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END TO 'WAR ON DRUGS'?

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Neal Boortz
@ May 15, 2009 9:45 AM
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So you need more topics, eh? How about this one: White House Czar Calls For End to 'War On Drugs'

The administration is looking at:
  • emphasizing treatment over incarceration
  • ending disparity between crack and powder cocaine
  • ending raids on medical marijuana clinics in states where they are legal
Discuss.


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What others are saying

  • End the war? About time!
    Prohibition just doesn't work. For examples see Al Capone.

    In the case of marijuana too many lives have been ruined over a natural plant, that does much less harm than either ciggarettes or alcohol. Let's end the insanity and prosicute real crimes not someones choice in relaxation materials.
  • War on drugs
    It's about time, it's just a shame that the motivation here is to raise revenue instead of the American citizen's right's under the Declaration of Independence. Remember the one about Life, Liberty, and The Pursuit of Happiness.
  • Drug legalization
    About damn time. It's a shame this is motivated by the need to raise revenue instead of the need for smaller government and more freedom for the American public. I thought the Declaration of Independence said Life, Liberty,and the Pursuit of Happiness.
  • Frito-Lay supports this stance.
    Srsly, this is awesome. The fact marijuana is illegal and alcohol is legal is insanity.
  • Hmmmm.....
    Why don't we continue to incarcerate and demonize people that no longer have the ability to make rational decisions? Because it's stupid.

    The initial decision to use a substance is a decision. The continued use thereafter is less so. I don't understand why it has taken so long for people to understand that incarceration does not work, and that treatment will. But then again, people believe whatever they are told, e.g. world is the center of the universe, world is flat, deterministic theories work in the quantum world (Einstein believed that one).

    I am going to use this forum, and I apologize to Neal Boortz for this, I am going to use this to talk about an underlying issue in the world, and America in particular. There is nothing to believe in anymore. All of the values that we have taken for sacred have vanished in a negative correlation to scientific and philosophical progress. This, unlike previous times in history, has left us dumbfounded and without a firm grasp of who we are and where we are going. Since this is a political forum, i will talk politics.

    Republicans believe that personal freedom is the most important aspect of human life, particularly when it comes to business. However, they miss that fact that those that work for them, and even those Republicans themselves, have little freedom. Their view of freedom is in the freedom that money gives, which is a false freedom. We all will always be a slave to the almighty dollar. That view of freedom is false.
    Democrats view of freedom is in the freedom to choose what is best for other people, under the guise of "helping". But remember, just because you choose for someone else, does not mean that someone is not choosing for you as well. Once again, that view of freedom is false.

    There is no freedom, there is nothing to believe anymore. What is needed more than anything else is a common purpose, a common goal. We are not Americans anymore, we are individuals that live in America.
    If your objective is to tell people how to live their lives, than be consistent. But if your idea of freedom is to let people choose, and when they need help to offer it to them, then of course treatment is the best option.

    Since I am a philosopher, lover of knowledge, I ask that if you respond to this comment you include your definition of freedom. I want to know how "free" you think you are before I continue this discussion with you. I am not searching for problems, I am searching for solutions, and without an understanding of your personal philosophy that is unattainable.

    Hopefully this will lead to some discourse.
  • one toke over the line
    Ive know about this guy for a while from reading the Drug War Chronicle or NORML's news, but I never thought he would be shown in this easily. Where are the GOP henchmen out there trying to ruin this guy? Maybe they were just waiting for a Dem to pull this trigger so they could watch the ricochets.
    Don't forget about the lower carbon footprint if I could grow my own weed. It wouldn't have to be driven in semis from Mexico, and I wouldn't have to drive all over town from dealer to dealer.
    Dang White County is dry!
  • Unfortunately, prohibition doesn't work. It also produces worse results for society than if we didn't prohibit drug use.
  • What Big O forgot to mention
    Remember what always goes hand-in-hand with the proposal to legalize drugs... TAXING THEM! Dude is seriously looking to score some cash for his buds in the District.

    (That, and he's probably looking for the PO-leese to lay off his homies in the 'hood.)
  • Stepping stone to Fair Tax
    Drug legalization will provide more traction for the Fair Tax. Why? The Alcohol, Tobacco, and US Criminal System lobbying groups will lose tremendous power. They want the rules to remain the same so as to maintain power. Passing the Fair Tax decreases the groups power to an even greater degree. Thus, power is the fuel that prevents the Fair Tax. Decrease power, increase the chance of passing the Fair Tax. Its simple logic.

    The US will not be affected by drug legalization like some of these misguided and propgandized posters imply. ANYONE CAN GO BUY DRUGS TODAY, (even 7th graders) and Uncle Sam cant stop them. Sure you can get arrested for poor behavior while on drugs for example violence, driving, etc. Criminal behavior while on drugs is increased due to the illegality of drugs and it is obvisious the problem is not going away.

