Pay attention folks. Joyce is delivering on exactly what I said, here.

To her, there is no difference between the Iranian people and the Iranian regime. In her world, and in the world of similar schools of thought, it doesn't matter that the Iranian regime is a dictatorship, and not a representative government.

To her, the people couldn't possibly be upset about a crooked government thats working in the darkness against their interests. No possible chance of that. Rather, to her the protesters are directly tied only to the other political candidates.

She also delivers on the over-reacting military straw-man response, too. Bravo.

The opposition is trying to make this out to be one fascist dictator vs another, but thats a category error.

Hey Joyce, who did the French support? The American People. Who should we support? The Iranian people.

Do you get it yet???

Patriot til' Death wrote:

>Keep in mind, he is trying to bend-
>over backwards to change our image
>with the world.

Yeah, from supporter of freedom to appeaser of tyranny.

From the NY Times:

"Rodney King, whose videotaped beating led to the riots that left 55 dead and $1 billion in property damage in Los Angeles in 1992, is living at once the American dream and the American nightmare."

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/19/national/19king.html

Just something to think about...

you might do well to think what would have happened if the french had said that in 1776. We would all be speaking english right now instead of spanish. Wait... that didn't come out right.

maybe its time for the great US of A to roll up the sidewalks,draw the curtains,lock the doors and turn out the lights. Put up a "CLOSED" sign in the window.Let the UN do the job it was founded to do but couldn't so the US has been doing it for them.The good jobs,new inovations,great minds,powerful leaders in industry and science have all but left this nation.In fact the only things we seem to lead the world in anymore is Hollywood movie/tv/entertainment industry crap and the latest new abortion techniques. I'm saddened to see my country throw away its power and ideals and fall so far, and I likely won't live to see it hit bottom let alone return to it former glory as "THE" world leader.

I'm worried about them as well. Same with Darfur and Tibet. The painful truth is that you have to work with those who are ready for the help. Right now, that's the Iranians.

Hopefully, he was on the toilet when this movement came about.

they're just teabaggers waving around their little tea bags.

Oh yeah, I would so wanna see that!

Obama had more to say about George Tiller’s murder than Neda Agha Soltan's. Well, he’s gotta have his priorities.

After Tiller, ice cream comes second.

And of course, the invite to the 4th of July celebration is still on:

"The United States said Monday its invitations were still standing for Iranian diplomats to attend July 4 celebrations at US embassies despite the crackdown on opposition supporters.

…Obama’s administration said earlier this month it would invite Iran to US embassy barbecues for the national holiday for the first time since the two nations severed relations following the 1979 Islamic revolution.

“There’s no thought to rescinding the invitations to Iranian diplomats,” State Department spokesman Ian Kelly told reporters."
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hMtZsaQT4cTxcgA51WrpiUS6cWGg

While you’re munching on hot dogs Obama, maybe you can ask yourself if you see any parallel between the fight for our own independence and what’s going on in Iran right now.

Patriot til' death...who's death? Your post name is an oxymoron to the the content of your posts.
"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, to assure the survival and the success of liberty." JFK
"Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan
"Present" Barrack Hussein Obama

What the Iranian people are dealing with is sad, touching, compelling, and hope-inducing. But, this is their problem. In elementary school, teachers often advise students to "worry about themselves."

There are oppressed people all over the world -- what about the sham election in Zimbabwe last year "won" by Robert Mugabe and his thugs who struck terror into the hearts of the opposition and its supporters? Do we intervene everywhere? Why don't we solve our own problems first.

If we want to worry about the citizens of another country, why don't we worry about Mexico. They've got a hopelessly corrupt police system, a lousy economy, and dangerous and violent drug cartels that seem to be in charge . . all of whcih drive illegal immigration to the U.S. Perhaps if we helped Mexico, it would become a better place to live and we could shut ioff the faucet of illegal immigration.

I'm not sure Cowboy, after all Mousavi was the original drafter of their nuclear program.

Both of these "candidates" were chosen by the Supreme Leader (gag) to run for president.

I *am* afraid that the more we say, the more the Guard will do to stop the protesters and even more blood will be spilled. They will then put that blame on us.

It's a hard place to be in for sure. If it gets worse, I may change my mind but until then, I think we should step back publicly. Maybe there are things going on behind the scenes we don't know about. Hopefully!

I recall that the older people in Iran WANTED a theocracy. Yes, I am aware that most of the protesters are younger people who weren't around for the Shah. Still, the majority of the people over 40 wanted to be ruled by religion. Well, they got what they wanted. Deal with it.

I have to agree on Ron Paul with this, and as much as it rankles, that puts me in agreement with Obabalama. He could at least be more vocal about a show of support for the protesters, though. But I don't think that we would be welcomed by them with open arms if we decided to put up a show of force. And, as usual, the US would get blamed for every little thing that went wrong, every casualty, and if what is happening in Iraq is any indication, Iran would still end up with a government of corrupt politicians. The Iranians need to handle this themselves. *shrug* Poland did.

And, who's going to help us overthrow the opressive regime that we have here? OUR freedoms are dribbling slowly away, bit by bit. I don't see anybody running over here to help us...I don't even see any other governments even being "deeply concerned". At the rate things are going here, we will end up with a Soviet type government...don't forget, Obama seems to fancy himself as the next FDR...do you think that, if there is anyway possible, that he's going to try to defy the presidential term limits? You betcha. Do you think anybody is going to come running to help us when we protest about THAT? Nope.

