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COULD THIS FINALLY BE THE CHANCE FOR A THIRD PARTY?

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Neal Boortz
@ April 3, 2009 8:57 AM
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Newt Gingrich is waving the warning sign for the Republican Party. He believes that more and more conservatives will be leaving the GOP in the 2012 elections for a third party.

Newt said at a speech at the College of the Ozarks in Missouri, "If the Republicans can't break out of being the right wing party of big government, then I think you would see a third party movement in 2012 ... If you're going to talk about big spending, the mistakes of the Bush administration last year are fully as bad as the mistakes of Obama's first two, three months."

So where are they going to go? The likely choice would be the Libertarian Party .. if conservatives truly want to return to a political party based on freedom, liberty and limited government. Trouble is, the Libertarian party can't seem to recognize international threats against America, and our need to realistic address those threats. Bob Barr, the last Libertarian presidential candidate, called our troops in Iraq "occupiers." He adamantly refused to use the word "liberators." I couldn't vote for him on that basis alone.

Back to Newt: He also points out, "During the period I was speaker, the U.S. government - for four years - total growth was 2 percent a year. Under Bush, it was 6.1 percent. ... This year, I think it will be 36 percent in one year." Can you even wrap your brain around that, folks? Our government is growing at a rate that is absolutely unsustainable. And who is going to rein it in? Certainly not Barack Obama and the Democrats. And clearly, the Republicans haven't proven themselves to be able to do so either. So who is going to stand up a lead us back to a nation governed by freedom rather than government dependence?

Just a thought.

By the way .. if the Republican Party is going to split ... let's leave those who are completely obsessed over the issue of abortion standing on the side of the road. (Oh man, wait until you see the comments on THIS one?)



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  • Neal
    I like Neal, and many of his positions. The majority of his listeners, however, I can do without.
  • 3rd Party?
    You are all on the idea that Obama and the standing congress will allow another vote. Folks, we are all finished voting, and the people now in office will make their stay permanent.
  • If you split crap, you still have crap
    Split What? The 2000-2008 version of republicans is the antithesis of less gov't, invisible hand, hayekian principals. If you spilt the amoeba, one slide of the blob will be the Christian Coalition, and the other side Bill Clinton. Does anyone really want either? Pls guys, it has to the start from scratch, and the current incarnation of the so-called "Liberation" party is not what I had in mind.
  • TN guy
    Thank you for saying that. A woman can choose whether or not to sleep around. If you're too stupid to get pregnant from your own choices, you shouldn't be allowed to use the killing of the baby as a quick fix.

    As for the third parties...I agree with joyce. All the stuff about gay marriage(which I am opposed to) and abortion (which I also oppose) are not really all that important when you think about it. I mean, compared to the fact that our personal rights to the money we EARN are being taken away piece by piece, they are not as major issues as we make them our to be. We can worry about that stuff once the issue of expanding government is out of the way. Problem is...it probably never will be.
  • Abortion IS a Woman's Right
    For every single person who believes abortion should be illegal, I suggest that you pledge YOUR time and YOUR money to the baby and the mother, so that when the baby is born, you will be there to support her and the child no matter what happens and make sure the child is brought up in a financially sound, loving environment.

    Oh, wait. You don't want that type of responsibility? Then stop trying to tell other people what to do with their lives.

    If a 16-year-old girl gets pregnant, has the baby, abuses the baby, neglects the baby, and lives on welfare because she can't take care of it, is that okay?

    As an adopted child myself, I can tell you that the adoption system is royally FUBAR. Good couples have to go through a ridiculously lengthy process to adopt, and God forbid they're gay, or else it gets worse. More often than not, adoptees are placed in the foster care system which is rife with abuse and neglect. We already have over 500,000 children in the foster care system as it is, with just too few people willing or able to adopt. Not only that, but once a foster kid reaces 18, the government sends them on their way with a couple of bucks and no prospects. More people seem interested in adopting kids from other countries nowadays, anyway.

    So before you start picketing abortion clinics, think about whether or not you would be willing to take care of that baby, and the sorry state of the adoption system in this country.
  • NEWT!
    If you vote for someone based one their abortion stance, then you're an idiot. The religious zealots have ruined the Republican party and that why Barry Hussein's in office now. In the entire spectrum of everything, abortion doesn't matter. Abortion doesn't balance a budget. Abortion doesn't stop a terrorist attack. And abortion doesn't stop government incompentance. I want a candidate that knows how to do the job...and that seems to be a hard thing to find lately.
  • embryo a child
    please, 3rd party, i'm tired of dems trying to run my life on fiscal issues, and rep on social. in Georgia, they just passed a bill making an embryo a child - say goodbye to stem cell research. here's the article:http://www.examiner.com/x-6571-Atlanta-Political-Buzz-Examiner~y2009m4d1-The-nations-first-embryo-adoption-bill-passed-Georgia-Senate

    we are the one and only state in America right now with this law. ugh.
  • Picture?
    What’s with that picture? I can’t decide if he looks gay or if it is just missing the halo.
  • I have to disagree with your last point. I am not a one issue person but abortion is a very important issue and one that is misunderstood. Only 1% of women who have abortions have a health issue or were assaulted. Abortion supporters like to throw the word choice around. Adoption is a choice also. People should also be aware of how abortion providers like Planned Parenthood were started. Planned Parenthood was founded by Margaret Sanger to implement her ideas on eugenics. She followed Darwin and Nietzsche and felt the world's resources only belonged to those who produced and that those unworthy should be aborted out of existence. Abortion supporters also never mention what happens to the child during an abortion. The two most common methods are having the brain extracted from the head or having the skin burned off with saline. Abortion supporters also never mention what happens to the women after. I have seen the hurt, emptiness and overwhelming regret. If you don't think abortion is an important issue read Job 31:15 and Psalm 139:13-16.
  • Actually...
    can we leave the neo-cons? Y'know, cut the massive defense budget? Go back to Reagan republicans?
  • Newt is against 3rd parties.
    Newt doesn't like third parties. I saw him on C-SPAN one time talking about his American Solutions think tank, or whatever it is, and an audience member asked him about third party inclusion and before the guy could even finish his question Newt flatly stated "NO!" This was back before he decided not to run in '08. So I guess as long as Newt is involved there will be no third parties. I like Newt, but I like being a Libertarian even more.
  • That Abortion Thing...
    ):o I agree that those obsessed with abortion should be left out of the party. They need to accept that the conservative movement is pro-life, & get over their obsession with keeping abortion legal.

    ):o Moo.
  • Abortion
    ENOUGH about abortion! It's constantly treated as if it's the main issue in governing this country. It's WAY down on my priorities list. Leave it alone, already!
  • 3rd Party, etc.
    The third party idea is initially tempting but it would be nothing much more than venting anger. Third parties have NEVER worked. The GOP needs a good old fashioned kick is the a** and a complete makeover.
    Chris Shays from CT was defeated in this past election by an arrogant ignorant Westport (actually Greenwich) Stupid Yuppie named Himes whose first ever bill introduced in Congress is unconstitutional.
    Regarding the US military: I read somewhere that about 70% of the current military self-identify as Republican/conservatinve/libertarian and when you consider just the officers it's about 90%.
    General George Bertram McGingrich has had his chance. He rallied the troops and then led the retreat ... plus he has the morals of Ted Kennedy.
    Put abortion aside for a while but just consider: from which party do you think you would get a fairer hearing?

