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AND THEN THERE'S NORTH KOREA

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Neal Boortz
@ June 1, 2009 8:46 AM
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Clearly, our concerted effort to crack down on North Korea has done wonders ... the Gargoyle launched a second nuclear test, which is said to improve North Korea's ability to make a more compact nuclear bomb. Then it proceeded to launch several short-range missiles. The test is, again, in violation of a UN Security Council resolution. After the UN sent its stern letter to North Korea back in April, the Gargoyle demanded an apology from the Security Council. I wonder what he is going to want this time ... a dozen roses?

What is clear is that love letters from the United Nations isn't going to do a darn thing to stop the Gargoyle launching more missiles or conducting more nuclear tests.



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  • hey Dufus - thats really been working well for 60 years?!?!?
    To: The Great but Unacknowledged Wisdom of Doing Nothing

    here is a sample of a article by arthur at the Once Upon A Time.... blog.
    you can read the whole thing here...
    http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2009/05/great-but-unacknowledged-wisdom-of.html

    "Here, then, is the simple policy solution to the "problem" of North Korea for the U.S. president: do nothing. It's also known as masterly inactivity. In due course, the nature of the North Korean regime will change, whether that change is peaceful or violent. It will probably change a lot more quickly if North Korea's economy has more wealth and wider links with the outside world, rather than being further isolated by demonization and sanctions on top of the constraints imposed by its own government. It will also help if Kim's attempts to seek nationalist legitimacy by claiming an external threat aren't regularly demonstrated true by Washington. In the meantime, North Korea isn't going to attack anybody so long as Kim knows that the result would be his own destruction."

    That's strategy is really working out well isn't it?. Ask 3 generations of Koreans who have seen their relatives since the 50's how its going? Time to make China an ultimatum over Korea and stop this charade. How much money has been wasted by the US and Korea just treading water waiting for the Norks to "come around"? Same goes for the Chicoms, but at least market forces are having an effect there now.
    Enough is enough, that was the lesson of Iraq, 15 years of being slapped in the face by those pissants and waitng for the UN to take action, phluhease! Enough is enough. Take some real action with sanctions and necessary means against NKorea and Iran or just cower and let them develop the bomb and the missiles to deliver the payload? Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that equation..... Iran and NKorea have figured it out in case you didn't notice....
  • to LENT VISOR
    Yes the A-bombs were necessary.
    yes Japan did have peace-feelers in Nuetral Switzerland discussing keeping the Emperor in power. However the fanatics still had more power and had already decided to fight to the death with anyone civilan or military, from toddlers walking to old farts with canes. If you can walk, you can fight. It was AFTER the bombs were dropped that the Emperor finally broke his silence and said enough was enough, that this is over. Even then in the final hours before his surrender recording was played to his people, die-hards tried to break into the impereal palace and overthrow the Emperor to keep fighting. Thankfully the coup attempt failed and peace was at hand. Besides as I stated before, the bomb droppings showed the rest of the world the true power of the bomb and that fear alone kept future Cold Warriors on both sides from pushing the proverbial button. Dropping the bombs not only saved the Japanese race, million of American soldiers, but also the world the next 60+ years.
  • North Korea & the Bomb
    Folks, it's time for a dose of realism here. An atomic bomb isn't all that hard to build. If you can get your hands on the fissile material, any good physics major can work out the technical details & any decent machine shop can do the actual construction.

    This is a genii that is not going to stay in the bottle. More and more countries are going to get nukes. It is not going to help things to have people running around in a panic. We need to get used to the idea & adapt our foreign policy to this reality.

    We have been at war with North Korea since the 1950's. For Damned near 60 years we have had troops stationed on their borders. Does it really surprise anyone that they would want nukes? Hell, it surprises me that it took them this long to build them.

    Outside of what is happening in DC, the communist threat is over. South Korea is the 4th largest economy in the world. They can take care of themselves. And if they can't, that's none of our business.

    It is well past time that the United States brings our troops home (from all over the world) and minds it's own business.
  • Sorry, but your "facts" are 100% wrong
    Actually, elements of the Japanese military was prepared to continue the war even AFTER the bombs were dropped and even attempted a coup to prevent the surrender.

