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GARGOYLE GONE BERSERK PART II

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@ June 19, 2009 9:14 AM Permalink | Comments (66) | TrackBacks (0)

The Gargoyle has truly lost it, folks. Are you paying attention to all of this? According to Japanese intelligence officers, North Korea may launch a long-range ballistic missile towards Hawaii. Not only that ... but this crazy bastard says he's going to launch that missile on July 4th, our Independence Day. Nice touch, don't you think?

Can the Gargoyle's missile reach Hawaii? Prolly not. The main Hawaiian islands are 4,500 miles from North Korea. These Taepoodung-2 missiles are capable of traveling up to 4,000. But that's not really the point, is it? If they're intentionally aimed at Hawaii that pretty much puts the foam on the latte for me.

What are going to do? Defense Secretary Robert Gates has ordered the military to take defensive measures if North Korea launches that missile toward Hawaii. Gates says, "I think we are in a good position, should it become necessary, to protect American territory."

OK .. hold on just a goll-durned minute here. "Good position?" You know, somehow I was looking for a bit more than that. How about "can?" I want to hear that we CAN protect American territory. Last time I looked we had the greatest, most powerful military in the world. I know we elected Obama for change .. but I didn't want to see us change from a position where we "can" protect our interests (like our 50th state) to where we're in a "good position" to do so

Meanwhile, in the middle of this provocation the North Korean menace has warned of a "thousand-fold" military retaliation again the US and our allies if provoked. So here's your Playbill. This twerp says he's going to fire off a missile towards Hawaii, and he then warns us of the dangers that wait if we dare to provoke him.

You need to remember something here folks. The last time Li'l Satan fired off a missile the very next day ... and I'm talking with 24 hours my friends ... Mr. Change You Can Believe in announced a reduction in funding for our missile defense system. Even if you're government educated you can figure out just what sort of message that sent to this North Korean prepuce.

Let's talk about this 4th of July thing a bit more. I'll bet you that more Americans have their panties in a wad about their local government canceling their fireworks show than they do about this situation with North Korea; or, for that matter, with the level of government spending in Washington. Then there's Obama's newfound power to nationalize private companies. To most Americans, freedom means the ability to choose which movie to watch on a Friday night and which magazine they should buy at the grocery store - US Weekly or People. That is the pathetic excuse for the type of freedom these people now claim to celebrate once a year. Yeah, I know I'm a bit early for the Fourth of July rant .......... Stay tuned.

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  • Things we're ignoring
    NK does have submarines with missiles capable of 2500 miles, wouldn't take much to make those missiles nuclear, sneak about halfway to us...

    http://www.dailynk.com/english/read.php?cataId=nk00100&num=1644

    They are also selling minisubs and other weapons to Iran: http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_Category=16
    By Joyce M/Blythe, GA @ 06/22/09 11:35:40 PMreport abuse
  • Let's Help his Missile Program
    Rather than prolong this drama, we should supply KJI with one missile that can barely reach California so that he can be at ease from the threat from the west. Of course if he uses it, we can respond by reopening Army Reserve offices in what remains of the state. It is the progressive thing to do.
    By Scooter @ 06/22/09 08:31:13 AMreport abuse
  • Gonzalez
    I can't believe this is real. It sounds like someone trying to learn to write english.
    By Doobie Dolittle @ 06/21/09 11:04:58 PMreport abuse
  • Some thoughts regarding NK
    our troops are on the border b/c NK ATTACKED SK 59 years ago. Our troops are a deterent to a future invasion attampt by NK. So your analogy of Iranian troops on the Texas/Mexico do not apply. We should handle NK like we did the Soviet Empire during the Cold War. Point some Nuke missles at NK & tell them if we get it YOU get hit back. But do nothing else except defensive measures. Of course if they go ahead and launch the missle in the direction of Hawaii, we shoot the missle down.
    As for Japan, they had decided to go to war for Duch East Indies oil & rubber supplies rather then lose face over pulling out of China. They thought the US did not have the spine for a long fight. their war plan was to get a large terretory of islands for a defense chain early in the war and then bleed the US forces by attrician, beliving the US citizens would not tolerate years of heavy losses and settle for peace treaty under their terms. They made a crucial tactical error in that the first bombs fell on Pearl harbor before the declaration was war was deliverd to the White House b/c of bad typing and decoding by their embassy staff. Thus infuriated the American Public enough to just tolerate the heavy losse in winning the war. (Admiral Nimits recieved tons of mail from grieving families wondering why their loved one had to die on some God forsaken island no one had heard of before the war.) Thank god we had the A-bombs when the time came.
    By Brian @ 06/19/09 08:08:17 PMreport abuse
  • damn! I think your on to something copyleft
    Their all Hitlers?! Damn,I never thought of it that way but lets just look...HMMMM...sadam?=hitler,kimjong ill?=hitler,poe pot?=hitler,fidel?Chavez?Id Amin? arafat?=hitler,hitler,hitler,hitler and hitler.How bout pope john paul?=hitler,Barbra Strisand?= definitly hitler,Walter Cronkite?=hitler,Micheal Moore?=(stupid,fat)hitler,OMG!!!COPY YOUR RIGHT!!!THEIR ALL HITLERS!!!TELL ME WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO???WAIT,I KNOW LETS BOMB THEM,YEAH THATS IT WE BOMB THEM ALL!!!(insert maniacal laugh here)wait that won't work,we need to be sure we get them ALL!!I know..we need a super huge bomb and lets bomb ourselves so none escape HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAKABOOM!!.....Uh-oh,I think my nine year old brain has slipped a gear
    By damifino @ 06/19/09 05:34:59 PMreport abuse
  • Government School Spelling Error
    The word is GOVERNMENT, not gov't. geez.
    By Al United @ 06/19/09 05:30:00 PMreport abuse
  • Question
    If PRNK launches and hits anywhere near Hawaii, won't that be seen as an aggressive act worthy of retaliation?