    Personal responsibility and truth are the solutions to all problems.
  • A step in the right direction
    All this simply is is going from incarceration (wrong) to treatment (correct). Look at how successful Portugal is with their decriminalization. I support this 100%; even so, the "war on drugs" has failed terribly, and it's amazing to me that marijuana is still illegal. Thank God 13 states have the right idea (medical use, no more federal raids). NORML had a great write-up on marijuana just the other day:

    "Our federal government ostensibly wants fewer Americans to consume pot. So they spend billions of dollars outlawing the plant and driving its producers underground where breeders, over time, clandestinely develop stronger and more sophisticated herbal strains than ever existed prior to prohibition. The Feds then inadvertently give America’s marijuana growers billions of dollars in free advertising by telling the world that today’s weed is more potent than anything Allen Ginsberg, Tommy Chong or Jerry Garcia ever smoked in their heyday. In response, tens of millions of Americans head immediately to their nearest street-corner in search of a dealer (or college student) willing to sell them a dimebag of the new, super-potent cannabis they’ve been hearing about on TV. The Feds then demand more of your hard-earned tax dollars so they can get more Americans “off the pot.”

    Then next year we do it all over again: same time, same station."

    Can ANYONE find fault with this argument?

    Didn't think so. It's the flat-out truth, and I weep for those who think it is harmful. In a debate, the educated users/groups (such as NORML) will ALWAYS "win". Thankfully, more and more Americans are understanding that marijuana is not as harmful as once thought, and are discovering its therapeutic value.
  • Yes, Patrick, actually they do. . .
    . . .have a roadside test for pot:

    Officer: "Have you been smaoking pot?"
    Driver: "No, sir."
    Officer whips hand from behind his back: "Then you wouldn't want this Twinkie©, would you?"
  • Legalize Drugs
    when obama was elected, i was hoping this was something he would do. it's a silver lining in the cloud of his presidency. the drug laws are insane. end them now.

    i might even vote for him if he can make this happen. the fact that millions rot in jail over this insanely stupid policy is a scandel for the ages. enough.
  • @ Patrick
    I am all for legalization of drugs of any and all kinds in a truly free society, but we do not and will not likely ever live in one.
    If and/or when this happens:

    - Employers will have no legal right to exclude these users.
    - Insurance (auto, life & medical)companies have no legal right to exclude these users.
    - The Taxes that come from these drugs will go in to the same black hole as everything else
    - Drug addiction will be "disability" allowing for the collection of social security and other government handouts.

    Count on it.
  • Sneaky guy that Czar is...
    This is primarily a change in terminology. Citizens are becoming increasingly aware that the "War on Drugs" is really just a war against people and the government knows they can't maintain that outwardly aggressive stance against their own population forever.

    Changing what they call their war is no different than a rapist telling his victim "Well, I've been thinking about it and "rape" just sounds so... wrong. I don't want you to think that I'm trying to hurt you in this so instead of calling this "rape" I'm going to call it "non-consensual intercourse" and I'm going to tone down the violent nature of this act by introducing some lubrication and sweet kisses".

    Ceasing the "War on Drugs" altogether is the only truly just action and the only one that might have the effects the anti-drug crowd claims they're after.
  • If you think
    illegal drugs are bad, check out what aspartame can do to you.
  • War On Drugs
    We should end the war on drugs because there should be no war on drugs to begin with.
  • Fire DEA employees
    How many now un-needed Federal and State employees can be let go now that their services will no longer be needed? This would be a tremendous savings to taxpayers.
  • War On Drugs
    Lets end the war - we are losing it because there should be no war on drugs to begin with.
  • More stupidity
    Well, this is a genius idea. And we could end the war on terror and just let everyone run around doing whatever. Because, we legalized alcohol and it leads to drunk driving. But surely no illegal substances will lead to a future of problems and consequences. And does the American public REALLY need more stimulus to be retoded?
  • Good
    I like the idea if nothing more than to repeal the ridiculous property seizure policies in place because of the 'war on drugs'.
  • Obama is right on this one
    Like a broken clock is. Even a jug eared clown can get something right now and then.
  • totally dude...
    ummm...uhhh what?
  • Crime Rate
    Well Greg, perhaps if we decriminalize all the laws that aren't really crimes (like smokin' pot), our crime rate would fall.

    This is one of the two good ideas coming out of the current administration. And I forget the other.
  • legalizing drugs
    I have a question: With alcohol we have a way of differentiating between alcohol in the system and being impaired; and we can tell when someone is legally a public danger while driving – Is it medically possible to tell the difference between someone with drugs in their system vs. someone who has enough in their system that they are legally impaired?

