Compaired to what terrorists do to our captured / missing soldiers waterboarding is a ticklefest. How quickly you forget about Nick Berg, Daniel Pearl, Staff Sergeant Maupin, the thousands at the World Trade Center and others who have suffered at the hands of theses terrorists. These terrorists are ready and willing to annihilate themselves in order to kill an American or infedel. Look at it from a Soldiers point of view. If waterboarding works to get information then let it be.

Reading all the comments on about how "waterboarding is bad" just reinforces my opinion that there are too many people trying to make "ethical" decisions from the comfort of their lazy boy. I agree with Former Army Officer..."If you don't want to waterboard, then get the hell out of the way and let me do it."

Great points. Couldn't have said it better myself.

You're blistering today, aren't you, Club?

I'm not sure how my adopting an on-line name effects your ability to take my comments seriously, unless your real name is Club-a-Liberal, in which case I begin to understand your anger.

And as a nation, keeping the moral high ground is important. Torture does not produce accurate information. What it produces is confessions to knowledge that the person being tortured doesn't have. In other words, torture is a great way to get someone to admit to a connection between Saddam Husein and Al Qaida when none existed. It was used in just this way and it was at the direction of Cheney. Torture info = propaganda. Torture info = truth? not so much.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/66622.html
And by the way, my real name is Scott if you'd rather use that.

Alabamastan so you want respect, like the libs have respected Bush for the last 8 years? I saw a great bumper sticker the other day.

I'll respect your President, the way you respected mine.

Jeff is correct. If Obama never wanted these photos out he could classify them as being top secret citing that they are a threat to national security. He could easily do this. I suspect that he wants them to come out through the Freedom of Information Act. If the administration does not classify these images they will absolutely lose the court battle with the ACLU. I am thinking this is what he wants. He wants there to be a "democratic process" to the release of the photos. The ACLU will be praised for fighting the Federal Government and exposing their lies. Obama will get a slap on the wrist for trying to protect National Security and the Bush administration could be dragged through a horrible legal proceding. I think this is why Cheney and company came out so quickly when the Obama administration said it would release pictures and bring up administration officials on charges. This is a big deal. Forget your party lines and defend the law. The truth is always better than a lie.

Here we go, from top to bottom:

(1) Alabamastan - >>>>"I find it difficult to take anyone's comments seriously when they use words like "Obozo," "Dumbocrats," and "Musloons." Such silliness reveals a great lack of maturity.<<<<< ANS: Yes, as opposed to the serious debate offered by someone named "Alabamastan"!

(2) Chickenbone Bill - (a) "How many unwanted babies have you adopted?" ANS: see my other post to this type of irrelevant question. Because I don't want unborn unwanted babies murdered, I now have to adopt them?? There are a lot of unwanted foreclosed homes out there not that I don't like, do i need to get a mortgage and assume all those loans to be allowed to have an opinion against irresponsible behavior? (b) "Why can't a fetus register with Social Security, and be recogonized with it's own Social Security number?" ANS. That again is irrelevant as it is subject to politics. Why can a murderer be charged with a double murder when he kills a preganant woman? (c) "If conception is when life begins, who determines the moment of conception?" ANS: We have 6.7B people living on earth, and I think 6B have died over the years. Of these nearly 13B people that have lived on our planet, can you name one single person that bypassed the stage of conception?

(3) jacob - yes, more stuff happens in frats then to what happened to these throatcutters you love so much. Deaths from frat hazings are seen all too often. How many throatcutters have died at the hands of that evil club-med known as Gitmo?

I dunno guys this is starting to rustle feathers in the Pentagon...

http://www.reuters.com/article/featuredCrisis/idUSN28341544

I'm not worried about Bush voters. I'm worried about the soldiers still overseas and inciting another 9/11.

Ivan I hope you are wrong, you've been right about alot but please not this! Rex, this one difference wouldn't make him an idiot, but different.

Jacob, that is what this is, a discussion of different sides of an issue. And we all manage to do it without the childish asides ala Copy!!

This is all I am going to post about this for now...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090528/wl_mideast_afp/usiraqrightsmilitaryunrest

Of course there is more on this out there. This one is clean enough to post here.

I am open to any name calling you may have for me. I would do exactly the same to anyone else making this sort of claim about our troops. Unfortunately the evidence will start leaking out. Some of it is already leaking out. I am not going to post any links in this post. Just start searching around and you will find several pictures. Look man I know it sounds crazy to talk about this and trust me I don't want to even post about this here. I just don't know how to deal with the information I have learned. I don't want to accept that there has been horrible abuses by soldiers. What troubles me even more is that apparently some of the photos and video has US and Iraqi soldiers in them. So if this is correct then Iraqi soldiers are also involved and are abusing their own. I am almost shaking typing this post. I never thought I would be talking about such a sensitive issue like this. I just don't know what is going to happen once this gets out in a big way. Once the pictures really start getting around there will be no stopping it. I am sure that efforts are being made internally by the government to remove pictures from the net as they show up. These pictures would be a deal breaker for the US.

