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OBAMA'S HEALTHCARE PLAN IS EXPENSIVE? YA DON'T SAY ...

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Neal Boortz
@ May 11, 2009 8:23 AM
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This shouldn't come as a shock to you. Barack Obama and the Democrats are insistent on making you more dependent on the government. Their current plan on how to make this happen is to convince you that you need the government to provide you healthcare. But reality is starting to set in and guess what? Obama's grand plans are going to be a LOT more expensive than originally anticipated. The original estimate from the Obama administration was $634 billion, but that may pay for only half the cost. We are now talking an upfront tab of up to $1.5 trillion over a 10 year period.

As of right now, the Obama administration is sticking with its figure of $634 billion. What they've realized is that they didn't raise enough taxes to pay for it. They need more tax dollars. Obama's original spending cuts will only actually save about $309 billion and tax increases will only raise about $267 billion. That's leaves a gap of about $60 billion that the administration has to take from your wallet at the point of a gun.

Today the administration will reveal the details of plan B ... a revamp of its tax objectives in order to make-up the difference for this healthcare scam.

We know that Obama will propose $60 billion in new tax increases over 10 years on wealthy estates, businesses and others. So the evil rich, the corporations and business owners will shoulder the burden of payment in order to fund the dreams and schemes of Barack Obama's great government expansion and dependency. More specifically, Obama would tighten estate-tax rules that would give taxpayers less flexibility to minimize liabilities on inherited goods. Another part of the plan would require businesses that make payments to corporations to report these payments to the IRS. The goal is to make sure that evil corporations are reporting all their taxable income.

Another way Obama may try to raise extra cash to pay for this plan is to tax health insurance benefits provided by private employers. This may sound familiar to you ... it was John McCain's plan during the presidential campaign. If health insurance was taxed as regular income, the government could potentially collect another $250 billion each year.

Another way to get more money to pay for this scheme is to do it the Hillary Clinton way: require that every US citizen has medical insurance. Or to put it another way ... make it illegal to be without health insurance.



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What others are saying

  • RFID Chip??
    What are some of you paranoid nuts prattling on about in regard to an RFID Chip?

    As far as the dollar devaluing, I think it's being done on purpose - and for good cause. China, for one is holding nearly $2 trillion USD in cash that they have been accumulating for years. They are manipulating the Yuan so it is around 30-40% less than its actual value.

    A cheaper dollar means US made goods are cheaper abroad. It also means foreign goods are more costly here. It's a boon to domestic manufacturers. It's why EADS Airbus is looking to build an aircfraft assembly plant in AL. It's cheaper to build them here now with the Euro stronger than the dollar.

    The devaluing is also a poke back to the Chinese, because it devalues the considerable holdings in dollars.

    There's quite the game of chess that's being played here. Before now, nobody was doing much about it...
  • The Military
    Jeff, yes the government does seem to run the military very well indeed and I agree with that....but even the military cannot control it's expenses even close to reasonably.
  • Steve
    I just don't see the problem.

    Most of the people in the U.S. who don't have health insurance don't WANT it. They're young, healthy, and consider it a waste of money. They're rather buy iPhones and the latest XBox games.

    Of the remaining uninsured folks, the poor are already covered by Medicaid.

    So what's the problem?

    Okay, it would be nice if health insurance was cheaper. But it would be nice if EVERYTHING was cheaper. My salary is a pittance compared to most of the working folks here, I'd bet -- yet I afford my health insurance just fine. And was darned glad to have it when I got cancer 2 years ago!

    So-called 'universal' healthcare is nothing more than free healthcare for the RICH! Why should I pay for healthcare for Bill Gates or Steven Spielberg or any other person who can afford to pay for their own???
  • HIV and Hepatitis infections
    Recently it was reported that several veterans receiving colonoscopies at a VA hospital were infected with HIV and hepatitist due to contaminated equipment. Lazy Federal employees not doing their job no doubt. That's socialized medicine folks. Get ready. You get what you pay for.
  • They still aren't even close to what this boondoggle will end up costing.
    We spend around 17% ($2.4 trillion) of our $ 14.2 trillion GDP on our partially socialized health care. Even after they cut the 'unnecessary’ fields and limit who and when they give medicines and treatment, they will still end up paying more overall because private IS more efficient. They will end up spending 8 to 10 times what they claim(until they go broke), and unless you are rich or connected with the dp, you’ll be jealous of your pet’s health care.