    If so, that doesn't seem like Kim. Kim's motivation is always extortion. He rattles his saber, we give him oil, aid, money, etc.. That is his racket - He is a bad guy but it pays his really large bills.

    Kim does not seem suicidal; provoking an automatic attack from the US would be suicide. I can't imagine Kim's own inner circle wouldn't frag him before he set in motion the events that will get them all killed.
    By jarsh @ 06/19/09 04:58:14 PMreport abuse
  • Has anyone considered...
    ...that maybe this is all orchestrated and is a veiled attempt to test martial law on American soil? Hawaii is pretty remote even for Americans but it is significantly closer than China. Hmmmmm, ....declare a military emergency, shutdown everything in Hawaii(including ALL media), and then the Chinese soldiers can get 1 step closer to America to make their inevitable invasion just a little easier. You know it's going to be China, we owe them more than anyone and they can mobilize 100 million and not even notice a dip in the crowds on Saturday night. Don't even begin to deny that The U.S. Government isn't that evil. They've done so much to he people since Lincoln(the original "economic war for emotional reasons" President) that has been based on media manipulation and intimidation. If you want to defend the people, don't stand in their way to defend themselves. Anyway, just wondering....
    By Burley @ 06/19/09 04:20:08 PMreport abuse
  • @ Copyleft
    Buried in your sarcasm, there is a nugget of truth... Our politicians do tend to ratchet up the fear levels, and everyone who is put up to be the enemy of the state is made out to be the next Hitler. Like you, I don't see Li'l Kim as the next Hitler... but I do see him as the first Kim Jong Il. I've got to admit, when Bush was talking up Saddam, I was thinking to myself.. WTF is he doing? Isn't N. Korea ACTUALLY dangerous to a great number of people? Hell, they've got nukes within a strike zone of billions of people. Saddam only had some model rockets, a wood chipper, AK-47's and a slipshod army. Hopefully we at least learned a lesson about preemptive attacks...
    By Forrest @ 06/19/09 04:06:58 PMreport abuse
  • Reminds me of an old song...
    "Third rate romance, low rent rendevous..." It's hard to take this guy seriously, he wishes he had all the toys and loose change Chavez has. Maybe he could swing a decent merkin for the top of his head( yes, I know they don't go there!) So he threatens everybody instead. Like Chavez, he needs to be boxed in and ignored. Unlike Chavez, he has no real power. Shoot a missle, we shoot it down and then what's he gonna do? Focus on the real threat to our national security, the knuckleheads controlling Congress and the Whitehouse. Now there's something to be scared of!
    By Chuck @ 06/19/09 03:09:05 PMreport abuse
  • Interesting Observation
    There's a fascinating coincidence that's been going on in U.S. foreign policy ever since the 1940s...

    As it turns out, every single foreign leader who disagreed with U.S. conservatives was Hitler! Isn't that AMAZING?

    You can tell because of what the conservative leaders said in response to all those situations. No matter where, who, when, or what the circumstances, they all announced, "Talk is pointless. Any attempt at diplomacy or containment is sniveling, Chamberlain-style appeasement that will never work. We need all-out war, and NOW! Because he's HITLER."