    And the reason we have a Second Amendment is becoming more evident every day.
  • Libertarian
    I agree with you; leave those who believe government should be involved in a mother's decision standing beside the road. Look what your comments brought out on this subject. It is the single issue that most divides the GOP. This is an emotional topic that supercedes reasoning and causes regulatory gridlock. What we need is a working structure for the Libertarian party that enables some good people to step forward, not the kooks who could never be elected, and a method to raise some big money.
  • NEWT
    A third party will not work. It would only insure that the Dems get even BIGGER gains in 2010 and 2012. Newt or anybody else just needs to get the lame RINOS in order or OUT. Newt or Romney our best chance. Huckaby/Jindal a possible veep.
  • Abortion
    Boortz, I love ya. But the murder of innocent babies is an issue that will, for me and many others, ALWAYS be fundamental.
  • ***It's wrong and you know it Neal. This is why you won't talk about it.***

    What do you mean? He talks about it all the time! He just goes "la la la, I'm not listening" whenever someone tries to talk back.
  • NO PARTIES
    The only way this would work is if we did away with all political parties. If you give the general public (this includes democrats, republicans and everyone else) the cop out of labeling - as in political parties - instead of individuals, you release them from any obligation to actually think for themselves.
    People in general are just too busy to think for themselves. They are educated [at government schools] with a brief (and often inaccurate) discription/definition of each political party - by a biased teacher. From that point on, they choose sides. They may also be influenced by their parent (or parents, if they are luck enought to have two).

    Unfortunately, this is how the DUMB-masses pick a political party. Then, the idiotic celebrities go on thier (also uneducated and biased) missions to get everyone to go out on voting day and cast their votes. The majority of people HAVE NO IDEA of who they are voting for and what the candidate is actually preaching about doing. The choice was made way back in elementary school - each one of these drones decided to be a democrat or a republican when they were in the third grade or so. That's why when they hold these silly little mock elections at elementary schools prior to each presidential election, the results of the elementary school election is almost always correct.

    This is a really sad and pitiful system we have in this country - THE BEST COUNTRY!... It's a joke! It will never change (or work) either.

    The only solution to bring thought and responsibility into the minds of the voter is to do away with ALL POLITICAL PARTIES!
  • Liberal Hater
    Just as I get ready to lite in again you make me choke on my coffee!!!! Just put your imagination (warped I'm sure) to work and put me in anything you want. Just don't share it here please!!!
  • Does anyone consider the Constitution?
    The fact is that our country "as our founders envisioned it" is toast. So my comments probably don't matter anyway, but here goes...

    Neal would like to separate the abortion debate from conservative politics for whatever his personal reasons are... I don't know (he didn't put it in his book) and quite frankly I don't care.

    Hell, I don't even care if a woman wants to kill her kid. There are people in this world that I'd like to kill too.

    However, under our Constitution, it is acknowledged that our right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is endowed by our creator and not by man. Lives and property and personal rights are "supposedly" protected from intrusion by others.

    If we are going to make the determination of when life can begin, then we can make the determination of when life can end. And now I guess we will even be able to determine who can and can't have health care. I see it as all part in parcel.

    If you don't want to be fat, then don't eat big macs. If you don't want to look like a nasty retard and stink, then don't smoke. If you don't want to create a life, then don't screw.

    So leave me by the side of the road all you want. I'll stand on principal with all those who vote pro life. At least with Obama I know he'll stick the knife in my chest and not in my back like the Republican party.
  • Liberal Hater
    LOL...thanks for the laugh, liberalhater...I've been grouchy all day, having to deal with gov't agencies all day.

    Also, Neal's column seems to have pretty well depressed me today. So thanks for the laugh, guy.
  • Abortion Left Up To The States?
    Why should abortion be left up to the states? That would mean the government is still involved in personal matters.
  • 3rd Party?
    It won't make a bit of damn difference because it is apparently not a job requirement that one be able to read and comprehend what one is voting on! I mean, hey, understanding legislation is so...so...ancient history anyway. I'd vote for a dead man if he promised to cut out the lying, the deceit, the plundering of our wealth( what little we had left ) and the overall bad politics that have strangled the life out of what was and could be the greatest nation of the modern world. But if it didn't give his( the deadman's ) party the 'edge', it would never happen.
  • TN Guy
    That's a well thought out discourse. However, is abortion pro or con, the only issue separating us? Is that one issue enough? That's the question, I guess, can we put that one devisive issue aside long enough to come together whether it be as a redefined Republican Party or Libertarian, I don't care which. Our main goal should be to get the liberals out of office and any RINO's with them.
  • A third party
    Yeah, get the government out of our lives as much as we can and I think you will have a solid majority. Stop spending money except for our vital interests. Stop trying to manipulate our behavior with the tax code. Protect our citizens and provide an infrastructure and then get out of the way. Social issues should not be part of big government, they just divide everyone way too much.
  • Third Party
    Neal
    That's what the Democrats WANT us to do. They want to split our flank and conquer us. No; let's have a nasty coup in the GOP. Very nasty. If we lose in 2010 it'll be bad on the moderates.
  • 3rd party
    Before the republicans go off and try a third party again, just rememeber what happened in 1912. The "great" (little g on purpose) Teddy Roosevelt ran as a third party candidate and the major accomplishment of that was that Wilson was elected. And the result: The income tax. Wilson was the nose in tent for socialism. If we don't take control of the repubican party and put forth a good conservative candidate, obama will be reelected with even bigger majorities in both houses and you can kiss america as our founders envisioned it goodby for good.
  • 3rd Party and Abortion
    Anyone here who thinks abortion is up to the “mother” should really think it through. For example, all it would have taken was a simple “choice” and none of us would be here to discuss the matter. If abortion is legal then how can society prosecute a “mother” for a post-delivery abortion (some would call it infanticide).

    A woman has the choice as to when and how she has sex. If a sex act produces life, that life deserves to be protected. The instant that a male gamete penetrates the ovum, life begins. During each “stage of development” (embryo, fetus, etc.), prior to the first “legal” breath, the unborn child IS STILL ALIVE (alive, adj. 1. Having life; living.). Whether or not it can survive outside the “mothers” womb has no bearing on “life” (life n., pl. lives (lºvz). 1. Biology. a. The property or quality that distinguishes living organisms from dead organisms and inanimate matter, manifested in functions such as metabolism, growth, reproduction, and response to stimuli or adaptation to the environment originating from within the organism).

