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UNION HEALTHCARE

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Neal Boortz
@ August 26, 2009 8:10 AM
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Included in one of the House versions of the healthcare reform bill is a little gift to the unions. One provision includes $10 billion to pay off medical costs of union members and retirees. Section 164, a reinsurance program for retirees, sets aside $10 billion in order to set up a temporary reinsurance program "to provide reimbursement to participating employment-based plans for part of the cost of providing health benefits to retirees age 55-64 and their families ... Employment-based plans must apply to participate and be approved, and the health care plan would reimburse participating employment-based plans for 80 percent of the cost of benefits in excess of $15,000 and under $90,000." Pure pork for the Democrat's union pals.

Then we get this explanation from UAW President Ron Gettelfinger. He says, "We need meaningful health care reform if we are going to get our economy going again ... Decent, affordable health care should be a right of every American, not a privilege."

Now here's what Gettelfinger is saying. In order to receive health care someone has to provide you with a service. This means that someone has to expend time, property or both to provide you with your health care. Usually this health care provider is compensated for their time or property. But ... if, as this footstool Gettelfinger says ... healthcare is a "right," then that would mean that you are legally entitled to the healthcare provider's time and property .. and that you don't have to pay anything at all for the service? After all, we shouldn't have to buy what is rightfully ours, should we?

The claim that healthcare is a right is tantamount to a claim that you have a right to a portion of the life and property of another. Defend that one.



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  • jack's theft of my work
    So jack, you are telling me, that if I work hard and educate myself, at my OWN expense, work hard, get a good job, and finally reap the rewards of my hard work, studying to better myself, and earn good insurance. I am supposed to subsidize some lazy "stock clerk" that refused to work hard to better themselves by working hard and going to school? Just because, by their choice in life to end up where there are, I'm supposed to pay for their insurance? They refused to study and go to school, but partied instead. They snorted drugs like your obamamesssiah, instead of working to better themselves, and you want ME to support them? Why the heck did I go to school and work hard, if you want the "gubmint" to give my insurance for away for free? You welfare queens kill me. Thank fdr for that. So should I lay on "my" lazy butt like you jack, and let da "gubbimint" give my "check"?
  • Right to healthcare...
    Though I agree with Neal that any sort of government interference in health care is likely to end badly and that single payer systems come at a cost too high to pay, the argument that you never have a right to a portion of another person's life is fallacious.

    In order to safeguard life, liberty and property and to properly enforce contracts, and to ensure the common defense, some people somewhere must pay with a portion of their life or liberty. We pay our policemen, our judges and our soldiers. We have a right to a jury trial and a right to be safe in our homes and businesses. It takes other people's time and money to ensure these rights. There are plenty of good arguments against universal, taxpayer-provided health care(See Thomas Sowell, Mark Steyn et al at the National Review). This isn't one of them.
  • Gettelfinger
    check the etymology on "gettel" i'll bet it means "excrement". probably old Gaelic or something.
  • I don't have health insurance...
    I usually do, but can't afford it right now. I think it is absolutely ridiculous that health care should be a "right". I will get it when I can afford it, and try to stay healthy in the meantime.

    These same people who seem to think health care is a right...Do you also think it is your right to have free housing, free daycare, free gasoline, and a free car??? Ridiculous. GD freeloaders.
  • If healthcare is a right then I should have the right to stay in a bedroom at the White House since I'm helping to pay for it.
  • "Right" to health care
    "If you can't afford private schooling then you or your kids should not be educated."

    No, Jack, it's simpler than that. If you can't afford school, you shouldn't have kids. Modern medicine has determined what causes kids, and found it's preventable.

    "Once the money/house is gone, let him/her or their kids just die. It's as simple as that."

    Jack, the appeal to pity was a fallacy in Aristotle's time, and it still is.

    So Jack, are you saying that one man's need is a claim to the fruits of another man's labor? Seems to me we once called that slavery. Last I checked, that was a bad thing.
  • Jack Smythe
    I don't think you should have to pay for school if you have no kids! So most of what you posted as what ifs, probably should not be mandatory and were more than likely established by the Dems.

    Bad things happen, some even happen to good people. But I should not be made to help people unless I want to. There are plenty of charities around, I give to those. Do you?

    Anyone can get a quality education, it's called a loan. Don't start paying it back till you graduate and get a job. Really low interest rates too.

    Try it. And GET OUT OF MY POCKET!
  • Park It
    Umm... State Parks and US parks charge a fee to everyone...

    Parks, libraries, schools etc are not health (or life or auto insurance).

    And WHY am I paying for your schools ... good question...
  • @Jack Smythe
    >>>In a decent civilized society everyone should have a right to basic essential services.<<<<

    Hey, dunce, as Joyce points out, you do have a 'right" to basic essential services" already. Has anyone blockaded the door to your local doctor or hospital when you went there while you were sick? Were you denied entry to visit the doctor or hospital? What you are asking for is a "right" to pillage and plunder other people to pay for your services.
  • To Joyce
    Let's use your logic.