    Yep, it's true. Arafat was Hitler. And so was Gorbachev, and Castro, and Khomeni, and Kim Il-Sung, and Saddam. Every single one of 'em--Hitler. And the ONLY option was to launch an immediate all-out offensive in all those situation, or America was DOOMED. (According to the conservatives, that is.)

    Just thought it was an interesting coincidence to start the weekend on. Hey--what's that behind you? Uh-oh, it's your shadow! Better watch out, it's probably HITLER! (chuckle)
    By Copyleft @ 06/19/09 02:56:52 PMreport abuse
  • China's Role
    Reply to By Not an expert on geopolitical policy and neither are you:
    China is not that strong of an ally of North Korea. NK is a convenient tool for their diplomatic game of weiqi with the US, South Korea, Japan, and Taiwan. If NK steps too far, its leadership will change overnight. As for this missile launch, if there was any indication that NK’s missile was an actual threat it would never leave the launch pad. Right now the Chinese are sitting back and watching to see what we will do about the missile. What can they gain by allowing this incident to happen is invaluable. How strong is the US leadership? What is the US military capability to counter this threat and what assets will be deployed? Rest assured that both China and Russia will have navel forces deployed underwater in the NK missile’s splash zone to observe US Navel forces.

    If our leadership totally fails in this incident, China’s next move will be to ratchet up its rhetoric and flex more military’s might around Taiwan with the intention of weakening that island’s resolve to remain independent.
    By I had a professor who once worked for RAND . @ 06/19/09 02:52:49 PMreport abuse
  • NK Missile
    Their is an easy way to handle this. All President Obama has to say is, "If you test fire one of your missiles in our direction we will test fire ten of our missiles in your direction." If theirs hits us they can say that they are sorry and that they were just testing and if ours hits we can say the same thing.
    By Scott @ 06/19/09 02:42:46 PMreport abuse
  • To Operator
    You wrote: "retaliating with overwhelming force that returns the N. Koreans to the stone age".

    Yes, indeed, the reptilian brain (or the 9-year old boy) at work. Such a move might feel good, but congratulations, by nuking or otherwise obliterating N. Korea you've not only killed or ruined the lives of millions of innocent civilians (not that people of your ilk probably care about that), but you made an enemy with China and started a war with China. Now you've solved one problem by creating another one 100 times worse.
    By Not an expert on geopolitical affairs and neither are you @ 06/19/09 01:38:44 PMreport abuse
  • NK launch
    So they launch a missile towards us. It doesn't reach. They fire another. It doesn't reach either. Eventually they have one that WILL reach. We ignore it, like the little boy who cried wolf.

    BOOM! Goodbye Waikiki. And hundreds of thousands of Americans.
    By Ben Dover @ 06/19/09 01:36:24 PMreport abuse
  • @ butt neckid
    Touché, sir, you are correct in the remark about the carriers. However, the Japanese were under an artificial deadline on the attack, and knew they had to strike within a certain window. Unfortunate for them that the carriers were not in a convenient position for attack, so they made their secondary target, the battleships, their new primary. Overall though, their objective was to weaken the US Pacific fleet because they knew we would enter into the war eventually, and they felt it prudent to have us in as weak a position as possible within their sphere of influence. Considering that the war in Europe ended significantly sooner than the one in the Pacific, one could argue that although they missed the carriers, they still executed a substantial blow against the US fleet, which prolonged the war by putting them in a stronger defensive position.
    By Forrest @ 06/19/09 01:29:45 PMreport abuse
  • they test................we test........oooops......
    ok! I have an idea....

    kim-jong-sick(can't spell il) wants to test his toys, so let's test some of ours. if the tests over lap in the same geographical area and 'sumpin' bad happens......oooooops!

    I would follow the first rule of boxing "protect yourself at all times." I would also follow the first rule of bar room brawling "every thing is a weapon use it first or get your ass kicked!"

    however, not enough of you voted for me so I don't get to play with the big kids.......and their toys. crap!

    ok i'll shorten my signature
    drip, arm, protect.....happy friday
    By butt neckid @ 06/19/09 01:25:33 PMreport abuse
  • @ rocket scientist
    Hey now, I'm not saying my "data" is flawless, I'm just citing an example from the Secretary of Defense's office. Blame them for including retired programs in their budget... thats a perfect example of the crap we need to not be continuing to fund.
    By Forrest @ 06/19/09 01:24:28 PMreport abuse
  • A lame reponse from a lame duck administration
    I think Obama's cajones were surgically removed at some point in his life.