    If that is possible then I would support legalizing drugs IF:

    - Employers were free to choose to not hire drug users
    - Insurance (auto, life & medical)companies were free to choose to not insure drug users
    - The drugs were taxed and ONLY those revenues were used to pay for ALL drug related medical expenses (including addiction treatment, injuries due to drug related accidents, etc.)
    - Drug addiction was no longer a "disability" allowing for the collection of social security and other government handouts
  • Treatment is the answer, look at Portugal, five years in and drug use by teens is down.

    Drugs can rot your brain if used incorrectly, moderation is key. However, I'd much rather be in a room with a bunch of my friends toking down, than popping a concoction of pharmies trying to achieve mental wellness.

    Simply put, marijuana has such positive effects because it has created a community within America that is more close nit than suburbs have turned out to be. If everyone on a block tokes then they are probably all friends, yet in some neighborhoods people no longer even know their neighbors.

    Local action is the key to a better America; and if you don't know or care about your neighbors, we'll never achieve a level of local action to succeed.
  • you can lead a horse to water...
    Take it from an ex-doper...you can shove a person into all and the best treatment money can buy, but if that person isn't ready to quit, they won't. Not unless you do some extreme brainwashing, which I believe has been classified as torture, now-a-days?

    I simply looked in the mirror one day, asked myself why I was spending so much money to get paranoid, called myself stupid, and smashed my pipe with a brick. (15 yrs ago) Done.

    The Fed isn't going to shut down the DEA. Do you people have any idea just how big it is? All those government jobs would be lost...we want government bigger, after all...don't we? I mean, they keep telling us that.

    And end the "disparity" between crack and blow? I'm not sure I get that one. It's the same stuff, one is just a more concentrated high than the other. Trust me, they are both extremely addictive. Why was there "disparity" in the first place?

    This war on drugs is stupid anyway...let the people who want to OD, well, let them go ahead and do it. This senseless war has gone on long enough, and cost enough of taxpayer money.
  • Obamas First News Conference
    President Obama:
    My fellow Americans, “Dudes”. Myself and 2 Senators from California, the honorable Bud Green, and the honorable Mary Jane Grass have formed a homegrown Joint committee to investigate putting and end to the “war on drugs”. In the following months we will be gauging the feasibility of this endeavor. We will be looking to weed out draconian laws that are both bogus and harsh. Ladies and gentlemen, let me be blunt.
    As the head of this committee, I promise you, we will leave no turn unstoned.
  • I already commented, but I wanted to say something else
    I am very very surprised the fed is making this move to be honest. If the "War on drugs" ends how will the CIA, NSA, NRO, and DNI support their black projects? It has been common knowledge for decades that these agencies have internal projects that are off the books. The money comes from the trafficing of illegal drugs. Is Obama trying to say he wants these agencies to cease all black projects? I wonder what the spooks think about this that work for these agencies.
  • Great idea, but what's next?
    The sad fact is we spend so much money on the so called "war on drugs" that we could fully fund treatment for many more people than are actually addicted. That's pretty sad.

    My fear is that it's going to be replaced by something even more bizarre, like a "war on CO2", or as someone noted the money will be shifted over to empowering federal healthcare rationing. The government isn't going to give up the power or its abuse.
  • The war on drugs
    Nothing is wrong in my eye with ending the war on drugs but one CRITICAL piece is missing. PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. If you're stoned and drive, too bad, you lose your car. If you blow your money on alcohol or mary jane and can't pay your mortgage, too bad. Not my problem. You want cocaine or any other drug, fine. At home ONLY and NO TAXPAYER MONEY must EVER be used to cover for your stupidity.

    Stupidity MUST be painful or it never stops.
  • finally admitted it
    aha! so you are a drug user! don't try to deny it. you said....."i like cookies" therefore.... DRUGY! DRUGY!

    it's friiiiiiday! go do 'sumpin (il)legal...

    DRIP don't return incumbent politicians
  • What?
    Are you serious? He is actually going to make a decision that could cause good lasting change that would benefit this country moreso than our current policy does? Is this president actually going to do something beneficial.. I am shocked..

