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AFTERTHOUGHT - OBAMA'S AUTO INSURANCE COMPARISON

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Neal Boortz
@ September 21, 2009 12:07 PM
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Can't believe it. Right out of the starting gate today someone calls and wants to say that Obama's comparison to mandated health insurance is the same thing as auto insurance. Obama has been putting this asinine comparison out there for some time ... but it simply doesn't work. There are two reasons' he gets away with this:

1. The media won't call him on it. They created him. They put him in power. They don't want to embarrass themselves.

2. The people Obama is talking to are largely government-educated. 'Nuff said.

I'll try to make this simple ... so that even a Democrat can understand it.

In most states you are NOT required to have automobile insurance unless three conditions are met:

1. You have a valid driver's license

2. You own a motor vehicle

3. You drive that motor vehicle on public highways

Does a 12-year-old riding with a friend to school have to have auto insurance? No. Neither, for that matter, does a 32-year-old. So Obama's ridiculous comparison dies right there.

But wait! There's more! When it comes to auto insurance, most states say that you only must have insurance to protect the OTHER GUY! You buy health insurance to protect yourself.

Bottom line .. When Obama draws his absurd comparison between his mandatory health insurance and auto insurance, he knows he's not making sense. He also knows that most Americans don't know he isn't making sense .. and his media pals sure aren't going to call him on it.



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  • NON OF YOU GUYS COMMENTARY MAKES ANY SENSE ABOUT PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA
    Fist and foremost all I'm reading is complaints! let's not forget the man that made all this happen in the white house...George Bush 1 and 2...I want people to remember these two presidents...both were affiliated with war and both diminished our U.S.A. economy as well as other things, our new president's plans are doing are showing a positive effect on the middle and lower class right now! people still think the money they make is their own! money is a system and taxes will be paid regardless! taxes for war or taxes for health care or auto insurance, etc! old washed out plans come from old washed out thinkers, people don't like change, but without better change you all can find yourselves extinct! I'm sure the dinosaurs didn't like change but hey look where they're at now,,,bones in a museum for all the world to see,,,and when we people see these bones we see how far we'd come! alot of haters abroad responding to this blog but non of you'll really care about other people! selfish people hate to give or to compromise! the middle and low class is what drives this nation,,,like my ancestors,,,slaves drove this land before it was a nation,,,people want to sweep shiit under the rug but we not going to let you do that,,,we the true citizens of the U.S.A my ancestors paid my peoples dues! what about yours? what have your ancestors done? except rape and pillage the under privileged peoples of the world!
  • Obama Auto Insurance Comparison
    Obama claimed he once bought mandated auto insurance thru a compamy set up to just meet state mandated insurance. When he was rear ended he called the company and they would not even discuss it. As a lawyer he should have known the mandated insurance was just for liability, no collision. The vehicle who rear ended him was probably at fault and their insurance company was the one to call.
  • LOL
    Auto insurance is mandatory because cars are important unlike people...

    and actually in many states Auto insurance is not mandatory at all, "proof of financial responsibility" is though, and they are not the same, look it up
  • just making money
    some journalists say things just to make money. I.E Rush Limbaugh & this guy. don't even know his name; don't even care. it's a waste of neurons. (Boobs, was it?)

    what a ridiculous article that says nothing really.The 'plan' however is a good idea. Incentive to keep your insurance current is no different than paying that credit card bill on time to maintain GOOD CREDIT. duh.
  • article
    awesome
    cheap car insurance--cheap car insurance
  • re:Snarky
    "but, if you want to - go gin up a majority who feel differently."

    It's comin' baby, it's comin'....
  • reburley
    I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say a govt program that's been in place for over 40 years is not "radical". At least not to those of us who can count.

    to cage the current growth in debt, unemployment, and government in "medicare" really speaks volumes about your real agenda here. in essence, the truth doesnt matter to you - it's just about you and your desire to end programs like this.

    which brings me to my last point "How about my freedom to keep what is mine?". You're certainly free to keep all that is yours. Just as your free to go live in another country.

    that last part you just dont get. freedom aint free. and if you had any notion of the entire spectrum of socioeconomic, security, and regulatory infrastructure you get to enjoy and use to earn what you do, maybe you'd see a little more clearly why the majority of us like it the way it is.

    but, if you want to - go gin up a majority who feel differently.