    My plan is simple, get the federal government as far out of health care as possible (There are places, like disease control, where the fed should have their noses), let people live how they want, and pay the cost for it themselves. Any plan where the federal government provides health care is a plan to end freedom. People who don’t like freedom and the self-responsibility that comes with it can migrate to countries that aren’t free. Unlike free countries, there are plenty of those to choose from.

    I doubt Craig has gone 20 years sitting at home without spending even $20 on entertainment. Students at the nearest community college will clean teeth for $10 to $20.
  • @copy
    Wrong again. Once everyone is covered, everyone will go for the slightest problem which increases the cost for everyone else.
    When people are under-insured or uninsured, they tend to avoid the hospital.
    For instance. I am uninsured. Yesterday I had chemical burn on my hands. I was in quite a bit of pain for most of the day. If I had been insured I may have gone to the ER to get some pain meds. Instead I soaked my hands in Milk and Aloe and saved some time and money for everyone.
    When people know that a product or service will cost nothing or next to nothing, they will take advantage of it. It is pretty basic, but I know the mind of a liberal cannot understand such basics.
  • $$$ for Health Care
    I have an excellent healthcare plan...if you cant afford it then you don't get it. If you would rather smoke, drink, do drugs, overeat, and/or talk on a cellphone and watch a big screen tv than pay for health insurance then go right ahead...but please don't complain when you get sick. If you can't accept that saving your life or the life of one of your loved ones may put you in debt then don't go to the doctor.
  • simple questions
    Just wondering, will the elected officials go to the same facilities as people on welfare? Or will they have their “red square” doctors that the common people can’t go to?

    I'll donate $20.00 to help send TruthSeeker, Maureen, and Copyleft to England, I lived there for 2 years and in Germany for 3 and Denmark for 6 months.
    Universal health care… watch out for what you wish for, you just might get it, I’ve seen it first hand, NO THANK YOU!!! for those of you who want it, I don't want to hear you complain when you have to wait 6 months to see a doctor, but keep reminding yourself... "it's FREE!!!"
    One last question, if someone was in extreme pain and put on a waiting list, would that constitute torture? (Seen it in England, 6 weeks to be seen, just given pain killers until then) Okay …I know the answer, it would be NO if democrats are in charge, and a Hell YES if Republicans are in charge.
  • Universal Healthcare
    does everyone drive the same kind of car? does everyone live in the same kind of house? does everyone dress the same? eat the same things? go to the same schools? No. Why then do we feel the need for everyone to have the same healthcare?
    Twistedsaint...I agree with the exception of our military which I believe is the only thing the government does right.
  • To TruthSeeker, Maureen, and Copyleft
    Take a trip to England and get an eyeful of universal health care. They literally pack hospital beds close enough together that it is tough for the doctors to squeeze in next to you to treat you. People are crying out loud constantly because of the pain they suffer and because of the shortage of people to give them care. Universal health care is an absolute pipedream. It is easily the worst idea in the history of medicine. There is already a shortage of medical professionals under the current system. There are decining numbers of doctors leaving med school in this country. Tell me why you think universal healthcare is a good idea. This is a power grab plain and simple. RFID chips are the goal. Do not fool yourselves into thinking that our politicians that are pushing this healthcare plan are doing so to actually help Americans.
  • Government is the answer?
    Copyleft and all you libs: The US government is the most incompetent, inefficient, self-serving, corrupt organization in the country.....and you want them to be in charge of things like healthcare?

    They have never been succesful really at anything, and have failed to ever run anything at a profit...which is NEEDED to continue operations indefinitely.

