watch this if you have the attn span
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw

have a nice day

What you don't mention is that Obama is actually including the cost of fighting Bush's war in his budget, wheras Bush used emergency appropriations to avoid this.

That war, by the way, will end up costing around $2 trillion. The Republicans spend more than 4 times as much on destroying an arbitrary country than the Democrats spend on necessary (though not optimally structured) stimulus, and the Republicans whine. Even when it's the Republicans that caused the problems that necessitated the stimulus.

I just hope the Democrats don't listen. They're the only ones capable of bringing down the debt, as we saw with Bill Clinton (especially compared to the utter lunacy of Reagan and Bush Jr.)

I understand what you are saying and like I said I try. And I started out by trying to give Obama a chance to see what he would do. You can show him respect, as you said we have opinions and that is your choice.

He needs to first remember who he works for. ALL of us not just the people that voted for him.

If you and other LIBs took an honest at SOCIALIZED HEALTHCARE instead of listening to Politian, they would see the truth. On the cover SH looks great, its when you turn to page two that run into the problems. Paying for it! When was the last time that a government project cost what you were told? I my self listen to folks in the U.K. that tell me that the system nothing we think it is. Rationing of services. Waiting rooms so full that you get to know people because you are waiting so long. People who die before they can see a specialist. I work with a couple of guys from Canada. They will tell you real quick that we are being lied to.

Why is it that Liberals think that we can take something like this that has failed, is failing and/or trashed economies around the world, bring it here and make it work?

Obama has spent a ton of money and has done nothing. Every time he and congress open their mouths, people lose their jobs. I believe that the biggest problem that we have are people like the liberals you see here. They made a bad choice, and rather then admit it, they will watch every thing go down the tubes and it will be BUSH’s fault. We didn’t like it when Bush did it and here comes Obama, the exact same thing and spending more money doing it. Carter tried the same thing and it didn’t work then and it won’t work now!

This isn’t about doing the right thing, its simply about who is in office, Democrat or Republican. Liberals were all upset when BUSH did TARP. Now that Obama is in office doing the same thing and spending a butt load more the BUSH ever thought about, its ok! You can run your line of BS, but I see you for what you are, hypocrites. He says he is going to tax the evil rich, but he comes into office and starts giving money to who, the very people the he vilified to get elected. I don’t see congress whipping out their check books to pay more. THEY ARE THE EVIL RICH you dumbsh*ts!


AND IT KEEPS GETTING FUNNIER!

I audit the books of the biggest of all types of business in the Fortune 100. These companies must budget, by law, what they are going to spend in a straightfoward way so that it is easy to see how much money is going to be spent in the next fiscal year.

My problem with the 2010 budget is the $3.4 trillion figure. They have already commented to spending, by my estimate, another $2.1 tillion during that fiscal year in so called deficit spending. So the real budget for fiscal 2010, as of now with no additional spending, is really $5.5 Tillion. This does NOT include the off budget accounting that they use for SS or Medicare which is somewhere around $60 Tillion right now.
The CFO of a company would go to jail for trying to hide what they were really spending. Why do we allow Congress to do it?

If it is already part of your spending plan, why is it called a deficit and not part of the budget? For me the only reason that comes to mind is that $3.4 Tillion looks and sounds better than $5.5 Trillion.

and enjoy it while you can because you and all your twisted liberal buddies are going down with this ship with the rest of the nation. And it's sinking faster than you think. See ya' 'round!

I usually only lurk on these forums, reading the commentary and getting a laugh or two out of the economic ignorance on display by some of the participants of the (copy)left-ish persuasion.

As economist Ludwig von Mises proved in his 1920 treatise "Economic Calculation in the Socialist Commonwealth," (available here: http://www.mises.org/store/Economic-Calculation-in-the-Socialist-Commonwealth-P59.aspx), under central planning any rational economic calculation, that is, ANY method to efficiently allocate resources, is practically and theoretically impossible — not just of higher cost, lower quality, and reduced innovation; not just uncoordinated, inefficient, and ineffective; but literally IMPOSSIBLE.

