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SMOKERS HAVE THEIR THONGS IN A WAD

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Neal Boortz
@ March 30, 2009 8:28 AM
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The single largest federal tax on tobacco is taking effect this week. Wednesday to be exact. And I couldn't be more thrilled. The cost of cigarettes has apparently already risen in order to offset and drop in profits because the per-pack tax will climb from 39 cents to $1.01. And it's not just cigarettes. Other tobacco products will see tax increases as well.

Just in case you didn't know .. one out of every five adults is ignorant enough to smoke cigarettes. These disgusting, full of self-hatred smokers cost our economy $193 billion a year in medical expenses and lost time at work.

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  • Yep.. and when
    the smokers do not provide enough revenue to cover big government cash flow... the alcohol will be next, which kills more and maims more than smoking ever did or will.

    It is not about smoking being unhealthy. It is about the government justifying taxation of a product or company unfairly and getting away with it because they have convinced people that it is a good thing. Considering the anti-smoking mogals such as the Truth" campaign have been investing in companies and one of the larger investors too I might add in RJ Reynolds... I'd say there is way too much hypocrisy going on here. Way too much.
  • WHAT??????????
    Doesn't promote the use of marijuana? I mean I have seen on his web site and could have sworn I heard him say that the use of marijuana should be legalized. I don’t get it.
  • Taxes are bad...
    unless the tax is on products I don't like, then it's okay. Consumer choice should drive the economy, as long as they choose my way. And let freedom ring, for those who don't smoke. Nice Neal. You're batting a million today on the "I'm a libertarian except on those issues where I want the government to use force to accomplish goals" scale.
  • You need a 2nd microphone Neal
    You rant saying the government uses taxes to dictate lifestyle, but you support the government taxing something people choose to do, simply because "you" don't like it.

    Oh, that second microphone would be useful because you seem to talk out both sides of your mouth alot.
  • Neutral?
    Neal thinks that government should be neutral and not play favorites with certain behaviors over others, just like in the Fair Tax legislation. But when government enacts a confiscatory tax on something that Neal doesn't like, well, that's just fine with him.
  • Smokers
    Neal,
    I am a big fan and consider myself a libertarian. I can't understand your stance on the behavior tax on tobacco. If eliminating smoking is the goal, then advocate a law making it illegal. What about a tax on private aviators, a tax on skydivers, a tax on motorcyclist, a tax on fast food diners. Hell, lets tax anyone that does anything considered to have a risk involved, a sex tax maybe? Let's tax single people twice as much in an effort to control their behavior and increase marriage and decrease single parents.
    When the power of government is used to control a group of people that are engaged in a legal activity, what does that say about freedom and how does it differ from the 90% tax on the AIG bonuses.
  • smoking taxes.
    I have to agree with the others who find this to be inconsistent with Neal's preaching of liberty.

    I don't smoking, can't stand the stuff, but I refuse to to compromise my beliefs just because it's against a group of people I dislike.
  • smokers
    well tax the rich obama as done it. The big mac tax is next. Then maybe a candybar tax and standby for the if you do anything tax.
  • So which is it Neal?
    Only dislike taxes when it doesn't offend your oh so delicate sensibilities? Don't like letting people make their on choice? Make up your mind & quit trying to play both sides on this, you're either for personal freedom & choices or you're not. The majority of the time I agree with you but on this subject your complete about face on your normal common sense is sad.