    Apparently, someone lobbing ICBM's at the USA is no longer an act of war. Now, it's simply "we're in a good position to defend" ourselves. What about retaliating with overwhelming force that returns the N. Koreans to the stone age?

    Am I missing something here or is the administration already preparing us for a "no-response" posture to a nuclear strike?

    I already knew Obama hated America and wanted its destruction, but at what point will the dumb masses wake up and realize it for themselves?

    God help us.
    By $mooth Operator @ 06/19/09 01:23:00 PMreport abuse
  • punked!
    We just got punked by North Korea. Did you really expect our new "leadership" to do anything less than shy away? When Hawaii becomes a Neo-Atlantis we can only hope all Obama voters are there to go down with it.
    By - Bye Liberty @ 06/19/09 01:21:34 PMreport abuse
  • Added Data
    Also the LEAP and ERIS are not deployed systems, which is why those tests were not included in Kadish's report.
    By Rocket Scientist @ 06/19/09 12:59:02 PMreport abuse
  • @SamC
    You nail'd it. It's politicians needing to bring money back to their districts. That, paired with us literally being Team America: World Police, has us damn near bankrupt. We can't engage another target unless our nation's survival is at stake.
    By Forrest @ 06/19/09 12:54:55 PMreport abuse
  • Meh
    So he is launching a missle at us. One that can't possibly make it that far.

    Basically he is 'farting in our general direction.' Didn't know he was French.

    No, this launch is just a distraction from more important things like the nukes.
    By John Morris @ 06/19/09 12:50:06 PMreport abuse
  • @Forrest
    *laughs* I love how your "data" includes a retired Lockheed interceptor. Nice try though!
    http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/hoe.htm
    By Rocket Scientist @ 06/19/09 12:49:56 PMreport abuse
  • you are wrong................
    forrest you are wrong. the japanese war machine wanted the CARRIERS but they got the battleships. bad news for the yellow horde.

    what happened next was something they didn't 'xpect. they pissed the AMERICAN people off.

    however the rest of your statement to rich is pretty close to the mark.

    DRIP don't return incumbent politicians
    ARM YOURSELF
    PROTECT YOU AND YOURS
    By butt neckid @ 06/19/09 12:46:34 PMreport abuse
  • Forrest and Rodgers
    rodgers: its not a bad idea. the people of NK are starving to death. maybe not Krispy Kreme though.

    Forrest: you can add 10% to military websites on spending and subtract 10% to peace websites on spending. :O)
    By tshirt-doctor.com @ 06/19/09 12:43:13 PMreport abuse
  • Perhaps carpet bombing dropping boxes of Krispy Kreme donuts with coupons for a free dozen on NK instead of bombs. Mass defections? END QUOTE

    I think KK is filing for bankruptcy. Now that is a tragedy!
    By SamC @ 06/19/09 12:28:46 PMreport abuse
  • responses
    Responding to:
    cost effects
    we've already spent $60 billion for missile defense system that only works half the time. why don't we send our radar free bombers and take the launch site out? (END QUOTE)

    50% of the time is better than 0% of the time. No system is perfect.

    Sending in bombers would be an act of war. The Gargoyle could claim it was a test missile going into the middle of the ocean.

    I have no idea what to do. Not matter what is done or not done, a good % of people will not like it.

    That said, I have little confidence in this administration. Taking out a pirate with special forces is a far easier decision to make than this mess.
    By SamC @ 06/19/09 12:24:56 PMreport abuse
  • responding to Forrest
    The US military budget is so large compared to other countries because the US protects those nations! Japan has a small military and does South Korea--the US has a large troop presence in both. Same with Germany.

    I am for smarter spending, but you have to look at the recent flaps over things like the new presidential helicopters. The Pentagon and the President say they are not needed; yet the building of those helicopters occurs in a lot of congressional districts which means jobs. So members of congress force the program on the Pentagon. I say that no program that the Pentagon does not approve should ever be funded--not the same as funding everything the Pentagon wants.
    By SamC @ 06/19/09 12:19:29 PMreport abuse
  • I know this is a serious subject but...
    Perhaps carpet bombing dropping boxes of Krispy Kreme donuts with coupons for a free dozen on NK instead of bombs. Mass defections?
    By Rodgers @ 06/19/09 12:18:06 PMreport abuse
  • Gargoyle
    I love it when the words I wanted to write someone beat me to them... Thanks Neal I couldn't of said it better myself...
    By Nancy Dixon @ 06/19/09 12:16:26 PMreport abuse
  • Shooting down the missile
    I think that if you shoot down a nuke, it will merely fall to earth and not detonate. Isn't that the idea behind ABM technology?
    By SamC @ 06/19/09 12:15:08 PMreport abuse
  • Rocket Scientist
    http://www.armscontrol.org/print/1170