    We do not need a third party. We need responsible citizens who vote for personal and intuitional responsibility that revolve around the constitution instead of populist utopian fantasies and charisma. If we had twenty political parties, if the citizenry is irresponsible, the results would be the same.
  • abortion
    My mother aborted me and I turned out alright, what's the big deal?
  • Getting Over Abortion
    Neal, just admit it is a state's right issue and move on. You are the person hung-up on the issue. Sheesh.
  • Abortion comment
    Pro life, but with exceptions for health, rape or incest. We are taking a life here. The reasons have to be good.
  • Gingrich
    I would have voted for Gingrich over Mitt / McCain in 2008. Jindal is not the answer, nor is Huckeby, Thompson, Palin or Guiliani.

    Currently the Senator from SC, Lindsey Graham peaks my interest the most. He seems to be a matter of fact kind of leader that is controlled and well spoken.

    While I won't claim to be a republican, would be much more a Fiscal Conservative.

    Everyone have a good weekend.
  • 3rd party
    A third party would be great, but is not realistic untilpeople will stop voting for Republicans who are the lesser evil vs. the democrats. In response to some other comments, Republicans would pick up 10% in the polls if they if they would drop the issue. You wanting to legislate your morality is just as bad as others wanting to continue allowing abortions. You would have more effect on others by explaining why you think it is wrong than trying to have laws that do it for you.
  • state's rights
    OK, all those pro lifers who think the states should decide, raise your hand. OK, now keep your hand up if you think Bush was right to intervene in the terry schaivo case...


    hmmm...I still see a lot of hands up there. Something is amiss.
  • Craig's Quote....
    ....is from Atlas Shrugged
  • 3rd party and abortion
    I agree with Red, sent abortion to the states, vote on it. I'll choose to live in a state that bans abortion. It's wrong and you know it Neal. This is why you won't talk about it.
  • Newt!
    Is this the same guy that married his former high school teacher, divorced her when she got cancer, got married again 6 months later to a woman whom he divorced when she was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis and then married a congressional aide that was 23 years younger than him?
  • solution to gubmint abuse
    politicians are scum!
    stand naked in front of your mirror and repeat that phrase 100 times.
    now get dressed in your finest dressy clothes. get in front of your mirror again and repeat this one 1,000 times, DON'T RETURN INCUMBENT POLITICIANS. for the dumba$$es stand behind the mirror (the not shiny side) and repeat 1,000 times I WON'T EVER VOTE AGAIN. clothes are optional.
  • Corrupt Electorate
    A nation can survive corrupt politicians by removing them. But it cannot survive a corrupt electorate. And that is our real problem. It won't be solved by creating a third party or a fourth, or any number of new parties. It will only be solved by a moral revival in this nation.

    Look at our political leaders. Can you think of a single one that you would consider a strong character, a man or woman of real integrity?

    That is our problem. Put these people in whatever party you like: we still have weak characters leading us.

    Newt is a perfect example of this. There he was, in the midst of the impeachment crisis, delving into Clinton's dalliance with Lewinsky, and all the while nailing another woman on his office desk, until exposed and drive from office.

    Weak. Talks a good game, but has no character.

    As for our pundits: here on this site we have one who likes to run up behind you, kick you in the leg, and then run away giggling like a little girl. Weak. Very weak. Unfit to lead, no matter what party he joins.
  • Craig Greenlaw
    "I swear, by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."

    Is this a quote or your original oath? It's fantastic.
  • abortocentrists
    Abortion problem solved...
    You solve by doing precisely what Ron Paul said we should do. Take it out of the hands of the Federal Government, and leave it up to the states. That way some states will have it some won't. All people on both sides of the issue have what they want. The end.
    By Red Leader @ 04/03/09 12:15:23 PM
    .
    I think we have a winner!
  • Third party
    It appears not to matter whether we get a third party, or rely on the two established ones. We will still slip down the inexorable road to statism due to the common-sense dictum of "if voting could change things, it would be illegal." No deus ex machina third party will save us when the fault lies within each of us who fail to take personal responsibility for changing our society to one that respects the individual as an end, not a means.

    As a first step, let's advocate for a Constitutional amendment separating economics and state, as Ayn Rand proposed. This would be for the same reason and purpose as the separation of church and state: the prevention of tyranny over the human mind.

    I swear, by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.
  • The Constitution
    The curse is that Son of Liberty nailed it. Both parties are a coalition. So, is there ANY single issue that could unite us all? How about the "Constitution Party"?
  • Neal would be more upset
    if it were legal to kill middle-aged balding men instead of innocent babies. Maybe even "obsessed..."
  • You all miss Neal's point on live vs choice
    that is, as Neal demonstrates if you ever pay attention, if you want to force the Mother to have the baby, and she doesn't want to, you have to arrest her. If she still doesn't want to, you then have to use force to arrest her. Then, if she still doesn't want to, you have to SHOOT her, ultimately. So Pro Life ultimately means killing the mother.
    Since ONLY the government is legally empowered to use deadly force (e.g. shoot you if you resist arrest), the point is that government at any level should not be in this issue at all. It should be up to the Family and their doctors. And it's only YOUR business if it's your family.

    PS I believe in life at conception and abortion is wrong, but the point is KEEP GOVERNMENT OUT OF IT.
    The doctors, of course, should always encourage the mother to have the baby unless there's a danger to the mother and aborting the baby is medically the last resort. Adoption if mom can't keep the kid. Many Families can't get pregnant, and they would make nice parents.
  • LIBERTARIAN RUNNING FOR GA GOVENOR !!
    ....He has broken the record for votes for any Libertarian candidate in the country, ever. Check out John Monds;

    http://votemonds.com/blog/2009/03/24/john-monds-announces-intent-to-run-for-governor/


    GA is a prime area to start a party that actually wants to pay attention to actual conservatism and what Thomas Jefferson was talking about.
  • abortion
    I sure wish there'd be a survey to find out how many of the "stringent" anti-abortion crowd use or have used the standard oral contraceptive pill. It would be interesting to see how many of them aren't aware that the regular ol' birth control pill acts as an abortofascient in the case of break-thru ovulation (rare....but does happen....and there's no way to predict/stop it).
  • Abortion and the GOP
    The GOP doesn't give a rat's ass about abortion. They use that as a method to buy the votes of dim-witted evangelicals. (For the record, I am an evangelical...I just don't considered myself dim-witted!)
  • Abortion
    Two points to consider -

    1. I completly agree with J.R.C., but would add one other caveat: she can be completely responsible for the cost for the choice she makes. No child support to keep the baby, and no government assistance if she chooses to abort.