    We had just suffered large numbers of casualties taking Iwo Jima & Okinawa. We had seen Okinawian civilians throw themselves over a cliff to avoid having to live under US occupation. At the time, everything pointed to a much worse situation when we invaded Japan proper. Truman's job was to prevent the loss of AMERICAN lives. He made the right decision -- he ended the war without Americans being killed in an invasion.
  • Any excuse to fold?
    Nothing we ever did excuses the mad mullahs from waging war against us, as if keeping them from falling to the communists didn’t save millions of Iranians in itself. Not only that, but the dp’s idea of justice and progress turned Iran over from a US friendly monarch that killed or imprisoned thousands of his people for political reasons, while trying(and doing a fair job) to modernize his country, to a US hostile religious oligarchy that kills and imprisons millions of it’s own people for political reasons. It’s not what I call progress when most of the country crumbles back into the 19th century, yet exports terrorism worldwide and builds nukes and ICBMs. I’ll take the GOP’s “unintended consequences” over the dp’s any day. Like with the Cold War, it’s pretty obvious who was right and who was wrong there, and it doesn’t change the fact that they are waging war against us today, or what we should do about it either.

    It’s just as obvious that the Saudis, who we pledged to defend, invited us into their country to defend it against saddam, and obl should have found a better way to express his displeasure than killing Americans (and that goes for the mad mullahs too). It’s easy to see that allowing private citizens, or groups, to determine their national policy over their government (much less our policy), by threat or act of terrorism, is stupid, and only encourages terrorism. It’s just as stupid to think people like obl, who derive all of their power and fame from killing Americans and our allies, will ever lack a pretense to kill Americans and our allies.

    The Japanese didn’t surrender until after the second bomb was dropped, and almost didn’t then. They wouldn’t surrender to stalin any more than to us until they were faced with annihilation without significant cost to us. Stalin tried to divide japan, his hacks showed up in Japan to arrange it, but MacArthur put his foot down and refused to allow Russian troops on the main islands in defiance of Truman.
  • you guys are missing key questions...
    Let me repeat my key questions;

    1.If N.Korea (or Iran for that matter)had troops stationed at the Mexican/American border would Americans be happy about it?

    2.Where does America get the authority to police N.Korea (or any country for that matter)and tell it how many nukes it can or can't have?

    3.If you were the leader of a nation and the only country that has EVER used nukes to actually kill people was asking you to stop trying to acquire nukes, then would you trust them?


    America needs to learn from its blowback based foreign policy. All it does is ensure that America will create enemies to fight so that the govt can sell fear to people in order to justify expanding govt programs of welfare both foreign and domestic. People WAKE UP...lets get back to some traditioanl conservatism,let's start protect America rather than everywhere else.And let's stop this make believe dream world nonsense where we actually believe America has the money (despite crippling trillion dollar debt) to play world police. We are being bamboozled strictly for the sake of govt growth...and sadly Neal is one of the people drinking the Kool-aid.

    Always remember it was a Republican and former military man(Eisenhower) who warned us of the military industrial complex.
  • The atomic bombings of Japan were unncessary
    The bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were completely unnecessary. The evidence is overwhelming that the Japanese were already preparing to surrender. The only thing really holding them back was that they wanted to save face by keeping their emperor. We let them do this anyway, after the bombings.

    The surrender was also preceded as much by the Soviet declaration of war as the atomic bombings.

    Many of the military leaders of the time have said the bombing was unnecessary, including Nimitz and Eisenhower.
  • cowboy up
    you said: "The mad mullahs have waged open and covert war against the USA and Israel since they took over Iran (and invaded the US embassy, which is US soil). In the last two years most US casualties in Iraq, and some in Afghanistan were due to weapons supplied by Iran. When someone is killing your people you need no higher authority to kill them back until they meet your conditions for peace."

    you need go back in time a few years.

    In 1951 Dr. Mohammed Mossadegh was elected prime minister. As prime minister, Mossadegh became enormously popular in Iran after he nationalized Iran's oil reserves. In response, Britain embargoed Iranian oil and, amidst Cold War fears, invited the United States to join in a plot to depose Mossadegh, and in 1953 President Dwight D. Eisenhower authorized Operation Ajax. The operation was successful, and Mossadegh was arrested on 19 August 1953. After Operation Ajax, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi's rule became increasingly autocratic. With American support, the Shah was able to rapidly modernize Iranian infrastructure, but he simultaneously crushed all forms of political opposition with his intelligence agency, SAVAK. Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini was the peoples answer to the Shah.
    this is the Law of Unintended Consequences. its all our own fault. we needed someone to drive the russian's out of afghanistan, who did we get, and give them power? omsama bin laden. Law of Unintended Consequences strikes at us again.

    go ahead and preach you wars against the mad mullahs. just be sure that the Law of Unintended Consequences will come at us once again
  • Our authority over the norks and the mad mullahs.
    We have been at war with North Korea since 1950, with an armistice since 1953. Last Wednesday North Korea withdrew from the armistice and declared, "The Korean peninsula will go back to a state of war." We need nobody’s authority to fight a declared war against us, enforce an armistice, or a cease-fire agreement (like in Iraq).