    This of course (barring something insane) would guarantee his second term. Not that I would vote for him just on this merit but it is definitely a tick in the + column.
  • who is the victim?
    I've never understood this. If one individual is willng to buy drugs from another individual who is willing to sell it to him. And they both know beforehand the effects of the drugs, who then is the victim? Certainly not the government because the government does not have any rights what so ever. The governemnt has PERMISSIONS granted to them by the people. So who is the victim when nobody is violated?
  • For once I agree with Red Leader...
    Ending the war on drugs is a win-win. Let's be honest folks: our goverenment has raped the constitution in the guise of "drug enforcement". When I was a younger man, I did a few "illegal"(also, definitely recreational) drugs. I could get what I wanted, when I wanted it as much as I wanted. How's that for winning a war? I also have several friends who are still in prison because they sold a "quarter bag" to the wrong guy. Sounds like casualties to me. It's asinine. Anti-drug propaganda always listed paranoia as a side effect of drug use. I was paranoid. I knew that my "leaders" had decided it was OK to bust in my door because I had some pot in the house. I was a total menace to society. Legalize and the paranoia will ease a bit. Not to mention the violence, wasteful spending, constitutional violations on citizen's rights, etc. Except for the whole "governments never voluntarily give up power" thing.
  • it is a good idea but will never happen
    Neal:
    You're dead on about the War on Drugs is not winnable and is nothing more than a power grab by the Federal Government. You're also dead on that it should be ended.

    However, it will not because the one's that are controlling the campaign, DEA, are enjoying their power and will not give it up. Besides, who was it that said, "The closest thing to eternity on this earth is a the existence of a government program."?
  • Just doesn't make sense Dwight...
    So illegal drugs are not recreational? Why not when there are tons of legal drugs that are more dangerous than the illegal ones? Hell Im starting to believe that high fructose corn syrup is a dangerous drug and its in almost everything we eat! There are indeed recreational aspects to drugs, no need to discriminate, moderation is the key. Alcohol is a very dangerous drug with high addiction potential, yet its left up to our responsibility...we do throw alcoholics in jail based soley on the fact that they are alcoholics. All the drug decriminalization/logicalization crowd wants is consistency and logic that's all. Besides the Federal Govt has no authority to make drug laws or to tell us as individuals what we can and can't put in our bodies.
  • @ Dwight
    "There is NOTHING recreational about any illegal drug and I have used most of them."

    You must have been using them around annoying people, using them improperly, or using them while listening to country music. LOL
  • @By FoxyRob @ 05/15/09 10:18:00 AM
    ..."drug dealers are BAD guys. We need to be able to lock them up to protect society."

    LOL. We need to give them a crime to commit so we can lock them up? That's one of the stranger defenses of this pointless war on drugs.

    Obama has the right idea -- well, not his idea -- he just has the guts to discuss implementing it. Gotta give him credit for this effort.

    I agree with Gump. It is too bad the GOP didn't push for this but instead of being socially liberal they chose to be fiscally liberal instead and ensured their demise.
  • It's about time
    Other countries legalize and have reduced addiction rates lower drug-related crime.

    Treatment is cheaper and more productive than incarceration.

    The facts, for anyone who chooses to investigate, are obvious.

    I am not a drug user, but our laws, especially this stupid war on drugs, are moronic.
  • war on drugs great for quality
    I just read a comment on another blog that essentially said - THANK YOU RIGHT WING!. Suggesting that it's really basic economics. Consumer demand for drugs has remained stable or grown while supply has been decreased by the war on drugs. When supply is down and demand remains at previous levels, yep you guessed it - price goes up which simply creates incentives to make more and make it better/stronger/higher quality.

    So the war on drugs has given us some killer weed man!!

    Great job! As this poster suggested, they should have a Ronald Reagan named the patron saint of bud.
  • War on "drugs"
    Just a few thoughts...

    Dwight,
    If you need evidence of what is (likely) to occur when the criminal penalties are removed from narcotics, look to Spain, Portugal and the Dutch. All have removed the criminal penalties, and initially there was a small spike (especially with MJ) and then usage dropped significantly.

    Further, this is a civil rights issue. There would need to be no *new* laws passed either. We have penalties already for coming to work impaired (if you can be dismissed for alcohol consumption, what difference does it make for another mind-altering substance?), same for driving, etc.

    I agree with the post below; if you are on public support you had better *not* be using that to support a chemical habit, be it alcohol, cigarettes or whatever. Had I the political power\influence, I would also prohibit having children while on public support. You want procreational rights, you have to be able to support yourself (and your children).

    Eliminate the extra penalties and the ability for a cop to pre-emptively stop motorists on the *suspicion* of consumption of controlled substances. If no crime has occurred, e.g. no one *else's* liberties have been compromised, then they have no business stopping you\ticketing\detaining or whatnot. Our police force has migrated from researching and apprehending criminals (those who violate another's right to life, liberty, property) to an occupying military with the ability to randomly detain, harass and confiscate from citizens.
  • Medical MJ
    from what I understand comes in pill form, does not make you high, gives the benefits for the prescribed for whatever relief it was prescribed for (chemotherapy side effects?).
    For all of you that think legalization / decriminalization is not a good idea, I offer you this. Of course there will be abusers just like alcoholics and chain smokers but you can't CONTROL those persons any more than you can control those that acquire illegal drugs. Substances that can be sold legitimately / legally under the watchful eye of the FDA (ick)virtually eliminates potentially lethal products out of product quality control and creates a job producing industry which in turn creates revenue. I would also be willing to bet that in turn a major portion of the 'mystery' and therefore the desire to experiment would be considerably diminished (although not eliminated) by the younger crowd reducing the numbers of regular users akin to occasional drinkers. I realize my written view here is very basic only because I am sure you are intelligent enough to fill in the rest of blanks.
  • pusillanimous????????????
    holy crap!!!