    2 - Do we really want to leave Dr. Walter Williams, Dr. Thomas Sowell, Allen Hunt, Jason Lewis, Roger Hedgecock, Mark Levin, Dr. Mike Adams, Bill Lumay, et. al., and there respective supporters/audience behind?
  • 3rd party yey
    there was an article about it last week, georgia might be leading the flock on 3rd party candidates :http://www.examiner.com/x-6571-Atlanta-Political-Buzz-Examiner~y2009m3d29-Will-the-third-party-candidate-please-stand-up
  • Abortion problem solved...
    You solve by doing precisely what Ron Paul said we should do. Take it out of the hands of the Federal Government, and leave it up to the states. That way some states will have it some won't. All people on both sides of the issue have what they want. The end.
  • Those who feel abortion should be legislated
    If you think the Federal Government has any right in this decision then you are no better than the Democrats in office.
    This is a States Rights issue and has never been or should be a Federal issue.
  • Abortion
    Neal,

    I am a libertarian (and a big fan of yours) and I am pro-life. I think it is clouding the abortion issue to put it in terms of "women's rights". To me, the abortion issue is not a matter of "women's rights" but simply a matter of when you believe life begins. If it begins at conception then it should be a no-brainer that abortion should be illegal (because it is murder). If you believe life begins at some later point in fetus development then perhaps abortion is ok after all. I think it should ultimately be up to the states to decide this.
  • abortions and politics
    I am pro-choice.As a father I just would like every one to choose not to have an abortion for several reasons but my personal one is my son who would not exist today if the choice had been left up to me 23 years ago. I would have missed out on 23 years of knowing the love,pain and joy of raising a son. I cannot remove my feelings about a decision I could have made so stupidly casual that would have killed him and deprived me of that experience, so I can't possibly be pro-abortion. Abortion is a very personal decision for the individual to choose, not by me or my government.Its your right to choose and your obligation pay the cost for that choice alone. I thank my wife for her choice.
  • Conservatives
    I believe abortion should not be a political stance. These people are screwing the country because they are turning off voters. People better be more concerned about what is happening in the political arena and worry about abortion later. We are swiftly on the track of becoming Argentina and Zimbabwe. After all President Barak hussein Chavez Mugabwe is now wringing the hand of the Queen of England and bowing to the King of Saudi Arabia. Anyone notice who gets the most respect.
  • 3rd party
    Neal,you keep saying that the right wing is abortion obsessed.But you are failing to recognize that the so-called pro-choice advocates and liberals are far MORE obsessed with the abortion issue.Abortion is an all encompassing issue with them.It dictates where they stand on everything.
    Monica below has it right.Abortion is an issue that should be taken completely out of governmental oversight.
    Ignore the abortion issue and both parties will be able to get closer.
    ps your security surely sucks big time!
  • ABORTION
    if it isn't your womb stay the hell out of it. the only one that has any "bizniss" there is the owner. she is the one that makes the decision who and what gets access. no gubmint no bizzybody no church. she makes the choices and has to live with them. ain't yo bizzniss!
  • International "Threats"
    "Trouble is, the Libertarian party can't seem to recognize international threats against America."

    More accurately, the party recognizes that endless occupation and political meddling do the opposite of promoting safety.
  • abortion obsession
    Hey Boortz, I like your website & radio program and happen to agree with most of what you say. I also happen to be pro life and do take ones stance on abortion into consideration when I vote. I do not think, however, that I obsess over it. In fact, judging by the number of your comments on the subject, it looks like you are the one obsessing over abortion. Do you think that I am not entitled to my opinion against abortion and that I should be 'left on the road' because I dont happen to agree with you on the subject ?
  • GOP's Big Spenders
    My hopes for the future of the GOP is that they will treat the big spenders like those that are pro choice in the party.

    It is time for the likes of George Bush, Arlen Specter, Lincoln Chaffee, Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, Arnold Schwarzenegger and Chris Shays to name a few to leave the GOP. If you spend like a liberal democrat, than join the GOP. McCain may have won had he been a fiscal conservative and opposed the bailouts.
  • POLITICS
    ok. here's an idea.
    our elected offal don't give a crap about us, let us return the favor. don't care about them!
    DON'T RETURN INCUMBENT POLITICIANS....
    the scumsuckers that are there now got us here, so all you dumba$$es sent them back!
    note to dumba$$es, stay away from voting booths they will steal your welfare checks.
    there is no such thing as a good politician unless he/she is dead. so i'll say it again DON'T RETURN INCUMBENT POLITICIANS. get it????
    for the non-dumba$$es out there don't be a nice guy, don't give a dumba$$ a ride to the polls.
    remember all politicians are scum! stand in front of your mirror naked and repeat 100 time politicians are scum!
  • Would you rehire the first guy you fired?
    Having a third party is the only sensible thing to do. Let's say you are an employer and hired Bob for the job. After his 4-year contract was up, you fired him for not achieving the objectives you set out for him. So you hire Joe, sign a 4-year contract for him as well. He stinks at the job as well. Now, what sense is it go back and rehire Bob, who KNOW isn't good at the job? That's stupid.

    We all know that fierce competition makes stronger competitors. We really need a third party to make the two parties we have better.
  • Abortion Again, Neal?
    Please.

    One side is right, one is wrong. Either it is a blob of tissue up until some point, or it is a human life, unique and deserving of protection from the moment of conception.

    Just as a thought - to get to where we are today took several decades. How about we start with two compromises that would gather 85 - 90 percent support immediately:

    1) "Partial birth" abortion is too close to infanticide.

    2) An exception (to be decided by the mother, with imput from her parents if underage) for rape, incest and actual threat to the life of the mother. (no, I can't go along with "depressed")

    Enact these simultaneously, then we take another couple of decades for the actual zealots on either side to argue the rest of the points, and leave us in peace.

    Or does that only make sense to me?
  • re:JR
    "I think it's murder except..."

    WOW...I mean, do you even hear yourself?

    You think abortion is murdering an innocent child but, it's OK if that child was created by circumstances you deem appropriate to facilitate its murder?

    This is why you fail young padwan.

    let me guess, you're pro death penalty too...

    oy veh

    no wonder there's talk of a third party. the tards have taken over this one.
  • Abortion and Single Motherhood
    The same people who like to cite crime rates from children of single mothers, are the same ones who are hell bent on demonizing abortion. I believe it was that book "Freakanomics" that cited studies that show abortions minimize crime rates in most places that are already major crime locations. Abortion is a pretty disgusting procedure, but if you choose to take that path, then so be it. I just don't want my tax dollars going to subsidize domestic or international abortions. A third party for the right will work if the loony Green Party on the left can rise up as well.
  • there's another way
    there are only two kinds of people, those who believe in government control and those who believe in individual liberty. a third party will only destroy the dreams of us who believe in freedom. reform the republican party! not sure if boortz will let me do this but i have a blog about this topic, republicanremix.bogspot.com
  • The case for Republicans to crossover and join the Libertarian Party
    This is on the Libertarian Slant:
    http://jasonfalter.wordpress.com/2009/01/25/the-case-for-republicans-to-crossover-and-join-the-libertarian-party/

    I'm sorry that you are a one issue voter now Neal. If our economy fails as the Republicans and the democrats seem to be pushing it to do so then your fears about being attacked by Terrorists again really don't matter when the country has destroyed itself.
    The FED and the policies of both Democrats and Republicans are bigger threats than Terrorists from over seas right now.
    You were one of the main reasons I found the Libertarian Party but lately you have been slipping away from it and picking and choosing certain aspects to like and dislike. The philosophy is sound and it is to bad you are wandering.
  • Not the time for a third party
    Never in history has a third party had any success but if another party could be formed it will split the right and hand the government to the liberals
  • Abortion & 3rd Party
    "let's leave those who are completely obsessed over the issue of abortion standing on the side of the road. "

    I so totally agree. Afterall how can any moron say it beleives in liberty when it is in favor of taking the life that is to excersize said liberty. These "pro-choice" nitwits that are so obsessed with abortion that they bring it up at every mention of any point destroy any chance of party loyalty with their illogical desire to kill babies.
  • Abortion and Religion
    Why must this one issue be the deciding factor? It's not the only one out there and do any of you truly agree 100% with ANY party? Heck I don't any of you agree 100% with your spouse! But you can work together to accomplish the bigger picture. The only obsessed pro-lifers that need to be left in the dust are those who cannot see past that one difference. You are NOT going to change the law on that issue, seriously. And I'm not saying you are wrong or right, because that is a personal issue. I am not religious but would defend to the death your right to believe how you wish. AS LONG AS you are willing to do the same for me. You can practice pro-life all you want. Don't get an abortion. Don't like gay marriage? Don't marry one.