    Total Test : 42
    hit targets : 22
    By tshirt-doctor.com @ 06/19/09 12:11:25 PMreport abuse
  • @ t-shirt doctor
    I wouldn't doubt that numbers are being padded somewhere, after all, we do see 'emergency funds' being issued yearly for the 'war on terror' and those aren't usually included in the budget. I was looking at CBO reports, and reports from the Dept. of Defense:

    http://www.defenselink.mil/comptroller/defbudget/fy2009/2009_Budget_Rollout_Release.pdf

    those links you posted are a good read. I don't doubt our government's ability to dump 44% of our tax dollars into defending us against the world's boogeymen and rebuilding nations that will only turn around and attack us in 30 years.
    By Forrest @ 06/19/09 12:00:09 PMreport abuse
  • Not an expert...
    intellectual horsepower of 9 year old boys ("Bomb them") is not productive.

    bomb them! is what most of our presidents say recently.
    the leaders of the US and the leaders of NK are behaving like 9 year old boys going to fight at lunchtime. one of those boys is a giant, the other is a midget. they are staring into each others eyes. one puts a rock on his shoulder and dares the other guy to knock it off. the other guy draws a line in the dirt, daring the other guy to step over it.
    if only one of those guy were grown up, he would walk away. he would care what the other guy said to him, or his buddies.
    By tshirt-doctor.com @ 06/19/09 11:58:59 AMreport abuse
  • @ Rich
    Just had to point out... Japan didn't try to invade Hawai'i. They had a specific goal, and that was Pearl Harbor - more specifically, the battleships which were located there. Hawai'i was the home of the Pacific fleet, which was a danger to Japan who foresaw our entry into WWII regardless of their action. They took a preemptive stance to protect their interests in the long run (sound familiar?). They never had an invasion fleet prepared, only a few aircraft carriers barely within range to execute their attack. North Korea couldn't execute any invasion unless it is land-based. Their navy is a joke, but the number of boots on soil is a serious concern to a nation like South Korea. We aren't in direct danger from N. Korea, only our allies are, and history shows us being very supportive of our allies. I see us getting dragged into a third world war, and if China takes the high road and is our ally, we'll probably find a second cold war emerging with two world powers on the Asian continent, and the US.
    By Forrest @ 06/19/09 11:50:37 AMreport abuse
  • GMD
    For those of you talking about our missile defense system, it has a success rate a hell of a lot better than 50%. You might want to double check your "facts".

    Also, there are missile defense cuts for the US based system, not just the European system. Boeing alone is cutting 40% of the jobs associated with the US GMD program.

    I bet Japan is really worried considering this missile will be flying directly over them on its way to Hawaii.
    By Rocket Scientist @ 06/19/09 11:49:15 AMreport abuse
  • Forrest
    i've gone to websites where they've defense making up around 44% of that. it all depends on who you get your information from. i have been to your websites where you get your 25% from.
    25%:http://www.fundmasteryblog.com/2009/04/06/government-spending-past-present/
    44%:http://www.globalissues.org/article/75/world-military-spending
    By tshirt-doctor.com @ 06/19/09 11:30:02 AMreport abuse
  • Obama haters, what is YOUR solution to North Korea?
    The "cheap red meat" discussion on the North Korea topic, appropriate for simplistic Obama-hating talk radio, is to somehow imply that Kim Jong Il's insanity is somehow Obama's fault.

    A more enlightened and productive discussion of the topic is a nonpartisan, intellectual, America (not party) first, debate of what to do.

    The issues are not easy. China is a strong ally of North Korea (though even China has expressed frustrations with its rambunctious little brother in recent months). Our military is already overextended and you know what kind of shape the federal budget is in.

    I don't claim to have the answers. So, Obama haters, what is your answer, with careful consideration of the consequences thereof?