    You may also want to look at your numbers again, if anything smokers save the country money as they DIE before they will collect social security, etc etc etc.
  • Tax on Cigarettes
    Neal, Neal, Neal. Check your information again. If I'm not mistaken, obesity has surpassed smoking as the biggest cost to health care causing diabetes and diabetes related illnesses, heart disease, high blood pressure, etc. Why don't we just tax super-sized fast food and over-sized portions in restaurants. Like another comment I read, I smoke, pay for my own health insurance and haven't missed a day of work in 10 years. Fat people can't even get off their butts to work. How about taxing alcohol too. Maybe cut down on the drunk drivers and all the problems they cause.
  • South Park Smoking Episode
    Neal, I think you need to watch this SOuth Park episode that had ROb Reiner trying to tell everyone what to do. When is COngress going to pass a Whopper tax on fatty foods?
  • Ignorant Enough
    Just a little correction, Ignorance kinda means lacking knowledge. They know very well that this is unhealthy, and they also know that it bothers everybody around them. They just dont care. They are not ignorant. They are stupid.
  • Cig TAX
    You have said that taxes should be used for the sole purpose of providing needed government services, NOT penalize, socially engineer, or persuade action. (One of the pretences of the FAIR TAX) It is disgusting and unhealthy, but it simply choice. I don't smoke or chew, but it seems unfair to tax a segment of society just because you or I don't like it. (Kind of like free speech)
  • smoking and taxes
    I am a political smoker. I don't smoke (anymore), but when I'm somewhere that forbids smoking, I'll pull out a well-used pipe (empty, of course) and place it in plain site just to raise the ire of the self-righteous who know better than myself what is and isn't good for me. As far as additional taxes on cigarettes...ALL taxes are evil government coercion and theft and should be abolished. The Fair Tax is merely making the best of a bad thing.
  • Krispy Kremes
    Yeah, taxing smokes is okay, but wait until Obama taxes the bejabbers out of Hershey bars, Coca Cola, donuts, ice cream, or cable t.v.
  • A Twofer
    Neal is protax and spend. What is funny is how Mr Sanctimony pretends to be a libertarian. It is kinda cute. What a maroon !
  • cigs and taxes
    Neal,
    I am surprised that you have fallen for the democratic socialist justification for government control of personal behavior. Not once, but twice in today/s news you have supported limitations on personal freedom because of the collectivist costs. We should not be providing health care at public expense. If we were not, then people would bear both the benefit and the costs of their behavior.

    Furthermore, when it comes to smoking, you have bought into the cost structure provided by our caring government. Certainly smoking related disease leads to costs. But consider that the taxes, social security savings from early death, and future medical costs likely more than offset the smoking related health costs. Truly, you must be more of an independent thinker on these issues. Under your reasoning, government control over all diet, transportation, recreation and entertainment could be justified. You're going soft on us. Are you sure you're not an PresBO man?
  • exceptions to freedom
    If you don't think that smokers should get taxpayer assisted healthcare, that is fine, I am in agreement. Why not be thrilled about a bill that does just that, Instead of being thrilled about a federal tax being passed that does nothing but single out the largest minority in this country, the individual, and twisting his arm to the point of compliance? This is merely another form of class warfare. Those who can afford the "privilege" of free action, are extorted a hefty fee. (Soak the rich anyone?) Those who cannot afford it are denied the freedom to choose for themselves and suffer the end result of those choices. People are "thrilled" to treat the symptoms, (not enough taxes to cover their medical expenses, so let’s raise taxes on them) instead of the problem, (smokers knowingly and willfully damage themselves in their action, so everyone else should not be liable for their decisions). One could argue that this also would be a form of extortion, or nanny-ism, though I see it as leaving people to the consequences of their actions, without government intervention playing a role in the initial decision. It may even be alright for a local or state government to make up such a tax, and then you have a choice to move to a place more friendly to your point of view. This tax is just another example of dependency on Big Brother.
  • smoking cigars vs cigaretts
    Neal, I smoke cigars and do not apologize for it and have purchased plenty ahead of this tax grab. I understand than cigarette smokers are less productive and increase health costs, but if they pass sooner, their costs do as well.
  • that'll be a big ouch
    I was in the convenience store yesterday, and saw the sign about the increase in taxes on tobacco...I about crapped my pants...158%??? I'm grateful I quit smoking 4 months ago.

    Now, I don't know about most smokers, but seems to me that would give them the incentive they need to quit. What I'm wondering, is who is PresBO going to tax the crap out of next to pay for SCHIP? Cause I suspect a boatload of people will quit smoking, rather than pay what they can't afford to kill themselves slowly. Somebody will have to pay.
  • Again with the inconsistency
    Today is a sad day for Boortz; it seems like you've discarded libertarianism for social conservatism. Sure, a tax on tobacco to pay for the externalities not handled by the market (like air quality) is good, but it should only pay for those negative externalities; it shouldn't be a punitive tax to destroy liberty. Non-smokers don't like smokers so they want to tax the living daylights out of them. Non-achievers don't like rich people so they want to tax the living daylights out of them. How is one great and the other terrible?
  • FairTax Reality
    @ Nathan
    The fairtax is mostly about federal payroll with-holding. I think Neal can have it both ways on this one.
  • Smokers for the Fair Tax
    You don't have to be a smoker to support the Fair Tax...but these days it doesn't hurt. The government is always creating taxes to modify behavior and force their moral codes of conduct. I don't really agree with the Talk Master on this one but who agrees all the time.

