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THE AIG BONUSES

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Neal Boortz
@ March 16, 2009 8:45 AM
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Over the weekend, one of the big stories was these AIG bonuses. If you'll remember, AIG has received three government bailouts totaling $180 billion. But yesterday, the company paid out $165 million in bonuses to employees. The fact that AIG had to pay millions in bonuses, considering its massive failings, has politicians irate. Politicians don't get irate when millions of dollars are spent by government on blueberry research or lobster farms .. but let the private sector pay that type of money pursuant to a contract and all hell breaks loose. We're certainly not at all shocked to find that one of the ticked-off politicians is none other than Barney Frank. He says that we need to figure out whether or not these bonuses are "legally recoverable." Barney wants to know, "Who said and at what point, 'We're going to give these bonuses no matter what.' And I do think it's inappropriate for those people to stay in power at that company."

Hey Barney ... some taxpayers out here might want to know whether some of the pork you clowns throw around to buy votes is legally recoverable as well. Remember - if you had to put the blame for this economic mess we're facing right now on just one person in Washington, that person would, without a doubt, be Slobbering Barney. Maybe someday we'll get the full story about Barney protecting his boyfriend who worked at Fannie Mae while this mess was building.

AIG Chairman Edward Liddy says that "the firm was legally obligated to make already-committed 2008 employee-retention payments, the value of which were set early last year before problems at its Financial Products unit became public."

Here's the new reality my friends. Government can seize and spend as much as it wants where it wants and when it wants. The private sector? Not so much. God forbid a company should reward performance. Rewarding performance is something very foreign to politicians and they don't like it. They're used to punishing performance, not rewarding it. The private sector rewards performance and punishes failure .. just the opposite for Barney and his clown circus.



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  • Kudos in the bonuses stance
    I agree with you 100% on this one. Perhaps if our big nanny government had taken a few minutes to logically think over/look into these things, they would have seen this one coming. I'm so sick of everyone whining about this! Get the F*** over it! You should have seen it coming. Just goes to show you not to stick your hand in the private sector!
  • AIG
    The Obama Administration spends $1Billion per hour in pork ladden bills and the Dems tell us that the "chattering class" should shut up about the 8-10% of pork in the bills. AIG spend less than 1/10 of 1% on bonuses they committed to when times were good and Obama thinks the sky is falling. Just who makes up the "chattering class" now?
  • gimme a break
    I don't like the bonuses, but I don't want a president using his power to violate legal contracts or decide what people earn--and if we hadn't used our tax dollars for these bailouts and let them go bankrupt, this wouldn't be an issue. I also wanted us to let the car companies go bankrupt in the first place to void the union contracts which I think are holding them down.

    But, that said, the way Neal has gone out of his way to defend the AIG contracts that go to a few hundred while having attacked the union contracts that go to tens of thousands makes him sound like an out-of-touch, elitist douche. If he thinks he's helping in the fight against class warfare, I dare say he's confused.

    And if he thinks that asking callers to name an AIG exec/trader is in any way, shape or form a convincing argument, then I think it's time for another long vacation if he's not ready to retire.
  • Re: Doug Seal
    No. AIG is, or rather was (after this bailout), not "quasi government" at all, and not at all like Fanny Mae or Freddie Mac. It's a private (though publicly traded) company. It actually isn't even really American to a large extent (founded in China and still partially headquartered in Hong Kong, with significantly international presence). So no, Congress had absolutely nothing to do with this bonus contract.

    Also, Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac were not controlled by Congress to the extent you suggest, at least before the changes resulting from the financial crisis. They were chartered by Congress, and legally supported to some degree, but not funded or run by them.
  • This is rewarding incompetence, not performance, at is at our expense
    "rewarding performance"? What in the world? These guys ran their company into the ground. It's rewarding incompetence and criminality is what it is, regardless of your idealistic assertions about the private sector. And it's doing it with taxpayer dollars at a time when it is uncertain that AIG will survive for the people who actually should be getting money to get it.

    Guess what? Private businesses can be as or more corrupt than the government! AIG obviously is.

    One of the requirements of the bailout should have been that everyone in charge of the company when it failed is fired with no severance and required to help fund the bailout with their own assets. Otherwise they should have been completely nationalized.

    Politicians on both sides of the aisle said we needed to fund the bailout to save our economy, especially our retirement. Let's say we accept that. We still certainly don't need to save the incompetent idiots responsible for the banks' failure.

    Also, from now on if a business is "too big to fail" we break it up till it isn't anymore. We obviously can't rest our economy on the competence of these guys, especially all in one place.
  • AIG Bonuses
    I have no problem with appropriate rewards, such as bonuses, for high performance. However, if the AIG executives had earned the bonuses, NO bailout would have been necessary. The existance of the bailouts proves that they failed to do their jobs, and the bonuses should be cancelled. Perhaps an alternative would be to arrest them for extorting money from the government!
  • Employee Retention Bonus for Failure?
    Sorry, Niel, you're wrong on this one. While you're right about the utter failure and corruption and needless expense of government, but...

