Can waterboarding be torture if you subject yourself to it willingly? Just like Mr. Hitchens, the muslims who get waterboarded have a choice. If they don't want to be waterboarded, don't get caught trying to kill Americans.

My fear is that these techniques will one day be used against dissenters. If this HS report defines conservatives, etc.. as potential threats could these techniques then be used against Americans? I don't trust Obama with this, nor any future leader.

So we allow muslims to cut off body parts of their own children, but we can't turn down their air conditioning?

Water boarding, smoke inhaltion, being naked, immersed in cold water, stress positions, insult slapping, standing for long periods of time, verbal intimidation, being confined in claustrophobic boxes were all part of SERE training that all US airmen undergo during SERE School (Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape) to prepare them for being shot down behind enemy lines. I personally experienced all of this over a five day period with no food and little water, as part of my training as a Naval Aviator in 1977, and believe me it was very real! If it is not so bad as to be used on our own soldiers and sailors, why is it so bad for peple who threaten real harm to our security? My understanding is that they took these techniques from what was developed and already being used from the different SERE schools used in the various military services. I very much appreciated knowing what I might expect and how I might handle and deal with it. Now we have given the enemy our playbook, with the release of the memos by Obama. so they can similary train their own people!

waterboarding is not torture, but watching President Obama destroy this country one day at a time is,,,,,,,,,torture!!!

so lets hear about how Al-Qaeda was thwarted!Give up all our secrets,then we can use Al-Qaeda's methods!My God, what a crock!The Intel field agents are really put into a helluva position now,thanks to some real morons in our govt!Is Obama gonna tell us everytime he wipes his arse?

The Liberal outrage about torture is really about a vendetta against Bush, and Cheney. They don't care 2 cents about the issue.... the "real" issue is appeasing their total, irrational hatred for Bush, and Cheney. That is what this is really about. They see it as revenge. Of course the same sort of thing occured under Clinton, and for a period of time under Obama. That is irrelevant. it's destroy Bush/Cheney... they have been licking their lips for such an opportunity. Liberals are the most hate filled, hate controlled people alive. Liberalism is a cancer of the brain. a rot... that spreads to the eyes, and ears to prevent perception of reality... it then blackens the heart, and consumes it with hatred for anyone who doesn't fall in step with their nefarious agenda. Think not? just watch video of Hillary, or Nancy Pelosi, Frank, etc.. on one of their tyrannical rants about christians, Republicans, southerners, etc...

I cannot fathom the mindset that would lead someone to consider that torture. Waterboarding is a trick, designed to coerce someone without physically harming them. If we cannot entertain the logic in doing this thing, which is humane compared to actual torture, while in an unorthodox war with terrorists and geurrilla combatants (who are non-compliant with all things that would afford them benefits of the Geneva Convention), I cannot see that we are strong enough as a nation now to defend ourselves against the barbarians out there who have no qualms whatsoever about inflicting REAL torture upon humanity.

And it is maddening to read comments from those who cannot understand the difference between what may or may not be done to a citizen, a peacable foreigner, or even an uniformed combatant, and what can and has always been allowable or even expected in cases of terrorists, non-uniformed combatants , or even traitors caught in-theater.

I'll be thinking of poor Christopher Hitchens' nightmares the next time I am choked out in MMA (mixed martial arts) sparring. Oh, the humanity.

any rules and laws in the constitution or the Geneva convention do NOT! apply to terrorists... the Geneva convention is in force to protect countries uniformed soldiers ......do terrorists abide by law or ethics?. i certainly want everything done to protect my family and friends from extremists that sole purpose to kill innocent Americans

I keep seeing the words Geneva Convention brought up. The GC has nothing to do with this. These people are not a part of a national standing army - they are TERRORISTS. They blow their own people up. They don't care about the rest of the world. They want the non-Muslim world DEAD. Do you people not understand this ?

I saw "up close and personal" torture techniques in Viet Nam, waterboarding is NOT torture !

