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"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others."

Ayn Rand

Nobody's listening.

SO ... IT'S STIMULUS YOU WANT?

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Neal Boortz
@ March 12, 2009 8:30 AM
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I talked about this yesterday, but I wanted to put it in Nealz Nuze today for two reasons:

  1. If you disagree I want you to put your thoughts in writing and add them as a comment to this section of the Nuze.
  2. I wanted to give other radio talk show hosts who use my program notes an opportunity to present this idea to their listeners.

Obama's grand stimulus plan is going to increase our budget deficit - and our national indebtedness - by over one trillion dollars. The idea, of course, is to pour this money into our economy right now and get things kicking, then we worry about paying it all back later ... like when the burden falls on our children and grandchildren.

So we can assume, I guess, that the goal here is to get money into our economy to kick start things. I see a few choices here. First, we could borrow the money as Obama has done. Second, we could raise taxes on the evil rich and let the government spend their money instead of them. Third, we could find that trillion dollars somewhere else and bring it home to work in our domestic economy.

Hmmm ... find a trillion dollars? Sounds like a pretty tough assignment, doesn't it. But would it really be all that hard?

Let's look overseas. Why? Because a lot of American individuals and businesses have a lot of their money in overseas accounts and investments where that money can work and grow without being subjected to our punishing taxes. Remember, the United States has the second-highest corporate tax rate in the industrialized world. Just how much American money is working overseas in dollar-denominated deposits? Estimates vary, and the global economic downturn certainly has affected this number, but a few years ago a good estimate would have been around $12 to $13 trillion dollars. Who knows.. maybe that figure is around $8 trillion now .. but whatever, there's your "found" trillion dollars. All you have to do is bring that money home.

Now what happens to an individual or business that brings some of these overseas earnings home? Taxes, that's what. The federal government steps in and takes sometimes up to 25% of that money and pours it into its various vote-buying projects. So ... the money stays overseas.

Well ... what about this plan. What if, instead of creating one-trillion dollars in increased deficit spending, Obama were to have asked congress to declare a one-year tax amnesty on American funds invested abroad. What if these individuals and businesses could have brought that money back home to work in our economy with no tax consequences whatsoever. Do you think that a tax amnesty program for offshore investors might bring back at least one trillion dollars? Who knows? Maybe two, three or more trillion! This has been done before, my friends, and it worked.

Now let me tell you why this plan may not sit well with the Obama types in Washington. The problem, as they see it, is that if some sort of tax amnesty is declared - if investors are allowed to bring their money home without having it plundered by the government - then that money is going to end up in our economy. Fine. But it won't be the government spending that money, it will be private companies and individuals. In other words, the hated private sector. If these funds bring about an economic recovery it would be private sector spending that would get the credit .. not government spending. This doesn't work for Democrats and it doesn't work for Obama.

You see, my friends ... there is a way to pour trillions of dollars into our economy without putting us any further into debt; without giving our children and grandchildren a huge bill they have to pay. This solution doesn't empower government ... so it sits on the sidelines.

Now ... your comments please? Tell me where I'm all wet on this one.

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  • Fair Tax
    I will run for president and will do whatever it takes to get the fair tax implemented. We need to do what Patriot til Death said and tell the people that want re-election that they need to be behind the fair tax 100% or else. If we all send a message to them and not vote for them unless their campaigns have the Fair Tax as one of the front running platforms, then they lose our vote. If the Libertarians could get some candidates to run and push for the Fair Tax, we might start seeing a whole lot more votes in that direction and the Republicans and Dems can just be Gone with the Wind. We just need candidates who will stand for what our country was founded on. Gosh, I will be that candidate if no one else will. Must not take too much knowledge to be in the Senate or House of Reps or even Presidency right? Look at what we have now. I think it just takes some common sense and we have not seen much of that lately at all.
  • How much money is lost overseas?
    A bill introduced in the U.S. Congress in March targeting "offshore tax dodges" by individuals and companies names Switzerland among tax havens for evaders.

    Offshore tax abuses cost the U.S. Treasury an estimated $30-60 billion in lost revenues from corporation tax, plus $40-70 billion from individuals, according to the office of Senator Carl Levin, who is sponsoring the bill.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssEnergyNews/idUSL312427120090312?feedType=RSS&feedName=rbssEnergyNews&rpc=22&pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=10452
  • Assumptions by Boortz
    First off I'm a free marketer and libertarian. But a major problem with this argument is the assumption that removing business taxes will bring these companies home. How do we know that these companies aren't overseas because of the cheap labor? I would argue that 90% of these business are not overseas because of taxes. It's the free trade concept that hurts us not taxes.
  • Late Post
    Several ideas have been tossed about, but here's my take:

    1. Pass the Fair Tax with the 16th amendment condition....period. This takes every other small bandage tax idea off the table.

    2. The national sales tax forever remains capped at 23%. Absolutely no provision should be espoused for any increase.

    3. Constitutional amendment mandating a balanced budget. If you can't run the government on 23%, tough.....cut spending.

    4. Term limits. I understand what Neal says regarding the 17th amendment, but agree more with Jamie Dupree about the corruption that would ensue. Instead, limit the senate to two terms and the house to three. No exceptions, I don't care who you're in love with.

    5. Old style presidential elections: No party VP candidate. The runner-up is the VP. Does this relegate that person to a figure head of the U.S. for state funerals and the like? Maybe, but it also means that the same person might spend more time on capital hill presiding over the Senate. Perhaps no real effect other than it would bog things down enough to limit the damage to citizens no matter which party is in power.

    I agree with the line item veto only if narrowly applied to spending; however, it would destroy any legitimately compromised legislation otherwise. Imagine a meaningful piece of legislation that had several narrowly passed amendments aimed at preserving what's left of individual liberty. The sitting president could veto any line item that would essentially return the bill to its pre-amendment form. A president that had party affiliation with the majority in congress would essentially bypass 'any' separation of power.

    Like many other ideas....pipe dream.

    Enough for now,
    Jim
  • Overseas tax holiday
    The biggest problem with the Obama and the Congress allowing overseas money to come home with no tax penalty is there will be a loss of power and control to Washington over that money.
  • DRIP
    There is one helpful way to regain control of "GUBMINT"....

    DRIP=Don't Return Incumbent Politicians!
  • Sorry Neal.
    Neal, It is a logical plan however it makes systemic assumptions about the US economy that are no longer in place.
    1) Private Property is safe.
    2) The US is under a rule of Law not of Men
    3) Capital can be put to work profitably in the US economy.