    Why pay a performance bonus for running the company and the American economy into the ground? Why pay employee retention bonuses for employees who caused that failure who deserve to be canned and find themselves on the bread lines.
  • AIG performance
    OK, so I am confused... Didn't AIG get bailout $$ for not performing? Are the execs getting bonuses for doing a good job?
  • What Performance?
    Exactly what performance are they being rewarded for? If this is a matter of keeping "the best and the brightest", then why not let the whole lot go. Surely we can fill these positions with some out of work financiers capable of only losing $61.6 Billion.
  • Neal is full of it
    In his November 21, 2008 column Neal urged GM to break its contracts with the UAW. Today he defends AIG's bonuses because of their contracts. What a hypocrite.
  • It would be a real hoot
    It would be a real hoot if all the AIG execs would quit their jobs right now. Let the company go out of business - or maybe Tim Geithner could step in and run it all by himself?
  • and on the lighter side...
    LOL...god, but that always cracks me up..."slobbering" Barney.

    Just off the wall, I know somebody did some survey about how many women wanted to have sex with the president (why ANYONE wanted to have that information, I don't know), but I bet nobody's done one for Barney. For good reason. Ack...why does weird crap like that pop into my head? Can you imagine? No, don't...it's not a pretty mental image. LOL (and no, I don't do drugs or abuse alcohol)

    I'm sorry folks, but I have a really hard time taking that Barney Goober seriously. He's such a dork.
  • Bonuses and Performance
    Why shouldn't AIG employees get their bonuses? If people understand bonuses than they would understand that that they are tied to performance. If I make my numbers then I have earned my bonus. I don't give a rat's rump about the marginal performer who didn't make his numbers. Maybe he should have worked harder. This is part of my compensation package and if you are not going to pay me what I have earned than I will go out and find someone who will.
    Oh, and by the way, the same protocal that gets me my bonus can also get me fired if I don't make my numbers. So, if we are going to suspend bonuses for peak performers are we going to suspend the punishment for substandard performers? There is a real morale builder.
  • Wake up Neal!!!
    Stop talking about this red herring that is the bonuses and start talking about the entire $170 Billion bailout. I know you love to use every opportunity to criticize the left but that solves nothing. $170 Billion is going to banks through AIG and you want to talk about Blueberry research and Lobster farms. Tell your listeners that AIG isn't being bailed out. They are being used as conduit through which Federal Reserve Notes are being given to International banks and purchasers of Credit default swaps. Tell them why AIG is getting bailout money. It's not to help the company. It's to give it to the insolvent banks that would have no way of saving themselves without it. Your incompetence is dispicable! Stop misleading your listers!!! Do something to actually help this country!!! Spread the truth about relevant issues!!! By the way, I'd rather have someone get an earmark for a local project than have the federal spend our money completely. FYI, budget amounts are determined before earmarks.
  • AIG bonuses
    Neal said, "The private sector rewards performance and punishes failure..."

    And that is the exact reason everyone is so upset. There has never been a failure as big as the failure of AIG. The stock market certainly has dished out a heap of punishment. The people who received the bonuses are being rewarded for failure. How can anyone possibly look at AIG and claim the top executives had a good performance in 2008? That's why everyone is mad, not wealth envy. Yes, there's a lot of wealth envy out there, but that doesn't apply to this situation.
  • Barney
    What I find scary is that Barney Frank likes to say that the "federal government has an 80% stake" in AIG. Excuse me??? The way I see it is that the American People, or tax paying American people, are the ones that have a stake in the bailout money being given. Where does Barney think all this money comes from?

    He needs to put his purple outfit back on and do something that's more along the lines of what he's qualified to do.
  • Neal said it all... a quick "copy and paste"
    Same thing applies to AIG Commissions/Bonuses.

    "Know what? I'm on the association's side. He knew what the rules were when he moved in. If he wants to put a flag pole out there in his front yard ... move to an area where there is no homeowner's association and no restrictive covenants to abide by. Sorry to say it .. but this guy is being a jerk. He signed a contract ... he should be a man and live within its terms."

