First, Amen!!! "Smooth Operator" preach on Brother.

Secondly, It's hard to respect people that lack any respect for themselves. Those who play the victimhood card and race card do not deserve any respect because they certainly lack any self respect. If the black community wants my respect and to be treated equally by me, then the first move they need to make is to reject black culture that Neal refers to and reject the victimhood and start acting like they want respect and equality. Until that time, I have no respect for them nor do I waste my time treating them as an equal.

"Disorderly conduct is a crime, Mike. Your agenda is showing."

Try reading the Mass statute on disorderly conduct and shoehorn Gates' behavior into that. I'll wait.

We would not even be having this discussion if Dr. Gates only had Broadview/Brinks security. His neighbor would have known it wasn't a break-in because only WHITE GUYS commit those crimes!

Ben wrote:

>I'm so sick of hearing "we need a
>dialogue on race!" The only thing you
>ever hear we need a dialogue on is
>race. What the hell is a race dialogue
>anyway?

Isn't that what we hear when NASCAR is on ESPN?

Joyce, I agree to a point. The problem with today's standardized testing is that they place so much emphasis on the test scores that teachers spend more and more time preparing the kids for the tests themselves and less and less time on the fundamentals of the course material. That tends to skew the test results even more. That explains your question earlier about how people who can't read their diploma could still earn one.

the content of my character is up to snuff.......the actions of your presidunce should be your concern......

Testing is not teaching, it is a measurement of what was taught. How else are you going to determine a student has learned anything? I don't understand how anyone can be against testing. And yes, it is the fault of the teacher's if they don't recognize that a student has a problem with testing and doesn't do anything to help them. Bad testers can be helped. But they have to be recognized first.

DC spends more per student (13k) than any other school system...need I say more?
I am not whining...you are. I just know that if the blacks want to progress they have to do it with whatever resources they have...and a huge step in the right direction would be to stop always the playing the race or victim card. if you want to go into those communities to help then knock yourself out...just don't do it with my tax dollars.

My son and I talked a bit about this after church yesterday. He told me he heard a black Atlanta preacher say to blacks that there could not be dialogue until we all learned forgivness. He said, "Some people need to crawl down off their cross and use the wood to build a bridge." I thought that was well said. By the way, my son told me also that that preacher has been ostracized by his community. Do you think it's because he mentioned God? As Rush said one day, "Some people worship their political party ahead of their God."

Sorry, Joyce, but i disagree. If a student cannot pass a fair test, it is almost always the student's fault, not the teacher's. Having taught at the University level, I was amazed by the lack of reasoning capacity of many students that were Juniors at a better-than-average University.

My younger brother and his wife are big time liberals. They voted for Obama because he would mark the end of racism in America. Their son, (my nephew), is a cop. He thinks Obama's just another race pimp. "Teach your parents well".

to my fan........I don't member no in peaches....

an' I ain't no cross dresser.....I was just checkin' that cute lil' frock fo yo' mama.....we's 'bout da same size.......

Betty-

Political correctness is part of America's educational woes, but only a part. The larger problem is simply that critical thinking and knowledge of particulars and not just generalities isn't encouraged. At all.

Joyce-

Standardized testing is a wretched way to teach kids. I'd love to explain my position further but the Internet probably isn't the best forum for that kind of thing, and besides, I can see I'm in the minority here. I'll bow out and let the rest of you enjoy your self-affirmations.

Obamas presented himself up as the "great uniter" will running for president and as he took the reins of power but his own dialogues have divided the people of this nation more than ever.While at election time there was nearly 50/50% for and against him now it seems like its 15/20/32/30/3%.I guess you keep a crisis going by dividing up not uniting.he's only succeded in uniting MORE AGAINST HIM. QUESTION:WHO KEEPS RACIAL PROFILING ALIVE? Is it the police? nope. Is it the scared whites? yeah but why are they scared? Is it the black community? Nope, generally they understand that "profiling" is a nessesary tool .Its the entertainment industry. The music industry portrays and glorifies the worst elements of blacks and presents that "profile" to the world as black culture.Hollywood also did its best to convince young blacks AND whites the gang-banger/thug/blingbling was a lifestyle to die for. All while confirming the reasons for fear and profiling to average middle american. The Entertainment Industry does more of a diservice to our country, our image here and abroad than any politician,news media or war can.Most of the world's people get all their image of us from Hollyweird and MTV. If I did that I might hate and fear us too and join the moslims in cursing the "great satan". Unfortunatly as a Christian MY religion says I'm not to destroy my enemy but to resist evil and pray for him.(killing WOULD be easier tho')

Gates is a race pimp, with a new book, and he needed some free PR coverage. That's what it's all about, and obama helped out his buddy. Please note below;

From Booker T. Washington made in 1911.
"There is a class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs. There is a certain class of race-problem solvers who don't want the patient to get well."

