Works how? It hasn't gotten a single proven result. Some in here will bring up the Library Tower in LA (Boortz used to mention this) but we knew about the plot to blow up that building before we waterboarded KSM. He confirmed what we already knew and some propagandist in the Bush administration wrote up bogus memos claiming a connection between the two events.

Notice how Cheney stopped calling for the release of the "results" memos? Here's the deal: either those memos exist and are classified and he therefore broke the law by referring to them -- or -- they do not exist, he knows they do not exist and he therefore knows he is safe from prosecution.

If McCain thinks it torture, it's torture. If Hannity makes a promise to the families of the troops and breaks it, shame on you fools for ignoring it.

Guess you figured out I'm not going to just because you'd rather read old Irish jokes then face the truth about your boy Hannity.

oooh. you hurt my feelings.
i looked statism online.
The "concentration of economic controls and planning in the hands of a highly centralized government."

would you think a communist is a statist?
what about those who take some kind communism?
like the income tax? that's definatly part of the commie routine.

why don't wash your mouth out with soap.
and why wash your eyes out too. cuz i'm not a liberal.

you horse squeeze

It kinda reminded me of someone....

Oh and I actually like Wanda Sykes, most of the time. The joke about Hannity WAS funny! I just think making fun of someone who is either a recovering alcoholic or drug addict is in poor taste.

I am in Georgia! And I saw those TShirt! I don't care what they say about you, I know you are not a lefty. Just different.

Butt Neckid, I'm heading for the cold one here in a minute.

ya'll have to get a grip and drive down to your local osamabama marxist office and sign up.

when you get that done go home, smoke em if you got em, open a cool one and wait fo' yo' check. oh yeah don't forget to pray 5 times a day. osamabama does in his private mosque, formerly known as the clinton lewinski smoke room.

DRIP: DON'T RETURN INCUMBENT POLITICIANS

look up the video of Wanda Sykes making fun of Hannity. most of you won't admit it, but she gets in some funny lines like "I could break Hannity with a middle seat in coach."

Looks like your position is any topic is ok as long it isn't this "stupid Hannity stuff," Joy?

Your usage of "neocon" and "statist" in the same sentence automatically disqualifies you from any further response on my part. FYI statist is a term used to describe national socialists, i.e. democrats.

Funny, but I always feel the need to wash my hands after responding to a liberal.

Don't pay attention to drooling idiots like Gavin Cornhair. I have something that will make your day. HR1207 now has 162 co-sponsors. :)

great joke! i'll have tell my mother, who's irish!

All of those five were muslims? How do you know that? The names in the story are:

Narseal Batiste (sounds French to me)

Patrick Abraham (Batiste's right-hand man.) Doesn't sound very muslim to me...

Burson Augustin (another French name)

Rotschild Augustine (also french, but more so with the extra "e")

Stanley Grant Phanor ("Stanley Grant"???)

Naudimar Herrera (This one sounds like it COULD be muslim, but that was the only guy cleared of charges!)

So, again, neal, how can you say they werre all muslim? How do you know that? If none of the news stories reported it, what connections do you have that tell you this "fact"?

The story says thay are haitian. Are all Haitians muslim? Since French and french Creole is usually spoken in Haiti, that can explain the french sounding names....

Sorry, Neal, I'm normally with you but on this one, unless you can prove to me that these guys were all Muslim, I think you're blowing steam.

This is no different from any alledged newscast. In my neck of the woods (South Dakota)the local media identify illegal aliens as locals all the time. Example headline: "Immigration officals arrests five Worthington residents on Immigration charges." How could anyone who is arrested as an illegal alien be considered a local resident?