"You're going to have to come up with another example of how dragging the honor and reputation of the US down to the level of the scum we're fighting is a fair trade.
By Alabamastan"
KSM revealed much more than simply VERIFYING the plot on Los Angeles.

How's this example: When Obama decides to release the REST of the documents that reveal all of the plots and attacks that were stopped. Until then, I wouldn't lose any sleep.

...is not torture. Loud music, stress positions, tying, etc are not torture. Abu Grhaib was not torture. Driving drill bit through a kneecap is torture, suspending by the wrists behind the back is torture, cutting off one joint at a time with gargen shears is torture; each technique used by AQI in various regions in Iraq on Iraqi citizens not for the purpose of extracting information, but to cause pain and suffering for the sole purpose of terrorizing a populace.

What many misunderstand is that the levels of interrogation start with simple techniques and moderately evolve into more stringent levels as the subject shows the promise of having useful information and is subjective to applications of different techniques. No one is simply selected for aggressive interrogation...the screening process is long and detailed and aggressive techniques are applied only after the determination is made to the probability of success. These techniques work...torture is not always successful. The US does not actively engage in "torture"...sorry you bedwetters...but no operative I have ever known simply decides to cause excessive pain and suffering just for the hell of it. As a matter of fact, I have never seen excessive pain and suffering...and for the record, yes, I have been waterboarded, interrogated, roughed up to a degree and subjected to other aggressive techniques that would make some of you cringe because you would call them "torture".

...beats having your fingernails pulled out, teeth drilled or smashed, eyes seared, fingers and toes smashed, joints broken, genitals nailed or electified, skin burned, skin cut or flayed...(have seen all of this in such places as Guatemala, Iraq, Columbia, Syria)

Sam, they may work at night. Not everyone works 0900 - 1700.

And, we're supposed to feel sorry for those Islamic terrorists who are out to kill the non-muslims, why? It's better to get information from them before more of us (non-muslims) are killed. If they die during the process, oh well, they wanted to be a martyr anyway.

the only scary part about it is youre blindfolded, and in their case they dont have a clue as to exactly what is happening..that is until our wonderful powers that be elected a!@ h#$% elected officials decided to let the cat outta the box.what a bunch of poli-chickens..its not like were strapping them down and putting a hole in the bottom of a bucket allowing a drop of water to plop them in the head until it either bores a hole through their skull or makes them insane.aka chineese torture treatment..or slicing you up with a dull razor blade and using the mist on a spray bottle filled with alcahol to aid in healing. or like cutting youre finger nails back and sticking tooth picks under them till blood starts to run like a stream..water boarding is or at least was very effective up until like all good things which come to an end..washington poli-chickens stuck their nose into the buisness of extracting intel.. and as we all know these elected officials have very little intel of a different variety..I myself went waterboarding nearly 15 years ago as a part of my military training and would rather go water boarding than be a part of the other methods i mentioned..just a thought..

What is obvious is that if the tables had been turned, this 7th-century savage KSM would have been chopping our heads off while making a video of it. Irresponsible grandstanding on the left is to be ignored, these people don’t know -or don’t want to know- what it takes to keep America safe... nor do they understand the nature of the enemy, apparently.

And waterboarding is not a near-drowning technique- the subject is never in danger of drowning. Water boarding is not torture- there is no physical harm to the subject.

Kahlid Sheikh Mohammed is a BAD guy, wouldn’t talk, and was taunting US interrogators with “you’ll see”… so they obtained valuable info from him using this technique, which we now find-out prevented a 9/11-scale attack on Los Angeles. Who cares how many times it took?

It was up to him how long before he decided to cooperate, didn’t have to be this way- looks like he clung stubbornly to a bad decision.

http://reaganiterepublicanresistance.blogspot.com

Copyleft your false arguments are sad.

It's against the law to take property from a U.S. citizen. - Unless you are "government". Taxes and seizure of property.

You cannot kidnap citizens, kill them, detain them, or punish them. - Unless you are the "government". Jail, judges, police, etc.

You know not of what you speak, Copyleft.