I venture to say Mr. Washington would agree this applies to individuals such as professor gates, al sharpton, jesse jackson, jeremiah wright and barack obama. And when bo says reparations aren't enough it's because, if it was enough, the grievances would have to end, so he will bankrupt America, one piece at a time, throwing any and all entitlements he can make up at blacks. Education is not one of them though, which is why he is against home schooling, charter schools and vouchers; because he and other race pimps don't want blacks to know that the KKK are democrats, segregation was the democrats, Jim Crow laws democrats, slavery in general, democrats, and now they pretend to be the saviors for votes so that they can keep them on the welfare plantation. From American Indian woman.

Neal, you are exactly right! They want "dialogue" now that they have been exposed as the black racists they are. Obama made a typical black racist response to a situation about which he knew nothing. Racism cuts both ways!
In this case, there were two racists, Gates and Obama.

If colored folks had not been made slaves years ago then they would not have the opportunities they have today. I'm just sayin.

There is nothing wrong with standardized testing. If some children can't pass them then there is an issue with the teachers, not the tests. And you are right, that problem cannot be fixed with money alone. Teachers themselves should be tested and pay tied to student performance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hFiab7fjak

I agree that little can be achieved here. What we have is a large group of people whose complaint is- we were enslaved by you for 250 years. This is such an oversimplification, but most people are simple.

Some things to think about:

- Name one white person today that has legally held slaves and was not punished for it?

- If you believe reparations is the only way to end the "inequality", who should pay them? White Americans? I can prove my family never owned a slave.
How about black families that recently moved to the US? What about the black slave hunters/traders in Africa? Aren't they or their families 50% culpable, or is that an inconvenient truth?

-Didn't James Monroe offer to repatriate Africans back to Africa? Read about Liberian history.

It should also be noted that many people of African descent are NOT concerned with reparations, chastised by their peers, and are successful. These are people typically labeled as "Uncle Tom" by these reparations types. Many of them are my friends and colleagues who refuse to cry "victim" and have instead been infused by an untiring work ethic.

The only thing that would make these reparations-types happy would be million-dollar extorted payouts of all the white populace, destruction of companies that legally held slaves, and the enslavement of the white populace for 250 years. After all, in this society, two wrongs make a right.

In the end, they would blow the money, still want federal assistance, live in a hooch, and be even more angry that "the man" was successful.

How many TRILLIONS have been spent on welfare programs? These programs have been dismal failures. If these reparations were paid out, I would request reimbursement of these trillions in welfare dollars received by families taking the reparations.

Also, how many "Whitys" have been displaced by "Affirmative Action" programs? Do they have a case for some form of "reparations"?

How about the American Indians? If anyone got royally screwed by Europeans, it was them. They lived across America and now live on reservations on the cruddiest land we could place them on.

Why don't we do this- offer every reparations-type 40 acres and a mule...You know- place all of them on 40 acres, and give them a mule. We can call it the 40 acre reservation. We can place it in the middle of Wyoming. They can even create their own AfricaAmerica nation.

We are past meaningful dialogue on this issue until that big, nasty, "I hate white people" chip comes off the shoulder. You went to the same schools I did. Mom and Dad paid for my lunches while you got yours free (thanks to my Mom and Dad's taxes). I paid my way through College and worked my a$$ off while you had scholarships available because of your skin color and refused to take them. Do me a favor, join society or kiss off!

Let's see,

The president "Miss-spoke" on a question at one of his scripted pressers. I don't think so. For some reason the president wanted to say what he said, and he completely miscalculated on how it would be received.

In this White House, all of the press questions are submitted in advance. There is no way the president is going to go this far off message unless he is attempting to misdirect the news cycle away from something more sinister he is up to.

Now the question: "What is he doing that we SHOULD be paying attention to?!!"

Just my paranoia showing through again


Owen

I am tired of being discriminated against simply because of the color of my skin, for what I appear to be instead of for who I am.

Abolishing bigotry should be higher on everyone's agenda.

I think it’s just weak to use the excuse you would not be allowed to bring up Boston’s Black crime stats or black culture as possible causes. So Neal what you are really saying is you give people that much power over you. So for all the people that use the excuse that these talks turn into blame whitey sessions you are just as weak as a black person using the blame whitey excuse, I say stand up speak your mind just be able to support your opinions with accuracy of facts and life experience not just based on feelings and hearsay . Many times what it boils down to is that some people lack the intelligence to dialogue and debate without resorting to personal attacks.

Predictably sad that some folks don't want to face the hard statistics. Some folks paint their own profile and refuse to acknowledge actual root causes. President Obamuppet had no business jumping in on this one.

The good "Reverend" Sharpton says it was either racial profiling or abuse of power, standard operating procedure. Gates wants to have the beer to help end racial profiling. This will be an opportunity to grandstand for all but the police officer.