    I agree with bruce though - it aint gonna happen. http://www.forbes.com/2009/09/17/federal-budget-spending-opinions-columnists-bruce-bartlett.html

    but keep dreaming.

    or, if you ever come to your sense, join the rest of us in reality and help come up with real solutions.
  • re:Snarky
    Snarky, Sweetheart, I wish you would look around. Medicare is radical. It's painted up to be a humanitarian effort but it's still government waste and a debt manufactury. YOu already said you don't have a choice about it. That is as un-AMerican as a thing gets:NO CHOICE! Take your head out of your @$$ and look around: the only thing growing in the U.S. right now is DEBT, UNEMPLOYMENT and GOVERNMENT! Oh and the list of entitlements available to people with NO intention of working, ever...
    I just realized what you said here:"you view them as a threat to liberty. but, none have surfaced". How about my freedom to keep what is mine? Why am I greedy for wanting to keep it but you're not greedy for wanting to TAKE IT! Why won't you answer my other questions? Does it trouble you at all when you think of the debt YOU are heaping on your child?
  • reburley
    well, big bill gets it:

    http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/09/obamas-key-ally-on-the-public-option.html#more

    this is my point. you view these changes as radical. they are about as radical as medicare.

    you view them as a threat to capitalism. I think that's ridiculous. and the unprecedented growth of the US is evidence that you're wrong.

    you view them as a threat to liberty. but, none have surfaced.

    I think you're an alarmist who stands in opposition based on a misreading of facts and history.

    and there is nothing "indirect" about health insurance and interstate commerce.
  • What, now you think...
    Suddenly you think that the "health insurance" premiums you pay the government aren't going primarily to protect "the other guy"? :)
  • health insurance like car insurance
    Oh gosh, I wish health insurance was like car insurance. By that I mean I wish we could just get coverage for catastrophic illness. The day to day, year in, year out stuff we can handle. I am old enough to remember going to the doctor and my mom paying the doctor actual money for the visit. Why are we using credit to pay doctors? We are paying more using insurance. If we paid the actual cost, it wouldn't take so much out of our pockets.

    Most health insurance costs about $2,160 per year. I doubt it would cost you $2,160 for doctor's visits per year. And buy your aspirin and cold remedies on sale. They always go on sale.
  • Commerce Clause
    This part is particularly interesting:
    "But even these modern era precedents which have expanded congressional power under the Commerce Clause confirm that this power is subject to outer limits. In Jones & Laughlin Steel, the Court warned that the scope of the interstate commerce power "must be considered in the light of our dual system of government and may not be extended so as to embrace effects upon interstate commerce so indirect and remote that to embrace them, in view of our complex society, would effectually obliterate the distinction between what is national and what is local and create a completely centralized government."
    Note where it says "EXPANDED CONGRESSIONAL POWER". Joyce is right, it's only relevant to the things we ARE buying by choice. Not things forced upon us by people who don't understand freedom. That's the whole problem Snarky, expanded government. Through these interpretations the Constitution has been slowly eroded until Liberty is a mere ghost of what it once was. We have judges in place who have sworn to uphold the Constitution but have spent all their lives swimming in the semantics of legalese without understanding the impact of their interpretations. Expansion of Congressional reach is where we are drawing the line. Why does liberty scare you so much? I'm truly sorry about your struggles, but no one can do more good with my money than me! As soon as the government gets involved the value of any money injected is radically curtailed by the overhead inherent in a corrupt bureaucracy. Unfortunately, that's about all we have left in Washington; Corrupt bureaucrats, most of them LAWYERS! Snarky, I really do love you but you need to wake up to the fact that the only reason there is even a "Liberal Culture" in America is because Capitalism and personal Liberty have made this the strongest, wealthiest, safest nation on the planet. Remove those and soon we will ALL be poor. Please open your eyes. Everywhere big government is tried it reduces freedom and prosperity. Where would you draw the line Snark? What freedoms do you want to keep? Are you content to simply be a kept person, a subject(ward) of the state? I've noticed you mention your kids, how much debt do you want them to live under as grown-ups? Do you want them to be wards of the state? DO you believe that any of those stories of Utopian Socialism will ever come true? Do you REALLY believe that your government is the ONLY group that is not greedy?!
  • Obama's Auto Insurance Comparison
    Another point that might warrant mentioning...