    But quit pushing your personal issues on other people.

    We can work together to accomplish great things for us and our children if we can agree that we will not always agree on every single issue, but overall we all want the same things. The right to pursue happiness and fail or succeed based on our own efforts. WITHOUT government interference.
  • Abortion
    I am far from what you would consider a theocrat and I am opposed to abortion. Why...because it is a human life. I hear your arguments about the government telling women what to do with their bodies and I agree. I don't want the government in the bedroom.

    On the otherhand, our constitution was written to establish the rule of law to protect individuals from the whim of the masses. To me, what individuals need protection more than an unborn baby?

    Consider the legal angle that the mother can choose to have the baby or not, OK when does she loose that choice? Is it just toes out of the vagina, or can we wait until just a little of the scalp is still coming out? Or maybe we can give her a few weeks after the birth to think about it.

    That is my problem with the choice argument. It seems the choice was already made and the baby is the result. Please don't give me the rape/incest argument. That is a straw man at best.
  • RON PAUL RON PAUL RON PAUL
    Helloooooo!? Anyone else listening?

    And to add to some of the other commentors on this board - leaving the pro-life crowd out of the party pretty much ensures failure.
  • Do it NOW
    We need to do this now. Newt's is the strongest voice to come forward to lead this movement. We keep talking about it and grumbling about the way things are. EVERYONE is aware that the Dems and Republicans are pretty much one party at this point. Let's get back to our conservative roots. We can say we are getting the GOP back to where it once was or we can call it by a different name - Libertarianism. It all means the same thing - basically we want our republic back the way it was set up by our founding fathers.

    On another note, I voted straight Libertarian ticket in the last election, with the exception of two candidates. I voted for McCain because I was scared to death of an Obamanation. I also voted for my Democrat congressman (GASP) because he voted against the very first bailout. He deserved my vote. But by voting straight Libertarian I voted AGAINST all incumbents - something I think we should all consider.
  • choices
    SORRY FOR MULTIPLE POSTS:
  • 3rd party
    There will never be a successful 3rd party unless it is started at the U.S. congressional and senatorial level. I think that in the U.S. Senate there may be 20-25 senators and 80-100 in the U.S. House of Representatives from both parties that are truly fed up with the direction our government is taking us.

    If you take the abortion issue off the table I think that those elected representatives could come together to form a 3rd party that would view the constitution for what it is and says and not a "living" document that changes at the whim of our elected officials and appointed judges.

    If this were to happen well before the next presidential elections the new party could have a convention and nominate a candidate.

    Of course, this is probably a pipe dream because it would take a lot of guts for someone already elected to bolt from their current party.

    It's very depressing. When you consider our "educational" system and the gerrymandering of districts and the fact that term limits will never pass, we have a long row to hoe!
  • Abortion
    I believe in the Bible says it is better for a man to deposit his seed in the belly of a whore than in the dust. Don't know if it says what is to be done with the after affects of this other than ostrasizing the women and the children. I believe this was written in by men to excuse their responsibility for their part in abortion or illegitimacy. Most of the men objecting to abortion don't deposit much in the dust I'm sure.
  • 3rd Party doesn't have to be big to be powerful
    If a 3rd party could get 10% in congress, 5% from the Dems and 5% from the Repubs, they could control the agenda. Whichever side of an issue the 3rd party chose would result in a 55/45 decision. The third party could force the adoption of the good ideas from either of the traditional parties, and resist the stupidity that we're enduring now.

    Abortion? To take insensitivity to a new level, consider that the Repubs are on the wrong side of the issue.
    1- Liberals relaxed standards regarding sexual activity and welfare brood mares support an assumption that Libs have more unplanned pregnancies than conservatives.
    2- More children born to liberals because of restrictions on abortion will result in an increase in the liberal population.
    3- I would prefer that my tax dollars pay to abort those future liberal voters now, rather than to suffer the damage their votes will cause in 18 years.

    Insensitive enough for you?
  • Where the GOP must go....
    Here's what the current GOP would have to do in order to regain the traditional conservatives and principles voters;

    1. Get 100% behind the Fair Tax
    2. Admit that Bush was bad for
    Republicans and the country
    3. Repeal the Patriot Act
    4. Prepare to bring home most troops
    from all over the planet.
    5. Secure the border, illegals out.
    6. Commit to ABOLISHING government
    agencies not authorized by the
    constitution.Not just tinkering with
    the large govt programs.
    7. Accept free market capitalism and
    trade in dealing with other counries
    rather than pre-emptive militarism.
    Unless the mainland is threatened.In
    other words non-interventionist
    foreign policy.
    8. Abolish the Federal Reserve
    9. Return to a commodity backed currency
    10.Emphasize recognizing states rights

    Do this and the GOP will win back traditional conservatives. Do it not and Obama will have another 4 years. Face it neo-cons...us amongst the small govt lovers will NEVER vote for a Komrad Mccain, Romney, Bush type EVER again. And yes Im a Ron Paul voter....he was the ONLY Republican in the race.
  • There you go again...
    You had me agreeing with you up to the point where you had to drag abortion back into it again. I don't care that you think PRO-LIFE people are fools. From my personal standpoint, I believe it to be murder. As such, I cannot support or condone it, nor can I vote for someone who does. I can handle exceptions for rape, incest, and the mother's life, although it still makes me uncomfortable. I would much rather vote my conscience than just what is practical or convenient. I believe that anyone who supports or condones abortion should be called PRO-DEATH, so enough with the ANTI-CHOICE nonsense. If you have a problem with that, TOUGH!
  • The Problem is...
    Cutting social conservatives out of the Republican Party would be cutting like off an arm before batting in a baseball game. We don't have a "two-party" system in the US, we have a 'consolidated two-party' system. The Republican Party is made up of Fiscal Conservatives, Social Conservatives, Military advocates, Social Libertarians, and many other factions. In the same way, the Democrat Party is composed of Global Warming groups, Race Advocacy groups, Government Empowerment groups, Social Liberals, and numerous other groups on the liberal side of the spectrum.