but Obama will be there. This is like THE meeting btw. The meeting in Greece is crucial cause the Bilderberg group will be ironing out the fine details of how they will push world markets toward collapse. They obviously won't go directly after the US economy. They will put pressure on foreign markets that will cause them to react negatively and start dumping investments and futures based on the US dollar. That will be the trigger they need to allow the IMF to jump in along with the Federal Reserve to "save" world markets. They will introduce the new international base currency that will cause incredible losses in the US market immediately. The Fed will have to freeze the stock market. The next step will be taken by Ben Bernanke. He will inform the Obama administration as to the status of the Federal Reserve and will present loss projections to Tim Geithner. It will be concluded that the collapse of the US economy is eminent. Geithner will demonitize the US dollar. Now what happens from there I couldn't even tell you honestly because the public is so unpredictable these days. I mean hell the stress tests came out and noone did anything. The results were bad enough to make anyone with business at the effected banks to take their money, but hardly anyone did. Further than that it was announced in multiple news articles that followed that the ACTUAL stress test numbers were artificially deflated during the appeals process. Guys I dunno...this is unprecedented what is going on here. I hope you guys have your escape plan ready. I do.

Don't you worry your pretty little head about manly men stuff, Missy.

Goes both ways? How so? I showed you yours, you show me mine. The day Boortz posted the Hannity/Grodin exchange where Hannity promised to undergo waterboarding, people in here ripped into Charles Grodin and ignored Hannity’s folly. Grodin’s a drunk, Grodin’s a slob, etc – nobody could accept the fact that Hannity put his foot in his mouth and made a promise he would not – and never will – keep. He lied (that was for you, Jim Beam, in case you still haven’t figured out where your hero Hannity lied). Nobody excused Grodin as an entertainer that day and he’s a lot more entertaining than Hannity will ever dream of being. Midnight Run was one of the best movies ever made.

Hannity is such a robotic phony that as soon as he was challenged he thought he could run home to momma and play his “for the families of the troops” routine and it blew up in his face. Insult to our troops and their families aside, I think it’s hilarious that the very faux patriotism he hides behind is now shedding light on what a scared phony the guy really is.

After the Vegas trip taking any bets on AF1 heading for Greece....

"Why on the FBI's most wanted website is Osama bin Laden not accused of the 9/11 "
**why is the poster you cite dated June 1999 and Revised November 2001?


"If Pakistan started bombing areas of America against the American govts will, siting it was in their national security interests would Americans be provoked?
** The Pakistani Government has a long history of playing the Good Guy Bad Guy game. In secret, anything that we can do to destroy Islamic insurgency has a good effect on Pak and they accept that...so long as it looks like we are the bad guys, they only care about the end result. "The knife that kills best is the unseen one"

"If you keep giving a corrupt money grubbing oppressive govt (read Pakistan)money to help you find terrorists isn't this incentive for Pakistan to NOT find the terrorists so they can keep our tax dollars flowing into their pockets?"
** I agree with you here. But in some measure, do the ends not justify the means?

Do you believe the founding fathers envisioned nation building and giving out billions of tax dollars to other nations, driving America into bankruptcy?
** Agree, to some point, also here. But The Fathers did not envision a geopolitical environment that we have today. ALso, they were far more to the point of direct action to benefit the Republic (vis a vis the Barbary Pirates and Letters of Marque etc)

"With 11 trillion dollar debt and counting, can America afford to keep building permanent military bases in other people's countries?"

**we have actually reduced the number of permanent military bases throughout the world. Example: Korean and European Theaters.

You need to lighten up, cutie pie. Who said anything about conservatives? I can always tell when you have nothing, buddy, because you resort to subtle (in your mind) digs and name calling.

You are right he’s nothing more than an entertainer but he’s also one who places himself up on a patriotic pedestal and, IMO, many of his listeners fall for it. He’s been called a great American in here. What makes him so great? Because he cashes in on talking about freedom and troops? Yeah, he’s a regular Toby Keith. The guy is every bit as skewed and one sided as Olberman but this is ok with you because you lack objectivity.

He and Neal go on and on about how waterboarding isn’t torture, he then promises the families of the troops he will undergo it to raise money for them….and now what? He wishes he had never said it, that’s what. But all of this is fine in Joyce-land. Thanks for making my point about having to ignore their hypocrisy.

i could've swore todays is the 14th.

