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TAXING GREED

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Neal Boortz
@ June 26, 2009 8:25 AM
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Oh you're going to love this one. An amazing attack on the American entrepreneurial spirit. There's a repulsive suggestion floating around Washington right now. Louis Gerstner, the former CEO of International Business Machines Corp is pushing the idea that short-term investment gains should be taxed at 80%. Gerstner says that taxing short-term gains would counter the culture of "greed" on Wall Street.

Meanwhile, he believes that selling an investment after five years should carry a zero tax rate in order to re-establish a culture of true investors compared to traders.

Do you realize how many American businesses would not exist today if short term investment gains had been taxed at 80%. If you have an idea, count yourself among the elite. Remember ... government education.



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What others are saying

  • Greed
    The quest for wealth that you do not earn.
  • Greed Definition
    Greed- The restriction of, or desire to restrict, the liberty or opportunity of another person in order to satisfy an aquisitorial instinct.

    This is not about greed, it is about preventing criminal activity. This strategy would not hurt real investors at all, but might be a step toward preventing bank meltdowns and stock fiascos.
  • Like the idea; hate the execution
    My non-public-school degree is in Economics. I've owned stocks since before I could drive. And I have to say that the concept makes sense, although the execution is extreme.

    Short-term speculation feeds bubbles, exacerbates crashes, increases volatility, and discourages long-term planning. Creating incentives to 'buy and hold' would stabilize the market, encourage businesses to look past next quarter, and force investors to actually look at the fundamentals instead of buying and selling based on triggers or computer programs.

    Off the top of my head:

    Own a stock a day or less, 50% tax.
    Own a stock a week or less, 40%.
    Own a stock a month or less, 30%.
    Own a stock six months or less, 20%.
    Own a stock over a year, 0%.
  • Lou
    I agree with Randall that Lou turned around IBM. The stock went from 107 to 46 per share. He came in from Kraft I remember correctly and took his signing bonus and bought IBM stock. He was making an investment into a company that he could directly affect. And he did, in just a short time IBM shares had begun trading (key word trading, not putting in a box) above 100. Most investors (or the greedy) cannot affect the company like he did, so his logic is greatly flawed. With that said, he saved a lot of his employees retirements that had invested heavily ,all be it foolishly, in IBM stock.
  • Seeing what's happening in DC today
    has pretty much made me decide to leave the USA in short order. My money's already offshore, so the only thing holding me here is my business.

    I'm sure many others feel the same. I hope several S. American countries who need our capital and know-how will make it easy for us to immigrate and re-build our businesses. At least we would be appreciated, not punished for being successful.
  • Why?
    Why "fix" something that ain't broke? Just because they can? Capital Gains does not need to be taxed at all or at least not anymore than any other "gain". This feeds our economy much better than any tax that could be collected. Leave it alone.
  • There is an idea in there trying to be born
    Gerstner is on to something. All of the rewards are frontloaded in the current environment. Corporations rarely plan much beyond a year or two because the stockholders and business punditry won't really let them.

    Is an 80% short term capital gains tax the right solution? Gotta admit an immediate revulsion to it but where is the better solution?

    It would solve the problem, but it would also create problems elsewhere. By the time Congress carved out exceptions for areas of the economy that would be harmed the whole thing would collapse into a cluster**** of lobbists.

    Personally I think the true problem is deeper. The public traded corporation itself is the root. Once the CEO isn't the founder with a large stake in the enterprise it goes down hill. Changing the capital gains rules is just a patch, not a fix.
  • Moving somewhere else if this crap continues.
    Are we already a communist country? It is not about gambling, but if you do not take risk, there is no reward. If you do not want to invest, then do not. Just because someone’s definition of investing is greater than a year, that can be their definition. But please do not tell me how to live my life, and how much you want to take out of my pocket to feed and take care of people who are too frigin lazy to get off their ass and do something. If it were not for greed, this country would not be here! How many people wake up in the morning and would go to work for free. Uh, yeah, we ALL want more right. Otherwise we would just all remain on our ass and ask for a handout. Which is one reason we need more tax money.
    “The person who gets the farthest is generally the one who is willing to do and dare. The sure-thing boat never gets far from shore.” –Dale Carnegie
    “High achievement always takes place in a framework of high expectations.” –Jack Kinder
    “We will either find a way, or make one.” Hannibal
  • Being wealthy
    Why is it acceptable to Liberals to have become wealthy in entertainment or sports, but through successful education and investing you are a greedy SOB?
  • You do know that Gerstner is not a product of a public education, don't you? Chaminade High School (a Catholic Prep School), Dartmouth and Harvard Business School.