    The mad mullahs have waged open and covert war against the USA and Israel since they took over Iran (and invaded the US embassy, which is US soil). In the last two years most US casualties in Iraq, and some in Afghanistan were due to weapons supplied by Iran. When someone is killing your people you need no higher authority to kill them back until they meet your conditions for peace.

    The only serious question is how many Americans are we going to let them kill before we fight back, and are we stupid enough to allow their nuke programs to continue?

    Both will spread nukes and missile technology to anybody that hates us and can afford them. The nukes that hit us and Israel won't come from the PRK or Iran, they will come across our Southern border or off our coast, and across the Lebanese border in Israel's case.

    The mess the mad mullah's make (I think the ROKs will clobber the norks, nukes or no, if they are dumb enough to try) if we take them down now, while they are still conventional, will make what we've seen so far in the GWOT look like a picnic (and will hit here), but it will be nothing like the mess, horror, and d*mnation of history and the survivors if we wait until the nukes start popping to fight back. Nobody's dumb enough to want war with a murderously fanatical government ruling three times the population of Iraq, but it's always been their choice, and they've chose war all along.

    I won't apologize for my low tolerance for dead Americans before we start killing them back, mostly because that's the only surefire way to discourage killing Americans.

    Apparently the chicoms have decided a nuclear Japan isn't a problem for them, none of the nukes will come their way and are content to sit back and watch. That's pretty risky for their nature, but it doesn't put it out of the question.
  • To Alabamastan
    During the deciding process of using the bomb, Scientists building the bomb who were in favor of using it against Germany b/c of Hitler, suddenly changed their minds when Germany Surrendered in May of 45. They wanted a "peaceful" demonstration over a noninhabited area, and then a warning to Japan. However, it was pointed out by the Pentagon and the what is now called the Joint Chiefs of Staff that Japan was fanatic and would have fought to the death. Had we demonstrated the bomb in a "peaceful" manner, the Japanese military would have then focused evrything they had in bringing down the bomber carying such bombs. We handled the bomb usage the correct way in 1945. Even the surviving Japanese military officers, including Commander Genda (the designer of the Pearl Harbor attack) and Commander Fuchida, (pilot who lead the attack at Pearl) said we did the right thing to end the war. Have a good day!
  • don't think it would have worked
    Alabamastan, I don't think that would have worked. If I remember correctly there were 3 or 4 days between Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Maybe it simply wasn't, but I would think that in 3 or 4 days they would have a feel for the destructive power...and yet they still did not stop. Infact I believe it took another 5 or 6 days after Nagasaki for them to finally surrender. They were a very determined enemy...
  • What if...
    I agree that using a nuclear bomd ended WWII and saved many American lives. One thing I've always wondered though: Could the awesome power not have been demonstrated on a less populated area? Some would have died, the destructive power would have beeen undeniable. And then Truman could have said, "72 hours, Tokyo gets the next one. Your move."

    Just wondering.
  • North Korea
    This is what happens when you turn your foreign policy decisions over to the UN. Contrast this with George Washington's view of handling foreign nations. You can read more about this at http://bringbackamerica.org/2009/05/31/weakening-the-country/
  • The Great but Unacknowledged Wisdom of Doing Nothing
    here is a sample of a article by arthur at the Once Upon A Time.... blog.
    you can read the whole thing here...
    http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2009/05/great-but-unacknowledged-wisdom-of.html

