If my math is correct (highly doubtful as I am government educated)then 6 republicans could have stopped this bill.

I think all 8 who voted "yea" should be banned from the party and forced to call themselves liberal theives.

Newt, Ollie North, Hucklebee, and a few others have become professional Obama Bashers. They are BORING!

Boortz, running his mouth unprepared and hung-over is ten times better radio then these gas-bags. They are overplayed, they jump from one conservative talk show to the next. Living Lullabies for people who don't Think or do their own Studying.

A 1.6 trillion tax increase vote on a bill that no one can read - or has read! - sent before congress at 3:09 AM with liberal bribes and selective taxes district-by-district manipulating our economy for the next fifty years, Added to a proposed medical reform method that will cost an additional 1.6 trillion dollars to fix a problem that doesn't exist while destroying a system that does work, added to a Medicare and Medical upcoming system already bankrupt, added to a social security system already bankrupt, all paid for “taxing the rich” to the extent past all that the “rich” could possibly earn in twelve lifetimes ...

But Obama’s ABCNNBCBS offer eulogies and praise for a has-been homohexasexual child-molester who plays plastic surgeon to the gods.

Truly, the new age of bread and circus is upon us.

List of how they voted. I posted all the YES voters on my blog as targets for no re-election, sent an email to Barrow asking him to let his colleagues know what this is going to cost them.

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/111/house/1/votes/477/?sid=ST2009062603966

kick me scratch me bite me...........just don't ignore me

SMACK

Damn, stop it! I can't read this without laughing. C'mon, man! Take it seriously...ok, don't...if you weren't keeping me laughing, I'd be crying like a baby over this stupid bill. Thanks, dude.

ok i think we're dumdasses........

some voted without thinking, who was it?????

we get the gubmint we deserve! I wish I could remember who said that. I know it was some one of note......

com'on you believers pray HARDER, we need you.....

deep breath.......let it out slowly.....squeeeeeeze for the rest of you.....

ACK, um Doc, thanks I think, although in the same category of Copygirl I'm not so sure..... KIDDING! I learn lots from you guys fer sure, even how to spell (LOL)!

Skata, Broun is pretty good, I've been pestering Barrow, just don't trust that one. Although he did sign HR1207, I'll give him an attaboy for that.

We are in DEEP trouble here folks, if we could but quit arguing amongst ourselves and work together, we could make a difference. We don't have to agree, except agreeing that no one in Washington represents any of us anymore, no matter what side you are on.

And if anyone throws a "why can't we just..." I'm gonna reach through this computer and ....

I 4got to thank you for da link to giggles.........

THANKS FOR THE LINK TO GIGGLES!!!

As an elected official charged with representing me, I strongly urge you to vote NO on the HR2454 bill.
Any other vote will most certainly jeapordize (your) representing me in the future.

I called my representative and told them as someone elected to represent me that I strongly encourage them to vote 'NO' on HR 2454. It was a local call and took about 45 seconds.

For everyone who has posted here, I say 'kwiturbitchn' unless you have actually taken the time to make the call.

Just friggin' do it, okay!!

Ivan
I can tell by your 'not like you' rant that you are as frustrated as I am.
I hope you're feeling a little better now.
I'm not.
By JoeShmoe

It's funny you should say that. I was gettin' some fresh air when it popped into my head that maybe Jacko isn't really dead. Just another wacked publicity stunt of a twisted individual to actually see what people reactions would be to think one was really dead. sort of like looking down from above. Now maybe on the conspiracy side, what perfect timing if the government somehow had part in the scheme because they know that half the country is more concerned about American Idols and enough Jacko fans would be distracted enough long enough for them to ram this bill through. And yeah, maybe just took him out.
We may never know.
Hmmmmmmmmm

that ANYTHING we bitch about to our POS representatives is going to change one damned thing. You can e-mail or call your REP until you're blue in the face and they are going to (maybe) tell you what you want to hear or take an undecided stance and then do what ever the hell they want to do.
The only way those morons are going to listen is when we MAKE them listen and I mean by force. It's going to take an armed revolution in this country by the masses (not the dumb ones) to realize we're NOT going to take this lying down.

Get your guns and ammo, your pitchforks, rocks, bricks, shovels, sledgehammers, whatever you can find to inflict serious bodily injury together 'cause that's the only thing that's going to get their attention.

If I'm lyin', I'm dyin'

Not one single person read the Patriot Act before it was passed. That was the agenda. Noone was meant to see it before its passage.

I wonder how many in Congress read the Patriot Act before they voted on it?

MINORITY VIEWS ON H.R. 2454

SUMMARY
H.R. 2454 is proposed legislation that if enacted would impose major new costs and expansive regulatory controls over a weak and struggling U.S. economy. If implemented, this legislation threatens to lock the United States into an era of economic stagnation and global decline.