    Since Obama and the Democrats have made it abundantly clear that their top priority is not to repair the US economy but to remake it in such a way as to make it more "fair". It would be foolish to bring any money back from abroad. They are extremely disdainful of the market and have worked very hard to prop up loosing firms and well connected firms with dubious business plans so there really isn't anything to put the foreign capital to work doing in the US anyway. The constitution does not allow this kind of economic restructuring but since the courts have proven they will side with the government the law is literally what ever the party in power wants it to be so when the government comes to take your property you will have absolutely no recourse. In fact after Kelo the government has determined that it can always take your property as long as it feels that there is some social benefit to usurping it. I afraid that until the attitude of the country moves away from its current socialist fetish capital will be better employed and safer elsewhere.
  • brilliant plan
    Your ideas are brilliant, but SOB "senior O bamah" would never go for it. how are they going to buy votes without all that tax money.
  • Your economic plan
    I think the idea of a tax amensty for an extended period of time is a great idea. Unfortunately,the idea that money that is made in this country stays here for (gasp!) the private sector to utilize is definitely a foreign concept to those nasty leftwing nuts! I am a big fairtax supporter and I support any plan that helps this country get back on her feet. The wealth envy crowd needs to get a grip!
  • Stimulus
    I believe Democrats would support this plan provided it is packaged correctly. It should be portrayed as plan to boost future revenues as those trillions generate jobs, profits, consumption and all the taxes applied to those three.
  • million dollar plan
    neal, you seem to assume obama wants the economy to flourish. a great portion of the comments listed here also seem to assume economic vitality is the goal. i do not believe this to be true. based on every thing obama does/proposes chaos & failure are his goal. poorly defined bank bail outs, tax increases (personal & corporate), carbon cap & trade schemes, cabinet level "czars", current budget proposals, crushing national debt, the list goes on. business, markets & individuals can not function in an uncertain environment.
    the discussion is invigorating. but, without leadership to make it happen it's just a nice discussion.
  • Stimulus Plan
    I am not so sure that your plan could not be "packaged" in such a way as to attract the support of Democrats. A trillion or so dollars "untaxed" will ultimately net a huge tax dividend to the Treasury when that trillion generates job, profits and taxes owed.
  • Copyleft Product of Government Schools
    Copyleft, are you a product of the government school system? From what is eminating in your posts, one could come to that conclusion. It seems that you did not have any experience running a business or even being a member of Junior Achievement.
    People and business are going to go where taxes and regulations are cheaper and less restrictive.

    As many other poster have said, corporations never ever pay income tax. They only collect it as they pass the tax onto the consumer of the corporation's goods and or services.

    You may want to go to the website LewRockwell.com and read up on the Austrian School of Economics. In short Austrian school is for low taxes, less regulations and more free trade.

    With the majority of Americans like you, I now know why I have divested myself of my American holdings and am buying Yuan, Chinese Stocks and commodities.

    The Chinese are becoming more capitalistic (they are the so-called socialists) and the US is becoming more socialistic (they are the so called capitalists).
  • You ARE all wet
    Even if I didn't get hit with 25% upon bringing money back into the U.S., it would all be taxed away shortly in other taxes. Why would I want to do this? People with assets here now are trying desparately to get them OUT of the U.S. If they are ALREADY there, why would any sane person want to bring them INTO the U.S.? The U.S. has terminal biggovernmentitis, and it is now in the final stages. Sorry, not going to bring in much of any money (maybe from a few hollywood idiots).
  • Taxes and Trust? Right....
    At face value the idea sounds great. However, the entire notion is predicated on long-term trust and faith in the U.S. Government.

    Monies invested off shore (specifically private accounts) may be for tax purposes but these accounts also represent a safe haven from a tyrannical Central Government. (Do you think any Argentine’s would agree?)

    Anyone smart/clever (whatever you want to call them) enough to custody assets off shore has no incentive to wire funds back to the U.S. For the private citizen, accepting the offer is nothing more than engaging in a high risk – no reward game called ‘heads you win, tails I lose.’

    Outside of financial markets, look no further than talk radio. An attack against a competitive free-market-driven industry doesn’t have to be called “The Fairness Doctrine” for the same people with the same initiatives to attack the same industry, just as part of a ‘new plan’.

    At the most fundamental level – isn’t this the argument for which we defend the second amendment?

    The great Bob Arum once said ‘Yesterday I was lying, today I am telling the truth.”
  • Corporations moving to Switzerland to avoid Obama Taxes
    Neal,
    Right on... need proof that it will work - read the article below that talks about how more money is heading to Switzerland to avoid the increased taxes that are coming... "One trend that we see is that particularly Bermuda-based companies are now moving to Switzerland," said Martin Frey, a partner at law company Baker & McKenzie. "That may only partly be obviously for tax reasons, but also for security reasons and the fact that the Obama administration may go after them."

    http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssEnergyNews/idUSL312427120090312?feedType=RSS&feedName=rbssEnergyNews&rpc=22
  • Stimulus
    You are on the money Mr Boortz. The government could bring about instant economical change by suspending capitol gains tax. However, when the warning is given that our grandchildren will have to pay, it is not all our grandchildren, just the ones who will grow up and pay taxes. Most of the people who voted for change do not pay taxes, nor will their grand kids. Consequently, they don't give a rats ass who pays it back.
  • I don't think you Boortz understands what he is suggesting
    This plan is terrible, and encourages foreign investment at the expense of domestic investment in a huge way, doing exactly the opposite of what you seem to think.

    There is no special tax for returning money to the US, rather, no corporate tax is paid by a company for overseas earnings until they return that money to the US. This is bad because it encourages companies to invest overseas, but with obvious limitations. However, if we do what Neal suggests, then overseas investment essentially means no corporate taxes with no strings attached, versus paying taxes on domestic investment. It's completely ridiculous.

    While tax cuts won't solve the economic crisis, they can still help our economy, but not moronic ones like you suggest. Rather we should cut domestic corporate taxes, and charge corporate taxes on certain foreign investments (specifically ones highly tied to employment), as well as taking foreign working conditions into consideration of our trade policy (so other countries can't outcompete us by treating workers poorly).

    Obama has actually proposed getting rid of the corporate tax deferral on foreign investments that encourage foreign investment over domestic. We'll see if he stands up to the Republicans.
  • Citizen Control vs. Govm't Control
    Neal u r not all wet on this issue, in fact u r spot on, as both u & I know that under the Fair Tax plan MOST of the trillions sitting offshore would comeback, the Fair Tax is too radical of a transfer of power back to the people & an empowerment of personal responsibility therefore our Congress is unlikely to consider it seriously (Cong. Linder aside, he obviously cares more for his constituency than his own power) but the tax amnesty would likely work to a degree & be further evidence the Fair Tax would work. Can't have that now can we. The current administration is all about the power-grab, not protecting the people. If that wasn't the case the Border Fence construction would have been one of those "shovel-ready" projects to be funded under the spendulous plan. JB
  • Re: Re: my plan
    Would you run as a Republican, Libertarian or Independent?
    I like your plan and what Neal is suggesting. Ultimately, the Fair Tax is the goal we are working toward, however, here is the big hurdle we are facing.
    While we all know Democrats are a lost cause in convincing them to support the Fair Tax, MOST Republican politicians won't support it either because they do not want to transfer the power or lose the means to "game" our tax code for campaign contributions. AND the Republican voters WON'T hold their elected Republican leader's feet to the fire on this issue. Fair Tax or not, it is better to have a Republican in office than a Democrat.
    The only way we can bring this change is if enough Fair Tax supporters vote as a block no matter the outcome (means, even if a Democrat wins) until the Republicans realize they will never have power again and do not deserve to be a party until they promise to pass the Fair Tax. WE CANNOT BLINK!
    The Republicans could have done what Neal is suggesting and/or passed the Fair Tax when they had power in both houses and the presidency. Instead, they showed their true colors and abandoned Republican principles and many were re-elected or defeated by a Democrat. As a result we can thank the Republicans for Obama and our current economic situation NOT because of what they did, rather because of what they failed to do.
    Every idea that is being suggested by Republicans as a remedy to our economic decline is something they could have done when they had power, plain and simple.
    I can't help but wonder how many of the commenters that support this idea have actually wrote or called their Republican representative and told them if they don't support the Fair Tax, then don't count on their support no matter the consequence.
    I've written my Senator, Richard Burr, R-NC. He said the Fair Tax needs more study on how it will affect the economy before he can support it. I replied I would need to further study his ability to lead before I could ever vote for him again. My study will be complete right after his Fair Tax study is complete. Until then, I'll have to support someone else NO MATTER THE CONSEQUENCE.
    I'm willing to go over the cliff with the Democrats at the wheel if the Republicans refuse to take us where we need to go. WE will go no where if we don't hold the Republicans politician's feet to the fire on this issue.
  • Stimulus -One that will work
    A sure fire way to stimulate the economy, is to let earners KEEP there money (and then spend it how they want) How aout 'THE FAIR TAX' as a long term, healthy solution? No need for government watch dogs, watching sneaky bankers, crooked CEOs and corupt folks who will grap anything they can.
    It goes STAIGHT to the people who can turn the economy around, the productive earner!
  • Trillions
    A tax amnesty plan such as the one you proposed would actually do the job of stimulating the economy. That is more likely the reason that this plan will never come into being. President Obama and his staff of upright citizens have no wish to stimulate the economy but instead to shove pork laden proposal after pork laden proposal across the American public. All to enhance their power. So that even more dollar amounts will find their ways overseas. And eventually the Administration's power will be concrete.
  • Re: my plan
    I very much appreciate all of the positive comments on my previous post. I have given some thought to venturing into the political arena -- perhaps a closer look is warranted. Maybe Neal could help me with some publicity??? mountainpharm@yahoo.com
  • Control of Your Life by Limiting Currency Choices
    If they are going to make holding a foreign bank account prima facie evidence of tax evasion, then the government should allow multicurrency accounts in the United States. If we were all able to choose to hold our funds in a currency other than USD, say, Swiss Francs (which, by the way, is not a fiat currency) then the government would be pressured to maintain a stable currency supply. This would disincentivize the government from huge spending packages (read: Porkulus 1 and Porkulus 2) which lead to obvious inflation of the money supply.

