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MANDATING HEALTHCARE

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Neal Boortz
@ June 25, 2009 8:12 AM
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Barack Obama says that his thoughts on healthcare are "evolving." Oh really? Well what are they "evolving" toward? It seems as though Obama is okay with the idea of mandating that individuals purchase health insurance. Of course, there would be a waiver for the poor, poor, pitiful poor. Where in our Constitution does it give the federal government the authority that private citizens buy anything, let alone health insurance? I've tried, but I just can't find it there. Then I suddenly realized what an idiot I was for trying to find a Constitutional justification for an Obama plan.

Now get this ... this is his explanation as to why he thinks that mandates for all people are a good thing: "People have made some pretty compelling arguments to me that if we want to have a system that drives down costs for everybody, then we've got to have healthier people not opt out of the system." Ohhhhh ... that's ObamaLogic for you.

So, in the World According to Obama, even if you are healthy and/or could afford to pay for your own healthcare costs as they arise, the government still wants to force you into its system. Why is that? Not because you need their health insurance, but because they need your money. Duh. If you are a healthier person that is forced into paying for health insurance, naturally you are going to choose the least expensive option, which in this case may be the government option. Now you know you aren't really going to use the services, but hey .. at least you are avoiding that pesky government fine. So now, your payments can be used to subsidize the healthcare of some government leach.

Also, here's the latest line from the Obama administration. Listen to the difference this makes. Obama was preaching the fact that people who liked their healthcare plans and their doctors would be able to keep them under his healthcare reforms. Well, he knows that this isn't true. So he has developed a new line. He says that "the government" will not take away your current healthcare plan. What changed? Well, Obama recognizes what will happen once his reforms go into place ... private employers would probably change their healthcare benefits on their own. They'll simply announce that the employee health plan is going to be terminated, and that all employees should take steps to apply for alternate insurance or move over to the government plan. The employer will probably placate the workers by saying that their paychecks are going to be increased by some fraction of the amount the company was paying for health care. So ... off you go to the government health plan, but the government didn't make you do it. Your employer did. So Obama's "the government won't take away your current healthcare plan" holds true. Obama says "I can guarantee you that there's the possibility for a whole lot of Americans out there that they're not going to end up having the same health care they have ... Because what's going to happen is, as costs keep on going up, employers are going to start making decisions: 'We've got to raise premiums on our employees. In some cases, we can't provide health insurance at all.'" See? He knows the game he's playing here.



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What others are saying

  • Well, Well
    Well, Well. The Kennedy version of the bill EXCLUDES members of Congress from having to be in this new medical plan. They can keep the same fat perks they have been getting all along. That sure shows alot of confidence.
  • "Evolving"????
    Which if you translate this it would say, "have not a clue, but I'll figure it out later after I get the money, maybe".
  • when we're forced...................................
    when our choices have all disapeared will the doctors and nurses start to go to galts gulch?

    I volunteered to serve my country and did for 20 years. now I have choices and I choose to resist any gubmint action that I don't like/agree with.

    is there a revolution coming? need some help? sign me up....

    DRIP don't return incumbent politicians
    ARM YOURSELF
    PROTECT YOU AND YOURS
  • Personal Healthcare
    Health Insurance should not provided through your employer anyway. Health Insurance is and should be offered by medical insurance companies to individuals and families (like life,auto,home etc).
  • Apples and oranges!
    Health care is the maintenance of the body, insurance is for emergency or unexpected issues with the body, but the dumb masses think they are one in the same! Does your car insurance pay for oil changes, new tires, etc…? No, because insurance is for mishaps, not maintenance.
    I keep wondering why PBO keeps putting the statement “health care” and “uninsured” in the same sentence when they are not the same thing. I guess if you twist the truth or tell a lie long enough, the dumb masses will believe it… (Hmmm, where did that type of thinking come from?)

    Inch by inch you will be controlled.

    After “health care” the dumb masses will cry for another “right” that requires property and time from someone else.
  • Ironic
    MANDATING healthcare. Right before July 4th which was about freedom. How ironic is that?
  • What good is it anyway?
    I don't understand what the point is to this plan...given the numbers, it's my understanding (correct me if I'm wrong) that this monstrosity is only going to cover about a third of the currently uninsured. What about the rest of them?

    I don't see how they can possibly justify the expense when it isn't going to cover the other 2/3. I guess they don't have to, do they?