    Duh!
  • AIG BONUSES
    Bonuses don't need to be handed out until all of the Government Bail Out money has been REPAID to the American TAXPAYER! PLAIN & SIMPLE

    Until then, NOONE at AIG deserves ANY BONUSES!
  • Barney Frank
    How about instead of slobbering Barney you refer to him as Barney the knob gobbler? Just a thought
  • Why so much reverence for executives?
    I don't understand Neal Boortz and Herman Cain's reverence for corporate executives with respect to pay. Executives are just "business" majors (B.A., M.B.A.) - the most common and abundant type of college degree. As I see it, they are a dime a dozen and don't deserve such high salaries. If some executive wants to quit if no bonuses are given, there is ALWAYS another business major with enough expereince to take over. Nothing special here.
  • AIG, Fannie and Freddy
    Hey Neal,

    Aren't Fanny Mae, Freddy Mac, and AIG all "Quazi government" entities, subject to government oversight and intervention? If so, where was congress when AIG's bonus contract was written? If it was such a bad idea, wasn't it Congress' duty to prevent it instead of waiting until the supposed damage was done and then try to place blame on somebody else?
  • Dumb Holes
    Holy Shinola are these people stupid. Do they really believe as they seem to that companies any company can unilaterally decide not to honor its contractual obligations? I guess as long as its politically expedient sure why not?

    But Neal why stop there? Why don't they, not pay their water bill, electricity, healt insurance tabs, office supplies, what? Why stop there, there's more they can renig on... why not Barney and Barry Gibb (that idiot press (another word for cat) was exclaiming on tv today. What an idiot.

    Listen up America, AIG is dead as a company. We all know that, there is no way AIG will pay anything it doesnt legally owe; I trust that there are enough bean counters at AIG that are really pinching pennies and trying to find every reason not to pay obligations, but at the end of the day what the o'bozo morons and cronies don't seem to get is this... if you've incurred an obligation you have to pay it - whether you like it or not.

    What idiot clowns these morons are.

    Good day, Sir.
  • It's all about
    CONTROL. Does no one see this? The USG in it's current stupor thinks it can just throw (our) money at some failing institution with NO guidlines and EXPECT them to change how they do business overnight....or ever for that matter? Now they feel justified to bash (along with the dumb masses) because they don't THINK that 'bonuses' that were in the original AIG contract is 'RIGHT'? Now the USG is going after the money they freely tossed at AIG. It's all about power and control folks.
    If any business takes bailout money they better be ready for the possible takover of the Imperial Federal Government. CYCBI.
  • AIG
    Wake up Neal and listeners!!! Stop criticizing pork Neal and criticize the entire AIG bailout. Where is the $170 BILLION going? It's not going to AIG. The company is worthless. It's going straight to the banks whom AIG insured through CREDIT DEFAULT SWAPS. Do you really think AIG will be able to make $170 billion in profit again now that the Government owns 80% of the company!!! They probably never made $170 billion profit in their entire history! The FED is using AIG as a siphon to the politically and financially priveleged. Kiss that money good bye. But Neal still focuses on Pork and Earmarks. Talk about the $170 billion Neal or are you not allowed to or are you just that economically incompetent?
  • A Little Perspective
    Let's bring this down to earth a bit. This scenario is no different than a company receiving a $180,000 LOAN, then taking a whopping $165 to give a salesman as a bonus.

    The message being sent to us by our own government is so far greater than recuperating bonus money.
  • Wow.
    I would hate to see what these bonuses would have been if AIG actually made a PROFIT last year!

    And they're paying to retain the bozos that got them into this mess? Wow. I'd bet my janitor could do better than some of these execs.

    Getting off their case and back to Slobbering Barney...

    Neal, it's been a while since you've written a book. Now seems to be a good time.
  • Bonus
    I hope they're rollin' dope with $100 bills. You give them money and then gripe about it, give me a freakin' break. Private business + public moolah = WAH WAH WAH. What a topic. Neal, lets move on to the next subject--- State Bailouts
  • Bonuses and excessive compensation
    Why is it that executives could actually run large corporations before the 1990s without gettting ridiculous levels of compensation, stock options, 10's of millions in bonuses, and outrageous golden parachute packages? Sure these pre-90s executives got well-deserved great salaries, and possibly even a percentage of their salaries as a Christmas bonus. Today why has this level of compensation gotten so excessive? Why aren't executives held accountable for their performance. The $230 million golden parachute package to a parting CEO of a large home renovation chain comes to mind as one example.

    The only reason I can think about why you, Rush and others are so in favor of excessive compensation for executives is that some of these people are golfing buddies of you.

    Why can't executives earn, say 30 or 50times the average salary of the workers at their corporations. Talent doesn't always need a ridiculous compensation package.
    And talent is something we haven't seen too much of in the financial corporate world these days.
  • Dicey Issue
    First AIG should have been allowed to FAIL.