    I worked for IBM from the mid '80s to the late 90s. Louis Gerstner is a primary reason IBM survived - Big Blue was in trouble until he took over.

    So, what have you done that is comparable?
  • Tea Party
    Tea Parties are coming up, everybody make sure you come out. We need strong numbers so they can't ignore us. this article has a list of tea parties in georgia, and it has a link to the rest of the country:
    http://www.examiner.com/x-6571-Atlanta-Political-Buzz-Examiner~y2009m6d26-Independence-Day-Georgia-Tea-Party-announcements
  • Power?
    What about countering the "Power" in DC. Term limits anyone?
  • It's just wrong!
    Something is fundamentally very, very wrong with the idea that the Federal Government should somehow benefit the majority of positive investment results from people who take chances for a living. Not to mention that the Fed takes no risk under such an idea. Unbelievable!
  • Google would not exist
    Heck the internet would not exist if not for short term investing. Neither would Microsoft, or IBM or so many other companies. It has been the ability of these companies to attract shortterm investors with the possibility of big returns that has given them the capital to start and not take on massive ammounts of debt.
  • LOL!!!
    Funny, Copy calling anyone else a "looter"! Obviously never read Atlas Shrugged!

    Okay, a bad day, thanks for the laugh, needed it.
  • Sometimes you're the bug
    Sometimes you're the windshield. People working in short term investments are high stake gamblers. They often lose their shirts. If short term investment was a reliable means for making money or "looting", as the ignorant or misinformed think, then everybody would be doing it.
    Persons of the left are not risk takers by nature and are deathly intimidated by those that are. Punishing the risk takers by 80% capital gains will further damage the entrepenurial spirit that made America great.
  • Sensible
    "Investors" are those who make long-term plans, whose reliable behavior is rewarded with reliable performance.

    Short-term opportunists aren't investors, or even speculators; they're looters. Tax the h*** out of them!
  • Gerstner is a moron
    Yeah, 80% short term cap gains tax. Perfect. Say goodbye to all liquidity in equity and bond markets. Maybe don't trade stocks or bonds and think this this wouldn't impact you???? Well, guess again. EVERYBODY would be subject to massive redemption fees on financial products like mutual funds and other vehicles in IRAs, 401k's, 403bs, even pension plans. In fact, I would argue this plan BENEFITS a large part of the financial services industry rather than impairing it. It does not however benefit anyone else....except polticians.
  • Tax all capital gains at 80%
    Gerstner can afford to pay it ...

    Set the tax rate to zero on interest and dividends. Dividends are paid from AFTER TAX earnings of corporations. The corporation already paid tax on the money, then sends it to the stockholders who pay tax on it again.

    Capital gains are for "speculators", not investors. "Speculators" are EEEVIL - the grand, almighty, omnipotent, all-knowing Obama has said so.
  • Graduated capital gains taxes
    This isn't the first time that this trial balloon has been floated. Graduated capital gains taxes assume that capital gains taxes are necessary at all. If they are, which I personally do not believe, then the scale should be 25% at less than one year, decreasing by 1/5th per year until it is 0% after 5 years.

    The fair tax addresses this issue fairly.
  • Capital Gains Tax
    I'm sure our socialistic congress can buy into the 80% part. The 0% after five years --- nah.
  • Gerstner is wrong on this one
    If Gerstner were so right on this, then why is the Chinese economy growing as they don't have a capital gains tax at all. (Go research this yourself, please don't take my word for it.)

    Anyway, I hate to poke a hole in everyone's bubble, but in the 21st century China is going to be the economic powerhouse of the world. They are doing what America will not do. (Reduce government regulation and taxation on the economy.)

    Brazil is doing the same thing. They are reducing taxes and regulation. (They even drill for their own oil, which China wants to buy by the way.)
  • Capital Gains tax
    Gertsner has a valid point. The only way to grow a business is through long term investment and planning. His proposal is too radical, but the concept needs to be explored.
  • Here's an idea. Why doesn't congress draft up a bill making it illegal to use tax as a form of punishment? Oh wait, that doesn't expand government's power....
  • shrugging
    Isn't that part of the Equalization of Opportunity Act?
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