    And please don't read this wrong...I am totally against Nationalized health care. I am currently uninsured, and have plans next month to get my own.

    And costs wouldn't be so bloody high if Americans would get off the sue-happy train. Doctors are not infallible...although it's their own fault that people think they are...over a hundred years of "I am the doctor, I am god...you are the patient and are therefore clueless. I am the only one who knows what's good for you."
  • mandating healthcare
    It seems to me that we already mandate Auto insurance (or personal liability requirements in lieu of insurance in your state). But at the same time my state also requires me to carry Uninsured & Underinsured coverage. If we are all required to have coverage why must I buy U&U coverage? What causes one to think that mandated coverage for health is going to be any different? You can bet that those who do not wish to purchase mandated (or current) insurance will be any different? They will still use the Emergency Room as their doc as they do now. They need the money for lotto tickets or beer & cigs (insert your own pet peve here). It's a joke to think we can continue shred the constitution in this way, but a bigger flight of fancy to think that it folloed!
  • Translating "evolving."
    He's saying don't hold him tomorrow, to what he says today.

    You know they're trying to hand you a sh*t sandwich when they won't eat it themselves.

    How much you want to bet once they run the private insurers out of business almost all that mandated coverage disappears?
  • Government
    >>>He says that "the government" will not take away your current healthcare plan. What changed? ... private employers would probably change their healthcare benefits on their own." <<<<

    Exactly, and that move satisfies 2 other goals the Statists have: (1) once the employers push the people off to the gov't option, OBozo will then be able to demonize the those "evil private sector businesses." (2) Gov't will come in on its white horse and "save" all these people. Gov't will look like the hero. The average braindead voter will once again be fed the nonsense that the govt is the solution for their problem.

    Point #2. I don't agree with many that "Obama is a genius" with this move. Yes, this type of strategic manuevering is very clever and will fool the typical uninformed mouthbreathers. I seriously doubt that Obozo came up with it though. It's the Axelrods, the other propagandists, on his staff that came up with it. He is just the salesman delivering the message ala the Shamwow guy.
  • Mandating Healthcare
    What's to keep a 'well healed' individual or anyone for that matter from suing the Federal Government if they don't want to purchase healthcare? Unless someone knows something different, I don't see how the government would win those cases. Maybe it would be advantageous to sue, in that the 'remedy' would be a total dissassociation of the individual from the government as it pertains to healthcare and perhaps even Social Security. Maybe an equitable solution is you don't take my money for medicare and it's my responsiblity to take care of myself. I mean you could easily have a list (hell they do it for terrorist) that a hospital can check to see if you are on the 'do not serve' list which can also include your private insurance info and if you chose not to even do that then the hospital can chose on its own whether or not to treat you and that if they chose not too then you have no right to seek legal claim against them. I know this involves way too much individual responsiblity, but I would go for it. And while we are at it Judge, tell the Feds to give me all my SS money plus interest and I don't owe them anymore and they won't owe me anything in the future. Oh well, it was a nice dream anyway.
  • ObamaCare
    Everyone, individuals and Business need to vow to jump on any government sponsored healthcare plan the moment it is implemented. The sooner we break that camel's back, the better.
  • Obama's a genius!!
    It's really funny actually. He found a way to socialize health!!!
  • Subjugation
    The more I read about the American Revolution, the more I realize that the founders would be appalled by the audacity of this government and "the people". The Whig supporters of the Revolution wanted one thing- to stop the intrusion of government on the everyday life of the people. They wanted it so badly that they gave their lives for it.

    Is it not bad enough that I pay 10% of my income to the Federal government for Medicare that I don't need. Social Security that I don't want and will never see, and income taxes (i.e. My "fair-share"). Now, I will likely be forced to double or triple the amount of taxes I pay because of "Medical Coverage" for those who can't pay for it.

    This July 4th, there better not be one idiot out there celebrating their "freedom". We are enslaved subjects of an oppressive imperialistic federal government under King Obama and his Oligarchy. They want nothing more than to know and control every detail and waking hour of our lives. Wake up now America!!!!