    It doesn't even matter if you are right in that something needs to be done about healthcare, the economy, etc...which you aren't....but in any case government is NOT the solution, just the biggest part of the problem.

    How can you not see this? The evidence is everywhere for God sakes!!!!
  • Boortz Afraid Again
    Good for Maureen and Copyleft for pointing out what Boortz leaves out.

    If Boortz had any guts, he'd have a guest on that supports universal health care, so they could have an actual discussion/debate and his listeners would learn something.

    But Boortz isn't interested in actually informing his listeners, and can't win an argument on a level playing field, so it will never happen.
  • I'll take it
    I agree with Neal that it's not the role of government to provide healthcare. But for the past 20 years, I have not had any. Not a doctor visit, hospital test, I haven't even been able to have my teeth cleaned. I've tried and tried and tried to make something of my life and career so I could be able to afford these things, but I just haven't made it. Now I am feeling old and falling apart, and I need care. I don't care anymore how I get it, the government is running this country into the ground anyway and all for all the talk put out by these radio show hosts to millions and millions of listeners every single day, nothing ever improves. So give me government healthcare and let me at least have a chance at getting well.
  • They don't care how much it costs...
    Especially since soon American dollars won't be worth the paper it is printed on. They will throw every dime they have into getting univeral healthcare cause the goal is to get RFID chips in every man woman and child. It is about control not about healing the sick. Hell the chip allows them to decide who they should let die. It was never about helping anyone except for the ruling class.
  • You're so right Jeff
    Medicare and Medicaid regulations have increased the cost of healthcare. The administrative costs have soared under these programs. Not to mention the laws that require ERs to treat an uninsured person who comes in with the sniffles. It doesn't get more expensive than that. The government never reduces the cost of anything. It just redistributes the burden of the cost.
  • $$$ for Health Care
    Quit whining and come up with a plan.

    You knew this was an issue when Shrillary advanced her plan, and you knew it was going to be decisive in the 2008 election. Yet instead of coming up with a better (meaning cheaper, simpler, more inclusive) plan, you chose to gripe instead.

    The market can deliver health care cheaper and better? Prove it. Obama's plans haven't even been submitted to Congress yet. Come up with a better plan. Put up or shut up.
  • It won't matter how expensive it is...
    The cost could be 100 trillion dollars and it would still make sense to the powers that be to create this universal health care. It is all about getting that RFID chip in you. It is THAT important to them. They will tell you that under this new system you need the chip to get health care. They will tell you that you can avoid being sick because the chip will warn the hospital that you are ill. This chip might sound good to some, but it will be used to track your every move. If they turn your chip off you don't exist anymore. You will not be able to purchase anything and you will invalid in the new system. This is the catch. Without a chip you are no one. Is that the kind of system you want to be in? Just wait until you get your DNA sequenced under this new health care system. They will know every genetic disease you carry and technically since they control who gets healthcre and who doesn't they can deny you if your care will be too much of a burden on their system. We are about to enter a brand new era of discriminitory practices and the best part is that there is no one we can trust to protect us from such practices. Isn't government health care awesome?!?!?!
  • Score another for copyleft
    You amaze me with your illogical/irrational thinking but you also scare me because there are alot of you out there. BTW...The government is one of the main reasons the healthcare system is overpriced...medicare and medicaid reimburse less on the dollar than the uninsured...and you want to put them in charge of all of it? dumb dumb dumb. you are correct about one thing though...the Free Market has spoken and they have provided us with the finest healthcare on this planet. It isn't government that invents new drugs, it isn't government that invents new diagnostic machines, it isn't government that pushes people to be the best they can so they can get top dollar for their knowledge and abilities.
  • insurance companies
    i wonder if anybody's compared the taxes for obama's Healthcare Plan than the insurance payment already paid by the american worker.

    the insurance companies have a lot of money tied in lobbyists to defeat this health plan
  • healthcare
    Copy as usual leaves out much of the truth. Most of an individual’s healthcare costs are in the LAST 18 months of life (90% of us). With the graying of America this will be a boom in end of life expenses leading to British style limits on services (i.e. rationing). And we as Americans will feel that we have paid into the system and are due unlimited benefits, and will be limited in our ability to SUE the government to have our needs met, as we can now sue insurance companies for care. Medicare & Medicaid in the current form barely covers or does not cover the cost of services. This cost is shifted to those who have insurance hence their increase every year. The surest way to control cost is to put the patient in control of their spending, questioning the bill and services rendered (ala HSA) instead of thinking someone else (3rd party) should pay for their care.