    If we take the Fiscal Conservatives, Social Libertarians, and Pro-Military factions and try to run them as a single party while cutting out the other groups, we would have a repeat of the Bull-Moose fiasco. Splitting the electorate never works well. What we need to do is claim our stake in the Republican Party and push it toward the advocacy we want. Don't alienate Social Conservatives - push for stronger state control vs. federal, which gives them an opportunity to fight out their battle of ideas at the local level while maintaining a strong political coalition.

    We need to focus on what our common goals are and fight to advance candidates who will push for our voices to be heard, not fracture ourselves and give the Democrats free license to destroy our country. In Georgia, Saxby Chambliss nearly lost to a lying Democrat because the Libertarian candidate split the electoral support. With an anti-capitalist in the White House, we cannot afford to give him any more of a rubber stamp Congress than he already has. Once again, it is "Unite or Perish," only this time, it's the factions of our voting base who must unite against a man who seeks to destroy our way of life, instead of colonies that must unite to fight a king who sought to subjugate us.

    The Republican Party must reach out to Libertarians and Constitution Party members to reinforce the voting base on the issues we hold in common against the Democrats. If we don't hang together, we shall all hang separately, and with the empowerment of the mob taking place in this country, I would not hold that idea as purely rhetorical. I may have had many disagreements with McCain, but voting for him was the better option. When there was still even the slightest chance that he could win, I was not going to protest the foolishness of the Republicans in nominating a Democrat in Republican clothing so that a died in the wool Marxist could win while I pouted and voted third party.

    We must unite! We must seize our liberty, our rights, and never allow the government to strip them from us. If we do not stand firm here and now, then we may never again have the chance to stand on the battlefield of ideas and with a single, united voice, shout "We will never surrender!"
  • All for a 3rd Party
    The GOP has been hijacked by the Christian Coalition. To me the focus shifted to legislating morality instead of decreasing the size of government and protecting the constitution. The best way to protect religion is to keep the government secular.
  • 3rd Party? Hell, we need a second party.
    I've long seen that there is no real difference between the Democrats and Republican; they are two sides of the same coin with the ultimate goal of unlimited power in this country a shared dream. We need a party to cleave to the original intent of our Constitution; leave all these victims, at home and abroad, without the testicular fortitude to help themselves to charities, leave the ambitious to whatever greatness they are able to achieve and leave government to handle those foreign policy and defense issues which are its constitutional mandate.

    In the coming revolution, I wonder where the military will stand.
  • 3rd party
    Interest in a 3rd party may grow, if there is national exposure with common sense candidates...I suggest recruiting Jim DeMint from SC. He seems to be the onlt person in the entire Congress who doesn't have his head firmly planted up his own rectum.
  • 3rd Party
    Monica has it right about hte abortion issue. It's not a political debate, it's a moral debate. Hearts need to be changed not minds.
    I am appalled at the venom some of the replyees voice against BAC's of which I count myself one. I guess all the propaganda is working. We do NEED a third party, indisputably. A party that stands on princples and morals, not hate and misinformation.
  • Better Solution
    The only thing a 3rd party/candidate accomplishes is getting the likes of Clinton and Obama elected and having John McCain as our candidate. The real solution is to change the way we select our nominees.

    Anyone should be able to sign up with a certain amount of signatures. We would have a pretty wide field to choose from here rather than the party "favorites". We should have a series of debates that people can vote online for the winner. This should work "March Madness" style where people are eliminated as we work up the brackets over time. It could be single or double elimination - doesn't matter. Once we get down to two candidates, we can pick our candidate with a traditional vote at the ballot boxes.

    When you have 3-5 candidates, the vote gets splintered and the best candidate doesn't always get picked (i.e. John McCain) We need this process to give us the best two and go from there.
  • third parties
    The logical place for misplaced conservatives would be the Constitution Party. Pro lifers would have no place in the Libertarian Party. Pro security nationalists have no place in the Libertarian party. It's the party of people like Ron Paul, a whacko.
  • Who to include
    As a pro-life Catholic, my sentiments are with John. You cannot succeed without us - you simply won't have the numbers to scratch the surface.

    And "copyleft" is doing exactly what the left does - dismiss anyone with any principles from the equation. Can't do it, sport, small government is the only way to get out of this mess, and those you distain are in much higher numbers than you can admit!

    I agree with Neal and Newt here that the two party system currently have both mucked up the waters to badly to be of any help correcting the mess! That means, 'R' AND 'D' people with love of country, value for our Constitution, and high principles will have to step up and take over!

    Otherwise, your great grandchildren will still be paying for these first 90 days of this Obamanation!
  • This is not the time for a third party!
    Never in history has a third party had any success but if another party is formed it will split the right and hand the government to the liberals again.
  • once in a while
    Copy has a good point - give 'em his props.
    Splintering the GOP means the DEMS and libs prevail forevermore. Have you noticed that most polls, no matter what the issue, hover around the 50% mark anymore? On everything! Ask 100 people if sh*t stinks, 50 will say yes, 49 will say no, and 1 doesn't know. Look at what's going on in New York right now with the Hildabeast's senate seat election. No, we'll need 100% conversion from REP to LIB to even have a minimal chance - that is not going to happen folks. King Obama is praying for a movement like this.
    On point 2, I agree too - we didn't need to go into Iraq - we should have Orkin-manned on all those pedophile-worshipping bastards with just a few of our nukes on 9/12/2001. (A little dab'll do ya!)

    Don't trade in your 45 for a 9 - you'll lose the fight trust me. Let's concentrate on getting the GOP back where it belongs through feedback to our reps and the ballot.

    BTW - we're splintering the Fair Tax movement with these tea parties too - the Fair Tax rallies ARE the tea parties folks!
  • Democrat dominance
    Imagine if the Democrats were to split into two parties -- a true Socialist/Communist party, and a Blue Dog Democrats party.

    Republicans would govern with majorities for decades.

    Now, imagine if the Republican party were to split.

    Yeah, that's right.
  • This is Exciting!
    This is Exciting to see the Possibility for a True 3rd Party to Grow from the Ashes of a the Republican Party. We need to Embrace Liberty and Freedom and Fiscal Responsibility, the FairTax, and True Representation in Washington. I support this move and hope to see President Gingrich and Vice-President Boortz someday!
  • Newt
    Newt is a brilliant man. I think if it could keep Republicans honest. I’m mad at Washington in general right or left. The only difference between the 2 parties is by degree. As a conservative we have been betrayed by Washington politicians, I’d be interested in a possible 3rd party.
  • Screw 3rd parties...
    Lets get 5th, 6th, or even 7th parties!
    Lets have so many different viewpoints grid-locking our government that the private sector can finally shoulder the burdens the government stole from it!

    I'll leave the abortion/science/health issue alone since there is no way in heck anyone here can carry on a calm argument about it including myself.
  • 3rd Party
    First off, those in the Republican singing about how other Republicans have abandoned conservatism are really the strongest supporters of abortion. So I don't see that being rejected if they form a new party. What will be left of the Republican party will be those more moderate, who may or may not be pro-life. They are the ones that don't seem so focused on that single issue. Too bad these same moderates are all over the map on a variety of other issues, especially pro-big government, or they might have more support.