    This is a serious issue, and I would like to see TV&radio news and talk shows interview former secretaries of state, secretaries of defense, and military strategists, from both parties, to start to understand the options and consequences. Uninformed noise among a bunch of juvenile talk radio listeners with the intellectual horsepower of 9 year old boys ("Bomb them") is not productive.
    By Not an expert on geopolitical policy and neither are you @ 06/19/09 11:26:47 AMreport abuse
  • History repeats itself
    Didn't another Asian country which got too big for its britches try and invade Hawaii about 70 years ago? As I recall, it didn't work out too well for them in the long run.
    By Rich @ 06/19/09 11:24:49 AMreport abuse
  • North Korean Situation
    I am pretty sure that if we promise to reduce carbon emissions and take additional 'Considerations of Others' training, the North Koreans will back down. You know that nothing makes a rogue regime think twice about acting up than weakness and surrender in the face of the enemy...
    By Pablo @ 06/19/09 11:22:07 AMreport abuse
  • another poor decision by George Bush
    Do you Bush fans in here have short memories or are you just glad you have someone else to blame? Your Boy George removed North Korea from the terror blacklist less than a year ago.

    You can whine about Democrats and liberals and how soft they are all you want but let's hear someone reconcile George Bush's vastly different stances on North Korea: axis of evil or not worthy of the terror blacklist?

    Did he screw the pooch by saying they weren't a threat in October or is all of this supposed threat some big surprise?
    By Gavin Volaire @ 06/19/09 11:15:29 AMreport abuse
  • go to united nations after nuke hits
    go to united nations after nuke hits, that will scare them!
    By jimjim @ 06/19/09 11:06:31 AMreport abuse
  • @ Ivan
    I believe that a black budget exists, but our entire national budget is around $3T, with defense making up around 25% of that. While I do believe there is money going into black ops projects, $2T seems way too much to be feasable, and I doubt it could be kept secret. The entire Apollo program cost us about $140 Billion, just to give a comparison. That kind of money is very difficult to spend in secret, because the products/results and number of workers involved and jobs produced would be tremendous. The CBO shows no evidence of this level of spending, which our govenrnment would have to compensate for by borrowing significant amounts of money from other nations, and our national debt is high, but not high enough to reflect that level of spending. Personally, I'd like to know what 650 Billion is buying us in defense, when we spend 4x more than anyone else, there must be tremendous waste present in the cost of the goods and services the government is procuring (no-bid contracts). I am confident we could easily lean that out by 50% and still have the most sophisticated defense force on the planet.
    By Forrest @ 06/19/09 11:05:14 AMreport abuse
  • NK missle
    I'll bet you any amount you want that Obama lets the missle splash into the ocean, and says "See, no problem. I handled that one pretty well, didn't I?"
    Utterly pathetic.
    By FoxyRob @ 06/19/09 10:51:15 AMreport abuse
  • @ Red Leader, regarding Jesus and Trillions
    Actually, if you spent a million dollars a day, you'd only know what 733 Billion is. If you spent a million dollars every 120 minutes for the last 2009 years (approximate, yes I am aware of Gregorian calendar differences...but I'm keeping it simple) you'd only know what 8.8 Trillion is.

    Thats how big our deficit is.

    If you spent a million dollars a day for 1780 years, that would equal one year of our defense budget.
    By Forrest @ 06/19/09 10:49:09 AMreport abuse
  • @ MikeS
    For the moment, I think it wise that we not take any action. It is in the best interest of America to just watch this guy... the world expects us to be an aggressor, and they would see any action as aggression unless we were directly and deliberately struck, and if we go in preemptive again, we’ll find it difficult to recruit allies. Also, we’ve been all but bankrupted by the optional war in Iraq, and we really don’t have the resources to readily jump into another war unless absolutely necessary. If our government’s spending is already 1.2T in the hole this year, where do you think the money will come from to pay for what could very well be a nuclear conflict?

    The reality of it is, North Korea is far more interested in the politics on the Korean peninsula than they are with striking the US. After speaking with a S. Korean immigrant earlier in the week, I was given the impression that the Government of North Korea is interested solely in perpetuating the wealth and power transfer within Kim Jong Il's family, and nothing more. According to this gentleman, they're only showing this kind of power to keep everyone out of their affairs, in an effort to maintain their power and wealth, obviously at the expense of the rest of their nation. Their missiles are sketchy technology, the last one didn't make it but 2400 miles, which puts any US territory (aside from Guam, not a worth-while target in an ICBM age) well out of range. They're far more likely to initiate aggression by attacking South Korea (they've been at war for 60 years) or Japan (they're defenseless).

