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BIT OF A PROBLEM WITH AN ATLANTA-AREA TAX PROTEST

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Neal Boortz
@ June 29, 2009 8:13 AM
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It seems that there was a Tea Party tax protest scheduled for Independence Day in Gwinnett County. The event was going to take place in the parking lot of the old Macy's at Gwinnett Place Mall. Gwinnett Place is a Simon mall. The parking lot where the event was to take place is privately owned. The owner of the property had given permission. Last week the Simon people asked the event organizers to come to a meeting. Even though Simon did not own the property, there were some contractual agreements that gave Simon control over what could and could not be done there. So ... the Tea Party is now history. Julianne Thompson, the co-organizer of the event, tells us that Simon didn't like the fact that the word "protest" was being used to promote the event --- besides, Simon doesn't like "political events" on property they control.

So .. there you go. The Scheduled Atlanta Tea Party is history. The vendors, fireworks, children's activities ... all of it cancelled. No alternative location could be found on such short notice. So, on this Independence day, we want to thank Simon Property Group, Inc. for standing up for the cause of liberty. Not.

There are other Tea Party tax protests in the Atlanta area for Independence Day. Check out this list of nationwide protests to find one near you. 



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What others are saying

  • Right to free speech
    The time has come. The time is now. Either stand up for your rights...or they will all be gone before you know it. Hold the 'Tea Party' protest on the 'Main Street' of whatever town/city you are in...screw the permits. Protest the way real protesting is supposed to be done!! In the streets!
  • Simon has the right to change their mind
    and I have the right to change my shopping locations. I have contacted the malls in NC to let them know I will be voting with my $$$$, what's left of it, anyway.
  • Joining with Cobb T.E.A. Party
    This T.E.A. Party is joining up with the one in Cobb County at the Fairgrounds. Let's all go there on July 3rd!
  • Come to the south side.
    There is a TEA Party planned in Peachtree City. We have a parade saturday morning and the TEA party in the afternoon and fireworks over the lake in the evening. There are plenty of TEA parties planned in Georgia as well. Use the attached link to locate the one closest to you.

    http://www.teapartyday.com/Locations.aspx

    Power to the people
  • Permits
    The event leader was actually on the news last week with more details on this story. The permits were approved by both Simon Properties and the owner back in March of 2009

    Sure Simon has the ability to pull permits after they are approved, but this was planned. The reasoning for pulling the permits was an expired( in 2004) easement agreement and they did not want a political protest. Fine

    The permits could have been pulled months ago or not even approved in the first place. This was planned. The event was expecting to draw 20,000 fed up taxpayers. Hard to find a venue for 20K people 2 weeks before 4th of July.
  • Tea Party Protest
    I just notified the Simon Property Group that I will no longer shop at any of their locations.
  • @Ivan
    And why do you think the left has been working tirelessly to limit our 2nd Amendment rights? I'm glad to see you see the light.

    The tyranny of the left knows no bounds.
  • SIMONS AND PACERS
    The Simon's own the Indiana Pacers. Boycott the Pacers.
  • It's their choice, but it's not like their's been a shortage of parking at GPM lately.
    I vote with my wallet every day.
  • 70% of their BOD are democrats
    I looked up the BOD members on OpenSecrets.org and found most of them made contricutions to Democrat candidates. Not surprising they wouldn;t allow someone to protest their "chosen one". Its their right though.
  • the simon group..
    BOYCOTT the Simon group and its 190 locations..although im sure after this act obama will deem the simon group too big to fail and grant them a generous compensation package..follow the money
  • Simon does NOT own this property!
    In fact the "reciprocal agreement" they use as basis for demanding the Tea Party not be held there, expired several years ago.

    The actual owners have been pressured into this. Probably got a really high offer to buy just to keep the Tea Party out.
  • if it was mine.........................
    ok here's the scoop..............

    if simon owns the land they may restrict it's use......

    if it was your land you could restrict it's use.................

    private property is just that. unless you are gubmint then "get the f88k off my lawn."

    I have tought everyone that I have served with/under me these 5 or 6 P's of success

    proper
    planning
    prevents
    piss*(optional)
    poor
    performance

    sorry if ya'll don't get to party but go do something fun anyway...

    DRIP don't return incumbent politician
    ARM YOURSELF
    PROTECT YOU AND YOURS
  • Problem with Simon
    The onwer said yes. Simon said no. It may be with in their power to deny this celebration of freemdom, but that does not make it right. Upon the management contract renewal, I would bet the clause that gives them this control will be removed.