    you have started a stampede.....folks are breaking bones trying to get to their dictionaries....stop that! some folks won't be able to spell it.

    you are a mean man John Ray!

    DRIP don't return incumbent politicians
  • Finally...they get something right.
    This may be the only thing this administration is considering that is in the best long term interest of the country as a whole.
  • think eveybody is gunna light up???
    if you have proof that drug use will skyrocket let us see it.

    your use of drugs may have had an effect on your thought process. so far it seems as though "it ain't doin' you no good" or am I missing 'sumpin'?

    quit spending money on the DEA, ATF and more on the cure for human STOOPIDITY or the common cold.

    DRIP don't return incumbent politicians
  • Isn't it funny
    What do people FOR the war on drugs have to offer for their argument?
    Antiquated and obsolete diatribes about doom and gloom...with absolutely no evidence to back up any of their claims

    What do people AGAINST the war on drugs have to offer for their argument?
    Mostly the same...but with the occasional facts and figures that back up their statements

    Who would you rather believe?
  • Re: Dwight
    And did you quit because it was illegal, or because you recognized the harm it was causing you?
    No one quits drug use because it is illegal. No significant amount of people will start using simply because it is legal.
    It is perfectly legal to drink at age 21+. I started at age 17... I almost entirely gave it up at age 21.

    I think those drugs may have had an effect on your cognitive functions.
  • This is will government MORE power
    Grow it here, tax the heck out of it, control the addicts (even the illegal aliens) and let the environmentalists then complain about the cheap way to grow is bad for our environment so then make the growers step up their equipment and methods.....

    Now that alcohol is legal, how do the number of drinkers compare to the number of drinkers during prohibition? Yeah, there will be an increase.

    CLOSE THE BORDER

    i like cookies
  • War on Drugs - Who's at war with whom?
    If there was an illegal product being sold that was funneling money to a neo-Nazi, anti-gay terror group, Pelosi and Co. would be all over it. But drug users funnel money to FARC and Mexican narco-terrorists, and that's all society's fault for banning drugs.

    Drug users are at war with us, not the other way round. 2-3% of our population have declared that they will do what they want and take what they want, whenever they want, regardless what the law says.
  • Losing battle
    Too bad the GOP didn't push legislation when it had the chance to end the drug war. They'd probably be heroes today.
    That's about all I have to say about that.
  • war on drugs
    It is absolutely amazing that so many people think that legalizing drugs will not result in an increase in usage and that an increase in usage will not result in a huge expense on our society. We will all have to pay directly in tax money for fighting the crime that always follows addiction whether legal or not (i.e. black market cigarettes, drug use in europe). Whatever money might be saved through legalizing drugs will be lost expontentionally in the affect drug usage will have on society as a whole. The most assenine comment I have read on this blog is the reference to these drugs as "recreational". There is NOTHING recreational about any illegal drug and I have used most of them.
  • smell smoke????
    there are some very smart people that show up here, on the other hand some aren't.I think that there is some smoke clouding my mirrors.

    good law, bad law, the debate will never end until................shiria(?)law hits the U.S. then no mo' debate EVER!!!!

    drug wars have had a positive(depends on where you stand)effect on the world. more prison guards,prisons(construction jobs)police power(taking stuff and not giving it back) and scumsucking politicians gaining more power(from drug cartels)and.............the list continues.

    usage will not change much,those that have been doing it to rebel may quit, those that were afraid will start.

    invest in cookie manufacturing companies.
    DRIP don't return incumbent politicians
  • power
    the only problem i see with a democratic administration doing this is that they will still maintain power in the process. they will start a massive new government program for 'treatment' that will mesh nicely with socialized healthcare. but hey, it's better than continuing to flush billions down the drain incarcerating and ruining the lives of non-violent drug offenders.

    i feel the same way about DUI laws (neal will probably disagree with this). if you hurt someone while driving i don't care if you were drunk (or on drugs) or not. you should pay the price. if someone kills someone because they were putting on lipstick or something else stupid while driving, is that really better than if they do it because they had a beer?

    same thing for crimes committed, if it's a crime it's a crime. it doesn't matter if it was done for drugs or anything else.