For now, criminals in the U.S. will be detained, pinned down, pepper sprayed, chained, etc for the protection of it's citizens. Not doing the same to terrorists would be violating the LAW!

Go volunteer working at a jail, so that you can see into the mind some of the worlds trash. Especially the felons.

The chronology doesn't work out. Sorry. Below is an excerpt from Timothy Noah's explanation at SLATE:

"In a White House press briefing, Bush's counterterrorism chief, Frances Fragos Townsend, told reporters that the cell leader was arrested in February 2002, and "at that point, the other members of the cell" (later arrested) "believed that the West Coast plot has been canceled, was not going forward". A subsequent fact sheet released by the Bush White House states, "In 2002, we broke up a plot by KSM to hijack an airplane and fly it into the tallest building on the West Coast." These two statements make clear that however far the plot to attack the Library Tower ever got—an unnamed senior FBI official would later tell the Los Angeles Times that Bush's characterization of it as a "disrupted plot" was "ludicrous"—that plot was foiled in 2002. But Sheikh Mohammed wasn't captured until March 2003."

Bush's own administration claimed to have broken up the plot before KSM was ever captured. You're going to have to come up with another example of how dragging the honor and reputation of the US down to the level of the scum we're fighting is a fair trade.

Seriously? You think that they wouldn't use it on us even if we all object to it? You're arguing now that our government is illegally torturing people and your counter is that if we don't stop it, our country will illegally torture people.

So let me get this straight... There's nothing I can do to prevent the government from torturing me if they want to. After all, it's already illegal right? :)

Well, what proof do we have that they would actually stop. This proves that you don't have a grasp on reality. Israel was told the attacks would stop if they moved out of Gaza. So... at Bush's prodding (among others) Israel moved out of the Gaza. What happened? Terrorist moved in and used that land to launch more attacks on Israel.

Our enemy is committed to killing you because you are not a Muslim and don't want to become one. They lie to give some pathetic political justification to weak nations and people so they have less of an uphill battle to fight.

Come on, you aren't really that stupid are you? "If you just give me this land, I won't take any more." History repeats and repeats and repeats.

Let's start fighting a real evil instead of the force for good.

Most of you bedwetters talking about who should go to jail and moral high ground and torture doen't work don't have a clue and are simply repeating you some talking head say on TV.
Let me make it simple, these SCUMBAGS use torture to make people affraid, we use it to stop them. Most of you liberals prove two things, you still want to get even for Clinton being impeached and when you can't keep up with real life and when all else fails, call people names.
A lot of you liberal morons are the reason that crime is as bad as it is, you won't hurt someone who needs it.

I live by this code: "I as nice as you let me be or as nasty as you make me"

You worry about the civil rights of these animals, but you don't give a damn that they have taken the rights away from people. When they quit hurting people, we quit hurting them, problem solved.

AND IT KEEPS GETTING FUNNIER

According to

http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20070523.html

The plan to fly an airplane into a building in LA was thwarted in 2002. How is this possible if they didn't know about the attack until after they waterboarded KSM in March of 2003?

How about forced sex changes? Turn Abdul into Abdulla (or whatever the feminine is) and release them back to their counrty of origin. I'll bet we have to do this ONCE, and then the implied threat would be enough to get them to (to steal a line from "Dragnet" ala Dan Akyroid) "Sing like Beverly Sills"!

All I can think when I see that 183 number is......



Quitters.

So when we waterboard someone we are being like them...so you equate running water in someone's face as equal as sawing someone's head off?

...this time coming through the Mexican border, Obama will say the same thing Bush's mentality indicated. Lets expand the Federal Government and ignore the fact that U.S foreign policy in the middle east is causing blowback and helping the terrorists with their cause and recruitment numbers. It'll be a good opportunity to convince the American people that 3rd world countries with no standing armies have the ability to threaten and destroy America, and our government education system will render them too stupid to figure out the logistics of that; or how to even locate middle eastern countries on a map.