    PS. Sorry Neal, I'm getting ahead of your usual 4th of July tiraid.
  • constitutional mandate
    There is no constitutional mandate for 98% of what the Imperial Federal Government has done in the last 40 years or so. Why would they start looking for one now?
  • stephanie
    Yep, wouldn't lie to ya :)

    "The president is barnstorming the nation, urging swift approval of legislation that is taking shape in Congress. This legislation -- the Affordable Health Choices Act that's being drafted by Sen. Edward Kennedy's staff and the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee -- will push Americans into stingy insurance plans with tight, HMO-style controls. It specifically exempts members of Congress (along with federal employees; the exemptions are in section 3116)."

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124536864955329439.html
  • What about Medicaid- the poor people's insurance? Taxpayers pay for that. And Social Security? We already have a form of nationalized healthcare so that "everyone is entitled to care" scam. There are people who have never worked an honest day in their life (my uncle for one) who now collect SS because he hurt his knee and is an alcoholic. Seriously. I'm in my 30's and have been told since high school that I won't see my SS. This is why?
    And now they want to force this on us? Does it really say in Kennedy's bill (which, why am I doubting this?) that politicians are exempt from this BS healthcare plan?
    People are talking of "we're retiring and thinking of moving out of this country." Chuh. We aren't retired but we're still thinking of moving!
  • Only one way to stop it
    The achievers and producers of this world need to stop feeding the leeches. Let the mother leech (government as we know it atm) try to feed all its dependants on its own.

    We all know what will happen with that scenario.
  • Ive worked too hard for too long. I'm going to give it up, find me a nice juicy government tit to hang onto and ride out the rest of my life on easy street. I already paid for it, right?
  • Guarantee
    You can bet employers will drop their programs, if the premiums become taxable, then they lose the benefit gained from having a lower taxable wage base for FUTA, SUTA, Employer portion of Medicare & SS. Employers aren't subsidizing premiums without a benefit to them. That subsidy comes out of the monies saved with the pre-tax option. Take that away, and they will drop the subsidy all together.
  • Health Insurance Mandates
    Existing government mandates are part of the reason health insurance costs have been driven up in the first place. I wish I could select a health insurance plan much like I can life insurance or car insurance policies. I'm a female over 35 who's finished having children and my kids are teens now, but because of government mandates, my insurance ~must~ contain riders that include maternity benefits as well as well-child and childhood immunization. I no longer need this kind of coverage, but I am forced to have it. Not to mention I am mentally sound and healthy, but again, government requires that I have mental health benefits. If I could pick and choose and customize the benefits as I needed, then my premiums would be much less for my family.
  • Make it apply to Congress as well!
    My biggest complaint, other than complete disagreement with the whole "nationalized healthcare" is that the Kennedy bill exempts politicians from the program. If it ain't good enough for them, it shouldn't be FORCED on us.
  • Yep
    Obama is truly the supersalesman of the century. All he wants is to make that next 'sale', take your money and leave town while you're stranded beside the road looking into the smoking engine compartment of the clunker he 'sold' you with his fancy double talk over at GM/GHC/GBO.
  • my hope
    My hope is should Obama-care pass, that there is political will by "someone" to fight it on constitutional grounds. No where in the constitution does it say the fed government can force anyone or any business purchase anything anywhere anytime. This is the only hope I have of saving this country right now.
  • We all already pay for those who don't.
    Currently, hospitals are forced by law to provide lifesaving emergency room treatment to everyone, regardless of whether they can pay. So what happens when they can't? The costs are borne by you and I. And so we're stuck paying for extremely expensive emergency room care. In many cases it would be cheaper for everyone involved to just pay for their checkups and preventative care far earlier on.

    So, the only practical way to allow people to go without health insurance is to make it legal for hospitals to deny treatment to dying people who don't have money. Do you think that's ever going to happen? Do you think that should happen, Neal?
  • My current healthcare is perfect
    Is that an admission that there are uninsured people who are uninsured by CHOICE, not because they're too poor to afford healthcare? How many of those are there? I live with one. I carry private health insurance that isn't dependent on my job. I paid one $350 payment to COBRA after I was laid off and decided I never wanted to experience that again. I have a pre-existing condition. My nation-wide coverage (I travel) costs me $135/month, which is less than the insurance my current employer offers. Health insurance to me is a way to negotiate down bills and help with the huge stuff- like trips to the ER. Otherwise, I pay for the minor services I need like check ups and blood tests. If you have an issue with healthcare, you're philosophy is flawed or you're not looking hard enough for a solution.
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