    Now you have to realize the company has been bailed out but the company is made up of individuals who expect their work to be paid for.
    If an individual hits his performance he should be paid what he was told he would be paid. If you take that away from that individual then you are in effect robbing him of his achievement and the work he used to get it.
    Unions are a collective and have to sign on to have collective negotiations. That is why it is different.
    AIG should now go to each employee and try to renegotiate their contract on a employee by employee basis and at that time the employee has the choice to accept the government servitude that comes from the bailout or can leave.
  • Bonuses
    I work for AIG on the property and casualty insurance side. I can tell you that I got NO merit increase this year (raise for those gov't educated), no bonus, no compensation for unused sick days, we are not allowed company travel reimbursement, they sold our fleet car, and 700+ employees were laid off from 10+ offices being closed. If they are paying these bonuses, it is ONLY because they are contractually obligated. I am not a "company man" but I can tell you they are counting dimes and nickels and I work on the profitable side of AIG!

    Sometimes it helps to understand what you are talking about before slobbering in front of a TV camera or microphone BARNEY!
  • AIG Bonus Flap
    AIG was a thriving company until Eliot Spitzer decided to investigate the former CEO Hank Greenburg for fraud. As we all know, this investigation was just a sham to scare the board of directors. Now this company is on the edge of bankruptcy in a three period. Now AIG has pay out bonuses that were contractually stipulated to the workers. If the Government, does stop these payouts, the workers can sue to get this money back. The people that should be on the chopping block should be Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and Harry Reid.
  • bonuses for failure
    .... never heard of such a thing, but it's the fault of the feds for not stipulating that bonuses are not to be paid if the taxpayers are footing the bill. Of course, companies should NEVER be bailed out by the taxpayers in the first place. Then again, the feds should have never forced banks to make risky loans.
  • Hypocrites
    Didn't Obama and Congress just finish doing this with the pork laden $400+ billion budget? Just tell them it was last year's business!
  • AIG
    The performance of that company should be rewarded with a trip to the poor house for the executives, not BONUSES! I thought bonuses were given when your company did well, not when you had to go begging.
  • bonus
    Who gives a flyin crap what they do with the money?!? I hope they're rollin dope with 100 dollar bills. Give a crackhead 20 bucks he'll get high. They're gonna do with money what they've been doing with it.
    Barney is just pi$$ed because he wasn't consulted on how to invest it.
  • makes me sick
    As another poster below pointed out, these companies should not even be getting our money to save them. Government manipulated(and still does) the free market, and a huge bubble is the result. When the market tries correcting itself, the government yet again interferes and tries to keep the bubble inflated. This correction needs to happen, and it WILL happen- how much more government sticks its big, stupid nose in will dictate how severe it will be.

    Neal-is it not income redistibution for my tax money to be taken, without my agreeing, to give bonuses to the workers of a failing business? Or does the term "income redistribution" only apply when it is the lower class receiving the money. I agree with neither scenario; But you are a true hypocrite for whining about the latter one, while saying that these companies need to reward performance. Is it because they are the so-called "high achievers"(PC for rich) that they require taxpayer money to give bonuses?

    This company, as well as every other company that is begging for jhelp, should be allowed to fully fail. Go bankrupt and reorganize yourselves as every "average" American business owner would have to. I have no idea why people, myself included, are not rioting out in the streets protesting this.
  • Those criticizing AIG
    It's funny, but most of the "armchair quarterbacks" criticizing how AIG was run wouldn't know how to run a lemonade stand profitably (And that goes double for those in congress). Just because you were forced to give some taxpayer money doesn't make you a business expert. I'm not happy with the bailout either, but I'm not about to start saying what they should or should not be doing with almost no information about their internal operations (unlike all the politicians and their sheep).
  • Frankly speaking...
    I have read some great some almost great comments. Has anybody else seen "Mr. Margorium's Magic Emporium"? I swear Dustin Hoffman got the character profile from Barney...it's uncanny! I kept waiting for him to go off on CEO's and bonuses and all those bad people on Wall Street and Lions and Tigers and Bears...oh my! Wait, wrong reference on that last bit.
  • AIG Bouses
    The Comgress is outraged! At least that's what they show on TV. Isn't it more likely that that Congress gave AIG the money, know about the bonuses to be paid and simply told AIG, "The people really have no idea what's going on, however, please understand that we the politicians must show that we are outraged over such misuse over the people's money. It's not the people we're concerned about, it's our jobs in the Congress thats at stake. Cynical, yes. Accurate? you be the judge.
  • Wow
    This isn't about "God forbid a company should reward performance"; if you think they are a private company rewarding performance, then look again.
  • Some Contracts Are More Equal Than Others
    Funny that UAW working stiffs have to have their contracts "renegotiated" as a prerequisite for a bailout, but not a jot nor a tittle shall be changed in the contracts of these guys who actually made the decisions that put AIG down the drain.
  • A lot of unknowns here...
    On the one hand, bad, bad, pr move. Ye shall reap what ye shall sow. On the other hand, if the board of trustees approved the bonuses as part of compensation, shame on the board. The Execs who recieve the bonuses should consider the ramifications of taking a bonus when business was off so badly. But Barney Frank whining like a child about the bonuses...he should hold himself and others in Congress to the same standards. No rewards for poor performance! This is the ultimate 'pot calling the kettle black', chock full of irony, example of hipocracy! Does it bother me that these guys get bonuses? Let's just say, it bothers me less than re-electing people like Barney Frank and giving them free passes.
  • Frank's comment on AIG bonuses and jobs
    I thought it was funny and a case of the pot calling the kettle black when I heard Barney Frank's comment on the news about "These people (AIG) may have a right to their bonuses. They don't have a right to their jobs forever." I am sure that Frank thinks that he has a right to keep his senate job forever.
  • Politician vs Bankrupt Judge
    This is what happens when politicians rush in the save the day verses letting the company go bankrupt and have judges and teams experienced with these issues solve them. Simple as that. Government = disaster when it comes to business.
  • Bonuses....
    I think I've figured out Neal's logic. When his ratings were up, and Cox was making pools of money off of him, he deserved the fat paycheck/bonus. But now that he's slipped down a couple of notches (behind KISS 104, for goodness sake), and WSB is running lower cost ads back to back to back, he still deserves a bonus...just like the evil b@stards at AIG, NationsBank, et. al.

