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o verbose one
How about limiting your response to 2,000 words or less next time?
You said: "Most experts as well as Boortz correctly identified that the economy will improve and we'll be out of this recession LONG before Obama's outrageous and damaging TAX and SPEND policies even hit."
That's bull. It's a blend of things people were discussing as possible -- some even said probable -- but most experts did not use the phrase "outrageous and damaging tax and spend policies" and furthermore there wasn't a consensus that we'd be out of the recession long before those policies hit. You cannot prove your claim because it's a blend of truth and bias designed to paint a picture that isn't true. When did all of these experts say the recession would end? Can you be a little more specific than long before O's policies? No, you can't. You're making a false claim and you got called on it. Get over it.
True, you didn't use Republicans. You carefully avoided it so you could compare so-called conservatives to Democrats (apples to oranges). This left you in the position of being able to blame one political party without even mentioning the other. That's bull, too.
You're all over the map, spouting off biased opinions while claiming you are merely reporting the facts. In one instance you admit both parties are to blame and in another say Democrats are responsible for this mess. Well which is? Both or one? I don't want to hear your weakass blaming Democrats until pressed, then admitting Republicans are also at fault. People like you would call you a waffler.
Take your act over to Hannity's website, they'll love you.
Spending
Let me see. George Bush's spending on non-defense items was 17% OF GDP. 4% above the norm. Obama's 2010 budget will bring non-defense spending to 30% of GDP....16% above the historical norm and then level off to between 22-24%. Democrats were screaming and a lot of independents like myself also that spending was out of control. So where is the screaming now about the $1,000,000,000,000.00 in debt we will add to the deficit each year for the next 7 years under Obama's new budget!!! Wake up America!!!!!
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6. And one final time for the slow. When did I say that Democrats are the "cause of our debt"? I didn't ... the Republicans were spending like drunken sailors, too (not to impune the honor of drunken sailors) ... But ... it is currently the Democrats that are dragging us toward more debt than this country has EVER seen ... 42,000 dollars for every man, woman, and child in the country. And for that the democrats are absolutely to blame. If you aren't part of the solution (and that includes the Republicans) then you're part of the problem. My point remains valid .. you CAN'T borrow and spend yourself into prosperity. Has the so-called credit crisis taught you nothing? The current democrats certainly aren't the only ones to blame for this mess ... but they almost universally are the only ones sticking their heads in the sand and hoping that the problems will just go away while they simultaneously add 12 trillion dollars to our national debt. If you don't want to "own" this brewing catastrophe and massive debt Democrats ... COOL ! I fully commend that you're interested in turning things around ... but start by telling those you elected to congress to grow up and start thinking about the good of the country and not their own selfish interests.
There ... I've said my piece ... and I said it with facts and as impassionately as possible ... I only hope you can read it the same way.
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3. Did I mention "Republicans" once in my note? No I didn't ... see what happens when you read carefully before spouting off Liberal balony? I'm probably about as much a fan of Bush and the Republicans as you are ... I SAID conservatives ... something both the Dems and the Repubs. can no longer claim. But while you're at it ... Yes as a matter of fact it WAS the democrats that caused this mess. Jimmy Carter by creating the Community Reinvestment Act, Bill Clinton for expanding it (even he admitted recently that that was a mistake - gotta give him credit for that anyway), and the Democrats in congress, notably Slobberin' Barney (Frank), for completely ignoring the impending meltdown warned about constantly by W. Bush, McCain, and even people inside the Democrat party. The Republicans (again not acting anything like true conservatives) certainly failed to stop it or be fiscally responsible themselves ... but that doesn't negate the responsibilty that clearly lies on the Dem's shoulders.
4. What experts? OK ... how about Alan Greenspan? How about Dave Ramsey? How about Jim Jubak? How about Suze Orman? Is that enough names or do I REALLY need to spend another 15 seconds and come up with a 1/2 dozen more names. Don't make a conspiracy out of nothing and do some simple research.
5. And again ... I made no mention of Republicans ... but since you brought it up ... yes ... historically TAX CUTS grow the economy and stabilize fluctuations. Ronald Reagan used that very policy to repair this country out of the mess that Jimmy Carter created in the 70s ... or are you not old enough or smart enough to remember when the best rates on mortgage were 25% ?
GV ... if only you could comprehend what you read...
Just a few thoughts and please TRY and follow me, even though I'll try to make it straightforward since you obviously are incapable of reading with comprehension.
1. I do use a "nickname" ... but I've used the same one since day one that I've responded to Boortz Nuze. Is Volaire truely your last name? Perhaps, but no way to prove that ... but regardless, it just doesn't matter. How is the fact that I use a "handle" any different than Copyleft, or any number of the billions of people that post to the internet. Sure I could say my name is Dave Ralph ... but does that mean anything to anyone other than those that know me? Bottom line .. who gives a damn on the "signature" ... is that the best you can do?
2. OK ... it may have been the largest 4 week gain in the market since 1933 ... but that is still hardly stellar compared to the fact that the market dropped 3,000 points from BO's inauguration to it's low point post inauguration. I'd venture to bet that that too is a record. You can crow all you like .. but when the DJIA tops 10,000, then you may be able to make a point ... or how about when the market just gets back to the point where it was before BO opens his mouth again the market tanks again.
Behold, Conservobot rhetoric!
And in the absolutely most classic play in the android playbook, we have the ever-present "All good things are ours, all bad things are theirs"!
DOW plummets after Obama is elected, continuing a trend solidly started under Bush and his cronies? This is obviously the market responding to Obama's socialist policies!
