what comes to mind is an age old expression" it takes one to know one" traitor that is. There is no classiness in this "class-warfare" our country is struggling with...so much finger pointing to blame the other fella[party] doesn't accomplish a thing. America needs solutions not satire.

I think CopyLeft is Neal's alter ego. Nobody is really as hardheadedly ignorant as that.

Paul Krugman is a traitor! He is trying to hype this like everyone els. Recently scientists have come out on the subject and said it is not as bad as stated. Other countries that voted this in earlier are backtracking and trying to back out of similar laws. Then, here comes the United States, a decade late and trillions of dollars short, under the urging of a post turtle, claiming we need to jump on the band wagon and do our part. I've been doing my part for years. I think it is aabout time for the dried up politicians to do their part and step down gracefully before the next election. As for the media, one of our local first grade classes have better writing skills than most of you and also are more responsible to investigate instead of just regurgitataing what they hear and think is right.

Let's say Global warming is real. How does this bill stop global warming? I don't know, you don't know and congress sure doesn't know because not a single person has read the entire thing.

I'm all for cleaner fuel but how does taxing companies out of business help global warming?

This bill is all about controlling the American people not controlling global warming

You can (snicker) all you want, it might be cute but sure ain't funny.

is that the EPA claims to be able to enforce this crap even without Senate approval!

Oh BN, that addy bounced back, I'll try again, maybe a typo....

I ain't posting my blog on here again!

I figured you were lurking...

These people revel in absurdity. Aren’t these the same yo-yos that peddled the $800 billion emergency stimulus that didn’t? We were traitors wanting the economy to fail then.

I can empathize with comrade Krugman. I’ve watched him and his rag, the nyt, along with comrade Waxman, give actual aid and comfort to enemies of the USA, even in the midst of active hostilities, for decades. Barney frank is another who loves to squeal “treason,” every chance he gets. They get some perverse kick out of calling people who aren’t, “traitors (or unpatriotic),” because they themselves are, they know it, and they like to flaunt it. It’s not like the GOP is going to call them out on it, much less the msm.



I’m all for global warming, but I doubt we could pull it off if we tried. It’s global cooling I’m against. Who wants advancing glaciers running all those Yankees down here? Even that idea doesn’t scare me enough to commit economic suicide. The rest of the world has been wrong before, and will be wrong again.

cause you might be lumped in with me as being a conspiracy theorist...think about that for a second before you take cheap shots at me.

Joyce M/B

you can reach me at my new email adress.

osamabamadumbassstinkingmuslimmarxist@dawhitehows/changewhatchange/bowyoubastard.com

howz dat fo ya???

I'm going to be snickering when your pathetic Cap & Trade bill loses out in the Senate. Moron.

"Very convincing. Especially given that his income depends on ignoring climate change and convincing people to burn more oil."

No. Convincing people to burn more natural gas. Its cleaner, cheaper, and 98% Made in the U.S.A. RTFA Copyleft!

So his arguments about economics and 150 years of energy infrastructure vs. 40 years of politicians doesn't mean squat? Yeah, right. Don't forget the most important thing to study: history! Europe has been trying cap-and-trade for years, and how is it working? Terribly! What do they call it where you try the same thing again and again, expecting a different result? Oh yeah...insanity!

Joyce M/B.....iz youz smokin' dat weeeeed agin????

if I gave out my email address then the wingnuts and osamabama voters wood find me in my secret bunker just down the road from IVAN......oooops sorry IVAN now we's in big truble.......

http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/news/archive/pr0310.html

All sane people know that Global Warming is a hoax. The reason for the urgency is because they know that soon it will be blindingly obvious that no action was needed in the first place. They want us to go ahead and put all these new policies in place for 2 reasons. 1st so they can expand their powerbase and 2nd because when there are more obvious trends showing a decrease in temps that are observable by the common average Joe they can claim that we have conquered Global Warming further solidifying their powerbase. The truth is that man made Global Warming is a complete scam and a horribly implemented one. This scam is so easy to see through it ain't even funny. It doesn't surprise me though that the Democrats would try to push this stupid crap through during the Summer when it is SUPPOSED to be hot. Pfft. The best part of this whole thing is that the people that promote the Global Warming crap think they are the smartest people on the planet. They don't even realize that the people that refuse to believe the Global Warming hoax are some of the sharpest people around. We will ALWAYS be able to shoot down your BS. Cause it IS infact BS.

you give me an email, I'll send you a link, can't have trolls tromping on it

All those sciences you make fun of are connected. Climatologists by themselves don't know squat, they concentrate on recent trends, don't get into the long term stuff. Go ahead, laugh. Someday Alice, to the moooooonnnn!!

LOL! Great link, Joyce; a speech by a gas-company exec. And he's an engineer, to boot--with ZERO knowledge of climatology!