    I'm far more afraid of the ramifications of us being dragged into a war involving China, Russia, Korea, Japan, and possibly India, than I am about a direct hit being executed against the U.S. I just don't see that they have the technology to pull it off. We’re best served letting the locals, China, Russia, and Japan, get worried about this guy and forming a general alliance against North Korea that we can join later, after Li’l Kim flies off the handle. It will put us in a stronger position, and will preserve the most capital, which is something we are severely lacking right now.
    By Forrest @ 06/19/09 10:40:39 AMreport abuse
  • fascist legislation....
    Why do I get the feeling that more fascist legislation is on its way as a result of this?
    By Lysander Spooner @ 06/19/09 10:37:35 AMreport abuse
  • hmmmmm
    The same people saying that North Korea is a threat are the same ones that will not shut the border down and encourage the illegals to go home. Even the media makes North Korea sound like a threat, but then refuses to use the term "illegal Alien". Instead they just lump illegal aliens into the category of immigrant which is an insult to immigrants since they are 2 separate entities. No closed border? Hard to believe there's a threat then. When the Mongols threatened ancient China they closed their border. Something is not adding up for America.
    By Big Africa @ 06/19/09 10:35:50 AMreport abuse
  • Mike S question...
    Keep in mind when you answer what America should do, that America has no money to fight ANY wars, America is broke due to over extending itself, about 11 trillion dollars of debt and counting. To give you an idea of how much that is, if you spent 1 million dollars a year since the day Jesus was born you STILL wouldn't go through 11 trillion dollars. America already has some type of military presence in over 100 countries around the planet(need any more Roman empire parralels? How'd that work out for the Romans?) that it cannot afford. America has an entitlement system that is non-sustainable and both dems and republicans want to add a few more million to that doomed entitlement system with amnesty. So yeah keep in mind America is broke and is now printing money out of thin air and causing inflation. A situation Al Queda and Islamic Jihad are in glee about since they want to affect America's economy and bring America down. What should America do? Does America have the cash to bomb or invade another country? Are the sanctions in North Korea working? Or maybe follow the constitution and downsize and stop intervening in the internal affairs of other people's countries?
    By Red Leader @ 06/19/09 10:31:24 AMreport abuse
  • With his health failing
    I am guessing the little creep wants to go out with a bang so the world remembers him long after he is gone.
    By Jeff @ 06/19/09 10:25:54 AMreport abuse
  • theards@cox.net
    North Korea is just a way for China to feel out our defenses. Nothing happens there without permission from China.
    By James Ard @ 06/19/09 10:25:32 AMreport abuse
  • cost effects
    we've already spent $60 billion for missile defense system that only works half the time. why don't we send our radar free bombers and take the launch site out?
    By tshirt-doctor.com @ 06/19/09 10:21:51 AMreport abuse
  • To Forrest
    About defense spending...you'd be surprised to find out that at least 25% of all defense spending does not go toward building up our national defense. It goes into the black budget and disappears. Currently black budget spending is roughly $2 Trillion per year. Wouldn't you like to know where that money goes? I would like to know what $2 Trillion a year buys you.
    By Ivan @ 06/19/09 10:18:02 AMreport abuse
  • Just Wondering
    What everyone thinks we should do? I'm all in favor of staging an Aegis cruiser outside of Hawaii and shooting down the missile if it gets close. But what do you want to do about North Korea? Three Administration haven't found an answer, but you think you have one? Should we invade? Should we bomb? Should we blockade? Enjoy your war with China, then.
    By MikeS @ 06/19/09 10:13:38 AMreport abuse
  • the reality of it....
    Maybe America should have some type of missle defense system in place....in America not in the Ukraine. Maybe America should get that money by decreasing entitlements to welfare professionals and ending this stupid drug war, since it takes about 45,000 to keep one prisoner in jail for one year....due to drug use? America has to get serious. I'd prefer a missle defense system over keeping potheads in jail anyday. Is anyone suprised though that the Norks are hostile towards the U.S? After all the U.S military has been sitting on the North Korean border for quite some time. Maybe they know America has overextended itself due to the Neo-Con foreign policy and now they are exploiting it. Do we really think that if Iran were to place their troops on the Mexican border that Americans would be happy about it? That America would just roll over and think its cool? Nope. Then why do Americans expect other countries to do it? Somehow though I get the strange feeling that this is one of these crises for the sake of government growth type things. Im sure some type of legislation is going to come out of this no matter what, kind of like the anti-American Patriot Act.Remember Rahm Emmanuels words on not letting a good crisis go to waste. Looks like America is heading further down the same road Rome went....and both are eerily linked to an empire mentality.
    By Red Leader @ 06/19/09 09:55:31 AMreport abuse
  • Has everyone forgotten
    Has everyone forgotten what Mr. Biden stated before the Inauguration Day, that Obama's Administration would be tested during his first few months... and now we will roll over like a puppy... what a test...
    By Anon @ 06/19/09 09:55:06 AMreport abuse
  • gov't school spelling error
    The word is PROBABLY, not prolly. geez
    By ko @ 06/19/09 09:47:56 AMreport abuse
  • No response from USA
    If a rocket is fired towards Hawaii, I predict that the White House response will be minimal. No military response (explained away as the rocket posed no real threat). Remember that many on the White House staff believe in relativism. Their question will be, “What has the USA done to provoke this action?”
    By Alfred Hussein Neuman @ 06/19/09 09:39:09 AMreport abuse
  • Air Defense a legacy of another “failed” Reagan program
    Hey, but who needs an anti-missile defense system...you know Reagan's "Star Wars"? It is amazing how much mileage we have made on the research that was done back then. Glad to say that it was a bipartisan effort…oh wait, I forgot the Democrats were against this program. Hummmm
    By Jake @ 06/19/09 09:37:25 AMreport abuse
  • No Guts
    This launch will, of course, go on unabated. Obama and the lefties in Congress don't have the 'nads to do anything about it and that insane knucklehead knows it. Obama will be too busy with his Ponzi Scheme of a healthcare plan which is a kind of irony. He'd rather spoon feed us this healthcare plan, which according to the Constitution is not a function of government than protect this country, which is, according to the Constitution, a function of government. Make no mistake folks, the dictators of the world were salivating for Obama to get elected because they know that he and his ilk in Congress and the U.N. don't have the resolve to fight back. Reagan believed in strength through superior firepower and he wasn't afraid to use it. Obama actually believes that you can negotiate with people like this. Chamberlain thought the same thing and we all saw how that turned out.
    By Rockhound @ 06/19/09 09:37:19 AMreport abuse
  • Tied to the whipping post
    Now that we have a pantywaist in the Oval office we are a ripe target for bullying from all manner of evil madmen. The Gargoyle is bat-squeeze crazy and will continue to test the US until we somehow find the intestinal fortitude to call his bluff.
    By Diplomatic Immunity @ 06/19/09 09:35:21 AMreport abuse
  • nuts with nukes
    Wake up, America. Dummy Obama just gave Iran his nuclear blessing last week. This guy is a cluuuuuueless knumb-nut.