Different president same neo-conservative dislogic and anti-Americanism.

you want us to be just like them?

i've read more of the koran than anybody i know. if you want to know what i think of them go here --->http://www.cafepress.com/tshirtdoctor/1858005

That the people on this board, and other RW zombies, are in favor of torture not as a means of extracting information, but as punishment for crimes (or, in some cases, "alleged" crimes).

If someone murdered a close family member or friend, I would personally want to inflict serious pain on the culprit (to use a phrase from Pulp Fiction - I'd want to go medieval on his ass).

But amidst my urges, I know I live in a nation of laws and moral standards. No one is above the law of this great country, regardless of what tragedy we have had to face.

Well, he has a point. The fifth amendment specifically states that "no person" can be compelled to testify against their self, and gathering intelligence via torture is in effect compelling an individual to divulge knowledge which implicates them in a crime or conspiracy.

Now, I disagree with him on the kid in a box scenario… you’d best believe I’d be going all Jack Bauer on someone if my kid was locked in a box.

That said, there is a world of difference between a private citizen risking his freedoms by breaking the law in an act of torture, and having a government-sanctioned program for torture.

To put it bluntly and as simply as possible, I do not feel that government-sanctioned torture is legal in any circumstance. Now, if someone feels so compelled to torture someone at the risk of their own freedom, that is their call.

Steven has a different opinion, but it is no more wrong than the opinion of anyone else who slings mud at him.

On a side note - ::crosses fingers:: PLEASE let Sean Hannity do an investigative journalism piece on water boarding… I’d love to see him try it out! ...183 times

Liberals are always telling us that there is no such thing as American exceptionalism that everyone is the same everywhere and an Iraq, member of Hamas, etc are every bit as important and equal to any American...except when it comes to waterboarding or turning up the music...then suddenly we are better than they are and must demonstrate it by being nice to people who want to cut our heads off. I personally don't care about the terrorists comfort or even their continued lives.

I just lose it when these bleeding hearts whine about losing the moral high ground.Get a clue OUR ENEMY HAS ITS OWN IDEA OF MORAL HI-GROUND AND IT IS TO DESTROY YOU, YOUR WAY OF LIFE, SUBJGATE THE ENTIRE WORLD UNDER ISLAMIC LAW. Do any of you idiots read the koran?? It spells it out very clearly.I really find it amazing that the same people who are willing to kill to save a whale,a tree,or a lab rat do not understand or believe an islamic terrorist who plainly states WHAT HE INTENDS TO DO.You idiots are freaking out over pacificist christians praying in school but heres a religion that wants to destroy you for not beliving in their god.You don't even see who the real theart is cause most liberals don't believe anyone takes god seriously. ...and hey COPYLEFT: "NATION OF LAWS.."?? since when has the left let a little thing like the law stand in the way,you guys are experts at ignoring laws if it suits.I mean whats a voter fraud law doing restricting my right to steal and election or how about tax laws that don't apply if Obama wants you to work for him, sh*t!, the list is endless! So don't preach about "nobody gets to break the law".The law is just another tool to use to enforce,bend,break or club your opponent over the head with so give me a frickin' break.

I'd torture Santa Claus if I though he had information that would save the life of one of my family members.

Torture may not be a reliable method. But, I guess I'll just have to take that risk.

if you want us to join with pol pot in the Torture's Games of 2010.

if he was alive, he would enjoy this, it would gain him some respectabity in the tortures hail of fame.

"i'm not a torturer, the US did it, too."

why do they want to bomb our cities? oh yeah, because we have troops in saudi ababia. you want to know what our government could to stop the terrorists? bring the troops home. but our government won't do that. it cares less about our citizens the the royal family of saudi arabia.

What a wuss. I assume that the CIA does a little better job than these guys. My towel is more wet when i step out of the shower than what these guys did.

good grief, people, can you keep it in english please? it's enough of a pain in the a$$ to moderate your comments, don't add using a translator into it. don't be surprised if i start ignoring non-english comments...

You are an idiot with no common sense. I really hope that you did not breed, and if you did i will pray for your children.

