(or "monitor" for that matter) on every corner currently. And there never should be.
    Although I understand the reasoning Boortz suggests for thinking it is ok. I disagree because right now we have a presumption of privacy in our everyday lives.
    Now if someone is there , The privacy does go away. But if you permanently place cameras there then all moves outside of your house can be monitored. Where does it stop?
    And these can be used in court, Such as divorce cases and such. Or in the extreme. Your political opponents could monitor all your moves.

    Not good to just pass it by by saying
    "If these cameras are monitoring the streets and sidewalks then the people monitoring these cameras can't see a thing they wouldn't see if they were standing there on that very same street. I don't really see the problem here."

    Much more complicated than that.
  • Yes...
    Camera surveilance already exists in a big way in America and it is only being expanded. This new product from Microsoft called Project Natal that is coming out soon is a window right into your living room. The funny thing is that people WANT to have this. Sure it is very cool, but I must remind you that this device not only video records you, but it can also RECOGNIZE the faces of up to four people in the room at once. Did you hear what I said? Microsoft is putting out technology that goes in your living room and it WATCHES you and your family. All I can say is you better read the Privacy Agreement before you turn that badboy on. You may be giving big brother a window into your home and the ability to recognize your face. NOW THAT is scary.
  • Traffic Cameras alone 78 in Lilburn/Snellville Area
    Anybody else notice that as they redo 78 to take out the suicide lanes that they're installing traffic cams at every stoplight facing in every direction? What's up with that?
  • paint balls guns
    i would get my expert sharpshooter badge if they were brought to my city
  • Cameras
    Gee whiz, you mean we can't wee-wee in our own backyards anymore?
  • Cameras
    I base my judgement of cameras like this on whether they are merely taking the place of an able bodied individual. A red light cam takes the place of a cop standing on the corner. A traffic cam takes the place of a manned cruiser. I draw the line at cameras that could see inside things (heat or IR sensing). And I'd mush rather have qualified laymen watching than a government entity.
  • Permanant Police Cameras
    No issue? Really? Constant surveillance and monitoring the comings and goings of the citizenry is *not* a problem? If it is OK for these stooges to track people if standing on a street corner, then they should bloody well STAND ON THE STREET and take notes.

    This technology creep is such that it won't be long before I can expect that in order to obtain services *paid by your taxes* you'll have to "agree" to monitors within your living quarters.

    This is a camel's nose.
  • Crazy Republicans
    Looks like the republicans in this town are a little TOO into the Patriot Act
  • Cameras
    Sorry, this is an invasion of my rights. Speed cameras, traffic light cameras, any government installed cameras that observe the general public are a violation of the constitution. If you have traffic problems, get more
    traffic cops. Crime in the streets, more foot patrols by both cops & citizens. Cameras are the wrong way to do ANY type of police job. Yes, private companies, individuals, and secure locations can have cameras. That is obvious. But a corner camera that can send me a ticket for jay-walking, ludicrous.

    We should not allow this to proliferate.
  • If it's good for the goose......
    Maybe citizens who are against this policy should buy cameras and have them placed on private property pointing to the members' of Lancaster Safety Coalition homes.

    Who is watching the watchers?

    I wonder what their response would be.
  • Wear a monkey mask in public
    I can't remember which Big Brother city it was, but the story was a man didn't like the traffic cameras. His solution was to wear a gorilla mask while driving. When he got a ticket through the mail, he brought it to court and challeged the ticket on the basis that the camera in no way could identify him as the driver. It just goes to show taking people out of the equation seems like it may be a good idea until you get down to the basics.
  • Street Cams
    You number 86 work harder touch your toes.

    Not to be feared Boortz is absolutely correct what would be the difference between these cameras and putting a cop on every corner...
  • Cameras
    Knowing the way Pennsylvanians behave, there are going to be a lot of very busy camera repair companies in Lancaster soon.
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