    republicanremix.com
  • Get medieval on their tushies.
    You want to solve the drug problem? Start randomly spiking the supply with something lethal. People will wise up quickly. Sure, some will choose to play the game, but then it just becomes a vehicle for natural selection. Drug problem solved. Next?
  • Another Set of Laws Ignored
    Ok, these laws are on the books and now will not be enforced? Sounds like immigration laws. Time for some resignations or terminations for senior administration staff members that won't do their jobs. Maybe we need a new admendment that allows a majority of states to have impeachment powers over US Presidents? This would be a excellent solution for controlling the abuse by the federal government of the 14th Admendment.
  • I surrendered years ago
    holy crap! are we losing the war on drugs?? whata shock....

    ok so we make it legal, does usage go up/down? probably little change.

    as for mary-hoochie.....I am going to go rob a likker sto' and invest in any company that makes COOKIES!!! munchies anyone...

    DRIP don't return incumbent politicians
  • Insanity
    I have long heard it said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting the same result. Unfortunately, that means our entire federal government is completely insane. We have been committed to this war on drugs for 30 years and never seen an improvement.

    The arguement against legalization of drugs is simply that it would lead to massive increases in drug abuse, but there is no imperical evidence of that anywhere. The only case of a country legalizing it in recent history is Portugal and they showed a drop in drug use.

    Let's try effective policies, not wasting tax payer dollars to protect people from their own idiocy.
  • end war on drugs
    Treat pot like alcohol on the federal level. Any citizen can produce as much as they want for their own use on their own property with no federal tax or concern.
  • And nobody mentions how it will bankrupt the Taliban?
    Ending the war on drugs bankrupts the Terrorists... They get a large percentage of their income from selling poppy/heroin. Legalize it and they loose their market share.
  • Silly folks
    When has the Government ever ended anything where they have power.

    They will just rename it the getting high contigency operations.
  • What other wars are never won?
    While I understand that the "War on Drugs" is failing, what about our "War on Crime". Even though that is a battle never won, we must still fight it. We will never eliminate murder, theft, and rape, but we must continue the battle.

    Since murder, theft, and rape have distinct victims, no problem. Somebody said retool the war on drugs. If people are to be given the freedom to do drugs, we need the following:
    * companies have the freedom to immediately fire people that are stoned
    * create a minimum legal age, like alcohol
    * giving drugs to minors should have a similar complement of offenses as does giving alcohol to minors
    * DUI is extended to include drugs. Severity of sentencing may need to be adjusted based on severity of drug.
    * to receive welfare checks/WIC/food stamps, you must be free and clear of drugs and alcohol. THIS is means testing. You must be free and clear for at least 30 days, and subject to being re-tested randomly, and at least every 30 days. THAT would motivate some people to get off of welfare.

    Basically, if you sit at home and have no kids with you, do what you want. But if get behind a wheel, have kids in your home, or go to work, you are in the presence of potential victims and should suffer suitable consequences.
  • If adopted...
    It is a good step. This is as much as the administration can do. Congress has to do the rest.
  • the law
    read the article. james pasco, f.o.p. says "when you violate the law, there are consequences." how about this...
    just because its a law, doesnt make it right! see sharia law if you need examples
  • Foxy rob...
    ' it can and should be retooled.'

    Why if the Federal govt has no constitutional authority to get involved? Why if the govt does have the authority to tell people what they can and cannot put in thier bodies?

    "But the drugs themselves are hideously dangerous and destructive."

    Like alcohol,cigarettes and caffeine. But we leave these addictive drugs up to people's responsibility why not just be consitant with all drugs? Are you a beer drinker Foxy Rob?

    "O.K. But what is a hard-core crack-head going to do when he runs out of money to buy his drug legally? "

    What already happens with alcoholics or chain smokers if they run out of money?

    "Furthermore, the drug dealers are BAD guys. "

    So why not put them out of business with drug decriminalization? What will they do if they are not needed by anyone to provide recreational drugs?
  • War on Drugs
    I think everyone missed the point. Nothing except the name will be changed. When "global warming" was shown to be a scam it became "Climate Change" so the people seeking to destroy the country could say "see, I told you so" either way the climate went. Legalizing drugs in addition to alcohol would solve a lot of problems, create a few new problems which could be dealt with in an easier fashion, and reduce crimes attendant to the drug trade.
  • Failed Policy
    It’s a totally failed policy I agree.
    But it's unlikely to be 100% "legal" under Obama or within the next 20 years.

    At least do like some states. "Decriminalize" Mary Jane.
    Get caught? Make it a $100 civil penalty, like Red Light Camera ticket.
    Does not go on driving record.
    Not on criminal record.
    Cannot be found by employers.