    Something I do agree with him on is the Fair Tax. The Fair Tax would put an end to all these stupid government taxes that so oppress the American people. It is more important than ever to write and call your congressmen (and congresswomen) and tell them you support the Fair Tax and you will be keeping their positions in mind in the voting booth.

    That's all they fear. Losing their jobs. Let them know that their jobs depend on their decisions, and that just because the President quit smoking doesn't mean that we want to.
  • Few things are more irritating than cigarette smokers and their smoke.
    Revenuers and self-righteous *ssholes telling others how to live their life are two of them though. I'll cough up a lung from second hand smoke before I side with anti-smokers or other would-be masters. I'll do without that lung before I do without my freedom.

    There isn't much, if anything the government can't decide for you if they are responsible for your health care, no matter how pathetic, substandard, or even nonexistent that health care turns out to be.

    I only smoke when I'm on fire ;-)
  • Continuity
    Despite what you may think about Neal about his views on this new cigarette tax, one thing you can't say is that for at least the past 8 years (that's when I started listening to him) he has been 100% consistent on views about smokers and tobacco.

    I quit smoking last Thanksgiving. I'm glad I did. Before, I kinda glossed over Neal's comments about smokers because it's his right as an American citizen to express his views, especially on the "public" airways. Even when I smoked, I thought the taxes on cigarettes were a good idea and never complained about them going up. I say good for the government, now start looking at other drugs of equal or lesser danger that could be legalized and taxed to hell and back.
  • Neal Stinks...
    Either you agree with taxes or you don't. My choice to smoke has nothing to do with your choice not to. I have health insurance and am one of the most productive members of my company.

    My main point is, Neal, the painful truth should be that placing an unreasonable tax on anything for any reason is wrong. This tax is unreasonable and its disingenious for you to support one tax that wouldn't effect you and flat out despise any tax that does effect you. Yes, I know you say that smoking effects you now due to medical bills. Your tax rates do not increase in direct relation to those who smoke and those who quit.

    A real solution would be for Medicaid to discontinue paying for medical services that are needed as a result of tobacco related health problems within a certain time of use.

    That would promote quitting sooner because the benefits will be available after a certain length of time after discontinued use of tobacco.

    Taxing the choice is wrong...and you know it.
  • Communists are free to smoke
    It seems Neil is only for liberties he likes. This opinion makes him sound like the democrats he abhores. Liberty mean putting up with things you don't like as well as people putting up with you.
    My neighbor has knee high weeds and spinners an a crappy car...His property, his life.
    No, I don't smoke.
  • I always ignored your opinions of smoking, yet
    I noticed you specifically mention cigarettes. I'm a Cigar lover that will not apologize for purchasing, lighting up, and thoroughly enjoying it's fine flavor at my lake house. Cigarettes are for those that want a quick fix, to satisfy their addiction. Cigar smokers do this to relax; it's more of a hobby.

    Your opinion about cigarette smokers has always been stored in the back of my head up until about 5 years ago, the day I became a business owner. Everything you said couldn't be more exaggerated. There is no comparison to the level of productivity between my smoking and non-smoking employees. I look back at the number of employees I've let go in the past. From the lack of work ethic to arriving late more than they should have to just letting their personal issues at home creeping into their work life. All of them were smokers. Not only that, I found out that most of them carried another addictions as well that are so easily prescribed. Now, I want to say this doesn’t apply to all smokers, and I’m tempted to wait for a cigarette smoker to prove me wrong knowing it could waste my time as an employer that’s struggling to expand his business.

    So far I couldn't agree more with you on this issue on cigarettes. I used to think, but this is America, who says who can't smoke cigarettes or not. The day all smokers take responsibility by paying for their own hospital bills or carrying their own health insurance (which is over 4x greater than those who don't smoke) is the day I will defend the freedom of cigarette smokers.
  • Smoking
    Increase the taxes enough and smoking will become a habit of the wealthy. Once it becomes a status symbol, all the kids will want to do it.
  • Behavior modification?
    Since when has it been correct to use taxes to change behavior? Last I checked, taxes were for the funding of government, not to target choices. In fact, I believe Neal has made this same point before.