Entiendo las palabras pero no entiendo lo que quieres decir. As the son of legal Spanish speaking immigrants, I don’t need software.

I don’t see how implying that the failure to use torture will result in the need to speak Spanish.

And don’t preach to me about the Little Engine that could…I was fortunate enough to grow up watching a father who was a living example of the story.

Furthermore, don’t confuse me with Copyleft’s crowd. I was raised believing that complaining does not improve one’s situation…hard work does.

The torture used against slimeballs like Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and Muhammed Hussein abu Zubaida proves you are wrong. The information we got resulted in successfully thwarting innurmerable attacks.
Waterboarding Khalid Shaikh Mohammad Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on Los Angeles
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=46949

Zayn Abidin Muhammed Hussein abu Zubaida, the first high-ranking al-Qaeda member captured after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, broke in less than a minute after he was subjected to the technique and began providing interrogators with information that led to the disruption of SEVERAL planned attacks.

Until they were caught, they were in the process of killing as many infidels as possible for “Allah”.

I can’t seem to muster up a whole lot of angst over the CIA’s dunking of those scumbag SOBs.

Goodness gracious, even the liberal WaPo acknowledges the success:

Specifically, interrogation with enhanced techniques “led to the discovery of a KSM plot, the ‘Second Wave,’ ‘to use East Asian operatives to crash a hijacked airliner into’ a building in Los Angeles.” KSM later acknowledged before a military commission at Guantanamo Bay that the target was the Library Tower, the tallest building on the West Coast. The memo explains that “information obtained from KSM also led to the capture of Riduan bin Isomuddin, better known as Hambali, and the discovery of the Guraba Cell, a 17-member Jemmah Islamiyah cell tasked with executing the ‘Second Wave.’ ” In other words, without enhanced interrogations, there could be a hole in the ground in Los Angeles to match the one in New York.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/20/AR2009042002818.html

You liberal pansies are so wrapped around the axle over the poor, hapless muslim terrorists. There’s a few things you overlooked: What got them a trip to GITMO and the knowlege of terrorist plots endangering thousands of people. I get your mindset, though: Leaving them to commit acts of terrorism is okay, using methods to extract that information, is “immoral”. That’s a good example of “moral relativism”.

I can hardly wait to witness the meltdown you’ll have along with the rest of the leftwing moonbat brigade, when you finally realize that Obama won’t prosecute anyone, because he can’t. Aside from the fact that several members of the Democratic Party knew about the interrogation methods,
Obama knows that if he allows prosecution he will have to release the classified information gleaned from the interrogations, which will prove they were sucessful. Instead, he’ll try to politicize the intelligence because the truth would be inconvenient. The whole attempt to blame Bush and denounce what turned out to be productive interrogations, will blow up in his face. Even a dunce like him can figure that out.
I don’t give a damn if they have to force feed a terrorist swine an ocean full of water to get information. The tactic works. It saves American lives.

because we're supposed to be better than them

Seriously... they have to stop. We can't get info from them if he's dead or if his mouth is full of water. The whole idea is to get him to talk so it defeats the purpose if you don't stop when the rods are dropped or the words said.

BTW, ppl have always said that this would be a recruiting tool for terrorists. Can anybody point to one terrorist who actually signed up because his brother got tortured by us? Can you point to one who signed up because they'd like to be tortured if caught? Seriously.

Please, remind me where the Constitution says that non-citizens have the same rights as citizens? Seriously. Get over it. Our rights do not universally apply to non-citizens. If they did, they would already be getting welfare.

Oh... wait... Crap... they do. Well... Let's get back to the Constitution which doesn't say we can do that. Heck, it doesn't even support the idea of welfare!

what was that? 30 seconds? Seriously. He's fine. He panicked. That's EXACTLY what we want people to do. I mean... it's not supposed to be fun you know?

All this shows me is that the technique works and that great care is taken to ensure that the victim isn't actually harmed.

Put him under, bring him up, put him back under a minute later... I don't have a problem with it.