    Neal - reign in the obvious attempts to be controversial, put the brakes on the number of companies Belinda (and the annoying homeshow guy) shrills items for, and just be happy (as you were for so long) being a second-class fiddle (no matter how much you biatch, you aren't going to eclipse the Baby Jesus) - and maybe, given time, your audience will return.
  • AIG Bonuses
    Outrage over these bonuses is a diversion. The real issue is the vast amount of unregulated credit default swaps that make "bailouts" necessary. Do something about that, Barney Frank.
  • Another idea
    Here's another idea. Why not give a bonus to the "little guy" on the front lines of these banks. Like the tellers who are out on the line having to explain to people, as best they can, why their bank is failing and why their unemployment debit card is being hit with so many outrageous fees for usage. How about putting that money in your unemployment account so you can extend employment benifits for people you just laid off. Putting that money back in the hands of the people who need to spend money on groceries and diapers and the economy may get the jump start that it needs. Just a thought.
  • this is perfect!
    This is a perfect example of how this administration and the previous one to some extent rushed to solve the "financial crises" without thinking anything through past saving their own asses and looking like they were"doing something now". And can you blame AIG?This is what happens when you offer basicly an unlimited amount of "free" money with no strings or even a payback plan to anyone. I mean I wouldn't refuse it if it was offered to me under the conditions AIG was given.If anyone wants to blame Bush for this (hello copyleft)then I won't argue with that.The entire government screwed it up,but I had hoped they would learn something from the mistake.The current Obama administration is not only failing to learn from these mistakes but just repeating them.For years they ragged on the economy and how bad the administration was but now they are doing the same.They are using "crisis"to take advantage for the entrenchment of the party.Each party has its own solution for THE PROBLEM and neither really give a rats ass about anything but staying in power. Unfortunatly most voters are either too stupid or too busy surviving to take the time to understand what is going on and will continue to vote in selfish,self-serving bozos like Barney,Nancy and company on both sides of the aisle. ALSO anyone in office who has the attitude of"never let a crisis go to waste" needs to removed and treated the same as a war profiteer at best.This is a war for the survival of this country and to put personal or political gain before duty is obscene.The power of the vote is a piss-poor weapon when it is watered down by ignorance,illegal voters,and groups like acorn.Maybe if voter fraud was a capital crime then the quality of elected officals would improve and your vote would actually mean something.In the mean time maybe it time to invest in ammo.
  • AIG Bonuses
    The real issue on the bonuses is disclosure. Those working on these bailouts everyday knew or should have known of the bonus programs, and there was no public discourse. If there had been, the bonuses would have departed. The issue is not one of contract because when the bailout was first considered it should have been conditioned on the elimination of such programs. The bonus contracts would not have been dishonored, but they would have been unfunded until they were renegotiated. this is either intentional nondisclosure or absolute incompetence.
  • Holding dp pols to contracts is like holding them to their word.
    It just ain't going to happen. Like keeping their word and contracts they agree to but decide they don't like, a single standard for all is beyond them.

    Maybe someone will ask them why UAW contracts are sacred, and bank employee contracts are okay to break. I won't hold my breath on that one.
  • public outcry
    The outcry is that these people, who already make 10's of millions of dollars in salary, are getting millions in bonuses from a failing business. I don't understand how a CEO of a business, or anyone there for that matter, can get say that they are doing their job when they crawled to Washington and BEGGED for bailout money. If failing is succeding, then I try too hard. My husband is a district manager of a resturant chain and if his businesses fail, then he gets no raise, no bonus, and more than likely he is replaced with someone who can do a better job.