    Show some consistency, for goodness' sake. I dislike smoking intensely, but this is not the way to discourage it.
  • To Hugo
    We're no myrmidons to Neal like you and your ilk are to your messiahbama. Why do you think we're calling him on this?
    Nobody's perfect.
  • Smoke for the kids
    My biggest problem with this tax is what it's for. Out of one side of their mouth the Government says that this is about public health and getting people to quit smoking. Out of the other side, they say it's to fund the expanded SCHIP program. So we make a law intended to get people to quit smoking while they simultaneously need them to keep smoking to fund CHIP for the children. Anyone else find this completely self-defeating?
  • cig tax
    So Neal, you love the new cig tax, huh? Well I think we should start taxing syndicated radio talk show hosts. Studies show that when you raise taxes on talk show hosts you . After all... it's for the chiiiiildren.
  • Surprise!
    Poor myrmidons-you're finally realizing your hero isn't about libertarianism! Instead, Neal is for one thing and one thing only-himself. And "himself" doesn't include his listeners.
  • Tabacco tax
    Neal, why do you even care?Whats the matter bud,are we getting too old to retain our ideals?It matters not what the subject is,this stance on targeted tax on a personal behavior is hypocritical by definition.
  • Tobacco Tax
    Neal,

    I absolutely love your show, I read your nuze EVERYDAY, wish you had it on the weekends too. But I just have to say, you preach about liberty, freedom, less government control, but then you support raising taxes on tobacco because you don't like smoking. So now, here you are putting down the politicians who want to raise taxes, and then cheering them on for a tobacco tax. This is a side of you I don't like, and it is just a way for people to call you a hipocrite. You want to legalize or decriminalize drugs, something that is much worse than smoking a cig or putting tobacco in your mouth, but yet, you want to take away the freedom of someone slowly killing themselves by smoking?
    I thought you were all about choices, and less taxes, and liberty, guess not all the way around.
  • SCHIP Program
    All I know is that one of the more regressive taxes ever conceived is going to be implemented to fund the SCHIP program, which requires government health care for the "children". And the fun part is that the "children" include those in families at way, way over the poverty level. Congratulations, Neal, on supporting more and bigger government.
  • Cigars?
    Neal, what is your opinion on Cigars? This Tax Increase also affects Premium cigars, which is mostly a Small Business industry. From the Manufacturers to the Retailers, it's mostly Mom and Pop and Family companies. This SCHIP Tax increase is putting a lot of small companies out of business and that puts added pressure on the cigar Export industry in Central America which is already tettering on sliding into more Socialist Regimes like in Nicaragua.

    I see the enjoyment of Fine Cigars akind to Wine. It takes more than 200 hands to produce and bring home a single Cigar. From Farming the Tobacco, Rolling it, and then to the consumer. It takes years.

    I quit Cigarettes, but the Cigar Culture is one of passion and Luxury. Tell me you side with the Freedom to enjoy Cigars like wine, and against Government putting people out of business just to buy votes with SCHIP.
  • Taxes
    Ok, so you raise the cig tax far enough and now you are gonna get a black market. How much is that gonna cost? Reduced tax revenues coming in, expenses for the investigations and court fees and ect... And what did you achieve? Now, who is going to pay all that money? The non smokers and ex smokers. You know that any money collected will be spent, and the government always needs more. When was the last time you saw a government program cut its budget?
  • Tobacco and Seat Belts
    Why don't we just combined today's two hot issues, and mandate that all smokers NOT wear seat belts? I'm sure Neal would endorse that plan.
  • @ Chris
    I copy / pasted what Stan Gable wrote and commented on it.....and yes, his comments ARE a joke.
    From a gun ownin' smokin' drinker'.
  • Smoking tax!
    I am a smoker. I am a veteran. I am retired, and live on a small pension. I NEVER missed a day of work due to smoking, have never killed anyone else on the road, and do not receive welfare (or even unemployment compensation). I object to being taxed to pay for the health care of folks who receive approximately 5 times my annual income. Your stance on this is inconsistent with your general approach to freedom and liberty, and while I agree with you on most things, I want to add my voice to those who disagree with you this time.

    To paraphrase an old quote, "First they came for the smokers, but I was not a smoker, so I did nothing ...."
  • Targeted Taxes
    If we're going to cheer targeted taxes because we don't like the product being taxed, may I propose a 500% increase in taxes on Alcohol? Or will that put a crimp in your dinner wine selection?
  • What?
    Please tell me the comment by JoeShmoe is a joke. Guns have protected countless more lives than the have taken. Find the stats moron. As for cig's, I hate them. I used to smoke and I know I was a moron for it so I quit. Best thing I ever did, but I don't have a good feel for sin taxes. What happens when people quit smoking, where will they get that tax $$ then?

    Chris
  • tobacco tax
    Though I love the fact that these taxes usually turn people away from smoking I hate the fact that the gov't is using this tax to control people's behavior. What happens when more and more people quite smoking? Where will they get that tax $$ from then? That is what scares me.