    Second, I agree with others that Republicans need to do what they need to do. If it means splitting, they better do it soon, as it will take a number of years to rally support and again be a political force. In the meantime, the Democrats will remain in power until Republicans can turn things around or the rise of some other 3rd party. This might be a long, long time...
  • "liberators"? Really?
    Okay, "occupiers" is a bad (though accurate, it's got negative connotations, so okay, don't use it) term.

    But "liberators"? Seriously? You don't want to use a descriptive term because it's loaded, so instead you want to use a term that's /only/ loaded, and not at all descriptive? "liberating" is not what the current occupation (no negative implications intended) of Iraq is about. We are policing, helping the government of Iraq maintain order during a period of transition, to protect people, to save lives. The "liberation" period is over, was over after the first month, first week, first day, depending on how you want to look at it. And you do realize that we've currently got a lot of people over there who weren't involved in that initial liberation, right?

    In short:
    Calling them "occupiers" is bad because of stupid political nonsense.
    Calling them "liberators" is bad because it /is/ stupid political nonsense.
  • Copy
    That's better than leaving it to the "it's not my fault I failed", "I won't have to worry about putting gas in my car", "if it's not constitutional we'll just legislate it anyway" crowd.

    Oh, did you get your increase on food stamps yet?
  • A step back
    Sometimes you have to take a step back to go forward. That's what will happen if the Republicans split. The Dem's majority in congress will surge for a while, but their policies will fail. The pedulum will swing back to the conservative side and the Libertarian party, or whatever the third party is, will have a chance. At least that's what this small government conservative is hoping for.
  • 2012 too late
    If a third party is to get any traction, it must get its members elected to Congress, where it can have some impact, otherwise the Dem and GOPs will lock the new 3rd party President out. Push for the 2010 off-year elections and take advantage of the buyer's remorse now! Count me in.
  • The Judicial Branch
    I think the Libertarian Party should put the abortion issue front-and-center as an example of how our Separation of Powers should work. Support judges who will overturn Roe v. Wade because it is bad law, not because they are pro-life, send the issue back to the States, trumpet the 10th Amendment.
  • Third Party?
    A third party is in the Whitehouse now!
  • obsessed, you say...
    Neal, leaving out the pro-life group would be a guarantee or failure for any 3rd party that is trying to be MORE conservative than the GOP. The pro-lifers are strong among the social conservatives, and they are a large portion of the fiscal conservative crowd that would be crucial to the ultimate success of a 3rd party.

    Also, I notice you like to use some form of the word 'obsess' when referring to the pro-lifers. Aren't you obsessed about Fair Tax? Aren't you obsessed about personal liberty? If so, isn't that just as bad? How is your obsession good and a pro-lifer's obsession bad?
  • Diddo
    I am in the exact same boat with Fernao below. If I have learned anything about the abortion battle, you need to change hearts. I'm not sure you even want to change the laws. How does forcing a woman underground for an abortion help save lives again? If you truly are about life, you care about it in all people-including those subjected to the death penalty.

    I also certainly agree with Neal about the Libertarians. I registered Independent last time. I did not vote for Obama in '08 and I am glad I didn't. I am ready to vote for a person on principle instead of party, and I think many Americans are beginning to feel this way. The only way I'll vote Republican in '12 is if they put someone by the likes of a Huckabee up there. We need that Fair Tax today!!
  • By all means, do
    Go ahead, start a civil war in the Republican Party. It'll be a blast to watch!
  • Why a third? Can't anyone stand on their own?
    If the problem with government is the two party system, why not back an independent candidate instead of a third party candidate. That way they won't have the baggage of either party.

    Ross Perot tried it and got a large number of votes for man with no charisma and no personal graces.

    I'd back any fiscal conservative running independently before any party.


    Oh... and CopyLeft... Is that your name or is it that all you can do is copy inane left wing comments?
  • 3d Party
    Too late Newt, lots of conservatives --me included-- have said to hell with the GOP. From here on out I'm casting my lot with the either the Libertarian or Constitionalist Party. And yes, I chose Ron Paul instead of imperious John McCain in November.
  • NOT
    The Libertarian Party will NOT be where this constituency goes for a third party. The Libertarians historically have chosen to be just as nutty as the Greens and a number of other fringe political parties. The Libertarian political platform is just shy of being Anarchist and economically are classical Anarchist.

    Keep dreaming Neal because you live in a fantasy world.
  • give it a name
    I'd create a new party altogether and call it "The Common Sense Party". The competing parties would hate uttering that name.
  • To the abortion point
    The other day I commented on the abortion issue, and was one of the few standing alone with Neal. Here's the straight dope... he's right. It will never be made illegal at the Federal level, and as long as we have Presidential elections (its bad enough that abortion is a litmus test for Congress) where the candidates are running on a pro-choice/anti-choice platform, we're all losing. The Commander in Chief of the United States Millitary should not be elected based on his stance on abortion, which is something that he can not alter. Yes, I know he can appoint judges, but those judges have to seriously consider precident, and Roe v. Wade is precident. Anti-abortion folks need to stick to local and state politics, which is where they can make a real difference for themselves, instead of focusing on national politics and losing their cause entirely. We need elected officials that deal with national security, trade, and domestic economic matters, not matters of personal, moral, or reproductive nature. Not all Republicans are pro-life, only about 30% of them. If Republicans dropped the pro-life stance at the Federal layer, they would win over masses of Democrats who only vote Dem because they value the right to determine what they do with their body, and don't want the launch of yet another government intrusion into their personal lives; a Government Office of the Vagina, or GoV.
  • Republican Party
    I agree the party has turned into a very moderate bunch of what I call Republicrats, but I don't think a third party would be the answer in the true conservatives and libertarians (the ones that recognize the threat of middle east and others)have to fight for the establish Republican Party.
  • 3rd party
    the Constitution Party is a better choice than libertarian
  • Awesome
    I am a liberal democrat who really misses the old republican party of fiscal conservatism, constitutional democracy, and individual liberty. I may not always agree with how those views are applied to issues but at least they have a thoughtful basis with which to argue. And frankly, I think it's that argument - the one between liberal and conservative - that keeps this country healthy.

    But the republican party of late is a joke. It has no integrity, no compass, and no ideas.

    Please, newt - save them.
  • Libertarian Party needs to accept Roadmap, not just destination.
    Much of what the Libertarian party advocates would be true IF ... The problem is the IF's aren't true. For example, Open Boarders are as much of a problem IF there isn't a Social Services Cost to tax payers. The Federal Government has so greatly overstepped the bounds of its Enumerated powers, that unwinding that abuse and recovering States' and People's rights would be too aggressive a stance for enough Americans to embrace.
    Like was done with the Fair Tax, create some separation between the Vision and the proposed Practice.
  • 3rd Party
    The problem with a third party, especially if the Republican Party splits, is that it may take years to gain enough support for the party to overcome the majority the Dems have. How bad off will we be by then? This new party will have to do some serious work to get the moderates back as well as keeping a conservative base.