    Legalize medical use...not too hard to get the prescription so go that route.

    What the old fogies don't want to hear is "We've Legalized It".
    But the old farts seem to accept "It's still Illegal, and some people are prescribed by doctor so that's OK because other meds are prescribed too" etc.
    The old geezers don’t know the difference between a ‘Civil’ violation and a ‘Criminal’ violation. The cop still seizes the stuff and the citizen still pays a fine. These prudes don’t realize the damage that is done when someone looses their job over this stupid crap, they can’t pay the mortgage and provide for their family.

    It will be a fine balance between 'common sense' and 'political acceptance' by the geriatric voters.

    Don't listen to the 'cops', of course most of them are against it, it's their meal ticket!! It's how they seize cash & property, thus it's how they get promotions. Their 'busts' are their career path. MJ is 90% of what they bring in. Take that away, and then they have to start doing real crime fighting!! Oh No!

    Seems like the hippy generation is starting to pay off. If Obama makes headway on this, I hate to say it, it all would've been worth it. We'd NEVER see this under GOP rule...NEVER...very sad.
  • Don't get too excited
    It isn't a done deal yet. There are special interests that would not like to see this go through.
  • Thank God...
    Finally the Obama administration has a beacon of light. Someone needs to inject some common sense and logic into America's drug war addiction. At no point will the Federal Govt ever be able to tell people what they can and cannot put into their bodies. Prohibition did not work in the 20's, its not working now.Besides its the drug lords who depend on drugs being illegal and the high risk associated with it to keep the value high. Decriminalizing drugs will put drug dealers out of business. Remember those commercials after 9/11 that said 'if you buy drugs you could be supporting a terrorist?' Will the honesty of it is that if the U.S keeps drug use punishable by jail time, and therefore the risk and value of drugs high then they could be helping to put more cash in the hands of terrorists than if it were decriminalized. But then again the U.S govt put money in the hands of terrorist anyway so there you go. I agree with Joyce lets save the billions it is costing the federal govt to lose miserably the war on drugs and lets get the border closed, and some federal programs abolished. Federal Drug laws are against the law(unconstitutional) anyway.
  • Finally...
    The White House has made an excellent decision. I just wish everything else was fine. There is just too many other pressing issues right now.
  • End to War on Drugs
    It makes sense to me. I would like to believe that it would result in a huge spending cut, but John's right...that won't happen.
  • Keep dreaming everybody
    Although a good idea, put this in the "not gonna happen" column
  • War on Drugs
    As long as the drug user has pay for their own rehabilitation, and I don't, I'm cool with replacing incarceration with treatment.

    BTW, the "security code" icon needs to be either bigger or CLEARER! This is my FOURTH attempt to read and duplicate it!
  • Sounds REASONABLE.
    Too bad it will never happen. Kind of like the FAIR TAX.
  • Good for them...
    Going down the right mountain, but headed down the wrong path.

    Even this is a passive move with little leadership.
    They are putting feelers out to see what the political ramifications will be.
    Ignoring laws is not leadership. Passing a blind eye(for now) does nothing of value long term.
  • Useless war on drugs
    It's about time. This is one of the few things Obama has done that makes any sense. The war on drugs is a waste of money that spends even more money to put otherwise non-violent people in jail.
    Not to mention that the government does not own the bodies of it's citizens, and they can do what they want with their bodies as long as it does not harm another person.
    I think that drug users are idiots, but I don't want my tax money spent preventing them to do something stupid that they are going to do anyway.
    Another aspect of the "war on drugs" is that is has given the government way too much power in the name of fighting drugs. No knock raids and other abuses of the Bill of Rights are directly attributed to this so called war on drugs.
  • Drug prohibition
    Alcohol, the most abused drug of all is legal because the costs of prohibition were far greater than its benefits. It resulted in black markets, organized crime and police and political corruption. It was repealed after 10 years. Drug prohibition has resulted in the same consequences as alcohol prohibition yet remain in effect for well over 70 years.

    For those that support the drug war, if alcohol prohibition did not work and was repealed, why do you think drug prohibition will work?

    It is time we treat drug abuse as a health issue, not a criminal one. We don't arrest alcoholics unless they are a danger to others, so why arrest other drug users?
  • Good first step
    The war on drugs is the 2nd longest failed war in America, right behind the war on poverty. Recent escalation of this war in both Mexico and here has led to large increases in violent crime along the border. Any steps to end this ridiculous war should be applauded.
  • Something I can agree with the Administration on. I do agree with John though, they will most likely find a way to spend the same amount of money anyway.
  • It's all about control
    A drugged population is easier to control -- and to manipulate.
  • End to war on drugs
    There are a finite number of idiots with addictive personalities that will become druggies. It is unlikely that our current laws deter many of these people, so if drugs were legal, the unmber of users would not go up much IF attendant to legalization a propaganda campaign was launched ridiculing druggies, making it very uncool.