    Thank you for allowing me to comment. This is just a major issue with me. If we are truly free (which we are not) then we should be able to choose which of the world's currencies we want our money converted to. But, that means the government would have to give up too much control over we pitiful subjects of HRH Obama.
  • Res ipsa loquitur
    Neal,

    The merits of your proposal – obviously – speak for themselves, so who wouldn’t like this idea?

    For all the reasons you pointed out, any plan that separates the government from spending our hard-earned money clearly will be objected to by the Washington ruling elite, not to mention the dynamic created by shifting the credit for saving the economy from them to the private sector. I’m not puzzled by this. Their objection to this idea is the easiest to predict. Power shifts from them back to us, and they hate that. No big surprise there.

    What has me scratching my head is what amount of incentive is going to be required for ordinary Americans to see this and other great ideas for what they are, and finally rise up and force their elected officials to act on their behalf? The only rational explanation I can come up with so far is things simply aren’t bad enough yet.

    So I guess I want to know how bad do things have to get before a grassroots movement takes hold and begins to actually threaten politicians with the only thing they fear – losing an election. What will it take? Will things have to be so bad our country is done irreparable harm before Joe Six-Pack wakes up? I hope not. If history is any teacher, we’ll let things teeter right on the edge of the abyss before we finally act.

    Unfortunately, I think BHO and his liberal crew are sensitive to this threshold. I think they know just how much crap they can get away with without awakening the sleeping giant. They will slowly boil the frog, while the small “chattering class” like us screams from the cheap seats with no real effect. Our only hope is their arrogance and hunger for power causes them to wake the giant before they have finished turning us into France.

    So how do we help them cross that line and hasten their defeat? Must we sacrifice more liberty than we already have? I think so.
  • Can You Trust The Intent?
    Knowing how the Obama Admin says one thing but means another I would be cautious.

    Could it be simply another means of uncovering names of those who have these offshore accounts?

    One year Amnesty. Every year thereafter, Audits.
  • Good idea but why didn't Republicans propose this
    Good idea and I think it will work, but lets not demonize only democrats - I think it is something all of Congress (regardless of party)are against. Maybe their ideals would be "for the people" if term limits existed!
  • 1 Trillion Dollar Plan
    You are mostly right about this, but the amnesty would need to be for a longer period of time. I would say that to do it right, the amnesty would need to be for a period of 4 years or longer. This would give these companies and individuals time to get the money over here and get it invested and working. A year is just not long enough for that to really take place.
  • One more thing, CopyLeft
    "namely, that thanks to various loopholes and exemptions and 'customized legislation,' TWO-THIRDS of U.S. corporations pay NO TAX AT ALL.

    The _actual, effective_ corporate tax rate is about 6%. Doesn't that sound scary and awful and anti-capitalist?"

    #1: No corporation pays taxes. Never. Ever. These are "costs of doing business", and are passed down to the consumers of their products and/or services. When politicians try to interfere, (THEY ARE THE ONES WHO CREATED THE LOOPHOLES, idiot, not the corporations!), they are trying to change the natural behavior of the market, and/or trying to reward businesse that they favor, are in their districts, and/or gave them donations (BRIBES).

    #2: The FairTax books cite, in clear and easy to understand numbers-backed by credible studies, the numbers of dollars that are spend by corporations trying to fit into these loopholes. If you weren't such a wealth-envy, business-hating fool, you could appreciate how much of these costs are evaporating dollars that could have been spend on production, more employees, and bettering life for all Americans. Instead, they are being sent overseas when they can be.
    Thank you for your time.
  • Copyleft and Corporate Taxes
    Copyleft was almost right about only 1/3 of corporations paying taxes. The actual figure is zero. No corporation pays taxes; corporations merely collect taxes. Raising taxes on corporations will only result in higher prices or lower returns. Either way, its not the corporation but rather the individual who suffers.
  • Chad
    You are EXACTLY RIGHT! I can't find any holes in your proposal. That, sir, is the change we need for setting the economy (and Congress itself) back on track. It's a shame that not even one of your ideas is likely to come to fruition with the folks currently serving us in Washington.
  • Right Concept, Wrong method
    The problem with Neal's plan is that it is temporary, only 1 year. Corporations aren't going to be motivated to invest for only such a short term, knowing that they will get socked in the teeth the following year. There is really not much of an incentive.

    Just like these one-time "rebate/stimulus" checks they've sent out. They do not stimulate. A company isn't going to go out and hire new employees, invest in capital projects, etc. etc. knowing that it is only a one-time event. Likewise with a year holiday. Why would I invest in capital projects or even hire more people knowing that one year from now I am going to get nailed again. My investments are based on longer term projections, not on one-time monthly events.
  • tax amnesty for repatriated money
    While you are correct in your asumption that the dems want to control the money and not leave that chore to those that actually own, there is also another angle you have not considered. The big O wants to be the savior of the world, ie: Africa, more than he wants America to be restored to it's former status. If he endorses the tax amnesty he loses his opportunity to be "King of the World".
  • Tax amnesty
    Sure it's a good idea if you take away the 1 year limiit. With a time constraint, how can you be sure those investor will want to bring their money back. Right now our economy sucks so if I were someone who had trillions safe somewhere else, I wouldn't want to invest in a recessant economy, I'd kep it safe where it is. Might as well stick to your best idea yet, the Fair Tax. This tax amnesty idea involves too much speculation into what the investor "perceived" actions may be. But I do have this question for you. Your case about BO is understood (Big Gov) but why do you think G.W. didn't implement this when the Repubs had full control?
  • One Year Freeze
    I don't think it would work the way you want it to, because we are talking about one year. Investors want stability...not a one year window for opportunity. There are no guarantees in place for the long-range to make it worth pulling assets from over-seas and using them here only to have move them back in 12 months.

    Of course you and many others here are smarter than me....maybe I'm wrong.
  • offshore trillions
    Neal,
    It sounds like a great idea but our federal government would never go for it. Why? Because they would have to give up power....the power to spend that money. When and IF we ever get the FairTax passed, THEN something like this could work and be imagined
  • Why it won't work
    Neal, The problem with your proposal is that the majority of the overseas funds would not be injected into the economy (read spent) if it were to be allowed to come in "tax free". Given the forecast of our national economy, and the world economy, prudent individuals and corporations are focusing efforts on capital accumulation, the goal being to outlast the downturn. From the bartender at the corner bar to the CEO's of our largest financial institutions, everyone is in the "save" mode; except our government.