    I for one have called my local mall in St. Pete, Tyrone Square' along with Simon headquarters and have informed them that I will no longer shop at any of their stores.
  • There is another answer
    Folks until this story broke I had never heard of these reciprocal property agreements and I will bet neither had you, so quit blaming the poor person who was arranging this thing. She was just an average person just like you.
    There is however an alternative. Simon Properties also owns Lenox Mall. You know the one that holds a concert and fireworks on the Fourth of July that is telecast locally on the television stations.
    I wonder what their reaction would be to a couple of thousand of normal folks showed up to enjoy the nights festivities along with their Taxed Enough Already parphenlia? Would they dare risk making a scene out of escorting folks out on tv? It is an open event, held every year so there is nothing keeping you from going.
    Lenox Mall is in Buckhead.
  • No problem with Simon
    If Simon is trying to avoid having political protests, regardless of cause, on their property (or property they control), I have no problem with Simon's actions.

    However, if this is not an attempt to keep Simon politically neutral, and the powers that be systematically deny freedom-leaning causes while catering to left-leaning activities, then I will vote with my dollar and organize others to do the same.

    As it stands now, I see no ill-intent from Simon, just sloppiness on the part of the event's organizers.
  • Mail bounced
    I sent a protest, but got a bounced email address when sent as a complaint.

    Figures.
  • Big Democrat Contributor?
    I want to make sure I understand what a couple of you are implying.

    Simon Properties, a wealthy real estate developer who many Democrats would consider the evil rich, is a big time contributor to a party and administration that wants to tax them out of business. Is that what you are implying?
  • Sending comments to Simon
    Looks like their web page has a choice of where your comments get directed. I used Investor Relations.
  • Hey Ivan...
    It may come to it...good thing the right is armed! the best the lefties can do is hurl peace signs and insults.
  • facts- reading the story
    Chuck, your point is a good one but have to realize that libs don't let little things like reading the article or facts get in the way of their agenda and propaganda.
  • I could be wrong, but this feels...
    like we could be heading towards a civil war in the States. The radical Left is starting to get pretty tyranical. The Right isn't helping either. This might get messy.
  • Jake
    You beat me to it! 20,000+ people should simply show up. I would love to see that. The cops could not arrest them all. But, remember everyone, the party's should continue to be peaceful.
  • Gotta read it, bro...
    Yo Jay, it's not Simon's property. The owner gave permission...Siman manges the mall and denied the use to the goupr. And you know damn well if they had denied a liberal group( which we can bet they would not have done...)the cries of censorship and discrimination would have been deafening. Step away from the donut, set the remote down for a minute and pay attention. You might learn something.
  • I don't have a problem with it.
    It looks like to me that Julianne Thompson didn't do the proper event planning. She should have gotten the mall owner's permission way before late last week.
    ...
    So, on this Independence day, we want to thank Simon Property Group, Inc. for standing up for the cause of liberty. Not. SPG has no obligation to stand up for the cause for liberty whatsoever! Neal you are beginning to sound like one of those silly corporation-bashing liberals!
  • Simon is a 'crat
    Simon is a BIG 'crat contributor. I bet they waited till the last minute to cut off the protestors knowing they had no where else to go.
  • Tea Party
    The real purpose of the Tea Parties for me is to slow the increase and hopefully, reduce government spending. The deficit had grown to its largest in history over the past years. The media did not hesitate to bash President Bush for these large deficits. I agreed with the media over the past several years when they said the deficit was too large. What the media often overlooked was fiscally liberal Republicans and Democrats in Congress were writing the budget, which was signed by President Bush.

    Now the fiscally liberal groups have more power in congress and Executive Office. What has happened? A planned deficit that is roughly four times the largest deficit ever seen in the history of the US. Many people are opposed to such outrageous spending on a personal level (charging a lot of money on credit cards is not a wise option for someone who cannot pay those credit cards off quickly).

    The worst part for many opposed to bailouts is that TARP funds are financially rewarding the companies and people who made bad decisions. This is not a wise investment (which is not the purpose of US Government anyways) or the successful businesses would be the ones receiving the money.
  • Simon Property is not obligated...
    It's interesting how Neal is always telling us how a business isn't obligated to do anything for anyone when it comes to making a profit.

    Now when an issue close to his heart is foiled by a private business, he wants to chastise them.

    There are as many Democrats that would abhor a Tea Party on one of Simon Properties as others who support it.