    Car insurance is dirt cheap ($90 a month for my wife and I) vs $650 a month for a health insurance family plan I get at work.
  • Obama Obama what are we going to do with you?
    Obama's comparison is apples to oranges. If he wants to compare it to auto insurance he should compare it to auto REPAIR insurance that you would purchase from a dealer's repair shop. I don't think the gov't has mandated that now, or has it? Better not give them the idea; may be a platform for 2012.
  • The difference is liability
    The real important part of this is that what is REQUIRED is LIABILITY coverage. This only covers the party you injure in an accident that YOU cause. I don;t know of a single stae, and I could be wrong, where you are required to carry COMPREHENSIVE auto insurance (that which covers both the persons you injured and yourself).

    Health insurance is for my own self, not to protect someone I damaged in the course of my life. Mandatory heath insurance is like having to pay a tax, just for existing.
  • rejoyce
    You said 'We have family hospitalization, cancer, special event and one other I can't remember"

    OK, I emailed the president and told him to stand down on this healthcare thing. Joyce is covered and would never have an issue and hasn't had one so, I told him we were all good to go now.

    Thanks for telling us! I thought there was a problem.
  • rejoyce
    it is constitutional.

    we buy health insurance and we pay for medicare now - I can't not pay for medicare or medicaid.

    this is no different. It IS just like auto insurance. You're forced to buy it so if you cause damage, everyone involved is covered for your accident. same thing with this. that's the point that keeps being made and you all just miss - we're ALREADY PAYING FOR THIS when people dont get insurance and then need care.

    it's a similar thing. and it is most assuredly constitutional.
  • Catastrophic is fairly cheap
    We have family hospitalization, cancer, special event and one other I can't remember, but for all four we pay $143 a month for catastrophic. And I'm sure we have more than most people would need.
  • Commerce Clause
    Only applies to those items we buy. Does not say that you HAVE to buy anything.

    Also only applies to those items enumerated to being granted power to Congress. Health care or forcing us to buy something, is not.

    This is an un-constitutional issue and even if it passes, will be contested.
  • Force, compel, isn't this the land of the Free?
    ...or somewhat free, kinda free, ore relatively free. Lets ditch the rest and keep the free.

    The next time businesses and states start talking about unfunded Federal mandates, more people will know firsthand what they're talking about.
  • Auto Insurance
    Let's not forget, too, that in many states, you only have to have auto insurance if you cannot prove that you have the financial means to cover any damages yourself.

    In other words, you can opt out by agreeing (and proving that you can) pay your own way.
  • Catastrophic Insurance
    This would be the one that they MIGHT have justification for. There is already a law in place preventing emergency rooms/hospitals from turning away patients regardless of ability to pay and other reasons. I won’t debate the validity of this one except to point out that it came out of the civil rights era and AT THE TIME was needed. Refusing to debate if that law has outlived its usefulness (because it would drag us completely off subject), as long as it exists the idea of requiring catastrophic insurance or a personal bond in place of insurance could be justified in order to prevent the hospitals or the public from having to foot those bills, because that would shift the burden back to the individual where it belongs.
  • car/health
    My current car insurance policy covers some medical expenses. If Big O's plan goes through and everyone has health insurance is my car premium going to go down. Just a thought. Also...my insurance representative is a racist.
  • reandrew
    andrew, you really need to read up on the commerce clause

    http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/93-1260.ZO.html

    Not to mention that it's ridiculous to presume that healthcare in general has ever been solely up to the states. Medicare, VA, etc - long ago under federal control legally.

    you're essentially arguing that healthcare generally and the sale of health insurance is not commercial in nature.
  • Neal, YOU used this comparison first!!!
    Not three weeks ago, you were going on and on comparing buying insurance for your car and buying for your health, and how you wouldn't expect to buy insurance for your car after you got in an accident so why would you expect to buy insurance for your health after a sickness? REMEMBER THAT , NEAL?