    This can be evidenced by the results of the TARP program. Our financial institutions, which became severely undercapitalized when the value of their assets disappeared, are using TARP funds to bolster their balance sheets. The TARP funds are not getting lent(sp) to individuals or corporations. Instead they get invested in treasury securities and the financial institution ends up with (1) a stronger balance sheet and (2) a profit on the spread.
  • Get my money back?
    Neal
    If we stop sending the lowlife politicians back to D.C. year after year we may get some control of our life and country back. I hate to say it but term limits is part of the answer. I never vote for the same guy twice, regardless of the letter at the end of his name. One exception, Ronald Wilson Reagan.
    Taxes must be done away with.
  • The option is still open to the kids
    Even if we are too stupid to implement this, at least the option is open to future generations to do it to pay off the debts we've imposed on them.
  • Copyleft's link
    Copyleft, I visited that little link you provided that says the corp. tax rate is effectively 6%.

    First, that is written by a college professor, which means that she has no clue about the real world.

    Second, she cites tax "loopholes" that do not actually avoid taxes...they just delay payment (ie-- accelerated depreciation).

    She then states that the U.S. is actually a tax haven. Right....that's why corporate funds are fleeing the country en masse. All of those successful business people just don't know what's best for them when it comes to making money and keeping it.

    She also fails to name or cite any of these "studies."

    Lastly... the article is riddled with statements of obvious wealth-envy, such as "corporations take too large a share of the nations income" and "executives earning in half a day what their average employees earn in an entire year" (oh, and she refers to these executives as "drivel at the top").

    Sorry.....just not credible.
  • I'm all wet...
    I just might spare my kids by buying them a plane ticket to New Zealand when they are 18.
  • Tax holiday?
    neal
    It is time that you checked into a hospital for the insane.Even thinking that the scumsuckers in D.C. would give up the power to mug you of your EARNED money shows you "IZ KRAZY".

    I love the idea of the FAIR TAX as do many AMERICANS do but it is still born until we Americans get our sh*t together and stop returning the scumsuckers that caused this problem to D.C.

    DRIP=don't return incumbent politicians.
  • Keep dinkin' the kool-aid Copyleft
    Copyleft - please explain why companies are moving out of the US.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssEnergyNews/idUSL312427120090312?feedType=RSS&feedName=rbssEnergyNews&rpc=22

    OH *^%@* - SORRY. This link must be for only the 1/3 of companies that pay taxes you talk about.
  • Taxes, oh glorious taxes
    Here's an idea. Let's tax welfare checks! I give you $600 a month. You give me back $180, in taxes, of course. Wonder what would happened to the masses if they did this. It would be hysterical!
  • What's all the fuss?
    What's the probelm? My kids and grandkids will be happy to work alll their lives to support bad spending plans. I mean, it's not like Social Security will be there for them to worry about anyway. Congress is making sure of that. I love the idea that Pelosi's grandkids and Obama's sweet daughters( they are cute kids, gotta give em that!) are willing to pay for my benefits! It won't matter anyway, by then, we'll be annexed by either Mexico or China and our Republic will have become an answer to a Trivia question. Que sera, sera, whatever will be will be...
  • One year tax holiday
    Good idea for starters, not nearly enough time. I prefer FairTax and make it permanent.
  • OFFSHORE FUNDS- ITS A TRAP
    The IRS and Justice Department just forced the largest Swiss UBS to give up 20,000 secret numbered accounts and the latest news is that that figure is going up to 52,000 accounts. Americans have diversified their options by placing their money overseas for investments and protection from the federal government. Why bring it back when the Senate under Senator Carl Levin is sponsoring a bill to make all offshore accounts presumed to be tax evasion. Why bring money back into the belly of the beast. The U.S. is nearing bankruptcy. It will confiscate all funds it can find on shore or offshore before it is all over. These offshore accounts may be the only hope to rebuild the "New American Hope" or when people need to leave the U.S. when its tax laws become too oppressive against the achievers and entrepreners. The hope for offshore accounts is to do away with income tax completely so that the U.S. Government will not come after the citizens with the offshore accounts.
  • To: Jubilation
    Please cite your source. I know the "official rate" is 26%, but the Actual Amount PAID is 6%.

    It's like announcing that you've been charged $15 for your Big Mac combo, but only having to pay $3. See the difference? Corporations aren't really paying what the stated rate would indicate... which is why Neal is so careful to phrase it this way.
  • "Amnesty" implies these people did something wrong.
    They didn't Call it the "Reinvest in America window," or something positive and true like that.

    Corporate taxes are hidden, most people don't realize they pay them with every purchase. Too many people will always support raising taxes if they think it's on someone else, the morons are always fooled. That's why politicians love them both.
  • Tax Amnesty
    I totally agree with your approach but this would appear to be against the teachings of the two French economists, Piketty-Saez, that Mr. Obama seems to rely on. This wealth concentration was immoral and should not receive amnesty.

    I still like the idea that you presented a time back that was proposed by a Texas House member to suspend withholding federal taxes for three months and see what happens.
  • The poll numbers are still the problem
    Obama's adoration may diminish in the future, and probably will. However, in the meantime, his faithful are not listening to the increasing clamor of alarm from economists and financial experts. Repatriation of American wealth would bring home capital, reducing or eliminating taxes on corporations and reducing or eliminating capital gains taxes would be even more productive but that won't happen as long as Obama has the poll numbers. He's no different than Clinton in that regard. Clinton would not have dumped socialized health care or reformed welfare had it not been for the pressure of the reformist republicans as well as his own sagging poll numbers. The key to forcing Obama to do the right thing is the republicans screaming as a united block to high heaven. But that's not happening, so I continue to throw unopened letters from the RNC into the trash and send my support to the Libertarians.
  • Hank
    You wrote:

    "Please read the Tax Justice Network briefing paper entitled "The Price of Offshore". According to that agency which tracks offshore wealth, there is only $1.6 trillion in wealth owned by North Americans parked offshore, and there are 23 sovereign nations in North America.

    Are there REALLY 23 sovereign nations in North America? Other than the US, Canada and Mexico, who are they????

    Now as to Neal's idea, I think that ANYTHING that will reduce the tax burden on the American people (like the 3 - 6 month tax holiday idea proposed earlier this year) is a great idea and where we should start. How about getting rid of ALL capital gains taxes for a few years - or permanently??? How about the Fair Tax???

    But you know PeBo and his minions will never do that. Socialists only thrive when all income is given to the government and they decide when and where to spend it. Of course, we all know that Socialist ECONOMIES NEVER thrive, but that's another story. And the other reason BO and his minions would never think to use the tax code to get us out of this mess is because THEY DON'T PAY THEIR TAXES!!!!!
  • Tax Amnesty for Corporations
    One year...is that all? We need longer than that Neal...it takes at least a year to rebuild an industry, especially overseas. They need at least 5 years, if not 10, but endless would be the best.
  • Stimulus Article.
    1. Debts our children and grand children will have to pay? No way. With current indebtedness and unfunded obligations amounting to $70 trillion in todays dollars, over and above current revenues, over the next 75 years and the crash coming in 30 years or less, the gov't. will have to print money until it is useless, or declare bankrupsy. The debt can never be paid. The Republic will then be destroyed. It's inevitable.

    2. The unions drove industry south to open shop areas. If this "open" ballot becomes law, and the south becomes unionized, industry will simply move overseas. The ever increasing "minimum" wage laws have already started the process. Let's just finish it???
  • Offshore funds/tax amnesty
    I see some have questioned your assertion of the number of trillions offshore; however, the IRS and the Congressional Budget Office both have papers supporting tghe $10-12 trillion number. They should do their research.