    "Here, then, is the simple policy solution to the "problem" of North Korea for the U.S. president: do nothing. It's also known as masterly inactivity. In due course, the nature of the North Korean regime will change, whether that change is peaceful or violent. It will probably change a lot more quickly if North Korea's economy has more wealth and wider links with the outside world, rather than being further isolated by demonization and sanctions on top of the constraints imposed by its own government. It will also help if Kim's attempts to seek nationalist legitimacy by claiming an external threat aren't regularly demonstrated true by Washington. In the meantime, North Korea isn't going to attack anybody so long as Kim knows that the result would be his own destruction."
  • cliff
    the same thing we did to russia. nothing
  • TO RED LEADER
    1. The use of A-bombs against Japan in 1945 ENDED WWII and saved a million American lives and the Japanese race who would have fought to the death had we invaded Japan in late 1945 or 1946.
    2. Can you imagine the political uproar had We invaded Japan, lost a million soldiers and Truman would have later gone public saying it was not necessary b/c we had a big bomb that would have won the war?
    3. Had we invaded Japan the Soviet Union would have too and we would have had a split Japan just like Germany, Viet Nam, and Korea? How did a split Viet Nam work out for you? How is a split Korea working now?
    4. As tough as it was for Truman in 1945, it showed the world the power of nuclear weapons. And because of such power, the Cold War went nearly 50 years without the use of another nuclear weapon by the Soviets, the US or anyone's allies. Even India & Pakistan have not pushed that button yet. Like it or not Peace through deterance and Mutually assured destruction did its job during the Cold War.
    5. On a tactical note, had the US lost a million men invading Japan, also lost would have been their baby boomer children. We would have been a weaker nation due to cost of lives and treasure and Stalin would have been bolder after WWII in Europe and we probably would have had to use nukes to keep him out of Western Europe and by then the entire world would have suffered from a nuclear exchange.
    No one wants a war, but I will go to my grave beliving using those bombs to end WWII was the right thing to do and it saved the world another 60+ years from being used elswhere. However sadly it wont matter to the radical muslims or North Korea if they choose to use nuclear weapons against someone in the future.
  • I'm sooooooo confused....
    I thought the election of Barry Hussein would make the whole world love us? Just since OBozo was elected we've had Iran fire missiles, N Korea test nuclear bombs, Pakistan in disarray, etc. Maybe Hussein will solve everything later this week when he talks to the Muslim world.

    In summary, under the evil George Bush, the world hated us. Now, under the dolt Social Worker, the world not only still hates us, but even worse, has ZERO respect and fear of us.
  • Holy crap!
    Matt: In all those cases it was North Korea that first did not follow through on it's promises.

    Doctor: The big problem is not that they or the Iranians have a bomb or two now. It's that in 20 years they could have hundreds. Then what will happen?

    Red: I wish China would take care of this problem. They are the enabler. If they want to be a superpower this is the way to show that they deserve the status.
  • Isn't it interesting...
    that this is all going on while the US and world economies are on the brink of collapse and Israel is threatening to attack Iran on a daily basis?
  • US role?
    First, South Korea shouldn't have joined the Proliferation Security Initiative. They won't be much benefit, but it is certainly a provocation.

    Second, it's time the US stop promising things to NK if we aren't going to keep these promises. Clinton promised to build two light-water reactors in NK if they suspended their nuclear weapons program, which they did temporarily. Where are those reactors.

    Later, the Bush administration promised 600,000 tons of energy aid. NK disabled their Yongbyon reactor, but only got 400,000 aid in return.
  • let's have another war!
    let's us start this at the same day we go to war against iran. of course we'll have to talk the people into it. but that's not hard to do. they'll believe anything we say. and we've got control of the tv stations, so they haven't got any news that we haven't got control over. and if anybody tells the truth out there, we'll call them conspiracy nutcases.
    its so funny how the sheeple fall for our lies...
  • Well....first off...
    Where does it say that America has jurisdiction over N.Korea? Where does America get the authority to police N.Korea (or any country for that matter)and tell it how many nukes it can or can't have. Boortz (and readers)if you were the leader of a nation and the only country that has EVER used nukes to actually kill people(right next door to you in fact) was asking you to stop trying to acquire nukes, then would you trust them? If your neighbors had nukes and you didn't, would you trust them?If N.Korea had troops stationed at the Mexican border would Americans be happy about it? Let's peek through the neo-con veil of anti-logic to the plain sense pragmatism of tradtional conservatism for just a bit this morning Neal. Again China and its new beast of an economy doesn't want N.Korea acting up and Japan is the historic enemy of Korea let Asia handle this one, if indeed we are conservatives and believe in the concept of personal responsibility. Besides America is going bankrupt and does not have the cash to try and police planet earth with the military adventurism. If N.Korea launches anything towards the U.S, shoot it down and continue on our way. Put pressure on the surrounding Asian countries to handle N.Korea and protect their economies in the process. No need to start another pointless counter productive war.
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