Reason, i am a isolationist because our forefathers wanted us to be that way.

and you mention the chinese communists wanting to take over the world. good luck to them. they will bankrupt themselves like russia did a few years ago, and like we're doing now.

and if want to come after us? nukes

...strangely enough at not one single point did I suggest America become isolationist. Non-intervention is not isolationism. Respecting the constitution and expecting other countries to oversee their own internal affairs without the U.S sticking its nose in, is not isolationism. Are you suggesting that Iran stick its nose into America's business? and if they don't they are isolationist? Im not sure where you even picked up anything like that in what Im saying. If anything I'd like to see America promote its goodness through free trade and travel, the way the founders did. Trying to spread goodness by force will ensure people will want to fight you. Defend by force if needed though.

"Do we just let the Chinese (Communists), the North Koreans (Communists) and the radical Islamists divvy up the rest of the world? "

Sounds like you're buying into neo-con fear propaganda, you should try on some traditional conservatism. You also seem to have a tinge of cold war mentality. Cold War's over. Radical islamists will not divvy up the world, the middle eastern countries making money off of oil care very much about their profit and do not want instability to disturb that.The radicals are a smaller group, but increase their numbers by using U.S military presence on their soil as an effective and efficient recruitment tool.If you are worried about growing radical islamic power, then you should support getting troops out of the middle east, since they are using U.S military presence as a rallying point(CIA vouches for this). Unless of course you believe that Iran could set up permanent military bases in America and Americans would not be provoked by it.Besides not even Bush or Obama believe there's an islamic threat to the mainland, if they did they would have secured the border and encouraged ALL illegals to head home back in 2001.

America is already China's bitch, owing China a lot of money. If America withdraws troops from around the world to actually protect mainland America and stops spending 1 trillion per year of garrisoning other people countries, we'd pay that debt off quicker and stop being China's bitch quicker. We can also then start abolishing Federal govt programs,and many different taxes a great chain reaction.

North Korea is a 3rd world nation incapable of doing damage to America. Get the troops home or stationed around the mainland to shoot anything down if they try it, let China handle north Korea, since China does not want instability to disrupt its booming economy, and N. Korea looks up to China anyway. Japan is N.Korea's historic bitter enemy, let the Jaoanese get in on handling N.Korea also.

any more questions?

You need to lighten up buddy. There was no mocking of anybody going on but you're gonna take something an "entertainer" said out of hand and run with it just to prove (in your mind) how bad conservatives are. The silliness of that is why I say "what ever". And by I'd watch it, I meant just that, if he does it, I'll watch. I don't think anyone in the service would make as big a deal over this as you have.

Chad, thanks, wish I could take credit for that but it was CowboyUp!

Oh....forgot one. The Russians (Communists).

This lady who s alleged to do this heinous crime is called out as a Sunday School Teacher. I wonder what the 5 guys did in their mosques. You got to love our media.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30159623/

A Sunday school teacher who was one of the last people to see 8-year-old Sandra Cantu alive was arrested late Friday on suspicion of kidnapping and killing the young girl.

Melissa Huckaby, 28, was taken into custody at 11:55 p.m., about five hours after she drove herself to the police station in Tracy, Calif., at the request of officers, said Sgt. Tony Sheneman.

Especially this part....

The Oklahoma bombers are dead, Rudolph (apprehended by a Baptist) is serving 9 life sentences with no parole, those abortion murderers are doing life, and pedophile priests are taken down by their Catholic victims. Meanwhile, left wing terrorists are given jobs in education.

Very well said, Mam.

The bias is obvious and undeniable. Though the msm often admits and rarely bothers to even try to deny it these days, some still insist otherwise.

These would-be terrorists are all a bunch of incompetent losers(the 9/11 hijackers made stupid mistake after stupid mistake but still got through), until they kill a bunch of people, then it’s too late.

Yea jim, it’s the military industrial complex doing us in, if we just quit making weapons systems we’ll all be safe and wealthy. Ike was excusably wrong, but we should all know better by now.