    This is simply common sense to most anyone but those in Congress and the White House. They need to put aside ideology for pragmatism, not to mention patriotism. If reducing the corporate tax rate to zero and allowing tax free repatriation of funds will jump start and revive our economy, to not do so is simply foolish, not to mention unpatriotic. There is a time and a place for everything, and now is not the time for social experimentation at the risk of our economy and our way of life.

    A while back there was a study where 500 top foreign companies were asked what effect a zero corporate tax rate in America might have on them. I recall approx 80% said they would seek to build plants here as soon as possible, and the other 20% indicated they would look into moving their entire operation here. Translation: JOBS, lots of jobs.


    Further, repatriation of funds would make our banks flush with money and obviate the need for taxplayer bailouts. It would also thus prevent the government from politicizing our financial system.
  • What incentive?
    Sounds great at first glance, but on second thought...

    This is like stores that say "we'll match prices with any other store!" There are two falicies with this idea:
    1. Why should I go through the hassle of negotiating store A's price down to that of store B, when I could just go to store B? It's more trouble than it's worth.
    2. When getting into the fine print, product X isn't the same between the two stores, so attempts to "bring the money home" don't work after all. Ex.: the otherwise exact same TV at BJ's and WalMart often have a slightly different model number, precisely to hinder such price-matching. There is a claim of supporting price-matching, but there is a veiled extensive effort to prevent it.

    Same idea for "bringing home the money" from other countries:
    1. Interest rates and accessability being practically equal, there just is no incentive to move substantial money from (say) Switzerland to New York. Why bother? The money (probably a substantial amount) is sitting comfortably where it is, and moving it garners no benefit.
    2. Looking at the fine print, we'll find that all too often the advertised benefit isn't. The "bring the money home tax credit" will expire in a year or two (either as written, or revoked by a near-future Congress), or the money's source renders it ineligible (worst case: think "asset forfeiture" for mere allegation of criminal origins), or some other "well we really didn't mean it" failure to follow thru. The risk of getting screwed exceeds the probable benefits.

    Bottom line: the current President and Congress are avowed "wealth re-distributors", having made it abundantly clear that they intend to take from the "rich" (no matter how legitimately or dearly earned, nor the cost of doing business) and give to the "poor" (no matter how little good it will do, nor how unmotivated the recipients may be). Wealth confiscation is simply axiomatic with our current leadership; any claims of kindness not involving such confiscation must be viewed with extreme suspicion.
  • Factual Error
    According to IRS statistics, the "effective corporate tax rate" is 26%, not the 6% you cited. Sigh. While it's true that 2/3 of corporations didn't pay any federal corporate income tax at all, it was interesting to note that only the corporations that had income paid. This is scary.
  • Enough is enough, the country is bankrupt.
    I am totally fed up with the irresponsibility of our elected representatives. They have lit the fuse on an inflation bomb that could devastate the country more that any terrorist attack. Republican or Democrat--they are all alike. I am so outraged that I am about to declare (probably in a couple of weeks) my independent candidacy for Congress (VA second district). I may have the proverbial snowball's chance, but I can no longer sit on the sidelines. www.lb4c.info

    My platform is simple:

    1. Repeal the 16th Amendment to the United States Constitution.

    2. Repeal the 17th Amendment to the United States Constitution.

    3. Amend the United States Constitution to impose a limit of two consecutive terms on all federal elective offices.

    4. Amend the United States Constitution to require a balanced budget except when approved by a two-thirds supermajority of both houses of Congress in time of declared war or declared national emergency. A presidential line item veto shall be permitted at all times.

    5. Eliminate the Federal Reserve banking system. An economy based on debt rather than wealth is unsustainable.
  • Off shore investments
    What would stop congress from taxing the money after the one year is up? Isn't the government already going after Swiss bank accounts and the like?
  • Tax Justice Network
    Good try Hank

    The "tax Justice network" is a leftist socialist front group spewing their Marxist ideology.

    This quote is from their website
    "We favour progressive and equitable taxation

    We support progressive taxation, founded on the basic principle that tax should be based on ability to pay - that is, the wealthy should pay higher rates of tax. The principle of progressive taxation has been supported almost unanimously by democratic choices in countries around the world – and we support those choices. To advocate progressive taxation is to oppose regressive tax systems where the poorer sections of society pay a higher share of their income. Financing public goods, according to voters’ wishes and ability to pay, mitigates inequality, which is one of the greatest political challenges facing the world today.

    How did they arrive at their figures. These offshore banks did not open there books for them to see. Speculation.
    Your the one all wet Hank
  • Tax
    Funny how B.O. said that anything was on the table but only did what can hurt more than what it can help.

    Apparently another country is doing what has worked in the past. If our elected pinheads would learn from history instead of repeating it.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssEnergyNews/idUSL312427120090312?feedType=RSS&feedName=rbssEnergyNews&rpc=22
  • Yes... and
    You are on it. Folks are concentrating on fundamentals. This will put that money there, instead of where the government directs it. It will strentghen the core of the economy and we can build from there.

    Obama's non-plan is to throw money into the economy using a Keynesian formula that includes government spending as a key driver for GNP. The flaws are that it is not that influential and there is a significant delay in when it changes the economy. It takes about 4 years before government spending changes the economy. Kind of over-looked that, eh? I suspect on purpose. It was about spending, not stimulating. Worse, fine tuning the economy is dangerous work. The result usually is making the highs and lows much stepper.

    What should they do? Cut taxes and set the money supply growth to what they want GDP to be, say 3%. That is all. Milton Friedman left us too soon.

    Too bad this won't happen and the idiots also will never cut spending. We need a revolution before we change have change we really can believe in.
  • Fat Fngers Accounting...
    The private investment would accumulate to $2.4T, and the government would reap $128B in taxes. That makes the stimulus investment worth less than 1/5th of the private investment instead of less than 1/6th.

    The error was a result of using a 2.5% capital gains tax rate annually as opposed to 25%. Amazing what an order of magnitude can do. So solly!
  • Pres. Obama could take all the credit
    Neal:

    Pres. Obama should do just what you said - bring all that money back into the U.S. economy, institute the fair tax, and then sit back and take all the credit and glory for being the leader of the free world, the president of the greatest country on Earth, and the man who single-handedly (not really, but he would want to claim that) brought the standard of living up for the whole world. The Democrats really should be pushing for this because then their party could take credit for a) all the good things that people get from a thriving economy; and, b) go on and on about how the Bush regime made everybody's lives so miserable. The liberals and the Democrats hate this country so much, they can't even bring themselves to do something right for it, even when they could sit back and take all the credit. Who is the Party of Haters now?
  • lowering taxes on overseas accounts
    I agree with stepcousin...it is a great idea, but without term limits, it would never last long.
  • Offshore Wealth
    You are soaking wet, Neal. Please read the Tax Justice Network briefing paper entitled "The Price of Offshore". According to that agency which tracks offshore wealth, there is only $1.6 trillion in wealth owned by North Americans parked offshore, and there are 23 sovereign nations in North America. Best estimate is that only half of the $1.6 trillion is American owned. And, we tried the amnesty thing back in 2004, so any wealth that might have wanted to return, probably already has. Bad idea back when you wrote about it in the first Fairtax book, and still without merit!
  • Tax amnesty
    Great idea but.... Do you honestly believe that you can trust this congress and this administration with the Clinton retreads.They will come after you with their greedy little hands and salavating to get their hands on the rest of this money. No Way!
  • Lets add bringing troops home...
    The tax amnesty idea is a great one. Lets get corporation taxes lowered, this would mean that companies may lower prices from not having to absorb extra tax cost, so better for the consumer too. What can also be done to bring the country out of debt though is to bring troops home from all different parts of the world...like Italy,Okinawa and S.Korea for instance. America is not the planet's police. The world police mentality, along with bad foriegn policy that causes what the CIA calls 'blowback' is also helping to drive this country into bankruptcy and the islamic fascists know it and are tickled by it. Lets get America's border secured, entitlement programs shrunk,illegals out and soldiers out of all the places where America is practicing unwanted interventionism.We simply can't afford it and the U.S constitution does not give America the authority to keep Israel on welfare,decide what countries have nukes, or shovel cash over to regimes where it might filter down to islamic fascists. Besides, policing the world seems to be more of a leftist idea rather than a traditional Jeffersonian conservative one anyway.
  • Stimulus
    Most people agree that the way to stimulate the economy is to get money into people's hands, and to encourage them to spend it. People are probably reluctant to spend because of job insecurity. Suppose we had a SS & Medicare Tax holiday. The IMMEDIATE effect would be to give every working person (except the "evil rich", whose taxes are capped) an 8% raise. When was the last time we saw 8% raises? Companies would see a 7.65% cut in payroll costs. If companies spent that amount on additional hiring, we would reduce unemployment from 8.1% back to 4% in no time flat! Would the loss of revenue from cutting SS/Med taxes come anywhere close to the trillions being spent on the current proposal. I doubt it.
    Golly sounds almost like the Fair Tax!
  • Off Shore Tax Amnesty
    Neal, If I had a billion or two off shore to avoid taxes and I bring it all home out of patritism would I not worry about thelikes of Barney Frank Furtter instituting some NEW law that would not allow me to move my money out again without painful taxes? No, I'll just sit on the side and take my chances with the OSB.
  • It would benefit in multiples!
    Great idea, and ditto on Chad Riggs.
  • Repatriation
    Drudge Report this AM--Corporations head to low tax Switzerland; Escape Obama's tax seeking administration.

    Problem with repatriation and a temporary moratorium on taxes is what happens then? If I had overseas assets, knowing what we know about Obama and the Spendocrats (dims and pubes both) in DC, I would keep them there.

    Until we get back to paygo Government, paid for of, by and all the people, etc. America has become a dangerous and uncertain place to invest.
  • Republicans should have done it
    I agree wholeheartedly with this proposal. However, why don't these ideas get discussed when the republicans are in power? They don't want to do it either. I can't tell the republocrats and democans apart anymore. Vote Liberterian!
  • Repatriation of overseas profits
    One big problem. Those countries enjoying those invested funds will scream like schoolgirls when they are "repatriated". "the evil USA is destroying our economy!" will be the cry.
  • Good, but
    Good plan Neal, but I would REDUCE the tax rate and keep it permanent, or until business moves back overseas. Why? Because I do not trust the Geitner,the IRS, or Congress with these tax holidays. Whose to say that when the holiday expires, they won't go retroactive and try to get back taxes?
  • Fair Tax
    Thank you for continuing to beat the drum on the Fair Tax and assest repatriation. While most of us are 100% behind this, the problem is that the majority of voters put PutzBO in orifice. How do you convince millions of unqualified, emotional voters that what they did was tantamout to slavery and they will be just as saddled with this debt as the rest of us? They don't understand simple supply and demand economics but that points to another government screw up- education.
    for you Obama voters- I'll hold on to the Hope; you keep the Change.
  • smart but pointless
    There's no sense in pontificating. Obama's a closet socialist, and congress and the senate aren't far behind (including Republicans). It's time to stop hoping against hope and start pushing for term limits. It is the ONLY answer for these career politicians, who are addicted to creating new laws and usurping power.
  • Taxes
    I work for a large international construction company. In 2003, they had gone from a Fortune 500 company to a penny stock company because of poor management and U.S. tax policy.
    The new CEO moved corporate headquarters from New Jersey to Bermuda. Why?
    Say we were biding on a power plant job in Poland and were competing against a Spanish company. We had to pay corporate taxes in Poland and the U.S. The Spanish company only had to pay corporate taxes in Poland for money they earned in Poland. This gives our foreign competitors a hugh advantage in securing contracts and jobs.
    By moving corporate headquarters to Bermuda, we pay corporate taxes in the country where the money is earned and don't pay U.S. corporate taxes unless the money is brought back to this country (that isn't going to happen).
    Our tax laws are so stupid, with politicians choosing winners and losers according to who contributes the most to their reelection. The dumbmasses in this country, educated in government schools, have no or very little economic education and don't realize what is being done to them.
  • No Go
    Neal, it would only work if the Democrats gave it a chance. I think the controlling party would denounce it as heresy. This is an attack on capitalism and the individual. PelosiGalore, the President and Harry Reid do not want the economy to get better. They only want to increase their control over the people. I would see this action as being demonized as reckless scheme. I am convinced that this economic downturn is viewed as their best chance to Run to Marxism.
  • I wish it would happen
    I dont know why everyone keeps talking about President Obama doing this. We know its never going to happen with this Congress and President in office. Like they told me in the Police Academy dont deal with what if's, deal with what you know.
  • Factual error
    "Remember, the United States has the second-highest corporate tax rate in the industrialized world."

    Anti-tax nuts like to make this claim, but they seldom include the full story--namely, that thanks to various loopholes and exemptions and 'customized legislation,' TWO-THIRDS of U.S. corporations pay NO TAX AT ALL.

    The _actual, effective_ corporate tax rate is about 6%. Doesn't that sound scary and awful and anti-capitalist? Please.

    http://ataxingmatter.blogs.com/tax/2008/08/tax-foundation.html
  • Where is the control?
    As you already know, with your plan the Democrats don't have a way to "profit". Under your plan they give up their means to buy votes and to control people which is at the heart of all of their plans. The first step in this mess would be to get the Fair Tax passed. The second of course would then be to start cutting government but neither will happen in the current environment. Actually if the Republicans in the Senate could work together they could agree to block anything else until the Fair Tax was passed. This would be a win both in the short term and long term for the People. The Republicans will not do this because they want the same control and power that the Democrats have now.
  • Repatriation of overseas profits
    Neal,
    I've spent the past 15 or so years overseeing corporate tax departments for publicly traded multi-national corporations (yes, those evil creations of the U.S. business world). Obviously, taxation is complicated and there is a great deal of misinformation being provided. For corporations, tax-free repatriation would definitely generate a great deal of cash return to the United States, but only to the extent that the specific corporation had a current or future use for that cash in the U.S. (acquisitions, capital investment, etc.). If you recall, a "one-time" form of this occurred about 4 - 5 years ago (although, with a slight tax on the repatriated earnings) with many billions of cash being returned. Individuals (U.S. residents and citizens), on the other hand, are taxed on their worldwide earnings regardless of where the earnings occur. No real bang there. I am a fan of anything that does not continue to mortgage the future of my children and grandchildren.
  • You ar NOT all wet...
    A trillion dollars ($1T) of private investment will go toward actual private capital investment - ventures that would provide the potential for a return on investment, in many cases substantial returns. If the government never taxes the initial $1T, and the repatriated money grows at the historical rate of the S&P 500 index, at the end of 10 years, well before our children and grandchildren can even begin to cut into the principal of the government debt, it will become $3 trillion!

    As a bonus to the government, this outcome assumes that the investment is cashed out, taxed, and reinvested every year during the 10 years. At a tax rate of 25%, the government reaps nearly $15.5B dollars in taxes over 10 years, yet the investment itself still triples, AND there is no $1T debt to pay!