    These people justified the payout in a news report saying that they would be sued if they did not pay because they were under contract. Doesen't that contract say that you must do your job first? Succeed? Grow the company? Maybe I am just not up to speed on how major banks work, but it seems that the $160 million could have helped them along to pay back their "loan" to America (of which we know will never happen).
  • Here's a question..
    Is it just me or am I the only one who's only upset that they got my taxpayer money to begin with??? Who gives a rat's @ss what they're spending it on? I mean, the fact that the government felt it was perfectly fine to take my money to start with is what's insulting. The reality is, they could spend it all on hats as far as I care, because it's stolen money to begin with.
  • This is Part of the Liberal Conspiracy...
    ....to nationalize the financial sector and reward incompetence. Just look at the bailout to the so-called "minority-owned" bank that Maxine Waters (D-California) has a substantial stake in.

    Barney Frank is just part of a long line of corrupt Democrats that infest our legislative and executive branches; "Cold-Cash" Jefferson, "Tax-cheat wunderkid" Geithner, "Open Borders" Solis, Franklin "Fannie" Raines (corrupt Fannie Mae boss now an advisor to the sock puppet president), Vivek Kundra (raided by the FBI last week in a sting operation), Nancy Pelosi (travel corruption coming to light), Adolfo Carrion (under investigation for illegal campaign financing),Diane Feinstein (URS Corp and Perrini earmarks), Harry Reid (Whittemore investments), Obama (Rezko real estate transaction), and on and on and on it goes...
  • Not a big deal
    Remember the pork-riddled budget bill that was just passed? According to Democrats, the pork was justified because it was only less than "1%" of the total bill. So what is the big deal here? The bonuses are less than .1% of the total government bailout, so why the outcry?
  • The AIG Bonus
    If AIG owed it's employees money because the contract called for it. Why is it called a bonus. The definition of bonus is "something given or paid over and above what is due." taken from Dictionary.com.
  • AIG Bonuses
    If AIG had been allowed to fail, like it should have, these AIG execs would be getting $0 bonuses. The government got what it deserved by giving taxpayer money to the private sector again. It's not right or fair to AIG's competitors who should be bidding for the AIG's assets in bankruptcy court right now.

    I will never say that government has a right to determine anybodies salary or put a cap on anybodies pay but I believe that the stockholder's do have that right. If any exec takes a ridiculous cash sum out of any corporation it HAS to effect the companies worth and stock value. The problem is the that the system of checks & balances between the execs and shareholders, that should be in place, is no longer working. Stockholders used to keep execs in line by their votes. But times have changed. Large numbers of shares are now held in mutual funds or in pension plans where the shareholders don't get the voting proxies. Additionally more people own stocks now and the average stock owner is not as informed or knowledgeable about how to vote to best protect his stock and corporation value anymore, so they don't vote either.

    Perhaps some changes are needed in the corporate structure and laws in America to reflect changes the US has seen. They revamped the antiquated bankruptcy laws a few years ago, perhaps corporate laws need to change to give the stockholders more power within a corporation since proxy voting may no longer be effective. Might have prevented the whole AIG debacle in the first place.

    Stockholders need to do what the government failed to do at AIG - maximize shareholder's compensation and value - not the execs only. But this need to be done by the private sector -- not the government.
  • AIG bonuses
    I know you think I'm an idiot, but stop and think. If a company is in such bad shape that it has to go to the well not once, not twice, but three times. The only bonus these executives deserve, know matter what department they work in, is not being fired.
  • AIG bonuses
    You said: " The private sector rewards performance and punishes failure .. just the opposite for Barney and his clown circus. "

    Excuse me Neal but, what "GOOD PERFORMANCE" are you talking about when speaking of the AIG bonuses?

    The only 'good performance' from the company's view I guess is the fact that they were able to SWINDLE the American Taxpayer out of BILLIONS OF DOLLARS that never should have gone to AIG. Yeah, I can see the board room right now.
    "HAAHahahhhaha, are profits just went up and the only thing we had to sell was a ONE SOB STORY to the U.S. Government and they fell for it ! ....hhahahahah, BONUSES FOR EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM!!!!"

    Yeah Neal, I see the "talent" you're talking about.
  • Bonus
    Can we please move on!
  • Not all Bonuses go to just the execs.
    How much of this went to Salary employees that are not EXECS? Everyone is jumping to the conclusion that all this money is going to the Evil CEO's. Some of this Bonuses could be going to salary sales teams that met their objectives.

    Not everyone that gets bonuses actually run or has any real say in how the company operates!

    Just something to think abouth.
  • Doesn't mean he agrees with the bonuses guys, READ
    Neal is pointing out that nobody cares when Government makes bad decisions on spending but are up in arms over AIG bonuses...he never said he agreed with them...take a pill.