The bill would impose new greenhouse gas emissions standards and efficiency standards across the U.S. economy, create an untested and complex multi-trillion dollar cap-and-trade program, direct the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), the Department of Energy (DOE) and other agencies to promulgate a host of new regulations on American businesses and enterprise, and authorize more than a trillion dollars of taxpayer outlays. This bill if enacted would result in a massive expansion of the EPA and other federal regulatory control over virtually all major sectors of the U.S. economy.

If enacted, the bill would impose enormous new direct and indirect costs on U.S. consumers and would have major implications for financial markets and international trade and commerce. The full costs of implementing the bill are not known and the bill was considered and reported by the Committee before cost estimates of all the titles were prepared or made available. While prices for energy and goods and services would rise for virtually all Americans, certain regions of the country will be particularly adversely affected by the legislation. All amendments offered by the Minority to suspend the bill in the event of significantly increased energy prices, including amendments offered by Representative Lee Terry (R-NE), Representative Roy Blunt (R-MO), and Representative George Radanovich (R-CA), were defeated. An amendment offered by Representative Marsha Blackburn (R-TN) that would have required that the costs of compliance be reflected in utility bills, fuel pump bills, and manufactured products and food labels, was also defeated.

Enactment of this legislation will unquestionably cause job losses in the U.S. in the manufacturing, industrial and other energy-intensive sectors, including in those industries that produce globally-traded commodities. The bill would dramatically increase energy costs for energy-intensive industries and put U.S. companies at a competitive disadvantage with foreign competitors in China, India, and other developing countries. While the proponents of the bill contend that an unspecified number of clean energy jobs will be created in the coming years, modeling done to date concludes that the number of jobs lost would far exceed any jobs created. All amendments offered by the Minority, including amendments offered by Representative Fred Upton (R-MI), Representative Tim Murphy (R-PA), Representative Mike Rogers (R-MI), Representative John Shimkus (R-IL), and Representative George Radanovich (R-CA) to protect against high national unemployment or job losses in specific industries resulting from implementation of the bill, such as job losses in the steel, coal, automotive and agriculture industries, were all defeated along partisan lines.

Please start shaming these jerks on air. I just called Heath Schuler's (d- NC) and they said he's made a decision but isn't releasing it to the public yet. BS! Please shame them on the air. Pressure them.

What is the site mentioned by Gingrich for the online petition? Thanks.

Both our Idaho senators are Republican, not much chance they'll vote yes, but I've already told our Rep (not that he'll care) that if he even thinks about voting for this disaster OR National Healthcare, I will do what I can to get him voted the hell out of office. He's a Dem, anyway...the only reason he got elected in THIS state was because the incumbent was a corrupt jerko, and everybody was tired of him.

Not that I have any illusions, mind you...I know this crap is going to get passed...only ones benefitting from this piece of crap are GE and Owl Gore.

I am getting sick and tired of having to email my elected officials 3 and 4 times a week. I've contacted them about 1000% more this year than I have in my entire life.

I'm glad I heat my home with wood...we'd never be able to afford the heating bill that's fixing to be rammed down everybody's throats.

Do we get a refund if global temperatures happen to go down? And what if the lower 48 fully complies with the desired levels that are prescribed...and the average temperature still goes up? Do we charge ourselves for crimes against the planet?

Who get's charged for wildfires? Volcanoes? Solar flares? Meteors?
Did we find some new method to change the overall level of carbon in the world? One cannot "create" Carbon...any more than one can "destroy" carbon...we can only change it's state. (solid, liquid, gas)

If they vote on it...and never read it, shouldn't they be impeached for incompetence/malfeasance?

Directive 10-289 is not far behind...

I know I'll probably be slammed for saying this, but here's a conspiracy for you ... Maybe the US Gov't killed Michael Jackson to divert attention from this horrible bill in congress. ... ... Just sayin'. I'd not put it past them.

This bill is nothing more than Pelosi's attempt to suck up to Al Gore. This man is not a scientist and he is not an environmentalist (after all he does fly around in a private jet, and lives in a mansion that wastes more energy than 50 average American homes do). Al Gore is nothing more than a sore loser, a hypocrite, and sad lawyer that is cashing in big time on his "global warming" stories, or now I believe the correct term is "climate change". Oh yeah, how many times was Gore snowed out when he tried to present his "global warming" to some hapless group of people , or college paying him a fortune to hear him bark. If you can't practice what you preach you should not preach that message.

What a great way to help the American economy. Oh yeah, what are we going to do about China? They are the most polluting country today. While we cut back, they pollute more. Will we simply buy compact florescent bulbs that are "Made In China"?

I think you are right, we will start seeing a return of the recession in the spring, maybe next summer. Which is exactly what CBO said would happen if the stimulus bill passed.

It should be law that an affirmative vote for a new law stipulates that you have in fact read the legislation.