    On the other hand, if the government spends the $1T stimulus on make-work projects, the money is gone. Of course, some of the stimulus becomes payroll, so let us make a conservative comparison. Assume that the entire stimulus goes to payroll in a lump sum up front. If everyone paid by the stimulus funds puts 15% into investments growing at the same rates but tax free forever, then at the end of ten years the total in investments would be $486B - less than 1/6th that of the private investment!

    If the remaining 85% of the stimulus payroll were taxed at 20% including FICA and Medicaid, the tax revenue would be $170B. If that entire amount went to pay down the stimulus debt of $1T, then the remaining debt would be $830B!

    This is no doctoral dissertation on economics – it is a simple, common sense analysis that any high school algebra student should be able to duplicate.
  • Wrong plan
    Neal,
    When we had the billions of Toxic dept that caused this. How can the government fix that by spending Trillions in borrowed money. How does creating more dept, get us out of dept? I just donot understand how you can spend your self into saving money.
  • Trashing the Economy 101
    I think the worst effect of all this collectivist garbage is the skyrocketing inflation that must follow if much more Obanomics takes place
  • Repatriating assets
    Repatriating overseas profits has worked in the past, and was recently debated in the "Stimulus Plan" ( co- sponsored by Senators John Ensign & of all people Barbara Boxer), and voted down. It makes sense, thats why it will never happen.
    People like Copyleft cry that there are not good jobs, but every chance we get we chase work overseas by the tax code, EPA, EEOC, and state laws, taxes & regulation. Look at some of the detail emerging of the new "green energy projects". It now is expected that 80% of the wind power generating systems manufacturing will occur overseas (mostly India & China), because of the lower cost. The only US portion will be design & installation(the latter most likely by Illegals). WAKE UP.

    Even if there was a one year pass on repatriated funds I personally would not bring my money back under the current executive & legslative bodies. Talk about bait and switch. I would no sooner have the funds here and I'm certain we would have a transfer tax on funds brought in from overseas or cash on hand. I don't trust those paper hanging SOB's further than I can throw them, and based on some of their girth thats not very far!
  • control
    Neal,
    The ideas that you and others propose are the things to do if you wanted to repair the economy, unfortunately this doesn't give Obama the control over the Country. I think he could care less about the economy as long as he gets his agenda in place. Sadly a lot of kool-aid drinkers will follow him down this path. Remember don't let a good crisis go to waste !
  • Stimulus
    I don't think your comment is the least bit damp. I think you have once again hit the nail on the head. I agree that the government of this country has lost its mind and any common sense it might have had. I work for the government in the area of Defense and I can say without any reservations that the government is out of control in the way it is run so letting them run our economy is ludicrous. We say it all the time that it is good that we (the Government) isn't in the business of making money because we would fail. So why should they run the economy?
  • trillions
    spot on as usual Neal
  • borrowing your way into oblivion
    according to mitch MConnell

    In just 50 days, Congress has voted to spend about $1.2 trillion between the Stimulus and the Omnibus [budget proposals]. To put that in perspective, that is about $24 billion a day or about $1 billion an hour… most of it borrowed. There is simply no question; government spending has spun out of control.

    An easier way to look at it...

    To put this figure into something more understandable, if we allow that the current population of the US is 306
    million people, we are spending $3.27 per person per hour every hour of every day of the year… and in Sen. McConnell’s terms, “most of it borrowed.” Thus, the average family of four in the US sees its indebtedness
    to the rest of the world rise $313.72 every single day. Every week, the average 4 person family in the US
    (and yes, we know that the average family is clearly less than this, but the “perfect” family with a mother, a
    father and two children is what we are dealing with here; in per capita terms, the figures remain the same} sees its indebtedness to the world rise by $2,196 and each month by $8,784. In these smaller but far more personal terms, the debt explosion really becomes
    meaningful. Something’s gotta’give… and soon.
  • stop sending money over seas
    I would like for our government to stop sending our money to other countrire that don't even like us. How much would we save there? We can't support the world!
  • Overseas Money
    If I had money overseas I would not bring it back to the US even if they did give a 1 year tax break. First they would now have a record of the money you brought back. Second, they would find a way to tax that money either in back taxes for the previous years or they would find a way to increase taxes on that money after the year was up. I do not trust any of the fools in DC and will never give them any more information about myself than I have to.
  • my plan by Chad
    Now if we had at least 350 congressmen that thought like Chad Riggs, I would bring my money back
  • Re-patriated Dollars would Pay Down Debt
    Not that there is anything wrong with it, but people I know who work for companies with lots of oversees revenue believe the vast majority would pay down company debt, not stimulate the economy. A great idea. It would be interesting to know what would REALLY happen to all those trillians.

    Be that as it may, lowering the corporate tax rates across the board is the best idea.
  • Phase-out
    A one-year moratorium sounds great but if if were to be gradually phased out in say four years then there stands a better chance of it being renewed (after it's proven to work of course)rather than going back to instant punishment the next year.
  • Double Down
    Great idea. And, to appease the leftist wonks, here's a way they can stay involved. Don't "spend" the current trillion - lend it through the SBA to businesses who have proven the be well managed. Any business who has been profitable over the last three years could get loans in chunks of $45k to be used specifically to hire new employees. Report the hirings via unemployment paperwork. No payments for two years then a reduced interest rate. This would have a direct job creation impact of over 20 million jobs and a line of sight to payback of the $$$.
  • Repatriating the Money
    Talkmaster -

    You need an oversized towel for this one, Neal.

    The biggest reason for keeping money parked overseas is not because of the federal tax on the one-time profitable transaction, but for the tax free environment over the lifecycle for that money.

    Let's use Singapore as an example. If a U.S. entity makes a profit of $100 on a transaction there, the Republic of Singapore will not tax it. Let's say the profit stays in Singapore for 10 years after that first initial transaction and it conservatively makes a 5% compounded rate of return year over year. If the funds stay in Singapore for that entire life cycle, the initial profit turns into $163.

    Now, let's say the entity repatriates the profit back to the U.S. Even if there's a one-year tax amnesty on it, there will still be taxes paid on the 5% return over the next ten years. Using the current corporate tax rate structure, what was $163 in Singapore will now become $138 in the U.S.

    Neal, take a shower. The only was this would make sense for a multi-billion dollar entity would be if there were no corporate taxes in the U.S.
  • repatriating money
    If I had a lot of money overseas (I don't) I'm not sure a one year amnesty would persuade me to bring it back. I would not trust the federal government not to double-cross me down the road and take the money anyway. Once I bring it back I am at the mercy of these people. Would you trust them?
  • Overseas assets
    I work for a major pharmaceutical company. We have $$$ in profits sitting in overseas accounts we choose not to bring home. To go one further, if any new blockbuster drugs are discovered, production will be off shore to avoid the crushing tax hit. The money and the jobs will stay overseas to avoid the taxman.
  • Assumptions
    You err in that you believe the government actually WANTS to end the recession. While your plan would definately make a difference, it would also remove Rahm's "...crisis that can be exploited." If the government wanted to end unemployment they would lower corporate taxes. If they wanted to end the recession, they would pass the Fair Tax. They've done neither.
  • my plan
    A friend of mine recently asked me to write my idea of a stimulus plan. Here was my reply (many ideas borrowed from The Talkmaster!)

    Short term - initiatives to be passed immediately
    1) Cut the corporate tax rate to 20%
    2) Lower the top personal tax rate to 28%
    3) Declare tax amnesty for any monies invested abroad that are returned to the U.S. economy
    4) Declare a 6-month amnesty for all federal and payroll taxes (NO refundable tax credits, though)
    5) Declare a 12-month amnesty on the capital gains tax. Reinstate at 10% after 1 yr.
    6) Repeal Sarbanes-Oxley.
    7) Repeal CAFE standards for the auto industry.
    8) Eliminate the seasonal and regional gasoline blend requirements established by the EPA.