    There are things that should not be done for profit, among which are distribution of addictive drugs. Set up unpleasant despensing locations. Give the stuff away to registered users. Have a nasty guy, (a fired postal or DMV employee) in a skeleton suit, behind a bullet proof glass shield despense twice the lethal dose at a time to registered users who must provide good ID. Atmosphere of these despensing locations is important. Always have a line. Have a pool of stale urine in one corner, maybe the corpse of the latest OD in another.

    Spend half the saved enforcement and incarceration money on the drug supply and drug treatment, put thother half back in the treasury.

    Manufacture or buy the drugs on the world market, seeking out the lowest price. Put the drug dealers out of business by taking most of the money out of the transactions.

    Our black population would benefit first and most. With no money to be made in the drug trade, the status attendant to being a drug dealing thug would be gone. With no money required to get a fix, much of the motivation for theft and prostetution would be gone as would be the motivation for the violence required to protect drug selling turf. The corrosive gheto culture would be dealt a blow.

    Benefits would be world wide. Third world drug corruption would be reduced improving governance.

    Tom Horne
  • Where's the benifit?
    1. Frees up prison cells for real criminals. We will need to build fewer prisons and we will be safer.

    2. Frees up the police to go after real criminals. And we might not need as many policemen.

    3. Frees up courts and we could get back to speedy trials.

    4. Tax the horsesqueeze out of the drugs. Put most back towards drug education/rehabilitation.

    5. Makes it harder for kids to get their hands on. It's now easier for kids to get drugs than alcohol.

    6. Takes the gang's income (and power)away from them while providing legal jobs for law abiding citizens.

    And I could go on and on and on...
  • War on drugs
    I respectfully disagree with Neal's stance that drugs should be legalised. (I know I'm not going to convince him.) If the war on drugs is being fought in the wrong way, (like the war in Iraq?), it can and should be retooled. Neal's view is that the war is too destructive. But the drugs themselves are hideously dangerous and destructive. I mean crack, meth etc. Make simple posession of pot a misdemeanor? O.K. But what is a hard-core crack-head going to do when he runs out of money to buy his drug legally? Get rehab? That would be rational. But addictive behavior is simply not rational behavior. Furthermore, the drug dealers are BAD guys. We need to be able to lock them up to protect society. We can't just legalise anything that's difficult to deal with.
  • I'll believe it when I see it. They need the war on drugs to keep up the war on guns.
    Check this article:http://www.reason.com/news/show/133198.html
    Maybe it's an apeasment?
  • war on drugs
    It's about time this administration did something that makes sense. Making drugs illegal is ridiculous. The people taking drugs are harming no body but themselves. The fact that they are illegal is what makes them terrible. It's just like alcohol and cigarettes. We can make those drugs legal and tax them but we cant make the others? Marijiuana and the hemp plant would revolutionize the paper industry. There are so many products that can be made from hemp and hemp is the plant without THC, yet it is illegal because it can create more products cheaper than its competitors. There's more to it, but I'm not going to write an essay on it here.
  • About time...
    It's about time we killed this "War on Drugs". It's highly probably that we have endangered or killed more lives than we would have saved given the mission at hand. The will be the first piece of legislation that the Obama administration will enact that will make any sense at all.

    However, there are two things I dislike about this coming from an Obama term. Firstly, even though the funding will save heavily on wasted government expenditures, this administration will just find other social programs or welfare concepts to use the savings on (and call it an "investment"). The other thing that is unattractive about this is the fact that it will give Obama plenty of momentum going into his next campaign and will reinforce the Democratic stronghold in Congress during the next election.

    Bottom line...let's do it and find a way to enact the FairTax...we will have made a huge leap forward if this can be done.
  • Good and Bad
    I'm distrustful of "treating" such people, especially if Government is overseeing it as I'm not convinced such people can be "cured" but recognizing that "cocaine is cocaine" and ceasing to waste money on raiding technically legal clinics seems reasonable enough.
  • War on Drugs
    We spend billions of dollars on this annually; eliminating the WOD would free up that money, keep non-violent offenders out of prison, and eliminate the black market that fuels the violence.
    It only makes sense.
  • They'll still finda a way to spend the same or more money doing that, so where's the benefit?
  • Prohibition
    They still don't acknowledge that prohibition is 1) Unconstitutional, and 2) antithetical to FREEDOM.
    At least the pusillanimous step they are proposing to take is in the right direction.
  • We don't win wars anyway
    why would this one be any different?

    Save the money. Use it to CLOSE THE BORDER!!!
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