    The Constitution Party is isolationism, the Libertarians lack self-identity, the Republicans...well are Republicans, and the Dems are off their rocker.
  • aborto-centrists left behind?
    Lets please do leave the ANTI-CHOICE(pro-life is a stupid inaccurate term) crowd behind. This would be a brilliant move, and smart for the GOP. Let those 'earth is flat' nutjobs form the theocracy party they've always wanted. Hey maybe once they are solidified and figure out they won't get anywhere in America(or anyplace that likes the concept of logic), maybe they can head over to somewhere like Iran or Saudi Arabia where they can live in the moral police state they seem to romanticize about.
  • Ain't going to happen.
    Newt is damaged goods. He abandoned his party and his constituents in 1998 and will never be forgiven. He is just another Georgia political hack that is looking for a home in the Libertarian Party, just like Barr and Boortz. I wasted my vote on Newt once, never again! While a true third party is needed, one with a bunch of disgruntled politicians is not the way to get the movement going.
  • abortion
    As a woman, I agree that abortion just needs to be left out of the debate. I'm sick of that issue being used as a wedge by both parties. Abortion is not a political issue, it's a moral and medical choice that needs to be kept between a woman, her doctor and her god. Love you long time Neal.
  • I dont want to be in the same party...
    ... with a group of power hungry men who think they can tell a woman what she can do with her own body. Time for a 3rd party... The party of Thinkers. Think, people! Read some history or something.
  • Abortion
    It seems that people who support the population growth use the excuse that abortions are robbing us of future taxpayers. The reality is that most of this growth could be compared to the replacing of a blood bank with a leech farm. I am a Republican and one of those nasty moderates.
  • Dissolution
    I think we may be seeing the beginning of a movement not to split parties, but to split the States into 2, 3, or 4 republics reflecting the values of their consituents. If it can be done bloodlessly, I'm not sure I'd be unhappy with such a dissolution.

    Of course, that would probably give Obama an excuse to play Lincoln and use the military to put down those who support such a dissolution.
  • Neal,
    Since you just had "the great one" on yesterday hawking his book, The Conservative Manifesto why don't you write The Libertarian Manifesto? Maybe you can convince Newt to co-author it with you.
  • I'd vote for Newt
    My only hangup on Newt is his attempt to impeach Clinton and how hard he pushed that through the House, I think it was a pointless issue. Overall, if he was the head of a new 3rd party, he'd secure my vote if he brings back a Contract for America, or the like.
  • Boortz fails on foreign policy....
    Libertarians recognize the threat Islamic fascism poses. The difference between us who are usually traditional conservatives vs the more left wing neo-conservatives(Bush,Mccain,Cheney, Patriot Act types) is that we go a step further in wanting to stop inspiring muslims to unite against America.
    Boortz you seem to consistently fail to recognize a lot of the nature of the problem. America and the west have been intervening in these poeple's affairs since the first world war. If the Saudis were in America trying to redraw America's borders and telling them how to live and building military bases here, Americans would NOT like it and would probably be willing to fight about it. It works the same way for them. Why do miss the painfully obvious? Are there muslims who want sharia law and jhimmitude for the planet? You bet. Let's stop putting cash in their pockets(foreign aid some call it) and let's stop giving them a convenient and effective recruitment tool in American military presence in the middle east. Besides there's no more money to police the world with America being 11 trillion in debt. Let us always rememebr the idiots telling us there is a terror threat are the same one who REFUSE to do anything about securing the border and getting illegals out.It doesn't make sense to call the troops liberators...not if you understand the history of that place and what western intervention has been doing over there for years. If we were being honest we would say "interventionists". If Americans are liberators then throw a dart at the continent of Africa and lets get started on the next invasion America can't afford.
  • I'd support an alternative to the GOP
    . . . if it does the following:
    1. Leaves the evangelical/ cultural conservative wing of the GOP behind.
    2. Leaves science to the scientists.
    3. Practices true fiscal conservatism . . . not just rhetoric, but true honest-to-goodness fiscal discipline that means making tough budgetary choices that may be unpopular.
    4. Advocates getting out of the foreign aid business. The only thing foreign aid does -- particularly aid to Israel -- is make us enemies around the world. As your elementary school teacher used to say, mind your own business and worry about yourself. Once we've perfected our own country, then and only then should we go around trying to make the rest of the world a better place.
    5. Similar to #4, we pull all U.S. troops out of all other countries unless there is a clear, compelling, unambiguous national security need to be there.
  • YES!
    Right on, Neal! The problem with the 2-party system is that the nuts of each side form the grassroots of the Republican and Democrat parties. Those on the far left and those on the far right are all big-government statists! The vast majority of America who are rational, non-judgmental fiscal conservatives wishing for more freedom and smaller government have to continually choose between the lesser of two evils.
  • On the side of the road
    "let's leave those who are completely obsessed over the issue of abortion standing on the side of the road."

    And in a cloud of choking dust !!!!
  • a new party
    "...let's leave those who are completely obsessed over the issue of abortion standing on the side of the road." -ok, here's your comment. I agree completely. Abortion should be left at the table so that the important issues threatening everyone can be addressed. It won't help to save the babies if they have to live under tyranny.
  • 3rd party
    I wish we could find a John Galt to run.
  • 3rd party
    I wish we could find John Galt to run.
  • 3rd Party
    I agree with Newt. We need a true alternative. Both parties are driving the train in the same direction. The republicans maybe have the hand brake on a little tighter, but the train is still barreling down the tracks to hell.
  • Leave Pro-Lifers behind?
    Sorry Neal, that would be a bad move. Alot of those folks that value life (in ANY form) are the same ones that value liberty and the pursuit of happiness as well.

    Granted some of the more militant people make the movement look bad. Still if you're wanting to take out that group as a whole, you're just as bad as a democrat in targeting a 'group'.
  • Abortion comment ( I acutally agree with you Neal and I am pro life)
    Neal:
    I have read your website and your views on abortion. While I am a prolife Catholic and think that abortion is hideous in all forms, I do actually agree with you that it will never be illegal again in the USA... especially after the "if it feels good do it" movement of the 1960's.
    It is just that America's morals have changed, not for the better I might add, over the past few decades.
  • 3rd party
    There are no third parties with nearly enough power to break the death grip of the Dems and Republicans. Nor is there the will among the electorate to produce one.

    Obama's grace period will not easily expire with the MSM covering for him, so the outrage will take longer to build

    With that said, if Newt wants to test the waters, I'll send a few hundred to see how it goes.
  • That's fine with me.
    I'm registered Libertarian anyway, the Repubs have let us down.
  • Abortion issue
    Thank you! I have always believed the politicians use the Abortion Issue as a smokescreen to avoid the _real_ issues. I'm much more concerned to know whether a candidate can balance his bank account than what his position on abortion is.
  • Go for it
    If the right wing wants to fragment among religious nuts, economic pigs, and small-government fanatics, they're welcome to. It's not like any of those factions have much appeal to mainstream America anyway.

    By the way, do you notice Neal's continuing hatred of true libertarian ideals like avoiding pointless (and costly) oversea wars? He still can't accept that invading Iraq was unnecessary.
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