So that's the way the rabid right views American principles and ideals.

with the lights off, you can't tell us from the radical islamists. we are supposed to be better that they are. not military but ethically.

but if we were an ethical nation, we wouldn't be invading a country who posed no risk at all to our national sovereignty

3 people were waterboarded, one of which was the killer of Daniel Pearl, Khalid Sheikh Mohammad. The video of the beheading was horrible to watch, yet liberals are more concerned about the killer's feelings. If you don't want to waterboard, then get the hell out of the way and let me do it.

This board used to be a great place for discussion and exchange of ideas. Now, we have idiots placing the most tired of ad hominem attacks on here. According to our less intelligent posters, Obama is jeopardizing our country if he releases the photos. However, by not releasing the pictures, he's covering up a great scandal. Either way you spin it, he's a horrible president who can't do anything right.
This sounds frighteningly like the liberal logic that Bush was always wrong no matter what he did.

"a$$ pyramid with these psychos and other jokes done at every frat house in the country. "

What kind of frat were you in? I was in a frat and I don't remember anything close to this. I supppose it makes sense that the people who whine the loudest are closet homos.

So that's the way the rabid right views American principles and ideals, hmm? Not surprising.

Yeah, it's SHAMEFUL the way so many Americans seem obsessed with the rule of law, and human rights, and freedom, and all that garbage that just gets in the way of torture and murder. Just awful. Truly.

Sickos. No wonder you keep losing. America wants nothing to do with this kind of cowardice any more.

>>>>>How much time you got under your belt in Iraq/Afgahn,1st Gulf War, Nam, Korea,WW2 or any other conflict that Americans have died in, since WW1?<<<<

Great comeback, dolt! Did you get that one from "Countdown with Keith Overbite " or was it Michael Moore?

So, using your great liberal logic, I guess I can't comment on the basketball last night because I never played in the NBA. I guess I can't say that child molestors should be executed because afterall I never molested a kid and have never been executed before.

Question for you moron using the same logic: How much time have you spent with your limbs pulled apart and brain sucked out in the womb to know that abortion is just a choice and doesn't hurt anyone?

What a maroon you are.

Please be advised that there is absolutely to evidence of the abuse that you claim occured. As much as people hated Bush, these pictures would already have been leaked to the public if they existed. In fact, I truly expect some of the 2,000 pictures that Oabama has will be "leaked" if it serves this administration's purpose. Yes abuse happens in time of war on all sides and that is unfortunate. I shudder to think what the "other side" does to POWs - well acutally, we know because muslims can't help but brag about their misdeeds. Male rape is an obsession with them. No big surprise that allegations of rape abound as they are fixated on the subject of men on men sex. (A natural result of a truly repressive ideology.) That is a part of middle eastern culture, not so much in the US. (I can't speak for Canada, Britain, Australia, etc) However the American military is the most highly trained and disciplined army in the world. They are fully aware that the media will seize on any opportunity to depict them in a negative light. We owe them a debt of gratitude and whether you agree or not, they are good-will ambassadors for the US. You would know that if you had ever met a refugee from another country. You sir, have been duped. BTW - What's with your comment "Whoever is responsible for these horrible crimes should be put in jail for the rest of their life. Hell I would even say drop him off in the middle of Afghanistan in one of the illegal gun and drug markets and let him fend for himself." - how interesting the choice of words. So ironic that you are so willing to advocate violence to those you disagree with and yet abhor water-boarding of islamic terrorists who are avowed murderers.

They could release some of those pics with those brave detainees crying like babies after they were menaced by a tumblebug on one of those motivational posters and the caption; "Terrorists, they only look tough"

I thought that was just at Abu Ghraib(sp)? Those people have been punished. If that is still going on then yes we have a problem. And no, we don't want those pictures to get out, just punish the ones that are guilty.

can fall for this nonsense. Hey, you Hussein voters, are you really this gullible? Aren't you the least appalled by the way the OBozo mob holds you people for absolute fools? A child can see through this.

Here is a man who campaigned against military tribunals and the abuses at Gitmo. That was his big thing. Just a few weeks ago, he was absolutely ADAMANT about releasing those photos because "I promised transparency". Now, all of a sudden, in a 180 turn, he is adamant about not releasing the photos! He comes up with the following gem, as if he just originated this shocking discovery, "I think the photos would enflame hostilities and endanger our troops." No $hit, Sherlock! You just realized that now, genius? That's been the argument from anyone with half a brain for the past two years.

You Obama drones don't even question why he did the 180? What is it with you dolts?

Two things at play: (1) the moron Dumbocrats realized this "waterboarding is torture" scam was backfiring on them. They realized they, themselves, not only knew about it but approved it. The SF wrinkled plastic face was in trouble also. So, they simply decided to drop the photo thing and try to bury this whole issue quickly. They knew the photos would keep the story going as riots across the world would happen again from the peace-loving Musloons. (2) OBozo is going to Egpyt next week to speak to the Muzzies again. Here you have a man who is obsessed with hearing the crowd applause. Now, how would it look, if the photos were released, and riots are happening all over the place as the Great Orator is on tour over there and trying give a speech to the Musloons? Not a good picture of a man who campaigned on the slogan of "We need to be liked again by the rest of the world."