This administration says those protestors are low level terrorists, and should be delt with accordingly.

Let's live by the golden rule. The Iranians have armed crazy people to attack US troops in Iraq. Why not do the same? It would be cheaper than having our own troops get killed.

Even better, give them 24 hours to destroy their nuclear facilities, or we will bomb them, and then drop one bomb per hour until they get it done.

They recognize strength, and they also recognize weakness.

I'm no Oprahabama fan but his stance on Iran should be applauded. This is Iran's fight. If we got involved (like the war-thirsty Neal seems to be)we would pay for it later. In order to survive, a moth needs the struggle emerging from the cocoon, so does freedom.

OK Neal...what would you have him say? Keep in mind, he is trying to bend-over backwards to change our image with the world. At some point we WILL have no choice but to hit Iran and NKorea but we have to make it appear we tried EVERYTHING else first.
We can't be a bully nation and expect the world to be sympathetic and support us when/if we are attacked again.

Talk is cheap, and that's all he is. Our enemies know that and are acting accordingly.

Good observation by Brett, hussein is voting "present."

Hugo, it doesn't get much blacker than the mad mullahs (though Iranian marxists could be).

To me this isn't a choice between puppet 1 and 2(though they aren't any different), but a choice between the mad mullahs and those rejecting them. The Iranians know there's no real difference, but they were cheated from even that much choice.

Just because they are standing and dying for pathetically little freedom, doesn't mean we shouldn't still support them. We'll be blamed either way, so we might as well. Though it's unlikely they will overthrow the mad mullahs on their own, it's possible, and any resources the mad mullahs have to focus internally aren't being used externally against us.

You're right not to expect much to change even if they get another election, Joyce, but it is movement in the right direction.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/08599190620200

In noting the tumultuous history with the Iranian people, it is important to not go hell-bent to rescue them during their own revolution, publicly at least. This is not to say there shouldn't be some helping hands clandestinely. Even though these people want democracy, they are still not 100% allies of the U.S. It takes time for 30+ years of anti-American propaganda to dissipate. Obama is doing the right thing so far...for once.

Kennedy hung the Bay of Pigs people out to dry. In addition his widely acclaimed "standing up to the Russians on missiles in Cuba" was a farce--he secretly agreed to Russian demands that we move our missiles out of Turkey in exchange to the Russians moving their missiles out of Cuba.

See... now's not the time to be weak on this. It's time to make some simple no nonsense type moves.

Step one: Give Israel permission to fly over Iraq to take out those reactors. Now's the time to do it. The government is distracted.

Step two: Send in a small group of special forces to sabotage Iran's only oil refinery under the condition that it would take Iran over a year to repair it, but only a few months for us to do so.

Step three: Treat Iran as they have treated us in Iraq. We start arming the protesters so they have a fair chance.

Step four: Make a national address and speak directly to the Iranians. The main point: "We the people of the United States of Americans offer our hand in friendship to any in Iran who opposes oppression and wants to embrace the freedom that a true republic has to offer. Prior to 1978, we were friend and our relationship benefited both nations. If you are willing, we will gladly restore that friendship. Freedom is the most basic of human rights and we are with you."

If there is a chance for regime change in Iran without us sending large numbers of troops in, now is the time.

PrezBO is wasting his chance at his finest hour.

Moved as in bowels? Saying nothing is more dangerous than saying too much.

Obama needs to say, "Americans are in favor of any Freedom of Speech 'movement' anywhere on earth," if he wants to use the 'move' concept and still give no ammunition to the xenophobes against good Iranians.

You don't want our President to be specific about some course of action now, do you? I mean, I haven't heard him commit to anything in any recent speech on foreign policy. Did I miss something?

we don't need any lessons in how to control the populace. did gore and his followers take to the streets? no. that's not even thinked about nowadays. that's control for you.

civil disobedience is terrorism

I wish President God would be "moved" back to Indonesia.

Sigh, still wondering where all the really good DNC trolls hang out, I would feel better if the Statists considered these comments to be important to send their very best...

Of course, given that the DNC agenda is all but a pack of Lies and double standards, maybe cobyleft and Yugo's host are the best they have to offer.

One could hope that Yugo's host would at least condense the DNC talking points down to a manageable level and use paragraphs for once.

"To those peoples in the huts and villages across the globe struggling to break the bonds of mass misery, we pledge our best efforts to help them help themselves, for whatever period is required....because it is right."

Obama is certainly no Kennedy. (And I didn't even like Kennedy.)

Perhaps he is taking notes from the fine and upstanding world leader, Ahmadinejad, for ideas on how to control the unruly citizens of the US.

With his softball tactics with our enemies, emphasis on environmental issues, and general ineptitude, Obama has frequently been compared to Jimmy Carter. The one issue (aside from being attacked by giant rabbits) that has become synonymous with Jimmy was the Iran revolution and the 444 days that our citizens were held hostage there.

Obama is currently facing a situation with the same country, and possibly the same individuals involved, and meeting it head-on with the same blank stare of Jimmy Carter.

Mr. Obama, the time to vote "present" is past. The time to take a stance is now.

Of course Obama is only "moved" by the Iranian farcical elections. After all, Obama is a fascist, and as a fascist, he could care less about true freedom - in Iran or anywhere else. Heck, he probably secretly admires Ackmabeenapoo for the way he is keeping himself in power.

Viva la revolution!

I had my daily "movement" this morning after a cup of coffee...