    All he said was that its usually in their contract so AIG has to pay up either way...
  • AIG Bonuses
    Barney should actually be pleased. The governament will be "Recovering" quite a bit of this money. Probably about 35% of it. If the execs who got bonuses live in NYC you can bet that Mayor Bloomberg is happy they are getting their bonuses. NYC will get about 8% of it.
  • Bonus
    Less than one tenth of one percent of the 180,000,000,000. Still a huge number.
  • Bonuses
    Well it turns out the bonuses are actually going to the London bureau who got AIG into this mess in the first place through obligating AIG to 2 Trillion dollars in Credit Default Swaps. AIG, based on British law, would have to pay 2x the bonus amount if they lose in court (which is highly likely)...

    The whole issue of 'retaining the best' is simply ridiculous. Bonuses are meant pay for past performance. Stock options are used for retention.

    If AIG were to defer those bonues, and double them if an employee stays, and AIG somehow extricates itself from government ownership, AND PERFORMANCE GOALS ARE MET, much of the noise would end. This would ensure long term wealth creation and conserve precious current capital.

    A good solution, if AIG continues down the current path, is to write a specific congressional law, valid only for the 2008 tax year, which would tax any options provided by AIG to any employee at 150%, and would not tax any options provided to an employee at all for one year once the US is paid back.
  • Bonuses
    As far in the whole as AIG was, if performance is being awarded, their executives should be paying AIG back, they shouldn't be receiving bonuses. Performance should be rewarded. Mediocrity or failure (as these execs proved) shouldn't be.
  • I'm all for rewarding performance
    But if AIG is the standard-bearer for performance in this country, I'm concerned. There is about as much honest and deserved job performance by the executive leadership at AIG as there is on the sidewalk outside your neighborhood soup kitchen. MY tax dollars went to go help keep a company from going under by it's own fault, not to send Joe the Executive home with some fat cash after running his metaphoracal ship aground. I am on a pay for performance plan at my job, and when I miss my quota, I dont get a bonus. In fact, If I have such an epic miss as this, I don't get to keep my job. Where do these guys get off? I guess it would be a shame to bring in someone who might do honest work, so lets just keep throwing money at crooks.
  • Contracts
    As someone for whom bonuses have been an important part of compensation for several years, I would like to know what the terms of the contracts were promising the bonuses. The higher up one is in the food chain, the more corporate performance factors into a bonus payout. If AIG was on the verge of bankruptcy, I would have to assume that corporate performance bonuses would be slim or none. If these are retention bonuses, promised way before they knew the company was failing, why did they give out retention bonus contracts?

    I don't have a problem with the bonuses per se, but I do think someone needs to look into the terms and conditions of the bonus contracts. Employees who were not responsible for the decisions that caused the company to fail should not have to suffer financially for those who did make those decisions. I would hope the people heading the Financial Products unit did not get bonuses.
  • Copyleft
    I wonder if your mother has one eye that sits lower than the other and your father is missing some teeth, Copyleft? I just left the restroom after doing my mid-morning ritual of "Bombing Porcelain Harbor" and had a much more intelligent conversation with myself than with you.
  • Legally obligated?
    It's funny that they feel legally obligated to pay out these bonuses, but not legally obligated to have enough cash to cover their credit default swaps or legally obligate to go bankrupt when it turns out they were essentially running a confidence scam.
  • "Before the problems...became public"
    Notice the wording on their statement. They didn't say "Before the problems were known". They said "Before the problems...became public".

    In other words, they already knew there were severe problems regarding the performance of these execs. They intended to grease their palms anyway.
  • AIG
    If they were instead allowed to go into bankruptcy, they could have renegotiated many of their contracts including CDS and bonuses. In that case they would have paid out much less money to different banks and their executives. But then the banks who purchased CDS at AIG would have been in more trouble. It's a vicious circle but someone has to take responsibility for all the bad loans (Fannie and Freddie and all of their goons sound like good candidates to me).
  • The real reason the government is irate...
    ...is because these bonuses paid out puts truth to the lie that this money was needed so badly in the first place.

    Bush and Paulson said "Jump", and the Democrat controlled congress asked "How high?". They don't like being exposed for the headless chickens that they are.
  • Neal why do you keep defending the looters?
    If AIG hadn't looted MY money through that damned government handout, they would have gone T-U and those so-called contracts wouldn't have been honored anyway.

    Any "looter" company who takes a government handout deserves all the misery their new masters can heap on them.

    Neal why do you keep defending the looters?
  • Rewarding scumbags
    Neal - how's that tact working out for you? A company loses BILLIONS of dollars, is NOT profitable, and yet is paying hundreds of millions of OUR dollars in bonuses and retention fees? Two points:
    Who the hell deserves a bonus for driving a company to near bankruptcy?