    Long term - initiatives to be passed by the end of my 2nd Presidential term
    1) Repeal the 16th Amendment which established the income tax. Replace all federal personal and corporate income taxes, gift, estate, capital gains, alternative minimum, Social Security, Medicare, and self-employment taxes with the Fair Tax (H.R. 25).
    2) Require a 70% majority to raise the Fair Tax rate, and a simple majority (50% + 1) to reduce it, except it times of war.
    3) Repeal the 17th Amendment which allows for the popular vote of U.S. Senators. Return the election of U.S. Senators to the state legislatures as the original Constitution prescribed.
    4) Ban the unionization of any employee of the Federal government.
    5) Reform tort law to a "loser pays" model.
    6) Pass the line-item veto.
  • Another reason
    The left has had an apoplectic fit over 'tax breaks for the rich' - even though we know this has raised tax receipts.

    Not much 'middle class' money invested in overseas accounts from what I can see; so, execute this plan and the Evil Rich get more money!

    Not on Obama's watch, not after 8 years of throwing a fit about 'Bush Tax Breaks for the Rich'. Not gonna happen... But should....
  • The Stimulus idea
    Neal, you idea is sound and I think it would work like a charm.

    It will never happen, though... remember, we must never judge a liberal by their results, only their intentions. Obama's tax code is based on "fairness" and "neighborliness"... two concepts that are to be wholly defined and enforced by Obama himself and no one else.
  • Quick Addition
    Neal,
    In addition to not being able to take credit for the success of a tax amnesty bill, Democrats would strongly oppose your proposal because they would not be able to choose the winners and losers in such a program. I think that is their main objection. Dems are afraid of letting the free market determine the value of a person's work or contributions.
  • so it is stimulus that you want
    I can not say you are all wet, however, my money will still stay overseas. Not because I wouldn't want to take advantage of the tax amnesty, but because the US GOV would work hard to get that money through other tax schemes. No, I do not trust any level of government to "allow" me to keep my money.
  • Where to get the $
    Neal,
    When China won't lend us any more money, we're going to have just print it. The money supply is already inflated, we just don't feel it because so much is stuffed into mattresses.
    Think about it, the whole purpose of collecting Federal tax is to control inflation. Read Warren Buffett, the next bubble is U.S. Treasurys.
  • Asset Repatriation
    Shoot Neal, I'd bet you could even assess a 10% repatriation tax as part of an amnesty program and still get a couple of trillion in investment capital returned home. The economy would get a tremendous boost, and we could also finance 200 billion plus of the money we have already poured down the bailout hole.

    Better yet, why not just pass the FairTax?
  • Future taxes??
    Neal,

    I like the idea. The FairTax would be better, but an amnesty would probably do some good. I doubt it would bring all of the money home, because said money would then be stuck here waiting to to be seized for the Edward M. Kennedy Institute for Impaired Drivers or some such nonsense. However, buildings and machines often need repairs, and your proposed amnesty would make that far more likely to happen.

    Bill
  • Stimulus
    Keynesian Socialist Democrats say more spending is the answer. Neocon Republicans say tax cuts (without spending cuts) is the answer. They are both wrong! The ONLY solution to this problem is a massive decrease in the size and scope of government. Government *IS* the tax. Until the burden of government is reduced, the trend of economic serfdom shall continue.
  • Stimulus
    The reality is that the administration and congress DON'T want to fix the economy to the point that capitalism reigns supreme. If they can fix it to the point that more rely on government - then they've accomplished what they intended to do. That's why the FairTax doesn't have a chance with this current DC crowd.
  • Tax Amnesty
    While it might help in the short term, I would think most of the smart people would not take advantage of it. Increased investment of any type in domestic US operations brings with it exposure to regulations from all sorts of agencies. I am sure it would be reviewed, but I don't think many would see addition investment as worth the legal risk.
  • tax amnesty
    won't ever happen 'cause that would be giving "tax breaks" to the evil corporations and the "greedy" CEOs. the demonrats got to keep their foot on our necks to keep us in line, donchaknow.
  • Well done.
    I like the idea. It does not require printing any more money, and it would actually encourage the evil, putrid, filthy, and did I mention EVIL, rich to invest within the US, instead of some foreign tax haven.

    This plan seems like something Ron Paul would've thought of, in other words, brilliant.
  • Great Idea
    I don't think it will ever happen but it's better than anything being proposed now. Just one question, wouldn't the Fair Tax accomplish the same thing much more effectivly?
  • Tax Amnesty References
    "This has been done before, my friends, and it worked. "

    I am all for anything that puts power back into the hands of the people, and not the electorate. Where has this been done before? I would like to research this.
    Thanks.
  • Neal, you're dead on here
    Neal: You're dead on right here. Unfortunately, many Americans don't realize this because they have been educated in government schools. This means that their understanding and knowledge of capitalism is very poor. However, their knowledge and understanding that "overbearing government is great" is quite high. If this were not the case, B. Hussein Obama would have not been elected president. Hence, the government schools did their jobs according to Karl Marx.

    I don't even think there are any Republicans, save John Linder, that would propose this along with the Fair Tax. Get rid of capital gains, the money repatriation penalty and implement the Fair Tax, and you wait to see how quick this economy turns around.
  • STIMULUS
    Neal's right, the FairTax doesn't give more power to the government, PLUS it makes too much sense. So, I can't see our government ever implementing it. We can only hope.
    Before the stimulus bill was signed I wrote to my reps in Ohio (military out of state) urging them not to sign it and made a plug for the FairTax. I was basically told (in nicer words and a form letter response) that Sherrod Brown (the only one the responded) was going to sign it and that the FairTax wouldn't work.
    Will the people in this country ever wake up?
  • Good idea, but maybe needs to go further...
    I like the idea of the tax amnesty, Neal. I think it would have to be extended a bit further, though, to make it appealing to the investors. It sounds like you are proposing no tax on the money when re-invested in the US economy...great...but what about the oppressive tax burden on the profits from that investment? I think that was the motivation for moving the money offshore in the first place, right? That money went offshore to avoid the tases on the profits it could make and if it was going to stimulate the US economy, profits would be generated again. That's the area where I think the relief would have to come.
  • The obvious answer
    to any Boortz listener is the FairTax. Amnesty for 1 year wouldn't hurt, but a permanent change is what's needed. If something works, why go back to what doesn't work after a year?
  • overseas trillions
    I work for an oil co and we do have a lot of money invested overseas. But it's impossible to bring back a rig or a well. I wonder just how much of the overseas investment is moveable?
  • Actually, you're almost right on this one
    Point One: Deficit spending. Regrettable, but necessary at this stage, since smaller tools are either too weak (tax cuts) or unavailable (interest rates).

    Point Two: Increase taxes on the rich, while cutting working-class taxes. Also a good idea.

    Point Three: We need a trillion dollars. Gee, where have we been wasting a trillion dollars overseas....?

    It's only four letters, folks. I-R-A-Q.
  • bringing it all back home
    As usual, your ideas are too simple for the masses. They are plain and understandable and most likely would work wonders with our economic recovery. This is not acceptable by any government standards. It is not convoluted enough to pass muster.

    Keep up the good work.
  • Stimulus?
    Great read, Neal. You are correct it will never be allowed for the reasons you stated. Keep up the fight and make sure the Fair Tax is kept front and center on everyone's minds!
  • NO STIMULUS
    Let the losers fail now and we'll pick up those pieces, sadder and wiser.
  • Stimulus - Bring companies back to US
    For the long term - a GREAT idea. For helping right now - it won't. It will take companies a year or two (or three?) to make the move. However, that shouldn't stop the changes to the tax code.
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