Very convincing. Especially given that his income depends on ignoring climate change and convincing people to burn more oil. Yep, that's really powerful evidence to stack up against climatologists.

And Kansas woman: What climatologists? I read through your WSJ Opinion article (always a reliable source of corporate-friendly cheerleading) and saw no mention of climatologists.

I saw individuals with degrees, yes--a geochemist, a physical chemist, a meteorologist--but no climatologists. Why is that, do you suppose?

And even the WSJ had to acknowledge that both "Nature" and "Science," the leading journals of the general-science field, have rejected the denialist's claims that there's "doubt and controversy" where none exists.

Does this remind anybody of the creationists, by the way? "Science said it, but I don't choose to accept reality! I can change it by WISHING hard enough!"

Sorry, folks; the evidence is in, and it's clear. Anthropogenic global warming = true. Evolution = true. And the earth is not flat, no matter how hard you stamp your little feet.

Under this wonderful bill of Copy's and Commoner, you will not be able to sell your house until it has been inspected. If it does not meet their energy standards then you will have to pay someone (I'm sure they will regulate the licenses for this work) and then have it reinspected. Or you can not sell it.

Please everyone, go to the pdf version and read it, post here any really outrageous points you find. We need to all understand this crap.

We’re being fooled, the democrats know that the sun is the primary contributor to “climate change”, they also know that the sun spots have decreased, and they also know that the earth’s average temperature is going to decrease slightly, with that in mind, they know that this climate change bill must pass now because when the average global temperature drops, they’ll say “LOOK WHAT WE DONE!!, our climate bill worked”. And when the temperatures start to rise because the sun spots start to return, the democrats will cry for tougher climate laws and the sheeple will believe and follow.
Thank you government: for educating the vast majority of the dumb masses, you done exactly what you planned. I was government educated, but I broke out and educated myself in things they didn’t teach in the government thought camps.

I’m sure happy the constitution has the 10th amendment and the federal government doesn’t have the power to do this, whew… that was a close one. Oh… sorry, I forget, “it’s a living document”, or in other terms, it’s now just a piece of paper with meaningless words.

Don’t worry; the country will fail in grand style and in denial

Don’t forget, man-made carbon is a massive 0.4% of all carbon released, and the US is what… 0.1%? if that. So let’s waste billions and lose a possible million plus jobs all in the name of 0.1% of carbon.

We need to stop this Cap & Trade stuff but I read something that made me wonder if this 1200+ page bill is a diversion. Obama has supposedly told his minions in Congress to pass the health care legislation first. Maybe he figures he can continue the global warming scam by other means via the EPA. Right now he has a whole bunch of people expending a lot of energy trying to stop this bill. He and his staff of socialists dedicated to completely undermining the Constitution may think they can slip through a massive health bill while everyone is worrying about cap & trade. As you say Neal if you control health care you control the individual.

It’s going to be a long 3+ years. Let’s hope it isn’t 7+ ! It will be hard enough to survive the next 3+ years.

According to Waxman, if it "may be beneficial to Democrats", then it benefits both the country and the world. Who said Democrats weren't narcissists?

Here's some more info from the "denial industry," including climatologists and physicists.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124597505076157449.html

Its global cooling that we should be concerned about. We're all gonna freeze.

Considering the collective lunacy displayed by Al Gore and Paul Krugman, perhaps the United States should outlaw the Nobel Prize, and confiscate the monies to cover mental illness in the national health care plan.

"If you oppose any policy or agenda coming out of this administration, you're simply anti-American and a traitor."-Copyleft

Yep, I guess that makes at least 159 million Americans traitors according to the latest Rasmussen poll, Copy. So when do you people plan to open your re-education camps? Have they passed out your brown shirts and armbands yet?

A report by the EPA that question Gorebal Warming regulation.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/29/gop-senator-calls-inquiry-supressed-climate-change-report/

Here are some ways how your children will pay for my stupidity.

Products will be manufactured with less pollution and environmental impact.
The air and water will be cleaner.
More renewable energy resources will be used to produce the energy for our country.
Companies that pollute instead of innovate will fail.

Or we could do it your way and just sit around waiting for all the oil to be drilled or the air to become unbreathable. I expect better for my children.

link on Reading Assignments posted by Striker:

http://www.questar.com/1OurCompany/newsreleases/2009_news/UVUSpeech.pdf

All over the internet if you look for it. And even a few (cough) books in the library!

did not get answered. That's all I need to know.

Oh, and BTW, plastics were just one example. A great deal of the things you take for granted come from petroleum. But, as always, you libs know better!

As for the "Grownups" being in charge? You wouldn't know a grownup if one took you over its knees and spanked you. In fact, my guess is that none ever has.

My wish for you is that your beloved nanny government selects you as one of the earliest "necessary casualties".

We can find just as many links to reports and studies that say the exact opposite. And hey, even one from the EPA!!!