    Some of the administration’s proposed changes for savings are a joke. Digital medical records on the surface sounds nice, but several physicians I know have dropped their implementation due to several factors:
    1. Cost: The system is expensive to set up, requires massive customization. One office had to ADD a full Time IT employee to set up, Modify, Update, backup, protect, and repair the system.
    2. Liability: The corporate council had his undies in a bunch over fears of suit caused by someone hacking into the system to retrieve patient data since you now have multiple open portals to access the data (links to hospitals, other doctor’s offices, and in house wireless for use of laptops in exam room). The virus could have started elsewhere and be transmitted to you, but you are liable. If someone wants to steal paper documents it requires work, not just a key drive!
    3. Fear: That the government will change the requirements as often as we change underwear while they stumble around to find a workable system, causing additional uncompensated expenses (see #1&2 above). And if you not toe the line we will cut your reimbursements even more than planned.
    While I am not saying there are no problems with our healthcare system. Be very careful of what you wish for because the government answer may not be the panacea that you think you wanted. Just wait until you want to make a check up for your annual physical and it’s a year from the date of your call.
  • Elective Care
    @Canadian Health Care

    Try getting elective care (like knee correction) in Canada. I am on a 21 month waiting list now. Can I walk? sort of... I was expecting care to be similar to the US, the first thing I did after my experiences with the Canadian system is buy US insurance.

    Of course that's what people who have money in Canada do. You hear regularly about politicians and others crossing the border on medical vacations. Then again, isn't crappy health care with many electing for private care a necessity for state run health care to work?



    re: tort reform you are 100% right.
  • Mandatory HC
    It wouldn't surprise me to see the topic of mandatory Healthcare discussed among Democrats. However, my biggest concern is whether or not they will decide to inforce it, or rather, selectively inforce it ala illegal immigration. Of course, phase 2 will be to cover all the illegals, right Janet?

    I sincerely hope that Obama and his Change Staff can recognize that we cannot address health care via the government so that cost goes down AND quality of care goes up AND everyone is covered. Can't have it all. Which will he choose (like I really have to ask)?
  • Require reporting on corporate payments?
    So I'd have to start sending 1099's to all our vendors? Dang, just make my job harder will you???? Jerk
  • Canadian Health Care
    Little known facts on Canadian Healthcare:
    1 Canada does not have a pre-existing clause.
    2 Although there are periods of waits, the non-insured time in the US never ends.
    3 The cut on paychecks here in the US for taxes and healthcare insurance (not counting treatment or medicine,just premiums) is greater than the cut of taxes in Canada which has a higher level, but health care is already provided.
    4 Doctors in Canada run private practices and profits are still made by the drug companies.
    5 The waiting time for treatment in the US is long because some clerk with no medical knowledge in a call center in India is deciding what treatment a person needs or does not need. A docter in Canada never has to argue to get someone treatment.
  • Half the story, as usual
    I notice that Neal left out a key subtraction: the absurdly inflated costs we've been paying for emergency care for all those people who couldn't afford REGULAR health insurance.

    With proper coverage, those out-of-control, last-minute healthcare costs will decline substantially, representing a HUGE savings.

    But hey, why do the sensible and cost-effective thing when we can continue on with our broken, limping, and way too expensive system as-is? The Free Market has spoken, after all! (chuckle)
  • constitution...
    Can anybody on here check through the constitution and find one single mention of the world "Healthcare". Hey Copyleft maybe you can help us look. Where does it say "healthcare" in the constitution? While we're at it lets look for the words; nation building,education, Israel and gun control.
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