If a tiny handful of truly evil men were made uncomfortable to save countless American lives, I don't have much of a problem with it. This isn't a game, this is survival.

Wake up Americans! So what if these spineless, gutless, hateful scumbags are tortured? Their sole purpose in life is to kill innocents and cause disruptions. If the likes of KSM and Bin Laden are waterboarded or subject to electrocution a million times, it will be a million times too little. Why is there even a debate?

Of course torture works, that's why it is still used. If torture didn't work they would have figured it our thousands of years ago. Everyone has a breaking point. This wimpy little excuse for torture is just one of the most humane ways to get a prisoner to his. 30 years ago a complaint like this would be laughed at by the general populace. I had a friend in law enforcment (retired many years back). Early in his career he extradited a prisoner to Mexico. Apparently he was a pretty hardened fugitive that had some info that the Mexican government wanted. They tied him up in a chair and the interrogator asked for a six pack of warm cokes. The prisoner refused to talk. The interrogator shook up a coke and opened it and shot the foam up the prisoners nose. By the second can he was singing like a bird. These are the kinds of things other countries have available at a local level without a second thought. We on the other hand have given the crimminals rights apon rights at the expense of the rights of the victims.

Even if my child was locked in a fiberglass box and the only way to save was to torture someone, I would never in my life torture that person!!! Never!!

Why?

Here's why:

Fifth Amendment of the Constitution
for the United States

It says NO PERSON shall be shall be COMPELLED in ANY criminal case to be a witness against himself.

ANYONE that support torture is not a supporter of the Constitution! Remember that!

If you believe that water boarding is a valid and humane interrogation technique then perhaps you would mind if the government uses it in other cases as well. For example, it could be used when the police suspect that they've captured a serial killer and they want him to confess. This will undoubtedly save many many lives. Or perhaps it could be used when someone is trying to bring down the US government by not paying his fair share of taxes. After all, it's not torture it's simply interrogation and police have the duty to interrogate suspects.

Keep in mind that when you give your government extra power then that power may be used against you at some later point in time.

So you have translation software? And you still can't figure out the point? Well, dear, there is just no hope for you then. You struggle with the moral of "the little engine that could" too, didn't you?

"I also know that to take away the torture option is to severly hinder the field Commanders ability to gain data as in an Urban environment like Iraq."

Tell that do David Petraeus, who gave explicit orders against any of these techniques.

Yeah, that Petraeus. What a wuss.

Nice use of translation software, mariquita.

What is your point?

Holding someone's head underwater so they can't breathe is certainly torture. Waterboarding is basically the same thing.

And torture is illegal. If you think it shouldn't be illegal, change the law. Until that point, the law must be upheld.

Too funny that he obamabots are ok with their obamamessiah blowing the brains out of 3 teenagers, but are horrified with a little water to the face.

Don't be stupid, go read the "rest of the story". Perry said that was not an option at this time.

Under the scenario Neal presents, the assumption is that the subject "knows" something, if that is the case, then it's that person's choice not to tell, so to use whatever means necessary to gather that information is justified. That's not torture, it's information gathering.
Now, on the other hand, if that person doesn't have any information to give, then it is torture and torture is wrong!

¿Alguien ahí sabe qué Copyleft hace para una vida? Como Copyleft seguro hace el derecho mucho para ser un miembro productivo de la sociedad. Su bien aunque, bajo la administración Obama, alguien pueda ser una basura de carga libre del espacio debido a aquellos de nosotros que realmente tenemos un trabajo. Mi apuesta es que Copyleft se sienta en casa en la computadora de la mamá que todo el día trata de hacer amigos. O tal vez usted vive en los proyectos. Por favor responda, Copyleft. Es decir si usted puede leer este. Causa si usted no puede, pues usted es introuble!

Struggling? Get used to it, Copyleft!

I sincerely hope we torture terrorists for LAUGHS, if not information. I mean...even CIA guys gotta have a laugh sometime, right?