Why should I care what terrorists like or don’t like (other than to PO them worse)? Some mistake them for people who will ever lack an excuse to come kill us, our very existence offends them. Their fame and power comes from killing us(not for dying by the hundreds to kill one of us, Red), they will try to do so until they are dead. I’m not ignorant enough of their culture, religious beliefs, and mentality to be snookered otherwise. I'm for anybody that thinks aq is justified to go join them so we can target and kill their SAs. The only answer to terrorists and their demands, is death, and that goes for any group or government that initiates the use of terrorism, including the IRA.

The Oklahoma bombers are dead, Rudolph (apprehended by a Baptist) is serving 9 life sentences with no parole, those abortion murderers are doing life, and pedophile priests are taken down by their Catholic victims. Meanwhile, left wing terrorists are given jobs in education.

John chapman a Christian terrorist? Lol, that’s funny. Still waiting to hear about those rampaging Christian mobs raping, killing, and burning nonbelievers. Our ‘brave’ leftwing artists have yet to come out with anything like “pisskoran,” or a statue of Mohamed in dung, apparently they think there’s a difference between offended Christians and offended muslims. Oops, we’re not supposed to notice things like that are we?

Just have a great big "what ever" for that. Really! Who cares?

We spend a lot of time on here discussing/arguing little things that don't mean diddly.

It's not like him NOT doing the stunt takes anything away from the soldiers cause they didn't have it to begin with. Why don't you email him about it and let us know what you find out?

I'd watch it.

Gavin,
The only cowardly little twit in this conversation is you. You're too afraid to take care of yourself and account for your own actions. You rely on breast feeding off of Obama and his cronies so you don't have to think for yourself. Tell me, how does it feel to copy and paste a template answer to everything you discuss?

Wow thank you, you have just inspired me!

Jim you include a VERY important fact. Eisenhower a REPUBLICAN president did indeed warn America in the 50's about the dangers of the military industrial complex. The man had been in the military and had seen first hand the horrors of war, and he ended up going against military expansion. Instead choosing to focus on America and put America first rather looking for nations to fight. Republicans wake up, the Republican party is lost and has been infiltrated by leftists, and Neal is buying their empire mentality nonsense when it comes to foreign policy.

I think Red SHOULD write a book. I'd buy it.

...so how DOES that kool aid taste? There is nothing idiotic or 11th grade about acknowledging what's right in front of your face and asking about the obvious. Sorry just not the way it works. Thank you for giving up on my arguements and questions so easily, true liberal moves, straight to name calling because you are unable to make arguements. Better luck next time turning your brains on.....

Rob, suggest you read both the koran and the new testament bible to compare methods of theocracy(not old testament,christians do not live under the old covenent).Yeah there are many things in christians past that were horrible but thats exactly the point.Any religion can be used to justify whatever the current practicers want to do.The difference in islam and christianity is the new testament of christ does not in anyway endorse the brutal crusades, the spanish inquest-conversions-tortures or ANY violence.Those are the ideas of man.While in the koran, Mohamad spells out exactly how to rule,punish,kill and destroy ANY who do not submit to islam.Even the word islam means to submit.There is no "new testament koran".It demands today what it always has.Islam is a form of government,christianity is not,at least not in over 300 years.Christ just wants your soul freely given.Islam wants the world under it, no matter how and return us to the 14th century.Christian fundamentalism is peaceful by its own "word". Islam funamentalism is violent by its own "word".If you think a silent prayer in school is theocracy then wait till islam is law.RE: REDLEADER-there are already islamic invasion of our country, I live @50 miles from a islamic training camp that teaches comando and terrorism skills.Its one of 22 that the FBI is aware of.Locals have known about it for years now.

Praying in school is extremism? The pledge of alegence is extremism??