Actions speak louder than words. When I was a kid, our family of 9 came home from church to find a black man in our kitchen. Dad ran him out the back door and gave chase. A while later, he came back with the man and asked mother to fix him dinner. He was hungry. He was in the kitchen looking for food. His punishment that day was having 7 little kids crawling all over him wanting to play! My lesson that day was to have a dialogue. However, the dialogues need to arise per situation between those involved. No pie in the sky, generalizations, stereotyping... as no two people are alike. That's why we can't get beyond race... or gender... or life style... or religion... There are simply too many factors that make us what we are and make us think and feel the way we do. We can't apply it across the board. That's also why I don't want social issues to be legislated. No one knows what is BEST for me except me... and I can work for what I want and need.

Actually, the having a beer part was Sgt. Crowley's suggestion to Obama.

Stacey Burnside, Love it and Amen!

this is from Walter E. Williams.

Vicious Academic Liberals

http://www.blog2.tshirt-doctor.com/?p=914

It's kind of like the Muslims. When whitey is gone, then we can have the dialogue.

Every February in Tallahassee we have a week of these so-called dialogs. I gave up attending after a few years because they always inevitably became a "blame whitey" session.

Pieces wrote:

>What troubles me now is if Obama can
>make such simple statements that draw
>such criticism because:
> * He didn't know the facts
> * He spoke without thinking about
> what he was saying
> * He is running high on emotions
> * He has a chip on his shoulder

What do you expect from someone who attended Reverend Wright's church and hung around with domestic terrorists for all those years?

No dialogue
"Don't do it - the only way this ends is by blacks telling whites how much money they owe them." by Rocco

They already have. It's called healthcare.

"I don't believe in reparations because it does not go far enough." Obama

Obama seems to suffer from diarrhea of the mouth when it comes to apologizing to the world about the U.S. but he seems to keep his lips zipped when it comes to apologizing for himself.

Boortz hit all the points well. It's simply amazing how people act as if they want change and yet are too afraid or too sensitive to discuss these issues in an adult manner.

As I've said before, kiddie gloves. Political correctness is among the absolute worst things that have happened to the United States.

Keith is right too, it will be a monologue.

You nailed it this time Neal. Any dialogue will consist of once again blaming whitey for all the problems. I, for one, am sick of it.

Thank you Keith you have summed up any future "conversation" about this issue correctly. I was just too bad the ‘good professor’ went "Cynthia McKinney" on the officer and the officer did not stay professional enough to back down on the confrontation after he accomplished his duties. As for the President, he need to realize that he is no longer a Senator and that what comes out of his mouth will impact a lot of people.

The fact is that there will not be any dialog on this matter. Sgt. James Crowley’s current distinguished career has now come to an end, since he and his department will be hounded until he is gone. As for the ‘good professor’ Gates he is now a “hero victim” among his race baiting peers.

Neal hit the nail on the head with this one and I don't care if it ticks people off. It's the truth. And if you don't want to believe a white guy like Neal, then listen to Bill Cosby and Bill Cosby was vilified for saying what he said when talking about the problems in the black community. The thug culture that is magnified in Hip Hop music is a major problem. Hip Hop and Rap music glorifies gangs as well as disrespect to authority, it glorifies drug use, violence, and it degrades women. All you have to do is look at the prison system. I'm a corrections officer. I have 124 inmates on my housing unit(which is a drug treatment unit). Out of the 124 inmates, currently 95 are black. That's 77%. And that is just 1 housing unit. There are over 3,500 inmates incarcerated at the prison in which I work and the percentage of blacks is somewhere around 60+%. Blacks make up approximately 13% of the population yet based on numbers by the U.S. Justice Department, for every 100,000 black males in this country, approximately 4,700 are incarcerated. They all can't be in jail because whitey didn't have anything better to do. Obama wants to make stupid comments about a disproportional amount of blacks are subject to racial profiling instead of looking at the 800lb. gorilla in the room that is the fact that blacks commit a disproportional amount of the crime. The numbers don't lie people. And it isn't going to change until the black community changes. I feel sorry for the millions of blacks who are trying to make something of themselves but as Neal says, thanks to the thug mentality, any time a black kid tries to do well in school they're mocked by their own. Until the black community recognizes the real problem, blacks are going to continue to be vilified in the community as a whole is going to wear it. And calling Condi Rice and Colin Powell "not real black people" because they dare to be black and Republican doesn't help either. Well, Powell supported Obama so I guess he's black again. But you get my meaning. Again, the facts don't lie.

Don't do it - the only way this ends is by blacks telling whites how much money they owe them.

It's a total waste of time and one that can't be taken seriously. Minority scholarships to technical and state colleges outnumber traditional education grants 2-1. If they want to advance themselves - let them do it on their own merit.

I agree. A dialogue on race wouldn't be bad. It might actually accomplish something useful.

What Obama and the left really want, though, is a monologue. They want to go through their script without any opposing views.