    That was just as bogus as this comparison. You CANNOT compare health insurance and car insurance on ANY level.

    Cars can be fixed... human bodies can have chronic and terminal diseases. No one is forced to buy a car, so no one is forced to have insurance, and it is ignorant to suggest humans should be forced to buy health insurance on the basis that they are forced to buy car insurance (they are not).

    How about , Neal, that you stop using these stupid comparisons if you want PresBO to stop using them? Both of you sound like fools !
  • Okay....
    Anybody remember the Wallflower's song "Driving With One Headlight"? If el Presidente is going to break out the car reference for Health insurance debate...let's take it a step further.
  • Actually....
    I don't know about other states, but in the state of Florida, you can own motor cycle and legally drive with no insurance. So Neal should further qualify his comments on the three requirements since 'motor vehicle' is vague.... and trust me, there are plenty of people that choose to drive motorcycles as their main transportation.
  • Auto Care
    Don't forget that EVERYONE will need health care at some point in their life. That does'nt work for insurance. And there in lies the rub.
  • State??
    For those who are wondering why it is ok by the states and not the Federal gov. just read the 1 sentence that makes up the 10th amendment:

    "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
  • Insurance not mandatory
    Also, in some states, you don't need insurance if you post a bond to the state. So, to carry the analogy further, I don't need health insurarance if I want to pay cash to my OWN doctor!!
  • A la carte?
    I wish health insurance was like car insurance--if I don't want collision on my clunker, I don't have to have it! Why should I (a male) have to have group coverage maternity for example???
  • Neal, you missed the real comparison
    Ok, here goes for anyone who cares.

    They say Insurance for Automobiles is mandated.

    Sure thing, to protect against Casualties. Realistically, we need Automobiles, so to say you are not required to carry it is largely a non-starter.

    But let us examine what that Insurance covers. Does your Insurance cover trips to the Mechanic? How about it, does your Insurance cover tune ups? How about engine replacement? Does it cover brakes or tires?

    Now, I personally think we should ALL have catastrophic care insurance, for no other reason than it protects us from having to pay for those who are idiotic enough to not carry it. You could add language such as states have that you can eliminate the provision by proving personal ability to pay claims.

    The sad thing is, Catastrophic care insurance is dirt cheap, and I am personally not aware of anyone who could not afford it that also does not have cable TV, a Cell phone, not to mention a Playstation 3 or two as well.

    A final thought for those who wish to consider it. What would your Auto Insurance cost if it included maintenance as well as accidents?

    Would you be more likely to take it in for routine tune ups, and would you run those brakes to the end of their lifespan?

    Thought not.
  • Just Where in the Constitution?
    Isn't this power, the power to make us buy something, left up to the states? Not on interviewer asked, where in the Constitution it says the government can make you buy something? Can anyone help me out here and point to anything that even comes close to this? And I'm talking Federal gov't., not state.
  • Not even close
    One more thing to consider is that if you don't want to buy auto insurance you have the choice not to drive a car. If you don't want health insurance you have to drop dead or pay a fine. Enough said -
  • states
    So what?

    So, it's mandated by the states.

    what's your point? that is shouldn't be? essentially all you're doing is pointing to precedent... set by the states.

    like, what, the federal govt cant do something across all states that they already do now individually?

    You're only underscoring the obvious point being made.
  • Same as Auto?
    If it is the same as auto insurance then I want the ability to buy auto insurance for pre-existing conditions!!
  • Auto vs Health Insurance
    The ONLY comparison to these two insurances is that for the auto I carry underinsured and uninsured for the idiots driving around w/o coverage. Our taxes would also be for the under nd uninsured in health care.
  • Auto Insurance mandates
    Another point for you Neal, if you notice, auto insurance is mandated by the STATES, not the federal government.
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