    Ever watch a post-nuclear war sci-fi flick and think to yourself, "Thank God this is just fantasy, considering the US and Russia would never engage in a nuclear war."? Well, that's all changed now that 7th century throwbacks have been allowed to acquire nuclear technology. Apparently, "it's their right".
    By stepcousin @ 06/19/09 09:35:11 AMreport abuse
  • to add clarity on the defense cuts...
    The missile defense cuts are slated for 2010 and are for the missile shield in Europe... not really applicable to North Korea.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/16/lawmakers-question-obamas-missile-defense-cuts/

    For those who forgot, yes, I'm in favor of defense cuts. I think our government spends way too much in every category, including defense. Our defense budget is 4x what the next highest national defense budget is, and it is greater than every other country's defense budget...combined. Yet, 9/11 still happens, and soldiers don't have body armor, but darnit we've got some COOL planes! Granted, I love those cool planes and other nifty gadgets our massive defense spending develops, but if you look at the cost/benefit, there's not much there. Our defense budget should he half of what it is, we should phase out Social Security with the savings, and then proceed to pay down our national debt. Then, when we need to defend ourselves, our currency will be worth enough to buy the labor and materials to make something happen.
    By Forrest @ 06/19/09 09:34:46 AMreport abuse
  • Change we can believe in!!!
    The American people wanted a weak President on national defense but one with all the "hope" and "change" that they could possibly want.

    However, the bozos of the world know that Obama is weak and are going to test him.

    One more thing, as much as the leftists try to blame Bush on this one, the real blame goes to Bill Clinton. However, he couldn't do anything since the Norks are a puppet of China and China bankrolled Clinton's 1996 Presidential Campaign.
    By Marion Morris @ 06/19/09 09:27:51 AMreport abuse
  • North Korea Missile
    If they launch a missile toward Hawaii, boy are they gonna get it. Obama's liable to issue a statement describing his "concern".
    YOU SURE YOU WANT THAT ON YOUR HEAD KIM JONG???
    By Randy @ 06/19/09 09:21:10 AMreport abuse
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