Try this link on if you want a good read, and a truer sense of Churchill and torture.
http://www.claremontconservative.com/2009/01/what-would-winston-churchill-do-hackery.html
Also you might want to look into the torture of Kenyans condoned by Churchill by during the Mau Mau rebellion. Apparently Presbo's grandfather was caught up in this; so his remarks concerning Churchill's attitude on torture should have rung a different tune tonight.

Grand Theft Auto
Is it just me or did I just witness a crime committed - and a FELONY at that. The odd thing about this crime was how it came down. As I stood back and watched the thieves move in, the owner simply handed these thugs the keys to his car and stood quietly on the sidewalk as his property was driven out of the driveway. Compounding my confusion was the discovery that the owner never reported the crime. I searched the news for headlines like; "Car Theft Ring Strikes Again", or "Growing Number Of Theft Victims Left Stranded" but found nothing. Then yesterday I came upon the following WorldNetDaily post.........


Posted: April 28, 2009
10:41 pm Eastern

© 2009 WorldNetDaily

Under the plan being developed by GM's current chief executive, Fritz Henderson, the United Auto Workers would end up owning 39 percent of the restructured GM, with the UAW agreeing to take common stock instead of cash to pay off half the $20.4 billion that GM owes the UAW workers fund to pay pension and health benefits to retired GM workers, according to The Wall Street Journal.

The plan also calls for the U.S. Treasury to give GM an additional $11.6 billion in bailout loans, on top of the $15.4 billion the government has already given.

In return, the Treasury expects to pick up at least half the ownership of GM, as payment for half the outstanding bailout funds that will total $27 billion by the time the deal is done.
So, when the deal is completed, GM will be 89 percent owned by the government and the union.

The clear losers are the current holders of GM stock and the creditors of GM.
So, if this crime is not a crime and the theft of these automobiles is not a theft, then what is it? Well, it is something more dangerous than random street crime. It is even more terrifying than organized crime. I am afraid it is the beginning of..................

FASCISM (Webster)
1: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control fascism and brutality.

Just a permanent reminderof a temporary in sanity. :)

55% for the UAW with bailout money from the gov.? Now it will NEVER fail. Too big for the gov to let it fail AND they need to keep the union vote. Hmmmm...if my money wasn't in there I'd say let the uaw have the company and see how long it lasts. Parasites can't feed off itself for too long.

Just a question:
If a Muslim gets the swine flu is he considered unclean and is it a violation of Sharia?

I hear the crickets once again as everyone hopes Sean Hannity's offer to undergo waterboarding will just go away. Your leader said he'd do it. You people should help him be the Great American you all tell him is by donating money to his cause. He wants to be waterboarded. He needs your donations people. Don't let him down.

Really? Believe that life will be stress free once the Government has complete control of all of your affairs.

Let the government determine what job assignment you are to have for your useful life, let's make it dog scat collector.

Let the Government determine your salary and how far you can advance in both pay and job responsibility.

Let the Government control food availability, you will still be required to stand in line and pay with your wages.

Let the Government determine health services you have access to and when services shall be denied.

Alcoholism and drug use was rampant in Russia, a cheap escape from their reality.

If those people in the Soviet Union lived a wonderful life, why do that?

Oh, and by the way, what Soviet Union?

That's right...it ended with parestroika!

You sure are desperate to get my attention, son.

Hey everyone, I'm soo cool and original that I used Gavin Volaire as my screen name only I screwed up 'cause I'm an idiot and spelled it Gavun. But don't you guys just looooooove me? Joyce???? Are you watching how awesome I am????? I made fun of someone's screen name again!!!

I know some here like to draw "sides" and name Neal's loyal followers vs. those of us with brains but every time Club-a-Lib-Hater posts, you all must cringe. That loser is one of yours, Hannity fans! LOL.

Neal, the reason we voted for Obama is because we believe that the Constitution is obsolete. It's time to embark upon the Communist Manifesto and enjoy the freedom of having our government handle all affairs of our lives so we live stress free. Remember the Soviet Union? Those people lived a wonderful life under government control.

Any updates on when great American, Sean Hannity, will raise money for families of our troops by being waterboarded for charity?

I hear Olberman is offering $1,000 for every second he lasts. Easy money, Sean! And taking it from that leftie will twice as nice! Hannity must be dying to set this up.

This COULD work, or it could turn badly. It would be in the union's best interest to properly run the company so it makes a profit and save their own jobs and benefits. What else would they do, bleed it till it dies and hope they can get a job at Ford?

In Atlas Shrugged John Galt quit working for a automobile manufacturer because the owners basically went Marxist.

Do you think the unions might do something similar?

And here's a scary point: now any additional government bailouts for Chrysler will go directly to the UAW. How convenient. Coincidence? I think not.

and do they all remember the parable of the goose that laid the golden eggs? If so, Chrysler will be in good hands and there is NO conflict of interest. If not, bye-bye Chrysler.

If you think that's bad, apparently they're looking at buying into GM as well in one of the restructuring plans.

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/04/28/uaw-to-get-39-of-gm-obama-administration-50/

The *potential* for this to work is good. I agree with your assessment of the reality of it, however: Madmen running the asylum.

I've been waiting for something like this for quite a while. I figured it was inevitable that at some point a union would actually be put in charge of a company. Chrysler is toast, and somehow the union will still come up with a way to blame it on evil rich Republicans.

John Wayne put it perfectly... like putting monkeys in charge of a banana tree.

This conflict of interest is doomed to failure. On one side the UAW's purpose is to increase wage and benefits to their members.
On the other side they will now have to make and maintain Chrysler in the black.

What we have here is an example of monkeys when they are in charge of a banana tree.

It will appear good until all the assets are gone.