    - Why do I have to pay to school your kids? Getting an education is no more important than treating the sick. If you can't afford to pay for school maybe you
    or your kids shouldn't go to school even if they are smart. If you can't afford private schooling then you or your kids should not be educated.

    - Why do I have to pay for the park your kids play in? Let's have an admission fee for every park.

    - If a person calls the police or fire department they should get billed for the service?

    - Let's start charging user fees for anyone that uses a library,

    - And if a person is poor, uneducated, or works in a job that does not provide health insurance, then let him/her lose everything to pay medical bills. Once the money/house is gone, let him/her or their kids just die. It's as simple as that.

    - And only educated people with high quality jobs should deserve or be able to afford health care insurance. If you are a shipper, store clerk, laboror, factory worker, teacher, social worker etc and have to choose between food and health insurance, then it's your fault that you aren't in a better job.

    After all my property is seized through taxes to pay for these privileges. And maybe you should consider moving to India.
  • Expressed rights not granted
    Under this line of reasoning, that all "rights" should be provided free, I went down to the local gun shop, picked out my favorite handgun, and tried to walk out without paying. After all, this is an ACTUAL right, written out in the Bill of Rights. For some reason though, John, the owner, didn't understand this concept and called in the police, who proceeded to not only deny me my right to a gun by taking it away and giving it back to John, but they also took me to jail. This is obviously a violation of several of my civil rights. Who can I sue?
  • Legacy Costs
    This section of the bill is just a ploy to rid the American automobile industry of the crippling legacy costs of their union contracts - pensions and health insurance - and throw that cost to all of the American people. Right now we can avoid paying those costs by not buying American cars. But the Unions want each and every American taxpayer to pay those costs, which will increase the profitability of the American car companies AND the unions - since they now OWN large portions of the car companies. This crap is UNBELIEVABLE!!! Did you know that GM alone spends $75 MILLION annually buying VIAGRA for retirees?
  • RE: Defend that one
    >>he claim that healthcare is a right is tantamount to a claim that you have a right to a portion of the life and property of another. Defend that one.<<

    No one HAS to be a doctor. Their are compliance costs associated with operating a business (Permits, Licenses, etc), this is just another cost of business for being a doctor or healthcare worker -- a well-compensated bunch indeed.
  • Jack Smythe
    All Americans already have the right to healthcare. It's the making me pay for it that they do not have the right to do. You need health care? Go to a doctor. If you and he/she agree on a price, there ya go.
  • Right on Jack Smythe
    And I need access to free bus passes and cars and cels fones too so I can gets to my job and communicate with my peeps....Oh wait...I ain't gots a job. I also need gas for my car and better section 8, so I can look for a job, or else I caint live! My $700 in food stamps don't cut it either. I can only buy lobsta for me and my husband...My kids ain't got none!
  • Health care should be a right, not a privilege.
    In a decent civilized society everyone should have a right to basic essential services. These include access to clean air and water, schooling, police services and protection, and health care. These are essential services that everyone should have access to. These are not privileges. No one chooses to get cancer or have diabetes. As a society we should pool our resources, so that the healthier or wealthier person can "subsidize" the sicker person. Similarly a childless person subsidizes the schooling of a large family. A person who doesn't read subsidizes libraries in his neighborhood. And a person who lives in a safe neighborhood subsidizes the police services of people living in more dangerous neighborhoods.

    Health care should be primarily about serving the sick or injured first. Making profit should be secondary. This is basic human decency. Do we really want to live in a "totally" democratic society such as India? The rich get richer, while people starve on the streets. Is that what we want to be?

    And this is not about wealth envy, but basic decency.
  • Have you read the 2nd Bill of Rights?
    It was never approved, but does indeed include the RIGHT to food, housing, health care, etc.

    This is the overall agenda. Watch for it.
  • Wo Cares? I DO!!!!!!!
    Klubber Lang are you drunk, stoned or just a Dumb Mass? Are you oblivious of your world . . . Obamarama, the Congress and the Unions will bankrupt our once great country. Please, please crawl back under your rock!
  • Who cares?
    What are the odds of this bill actually passing? I love when republicans bust brain vessels just to be mad at the world
  • Unions
    It occurs to me there is no real difference in what unions have morphed into recently and the Mafia or the fascists under Mussolini and Hitler. How much more are we going to put up with from these losers?
  • amazing...
    This is outright legal plunder. read Frederic Bastiat's "The Law".
  • Don't do it
    Don't buy American Cars, don't use IBEW for any projects or contracts, don't stay at hotels staffed by SEIU employees.

    These people are the dregs of society - let their associations crumble and their looting stop!
  • Right
    You libs are really void of any logic, aren't you? Health care a right? Well, then, where does it stop with you dimwits? I guess food is a necessity to live, huh? Maybe food should be a right. We all need to be able to drive and get to work, right? Maybe transportation should be a right? Where does it stop? Are you worthless POS's capable of doing anything for yourselves, ever?
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