BTW, didn't Chrysler and GM used to be on the index? They were replaced right? So where would the index be right now unadjusted?

Yeah, I would have to agree on that score.

People have to be real careful about giving up their rights – no matter who's in charge.

First off, learn to spell before you write me, libtard. Did you major in ebonics? And BTW those threads had nothing to do with you so stay out of it.

Since you insist on beclowning yourself, let me ask you one simple question :

Which index, specifically, reports higher earnings this quarter than the 4th quarter 2008?

You can't answer that one, can you Mr. retail employee? Next time you spout off, you'd better have the facts to back it up. I'm going to call you out every, single time. You'd better get back to your stockroom, you clerk.

"Need I go on? Face it, Liberals are Anti-Liberty.
They are Statists, all they want is power and control over people."

THEY haven't told their followers this yet, the poor little minions really don't know!

And I didn't care for the Patriot Act so I'll have to give her that one.

It has sucked for a very long time, we are just now realizing that NO ONE in Washington is to be trusted.

Maybe one or two... but I think even they would sacrifice themselves if we could pull off a complete dis-election of any incumbents.

So, two wrongs make a right?

This ain't better. Hasn't been for a lot longer than 12 years too!

sheesh how many more times....

"clearly he's shown that he's against Liberty"

Where do you guys come up with this drivel? How is Obama against liberty? Have you forgotten what we just got away fron? How many civil liberties were trampled during the Cheney/Bush regime? How close to a dictatorship did we come under Cheney?

The so-called "private sector" in healthcare effectively started during WWII with employers using healthcare to attract employees in the face of wage and price controls. The market distortions related to that have only gotten worse over time with “crony capitalist” health industry lobbying that has resulted in state mandates now totaling 1900+ items. We as consumers simply cannot buy a no frills, high deductible catastrophic type policy across state lines. These mandates have served to drive up costs by as much as 50% by some estimates.

Employer provided care has also created a surreal “just fix me, I’m broken” mentality that effectively makes patients (customers really) completely insensitive to cost / benefit "fix" options as they are used to in the real world when negotiating for goods and services. Its reinforced with the use of HMO type policies which are also irrational. We don't have auto insurance policies that cover oil changes, tire rotation, or tune-ups. Why then are we forced to have health insurance policies that cover routine visits?

The great majority of breakthroughs in pharmaceuticals, treatments, surgeries, prosthetics, medical equipment technology, etc., come from the "for profit" US system. All other resources in world combined, are simply no match for the US in any of these arenas. How can a government run 'not for profit' system possibly provide all the incentives necessary to ensure that the US will remain pre-eminent in these areas. Enact this kind of system here and the prospects for future breakthoughs, are going to be very dim. We will be effectively stuck in a state of “2009” based care.

What do you think the Obamacare bureaucrats will do to lower the cost of drugs in this country? “Make” the rest of the world pay more which in fact would be the fair thing to do given we effectively subsidize every other country in the world today? No. They are going to limit payments to the drug companies here, irrespective of the real costs involved, just like they do for existing Medicare related reimbursements. What incentives exist then for drug companies to risk the typical $1B it costs to bring a new drug to market, given the prospect of purely arbitrary imposed prices here?

Unfortunately Liberals "feel" far more than they "think”. That's why they support a "universal system" as it fits within their belief system which values “fairness and equality”. Actually improving the health care system here will require a systems approach to solving the problems of optimizing all the various processes along the way which should include, customer insurance choices, customer sensitivity to treatment cost / benefit options plus all the various health service deliver systems downstream.

Trashing the current system in favour of some undefined utopian system where all the patients, will allegedly be treated "equally and fairly" with no services rationing even though we are adding ~ 47 million people to the rolls, is irrational. The real free market system works, we just need to apply it to healthcare.

H.R.2520
Patients' Choice Act (Introduced in House)
Beginning
May 20, 2009
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.2520:

If you can read - Paul Ryan

Because the market is betting that this healthcare fiasco will fail, that's why. The market actually sees this as GOOD news, you moron.

But since you are a retail employee, I doubt you'd understand such things. Oh and BTW, lose the "neocon" lexicon--it only amplifies the already deafening tone of your stupidity.

I agree with the study since #1 I lost my car keys, #2 I forgot where I parked at the mall, & #3 I forgot why I came to the mall for in the first place. Anyone know where I left my coffee cup?

Why are you so blatantly lying? You know very well there are several proposals put forth by the Republicans?

If ya say it enough times you think people will believe you? And no, I'm not gonna point them out to you because we've had this discussion before.

ya just keep spinning and spinning and spinning...

But yeah, now at least everyone has an opportunity to read the thing and find what is hidden in there that Pelosi/Obama don't want us to see till it's too late.

It's and crape sandwich and we all will have to eat some eveing the very poor I say lets cap and trade all 535 to Cuba for some nice Havanas just a though. TERM LIMITS people this is
not the best we can do. we need to make them understand that they work for us get it.

I am pulling for those Dems to get re-elected, I might even vote for John Barrow (might). These guys are doing what is best and what their constituents want which is their job. They are not toeing to the party line. They know they do NOT work for Pelosi or for Obama.

Why should the unions care, Dems are pushing for them to be exempt from the program anyway.

Looks like Obama is letting his narrow views get in the way of the bigger picture here.

If you have read or heard the police report (something I suggest the president do next time before he shoots his mouth off) you will see that the officer involved went out of his way to be overly courteous.
The tired, overused, and sickening argument Gates used (BECAUSE I'M A BLACK MAN) was nonsense. The officer was responding to a call and from his report; there is no sign of discrimination.

If some white perp had mouthed off like that he'd have been thrown against a wall in seconds.

I'm going to say something now that will offend the weak-kneed liberals: Why do we all (ESPECIALLY COPS) have to treat minorities (mainly blacks) with such heavily-padded kiddie gloves?
1)Is it because they are so incredibly sensitive?
2)Or is it because they know they can exploit the white guilt that seems to plague everyone with an Obama sticker or Prius and get all kinds of rewards for their "suffering."

This whole situation was/is appalling. Again, going by the police report, Gates was extremely cooperative once he had the cuffs on and was in the police cruiser's backseat.
If he had been civil with the officer and saved his tirade for someone else, that officer would have left him alone and nothing would have happened.

Sickening the way some people act.

Did you ever think you'd have to read British press to get an honest assessment of what's going on in the capital of the United States Of America?