They DO NOT agree, some even think we are cooling. When it gets 120 below, you'll be looking for some CO2 emissions....

And just so you know, since you lack that ability, that was a facetious remark.

"So how does the shoe feel on that other foot?"

You know, I don't care what party it is. When the government goes against the grain of what our founding fathers established, they are anti-America. Giving illegal aliens every benefit in the book like sosh security, driver's licenses, free rein to come across the border is wrong and dilutes our own society. Republics lost big time over this back in 2006, and I would accuse any Repub that supported this bill as being anti-American in their support. Just tally up their overall voting record, and you can make your own conclusion about someone. Charlie Crist is another example: governor of Florida hiding as a Repub, but really just another Arlen Specter I fear will make it into the senate.

As in, "utterly lacking in credibility."

Sorry, folks; you can't turn legitimate science into a "liberal scam" just by wishing.

And the scientists who actually know what they're talking about--i.e., the climatologists--are still in solid agreement. Anthropogenic global warming is real.

http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar4/syr/ar4_syr_spm.pdf

Keep pretending, and keep hunting down some shills with irrelevant PhDs (in civil engineering, say, or biochemistry) and keep screaming how it's all a hoax...

But the grownups are in charge now. And we're going to respond seriously to a legitimate problem. Don't worry, you'll get used to it eventually. (snicker)

See Tom Clancy, _Rainbow 6_. He captured the environmental zealots in that bit of work.

If we are going to battle greenhouse gases why don't we just get rid of all the greenhouses?

Don't think that option hasn't crossed the minds of ALOT of the people behind this legislation. Alot of scientists agree that the ideal population for this planet should be about 500,000,000. Most agree that at over 6 billion we have grossly over populated this planet. I guarantee you there are plans drawn up somewhere to massively reduce the size of population if the need ever presented itself. I mean we know for sure that Rex 84 exists and that is just purely for the continuity of government in a crisis.

This is going to devastate the ordinary citizen. We will be lucky if we can afford fuel to cook our beans with. But Waxman, and Krugman, and the rest of the elite will not suffer at all. In all socialist society there are two levels, the elite who govern, then everyone else who serve "the one". If we thought the average russian was bad off, you haven't seen anything yet.

Or is it heating up? I have no idea. If we want to reduce man's impact on the planet we need to reduce the number of people living on it...cut the number from 8 billion to 1 billion...lets start with Copy Left.

This likely to be the only piece of good legislation coming our way this year.

It well past time for America to lead the world in clean energy, clean technology and clean industry.

I for one will be calling both of my Senators demanding that they vote YES for this legislation.

Actual threats? The Dems are desperate to convince people of man made Global Warming. It is now PROVEN that we have been in a cooling cycle for nearly a decade. There are so many holes in Global Warming theory you'd have to be pretty nuts to stand behind that crap these days. Global Warming is just a pure scare tactic that the left created to help push their agendas. With as little as the Democrats actually know about weather and climate I am very surprized that this scam has taken this long to expose. The same went with Republicans and Islamic terrorism. Sure there is a terrorist problem, but the honest truth is that our foreign policy created many of the terrorists. Further than that many Republicans don't even understand the root of terrorism nor do they even understand the different players involved with terrorism in the Middle East. So Copyleft you must now agree that both parties are corrupt and each has its own scare tactics. You must also see why many like me believe that there is a much larger agenda as well. The American public is constantly being fed propaganda and it is becoming more and more obvious that our government is tightening its grip on the freedoms of the American people. I would like you Copyleft to name one single thing Obama or the Democrat led Congress has done to restore the rule of law and fight for American freedoms. As far as I can tell they have broadened their power base and thus taken additional sovereignty from the American people. Obama is enjoying the expanded powers given to him by George W Bush. He has made no mention of giving up those new powers. If you throw into the mix the fact that Obama has created all these new Czar positions one could make the arguement that Obama is trying to shut out Congress from the decision making process. What do you have to say about these issues?

but you will suffer along with the rest of us. (Is this where I snicker?)

I have two questions for you:

1. How much has the earth's temperature risen over the past 8 years?

2. What is the earth's ideal temperature?

You also probably don't realize it, but without petroleum, you wouldn't be able to post your ill-informed diatribes here. Your wind turbines and solar panels won't be able to produce the plastics and other products that you use every day. But that's OK... 'cause you're SMART.

Paul Krugman wouldn't know research even if he went and looked it up himself.

...on global warming, which is why to this day he refuses to debate anyone. He says the debate is over. How? If a debate never began or existed with him, then how can it end?

Yep, if you oppose any policy or agenda coming out of this administration, you're simply anti-American. And a traitor. And you want greenhouse gases to KILL US ALL.

So how does the shoe feel on that other foot? And best of all, this one's based on ACTUAL threats, rather than Bush's imaginary ones.

It's called "payback," suckers. Get used to it! (snicker)