    They're in a lose/lose situation. Whatever their reasons are for not allowing a Tea Party were thought out and well established before the Tea Party protest was planned.

    What does allowing a political protest on one of your properties have to do with making the all important profit?

    C'mom Neal, you can't have it both ways. What if some group planned a pro-global warming/cap and trade party on the property and SP said "no"? I could hear you now tooting their horn and telling us they are under no obligation.
  • sent email to Simon
    I sent the management group this email below from there site: https://www.simon.com/about_simon/contact_spg/default.aspx more folks should do the same.

    “I am very upset you are not standing up for the cause of liberty buy canceling the Tea party for this weekend. Are you an American company?”
  • Good!
    Im glad they canceled!!! First of all, it's their business to do what they want with their property. Second, Why would they want a bunch of Right wing radicals, who SHOULD BE on a terrorist watch list, loitering on their property.. They all need to just pay their taxes and shut the hell up! They will never make a difference. and the WORLD is sick of the right wing crabby Bastards.
  • Is anybody really surprised?
    Simon Property Group has never been a champion for the cause of liberty. They have a stated policy at all of their properties, that permitted, law-abiding citizens, are not allowed to protect themselves by carrying a firearm open or concealed. I understand that they are private property and have the right to make rules and regulations as they see fit, but it is just another example of their despise of liberty.
  • Reason
    That's because Marvin (I think that's his first name) Simon is a HUGE campaign contributor to Obama and his wife worked on the Inauguration Committee.

    Follow the money folks.
  • Atlanta Tea Party
    20,000 people should show up anyway. It IS a protest! Scare the crap out of these assclowns. Actually, 20,000 people with GUNS would really send a message!
  • Tea Party.
    It sounds like someone forgot to include Simon in the loop when this was set up.

    And besides, the last American left Gwinnett Place years ago.
  • Hypocrisy and sour grapes... tasty!
    Yes, I congratulate Simon Properties, and Neal should too.

    After all, it's THEIR private property, and they can do what they like with it. Including tell a bunch of ignorant nutjobs they can't hold a protest on their land. Right?
  • Simon Properties - Atlanta Tea Party
    Perhaps one way to let our feelings be known about this is to not shop the Gwinnett Place Mall; and to let merchants in the mall know.
  • done doing business with Simon?
    Did some research on Simon's webpage, they do have property in my area and I have been to it a few times in the last few months, well… that just ended. It’s amazing how the Fairtax would help their business, but I guess Simon feels their lobbyist can do a better job.
    Of course I’ll inform Simon why I’ll no longer support their business and I hope others will do the same.
    (unless things change and the event goes on)
  • Being Pro-Active is called for,,,,,DO SOMETHING!!!
    Here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to copy Neal's info-article about the SIMON incident and hand deliver copies to all of the tenants in the mall that is nearest to me. I am also going to mail (e-mail or snail) to the anchor companies of that same mall. Do something, even if it's wrong, (i.e. Hugo, Copy, t-shirt, Red, Big, others). Don't take it personal guys, most of right and/or wrong is subjective anyway. I just believe that it's better to be "RIGHT" than left. I thank you for your time and indulgence.
  • Here's a list of Simon owned malls to boycott
    If you want to boycott Simon owned malls you can find if there are any in your are from the list at http://jacklewis.net/weblog/archives/2009/06/melvin_simon_ce.php.
  • Simon says "No" to freedom.
    This is the same Simon that declares all of its properties to be "Gun-Free, Victim Zones".
  • Say what?
    It's not like they'd be losing business...been to Gwinnett Mall lately? The fact is, they'd probably have parking lots filled like they haven't in ten years or more. Wonder who they made campaign contributions to last year? Oh,did anyone notice Simon declared bankruptcy not too long ago? I think they're ripe for a government takeover. Obama Place at Gwinnett...has a ring to it.
  • There will be an active push...
    to stop protests and Tea Parties. You can mark my words. The NWO is is preparing for July 4th. They know there will be protests. There will be groups out there trying to stop free speech. They will mock and harrass. America needs to rise up and stand up to these clowns who claim they stand for freedom. They are working hard to remove as many freedoms as possible. Cap and trade is going through without a hitch and we are just letting it happen. They will take every last dime from us this Summer. This will be the Summer of Hell.
  • SPG Contact
    Below is the direct link to contact them and let them know what you think.

    https://www.simon.com/about_simon/contact_spg/default.aspx
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