DOW experiences its greatest four-week period since 1933 during its "reacting to Obama's socialist policies"? Oh, no, that's just the market's natural flux and has nothing to do with Obama!
See kids? It's easy, and you can play at home! Every time something bad happens, blame it on Obama. Every time something good happens, claim Obama had nothing to do with it! FACTS NEED NOT AFFECT YOU!
DOW
Let me get this straight: The DOW goes down "I inherited this mess"
The DOW goes up: "All hail Lord Obama"
Right. How many months does he get to say the "I inherited (Fill in the blank)" line?
@By Laughing @ 04/03/09 12:32:23 PM
Stop imagining me changing my underwear, freak.
re: Improvement in Spite of Obama
Speaking of drivel, I guess when you get to choose your own nickname you can spout off a bunch of drivel of your own that shows how clueless and biased you are then refer to yourself as informed. Why not just call yourself John Holmes and see what majoc that brings (and let me know cause I'm next).
It wasn't a miniscule 1 week improvement. It was the largest 4 week gain since 1933. If you have half the money you had 18 months ago, why don't you set your bias aside for 10 seconds and name the culprit there? Lemme guess, is it the Dems in the House and Senate and none of the Republicans and certainly not Boy Goerge Bush? Is that what you're here selling?
Most experts said we'd be out of this recession long before Obama's tax and spend policies hit? Leave the passive voice out of it and name one. Give us a link, o great informed one. And while you're at it, any thoughts on the Republican policy of TAX CUT and SPEND? No problems there, huh?
But you're not done yet. You then isolate Democrats as the cause of our debt??????? That ship sailed years ago, my man. How can you call yourself informed while spouting off with that old Rush Limbaugh routine of pretending to believe one party is to blame?
Dow
GV, Go change your underwear, light up a joint, cash your disability check, buy a new tag for your home, make a payment on your sweetie's latest tattoo, and relax. You are going to get what you want.
Merely a thought
The DOW is being manipulated by a few investors that know they can in this market. Prices so low they can buy in quantity driving the price up some and sell in a few days (or weeks) and make a small killing driving the price back down and then repeating the process. I certainly would resources providing.
Or am I crazy?
@By Laughing @ 04/03/09 10:48:57 AM
Liberals have been in charge since 2006 just like they were for the 6 years before that. Head liberal of them all was your Boy George. Good to see you know better than to blame Democrats.
Dow
Considering the fact that the BASIS for the huge rise in the stock market is one half of what it once was,I think that this rise is pathetic.When it gets back to 13000 and we are back to square one,then you can call it a recovery. This is same line of thinking that Obama uses when he says he is going to cut the deficit in half after he quadruples it,you still end up with a deficit twice what it was. See,this is what happens when the ignorant vote.
Improvement in Spite of Obama
The economy showed a miniscule improvement this week (as measured by the DJIA for 1 week ... hardly conclusive given that myself and others still have HALF the money we had 1.5 years ago) but that is IN SPITE of Obama, not because of him. You dems need to actually read real expert opinions instead of being spoon fed the liberal drivel from the "news" media. Most experts as well as Boortz correctly identified that the economy will improve and we'll be out of this recession LONG before Obama's outrageous and damaging TAX and SPEND policies even hit. And once they do hit and start to destroy our economy and country ... you'll be incorrectly whining that it's the conservatives that are responsble. Your "Messiah" has submitted a budget that exceeds the spending of ALL presidents before him and will drive us into economic ruin ... and THAT is "Change you can believe in".
Cardinal Rule: You can't "borrow" yourself into prosperity. The rules don't change ... spend less than you make and save for the future, that's how to succeed in this world. When are the democrats going to understand that? It's Shameful what the democrats have managed to do to this country in less than 3 months.
Dow
Liberals have been in charge since 2006, when we began going in the toilet. The "Dow ball" has to bounce a bit or we can "pull the flush handle" now. The Democrats buying more time to destroy us.
Best Week
Who dreams this up. Has everyone forgot how much the market has plunged since The Big O was nominated. The press will praise the big O for the turn around and not explain it has nothing to do with him.
Best week?
Is it me? Or is it a coincidence that the best week occured when the Almighty Obama left the contry? Imagine how high it could be if he would stay over there...
Keep spending
Let's follow the 1933 formula and keep spending. That way, we can be assured of at least 7 more years of the economy in the doldrums. I recommend reading "The Forgotten Man" by Amity Shlaes which shows how policies that are eerily similar to Obama's actually prolonged the depression.
Who gets the credit, Neal?
If Bush was in office, you'd be claiming it was all his doing-are you going to give Obama some credit, or are you just going to find some way to say that something that Reagan did in 1984 changed the market today?
Can't have it both ways
Boortz, you waited 5 whole weeks before blaming Obama for the economy in general and the drop in the DJIA specifically so how can you now do anything but give him credit for the last 4 week period of growth? According to your thoughts last month, you should be calling for more of his plans, not less. Either cheer him on for his policies that are obviously directly responsible for the rise in the Dow or admit that giving him a failing grade after 5 weeks in office was disingenuous.
Best week?
Umm... I hate the spending plan, but I wouldn't get too excited about matching 1933 performance - Only 6 more years of Depression to go! woohoo!
Ahh yes, the Dow recovery
All of you folks who think the Dow responds solely to Obama: you may thank the President now.
Spending Plans
No. Don't you see that it's the HOPE associated with these plans and the CHANGE they will bring that is causing the good news. Get on board.
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