Keep on cheerleading for your Corporatist/Fascist state. You probably don't know that virtually *all* of the major pharmaceutical and health-care Corporations are lobbying *for* this nationalized health-care, do you? Why would these 'caitalist' industries be lobbying *for* state control of TRILLIONS of dollars of GDP? To ask the question is to answer it. There will be a net transfer of wealth from you, to them, with the middle-man (the one holding the gun) skimming off his cut of the booty to fund a massive new bureaucracy that will determine what you will get, when you will get it, and how much. You *think* you're going to get free health-care, but you will be lucky if it takes only 6 months to get an appointment with a General Practitioner.

Contrary to popular belief, Reagan didn't cause the downfall of the Soviet Union. Though his actions probably helped it along, its demise was predicted in 1920. The reason is the impossibility of Economic Calculation. Yet, in spite of all this knowledge being readily available in this, the "Information Age", there remain all these useful-idiot intellectuals who believe that it (socialism) can finally work, if only they can do it here, and they are the one's in charge of it. It will not, and cannot, ever work anywhere. Sure, the Soviet Union lasted some 80-odd years, but go ask a survivor of that regime what a hellhole of a life they lead. The United States still stands today, not because of its Government, but in spite of it.

Lets wrap up with an appropriate H.L. Mencken quote:
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."

You're about to get it. Good and hard.

Seems like if it can't harangue any of us on the forum, it babbles on by itself – with the idiotic Statist DNC talking points of course.

Question is, if Copyheft speaks and no one listens, is he/she or it still wrong?

If but for NO other reason than the fact that he is the POTUS, Commander & Chief, Leader of the free world- he deserves respect. To be the "first president who has been so condescending and directly critical", is ones own opinion. I participated at the Atlanta Tea Party, and am a Libertarian- and was upset by the comments he made about the Tea Parties, and about the people who showed up. I have a right to be upset though- just as he had the right to make the comments he did. Disagreement should not be a basis to rationalize disrespect. Give to Ceasar what is Ceasars- and in this case, it is the dignity and respect which comes with the appropriate title for which he was voted in to.

this flat out theft of power from the american people is unethical at least and unconstitutional at best. Within 100 days we have a king-in-cheif who has seized a private auto maker, private banks, fired private employees from said private banks, who has apologized to our enemies and snubbed our allies, who has done more to destroy our nation than any single man has ever done in the past 200+ years of history that our nation has.

We have tried to reason and to vote against the enemies of the untied states, but the left and its organized crime ring has seized power by threatening and lying their way in anyway and explotiing and destroying our founding document, the constitution in the process.

We cannot vote our way out of this, the time for revolution is on the approach. We cannot allow our nation to fall to its enemies because we do nothing to protect it. If we all sit idly by and let it happen our lives, our childrens lives will all be for nothing. FREEDOM IS NOT FREE.. turn off your american idol and WAKE UP. The united states is dying. Are you going to help it? or just turn the other way??

Neal, I have always been appreciated how very objective you are when making your points and arguments. Not caring if someone agrees with your level of honosty if something I admire. However, Using language like, "Looter in Chief" - as you did in this topic- was disrespectful.

...are the individuals amongst us who have no hand in creating prosperity. They feel safely smug thinking they will not be footing the bill.

What they fail to realize is they will be paying the cost indirectly.

Let's see:

A healthcare system that is both cheaper AND more effective than our current, inarguably broken one.

A closer approach to the proper, progressive tax structure that's needed to support economic growth and a thriving middle class.

And investment in conservation, renewable energy, and other ways to get us off the oil habit, which is now a matter of national security as well as common sense.

Yep, I'm pretty happy with this budget. Thanks for asking!

Yeah, it puts in in perspective, don't it? FEMA should put it in their coloring book.

Definition of Statism from the Merriam-Webster online Dictionary:

Concentration of economic controls and planning in the hands of a highly centralized government often extending to government ownership of industry.

Liked this part: "Republicans say Democrats rely on the usual bag of budget tricks: savings that won't appear, spending caps that won't hold, and tax cuts that aren't "paid for" as promised."

True!

Is this really the change people voted for?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2009/03/21/GR2009032100104.html

"what went wrong. .. Obama, that's what."

No, it's much deeper than that. The people elected him, and by most polls, strongly approve of his job performance. What went wrong? The mis-education of the people over a period of generations.