Suggestion... Move away. You people need to calm down and get a life. Face it, radical muslims arent extreme just to make a point, If we dont follow their relegion they want us dead. That is the true meaning of religious extremism.

has anyone noticed that when moe-ham-ed came on the scene that almost no discoveries or advancements came out of the arab (read muslim) world since.

when the crusades ended people still killed each other but used different excuses instead of in "gods" name. the muslim world has not advanced in science, medicine etc in 800 years. ally be praised.

when we all are converted or dead then the world will be safe because there won't be electricity, airplanes or anything else the mule-a's don't like. am i wrong??

Hannity didn’t cut in half the money going to injured police officers, Joyce. He only taunted the American families of our troops by agreeing to be waterboarded to raise money for them. He only got their hopes up that some much deserved relief was coming, he made them belief for a moment that somebody, a great American, cares about them and is willing to take action to help ease their situation. And then dashed their hopes by doing nothing to back up his promise, running and hiding, cowering in fear, having his punk card pulled by little pansy liberal Keith Olberman, who, BTW, did not break any promises to the families of our troops.

Appears once again the MSM is afraid of offending "peace-loving Muslims" everywhere.

Only the facts speak otherwise about this murderous, cowardly religion of thugs.

Geez, write a book, Red. The idea of these posts is that they are supposed to be concise. Please do not endlesly ramble on. By the way, you are an idiot.

sammy4321, Red Leader : Neal should pay you for your analysis. Outgoing president Ike had it spot on with his warning of the growing influence of the millitary industrial complex, which has operated our country, the USA, as one of its' arms for the last 50 plus years.

if it 11th grade debate stuff, why don't you answer it? because it would make you think? LOL

You left out the part where Islamofacist terrorists come to America and liberate 50 MILLION OF US.

But hey...REALLY cute 11th-grade debate stuff you got there LOL

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_David_Chapman

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

Do you need more? I'd be happy to look them up for you.

I can also point you to scriptures in the Bible where God requires ethnic cleansing if you like.

We never hear of the Good Muslims hunting the Bad Muslims here. Maybe we should. I would love to see a story on that in the press here. But that would entail the left media actually having to admit there are bad Muslims first.

I hope it is true.

sure Joyce
Muslims should do more to weed out the worst of their own, but, like Catholics, they end up looking like they condone the behavior of people like Eric Robert Rudolph and countless child molesters.
By Gavin Volaire

And those get turned in by their own if they know about it. To not do so, is to condone. Exactly. That's why I lump all Muslims together until they prove me wrong.

off-topic: Where you been lately?

Anyone can "deduce"? Apparently not the AP. Ever.

Ok so Neal tends to leave out some very important and significant questions when addressing these islamic fascists. So here goes;

If the Saudis and the Iranians were building permanent military bases in America and trying to tell Americans how to live and change American culture by force, would that provoke Americans?

Would it provoke some Americans to violence?

If a middle eastern country had been intervening in American politics since the 1950's would Americans be provoked by this?

If Iraq could have retaliated with a full blown airforce strike on American soil would America have invaded Iraq?

The Federal govt for years has been giving money to known oppresive dictators in the middle east, but then say it promotes democracy. Do you think any of this money could filter down to islamic terrorists?

If the only country that ever used nukes to kill people were asking you to stop making nukes..would you trust them?

Why on the FBI's most wanted website is Osama bin Laden not accused of the 9/11 terrorist attacks? (http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm)

If Pakistan started bombing areas of America against the American govts will, siting it was in their national security interests would Americans be provoked?

If you keep giving a corrupt money grubbing oppressive govt (read Pakistan)money to help you find terrorists isn't this incentive for Pakistan to NOT find the terrorists so they can keep our tax dollars flowing into their pockets?

Do you believe the founding fathers envisioned nation building and giving out billions of tax dollars to other nations, driving America into bankruptcy?

If there is such a threat of terrorists coming into America to do harm then why isn't the border closed and immigrants encouraged to leave?

With 11 trillion dollar debt and counting, can America afford to keep building permanent military bases in other people's countries?