“grandchildren that will eventually suffer”

Neal, you keep implying that the economic tsunami will wait a couple of decades. That’s just not true. Try 18 months or so. Already confidence in the dollar is declining. We are looking at a replay of the 70’s on steroids, i.e. in stead of an inflationary recession it will be an inflationary depression.

Yes, they have crafted this bill to put off some cost until later but you know they will start chipping away at that in a few months. If it passes the House we can hope it is stopped in the Senate. If not this bill on top of the other third world banana republic economic policies being implemented will deep-six this economy. It’s literally economic suicide.

No idea where Congressman Rodriguez will be swayed, but the word was he was undecided. The voice mailboxes for all of his congressional aids was full this morning. Hopefully, that means many people have voiced their concern today.

I've been saying it on here for ever... The government needs to cut wasteful defense spending. We buy crap we don't need because we have companies with employees in nearly every state, and congress votes to extend very expensive projects that are deemed unnecessary by the pentagon, only to keep jobs in their districts. I've been saying it... now here's a perfect example:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090625/pl_nm/us_congress_defense_1

The OMB said it strongly objected to the House decision to include $369 million in advanced procurement funds to buy 12 more F-22 fighter jets built by Lockheed Martin Corp despite a Pentagon decision to halt production at 187.

Some lawmakers are pushing to continue production of the F-22 until a current ban on exports can be lifted to allow Japan to buy a modified version of the premiere U.S. fighter jet. The Lockheed program employs workers in over 40 states
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And Obama is set to veto the bill unless the funds for the unnecessary jets are removed. Thank you, sir, for doing something admirable. It isn't weak on defense (jets that don't get used are not going to defend us) it is smart on money. Now, if you can just find the other 300 billion in waste in defense, we'd be in great shape.

Cap and Trade sucks, FYI

Come on Neal its the newest fab thats sweeping the nation by storm...Taxation with misrepisentation!

"Save a tree" is an absolute sham, at least here in the USA. Owlgore and his ilk have used it for years to convince US that we are pulling out the trees that prop up the sky and now it is falling! It is a political scam aimed at gaining control. It feeds off the mantra “America is bad, its people are hogs and American Industry is bad; now go hide and feel guilty.”

I have been in printing since 1970 and I have long been amazed at the paper industry and their methods of resource management. Talk to anyone in the forestry business and ask them how logical it would be for them to "rape our forest lands" without replanting, managing their industrial resources. Think about it; how smart would it be for the paper and wood industries to wholesale wipe out all the trees with no plans for the future of their business? How long would their industries last? The past 30 years alone would have wiped out the majority of trees in the US if they had failed to manage their forests. They would have been long gone by now and all the oxygen would have been sucked out of our atmosphere.

It is an absolute verifiable fact that there are more acres under trees today in the lower 48 than when the Constitution was signed. It is true that in some 3rd world countries trees have been scavenged. The Forest Stewardship Council is working on stopping that. Here in America our paper and wood industries have for many years managed their forests, growing healthy trees and planning for their industries future growth. The US version of the FSC is the Sustainable Forestry Initiative.

So next time you hear someone saying “don’t print that email… you’re killing a tree and pretty soon there won’t be any more left!” tell them they are ignorant, government educated NUTS.

But then, we need that group of people now don't we, so they can vote Democrats into power? Then the all powerful Dems can give us such idiocy as this Cap and Trade farce.

God help US.

If you oppose Cap and Trade and you have not contacted your Representative to voice your opposition to HR 2454...shame on you.

Who actually wrote this bill? If congress was only allowed to vote on something they actually wrote we'd have more of something we could all read because it would be written on a 6th grade level.

Unfortunately not enough people in this country question what they see in the mainstream media and even fewer ever contact their representatives to tell them "if you vote for this I will never vote for you again". This is something I have done multiple times and will continue to do.

The question is not "Do you think they've even read this thing?" but "Do they even know how to read?"

Unfortunately no, most only have a vague idea of what's in the bill (except those who actually stuffed it with pork, and they only know their section.) You can bet that the Liberals will use scare tactics and fear mongering to get it passed (remember how if Congress didn't pass the stimulus bill America was doomed?) That seems to be how this administration gets things done. They're gonna cry wolf, and they're getting everything they want through now before the people wake up and realize there is no wolf, except, y'know, those crying it.

No one has read it. On the other hand, if I were in Congress, I would vote NO without reading one single page of this garbage. Why on earth would I need to read this crap to know what it is. However, for the ones voting YES, who are making us pay $1 trillion for this scam because of their yes vote, they should be called out and they better have read it. The MSM won't do it. If I were Fox, I would invite one of these guys who voted yes, and then grilled him on the details of this thing to see if he read any of it. Then, after it becomes obvious that he didn't read it, ridiculue and destroy him on air. Tell him, "You are adding another TRILLION to the taxpayer's billfor this bill yet you haven't even took the effort to do the minimum of what your job requires which is read the bill? Are you serious?"

WELL SAID NEAL!!!!

Geez Neal – Don't give them any ideas...