Lets keep this very very simple. Don't become a terrorist and murder people. If you don't then you won't have to experience this. Too many people feel pitty for those people that are being interrogated but what about the families and people these terrorists have murdered? Where is the pitty for them? Where is the compassion for them? What about saving lives? If humanity is so important, what about those that have died at the hands of these savages?

There is an inherent flaw to the question of whether torture should be used on one person to save thousands. The question assumes that it is known that the person has credible information.

In the real world, you don't always get the luxury of knowing for sure that the person has the information. You have to torture repeatedly to test whether the information gained will change under stress.

This does not mean that there can't be effective interrogation techniques that don't cross the line.

I know we have a few weak kneed emotionally charged leftists on this forumn who dont approve of torture, No one likes it for sure but I also know that you cant go to a fist fight and play tag. Reality is a Mother sometimes but life is hard. I also know that to take away the torture option is to severly hinder the field Commanders ability to gain data as in an Urban environment like Iraq. Usually the implied threat of torture will get them to talk.
SEMPER FI

I fully agree with your assessment Neal! The problem is, some people (mostly government educated and smokers to boot) can't grasp the concept that the absence of something is a tangible effect of the prevention methods. These people will tell that their annual flu shot is the only thing that kept them from ever getting the flu, but will turn around and say "How do we know there would have been another attack without waterboarding?" Open your eyes people!

Water boarding would be too nice if someone had buried my child alive.

Gonads and vice grips. Nuff said.

I'll say this again - and you'll groan again - but if someone has information that could save thousands of lives, wouldn't you do anything you could to get that information?

Firstly, how often do we catch 'the' guy that has all the info we need? How do you 'know'? For all the people we have waterboarded, sodomized with foreign objects, killed by accident in 'interrogation' how many stopped another 9/1l? I also ask this. Let's send your 18 year old kid to learn how to torture people, stack them naked in pyramids and see what it does when you teach kids how to torture and kill. You send your child to torture other humans and then you deal with the psychological damage from that. You deal with someone that thinks torture is justified for a 'greater good'. Neal daily humiliates us folks with mental health problems and tells us to go back to bed and cover our heads. Soon, more and more veterans with pstd from being tortured in our own military or from torturing other people is going to snap from the stress of heartless jerks trying to get a cheap laugh at their expense.

This sets a bad precedent when one administration goes after the previous in the courts.... When The One gets the boot, will his stooges be in danger of prosecution? Seems to me, the last act of any sitting president will have to be a blanket pardon for any acts during his term, to any and all on the payroll.

On O'Reilly last night they had two very bright guys that had served in military and were in groups that did research into interrogation. They said interrogation only works when the people you have imprisoned actually know something specific on a threat and you know they know something. Otherwise the prisoners say what you wanna hear and the two guys said most of the info they got from the prisoners was a wild goose chase and wasted resources. However, when we know specifics on prisoners then im all for beating info our of prisoners to saving lives.

This panty waste can't even hold his breath for 22 seconds. From the second the put the towel over his head (they haven't even poured the first splash of water) it's 22 seconds before he "throws" the metal devices he's holding. Oh and he was sooo stressed. Poor little baby.

But he does admit he'd betray his lover if someone wanted their name and put him through another grueling 22 seconds of this hell...

As some may suspect, I am not politically correct and my attitude regarding these procedures has 'evolved' over the years.

Sorry, TORTURE WORKS! Always has. The "Good Cop/Bad Cop" routine is based on implied problems if the perp does not come forward with required data. If you have two subjects you believe have information you need, you can use what they know about non-important things to trip one or both up. Demonstrate on one subject the penalties for lying, and generally the other will cooperate to prevent pain.

You can argue they "will say anything" to keep from hurting. Well, negative information is useful for future subjects as any intelligence analyst will tell you.

Also, if your enemies know there will be rigorous interrogations, they will cooperate sooner.

This is too small a media to discuss this. But, using aggressive interrogation methods on terrorists/guerillas/freedom fighters/irregulars always pays off by minimizing your own losses.