Neal tends to leave out parts of a more complete story. Yes Islamic fascism is a problem and there are muslims, who want the planet under shari'a law, this is fact. When then is America upping their recruitment numbers,giving the islamic terrorist world a single cause to unite around and providing a scapegoat to spread thier ideology by keeping a military presence on their land? The same would happen if Iranians were on American soil trying to run the show. Everytime Neal posts about islamic fascists I'll go ahead and post questions like these which should automatically come to us when addressing islamic fascism. But yes the newspaper should not be afraid to call them ISLAMIC terrorists. This PC nonsense is going to get people killed and has to go!

If any of those other groups were knocking down our buildings and/or conspiring to knock down more buildings, then we would!

Why are extremist Muslims obsessed with knocking down our buildings, ask that question instead you anti-American twerp!

Neal,
Even in your post, you identify the bad guys as 'Radical Muslims.'
The Pakistani Army is all Muslim, and they're fighting and dying in a virtual civil war against Radical Muslims. Muslim Iraqis and Afghanis fight along side our troops. Muslim civilians call our troops and our Muslim allies to have murderers arrested and/or killed. The Saudis kill Al Qaeda on sight. Jordan, Kuwait, UAE, Bahrain, Turkey, Saudi, and the 3 Stans north of Afghanistan all helped us in 2 wars. All Muslim countries have free-speech movements aimed at having a western style press. Many Iranians are pressing their government to build a productive relationship with the US and EU.
Radical Muslim Sects, who are hunted daily by good Muslims in far greater numbers, are our enemies. Good Muslims are killed by bad Muslims far more often than Muslims of any persuasion are killed by non-Muslims.
Using the wrong nomenclature would alienate our allies and weaken us. Paradoxically, that would weaken those in the best position to kill Radical Muslims. It would push the fence-sitters to side with the murderers.
Blanket xenophobia has the power to kill far more troops than have already died winning freedom for 50 million Muslims.

The next time Boortz has Dupree on and Jamie says he does not see any media bias, I am going to turn him off yet again. I don't know why Boortz puts up with this whiney liberal. He must get a big bonus for promoting Dupree.

if we removed our troops from the region this might have not happened. especially the troops we had in saudi arabia. that's what the "terrorists" don't like.

why are our troops in saudi arabia? to uphold the monarchy there? a monarchy which treats its women as cattle and spreads its wahhibi doctrine throwout the world? this is what our army's for? paid protection for our enemies?

Now that the economy, as good Republicans like Hannity would like us to believe, is the sole responsibility of the current administration, what administration gets credit for this conviction?

Obama has been in office over 100 days and is responsible for everything that happens on his watch so I guess we’ll hear Hannity congratulate Obama tonight for this conviction that occurred on his watch. Probably right after he announces his waterboarding fund raiser for the families of the troops. We haven’t heard another word about that but I’m sure that great American will submit to waterboarding as soon as possible to help the families of the troops will benefit.

In the Art of War, here is a basic tenet,
"If you know yourself and you know your enemy, you will be victorius in a thousand battles."
"If you know yourself or you know your enemy you will win half the battles."
"If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will be defeated in a thousand battles."

Except for a very small portion of Americans, i.e. the one's who had to face the enemy (Radical Islam) firsthand in battle i.e. the Armed Forces deployed to Iraq, Afghanistan, or the Philippines, or the boys in Langley and the Hoover building in DC, many Americans do not know what type of enemy they are facing.

(If America does not wake the you-know-what up, The US will lose the war on terror and then Radical Islam will attempt to force conversion on the people that are left.)

Just remember that maybe one percent of Muslims are of the radical variety... But with one billion Muslims worldwide... you do the math.

call anyone who is anti-abortion, veterans, or any right of center individual a terrorist. That is acceptable. But implying that a muslim might blow up a building. That my friends is bigotted.

This is kinda like if you ain't wif us you agin us.

The Muslim community knows who among them is likely to be an extremist. If you really want to prove how peaceful the majority are, then turn in these extremists. That never happens. Until then, we can't help but lump them all together.

And yeah, our press stinks.