    Tell me, oh smart one, just how many of the dirtbags at Delta stuck around after getting their retention bonuses? What makes you think it's going to be any different at AIG...and even if it were, would you WANT morons like that to stick around?
  • AIG would otherwise be greedy...
    Should we imagine what would probably happen if AIG had refused to pay ANY of the bonuses they were contractually required to pay? I'm sure someone would be out there crying about how that big greedy corporation is refusing to pay the employees what they were due.

    They can't win.
  • Funny comment from Barney Frank
    "Maybe it's time to fire some people, We can't keep them from getting bonuses but we can keep them from having their jobs."
    Yeah, then they'll be out of a job and will depend on welfare. No wait a minute, they work for AIG and already depend on welfare!
  • Let them sue
    AIG blew it. They were going belly up and the investors were going to lose their butts. However, investing is a gamble and the investors lost. What infuriates me most about this whole mess are the people in Washington who felt the need to give AIG 180 billion tax payer dollars. However, if AIG took the money, that Faustian agreement means that AIG is now answerable to the taxpayers.
  • Bonuses
    Most people who are outraged at the bonuses probably never got one so they don't understand how they work. You meet or exceed your goals for the year you get a percentage bonus. You make enough sales, you get a percentage of this back. With trillions in sales last year, I am sure 165 million is warranted. Again, those against this don't understand how bonuses work.

    One way to get Barney to back off: Tell him the ones receiving the bonus are union workers.
  • Barney Frank
    I thought there was a grand jury empaneled that was investigating Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and had subpoenaed documents? Is this true and if so, I could not help but think that Mr. Frank and Mr. Dodd would be of interest.

    Otherwise, only a change in Congress to a Republican majority would enable Mr. Frank to be investigated. Maybe Sen Leahey would start a Truth Commission on Mr. Frank instead of Mr. Bush.
  • Barney
    Check out this article. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Frank-assails-bonuses-paid-to-apf-14646988.html
    Barney says we're rewarding incompetence. "Frank said he believes it's time to shake up the company [AIG]. 'These people may have a right to their bonuses. They don't have a right to their jobs forever,' said Frank"

    "Frank said he was disgusted, asserting that 'these bonuses are going to people who screwed this thing up enormously.'"

    "'Maybe it's time to fire some people,' he said. 'We can't keep them from getting bonuses but we can keep them from having their jobs. ... In high school, they wouldn't have gotten retention (bonuses), they would have gotten detention.'"

    Rewarding incompetence? You mean like the cramdown bill?

    Maybe Congress has a right to their automatic pay raises, but they don't have the right to keep their jobs.

    And I have a question for Senator Frank; can we punish you for your insistence that Fannie and Freddie were in fine shape and for your total and complete lack of competence? What about all the pork you've bought votes with. Can we get that back?
  • SHOCKED!
    It is scary that the rule of law and The Constition does not matter to people. Obama and Geithner and Barney Frank all say they are "shocked that gambling is going on here". These contracts were in place before Liddy was the CEO of AIG, and AIG is obligated to pay what they agreed to, whether the people are shmucks or swindlers or bums. This situation should have been addressed by Bush and Paulson and Barney Frank before the taxpayers were on the hook for anything. But the politicians were taking care of their own and they know it. Do not blame AIG for fulfilling its legally binding promises. Blame the people who gave taxpayer money to AIG knowing good and well that they were legally obligated to pay these ridiculous scandalous bonuses. Blame whoever authorized the money going to a company with these stupid deals. If giving money to AIG had to be done regardless, then so be it. Tell taxpayers the truth instead of pointing the finger at AIG. And no, The President of The United States and Congress do not, and should not, have the authority to manadate that these companies not be legally obligated to follow the law just because they got some taxpayer money. As taxpayers we should spend more time scrutinizing money being spent by our elected officials and blame them. Be angry at the politicians for allowing this to happen.
  • The funny thing is...
    ...the likely reason AIG is paying out these bonuses is BECAUSE of government. The government intervened in the free market last October (thanks in part to Georgia’s lame Senators, Saxby Chambliss and Johnny Isakson). AIG would likely be in bankruptcy today and it would be up to a receiver to determine to receive a bonus!
  • AIG ripoff...
    After they sent me at least $5 dollars (thier cost) in junk mail, I finally got a quote from them on my car insurance they wanted three times more than what I was paying. (for the same coverage) At that rate how can they stay competetive and in business? I wish I understood why they were deserving of this bail out money.
  • AIG is... "rewarding performance"?
    Good luck with that angle, Neal. You'll need it!

    AIG's "performance" has been abysmal, and everyone knows it! That's why paying out bonuses to the screwups is so absurd.

    The attempt to change the subject is really transparent this time. We'll have to see how well the anti-populist message of "reward the failures" works with your audience, won't we?
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