    Chris
  • 100% agreement
    100% agreement is NOT impossible.

    Libertarians are for freedom, period. If you are truly a libertarian, you are for freedom--100%. There is no grey area. You cannot have it both ways. If you are not fully devoted to the ideology regardless of the short term failings, you are just a hypocrite and anything you say can be discounted.
  • @Stan GABULL
    >>>>>>>>>>>>They should do the same with morons who buy guns. People who smoke endanger their lives the same way someone w/ a gun does. I dont drink so their can be a higher alcohol tax also. Tax them all and lower my taxes please!<<<<<<<<<<
    Of all the stupid things I have seen you post here, this one takes the cake.
    Look in the mirror to see the real moron.
  • @JKFCE
    Please explain to me how the taxpayer pays for a smokers/drinkers/drug users medical costs? That is,unless they are already covered under a GOVERNMENT WELFARE taxpayer funded health care program, the taxpayers don't. For all you puffers and druggies out there that PAY FOR YOUR OWN MEDICAL COVERAGE don't pay attention to this type of crap. Ya hear, NEAL?
  • Neal favors cig tax?
    Scary thought, but I seem to be agreeing with CopyLeft! I can't tell if Neal is really singing the praises of cigarette taxes, or trying to be satirical.

    Don't single out the smokers for taxes, just like don't single out high-bonus recipients.

    But give employers the right to deny health care benefits to smokers, or simple not hire them as well. Lets "spread the freedom around", okay? I don't think "smoker" is a protected class. If we also cut welfare and let the ones who really know how to dish out charity manage things, okay? Don't worry, they are plenty of left-wing AND right-wing charitable groups that can fund the welfare rolls.

    You up for that, CopyLeft (or do we part company here)?
  • Smokers or Lardbutts?
    Which group is more of a burden on our healthcare system? A three-hundred pound woman or a skinny, old man who enjoys a pack a day? Yes, smoking is a stupid habit, but the actions taken by government have hurt many farmers who have now been paid peanuts to stop growing the plant.
  • I quit when it went up a $1 here in FL
    But I am far from self-hating; maybe ignorant (depends on the topic)...but that can be fixed. I was one that enjoyed it for itself. But I'm now refusing to be pick-pocketed. I can't wait to see where govt wants to pick up the slack for once-upon-a-time smokers like myself.
  • Fair Tax?
    Will the fair tax need to be adjusted to compensate for the loss of tobbaco revenue after the Boortz prohibition begins? After all, we can't do without the SCHIP funding or whatever else they spend the sin taxes on. Or can we?
  • Cry me a stupid river...
    My weekend job is as a cashier in a grocery store. And all I hear is customers whining about the price of groceries and how they're "so broke."

    But I want to slap them after they complain about their $100 grocery bill and then tack on a $30-$55 carton of cigarettes. Oh I'm sorry... you're poor? I bet if you'd stop buying that expensive item that isn't a basic necessity aka a "need" every single week, you'd have thousands of dollars still in your account to pay for food, shelter, or god forbid put into a savings/retirement account.

    The part that pisses me off the most is that the other half of these "poor people" are on food stamps... and use the money they do make to buy cigarettes and other "wants." Raising the taxes won't stop this and I'm of the belief that it will only feed the food stamp cycle. If you want to smoke, fine - just don't ask me to subsidize your food bill in exchange for your luxury vice.
  • 100% agreement is impossible
    Can any epublican say they agree with their parties platform 100%. Dems do you agree 100% with your comrade platform? I am Libertarian and do not agree 100%. The only thing that keeps me from being Republican is the religious crap. Well, ok a few other things. If anyone says they do 100% me thinks you are either blind or lying. You don't even agree 100% with your spouses!!!

    There will always be little things you disagree on and I guess this smoke tax thing is it for Neal.
  • Agreeing with CopyLeft!?!
    I have to agree with CopyLeft. This is shameful.
    I am not a fan of smokers. They are generally rude and inconsiderate of others around them, but it is not my place or yours to discourage smoking by means of Government interference.
  • Shouyld do the same with
    They should do the same with morons who buy guns. People who smoke endanger their lives the same way someone w/ a gun does. I dont drink so their can be a higher alcohol tax also. Tax them all and lower my taxes please!
  • So you support the 90% tax on AIG bonuses
    Again, I am disappointed. If you support this punishment tax on smokers, then I assume you support the punishment tax on the AIG bonuses. What is the difference? According to the information provided in your blog, smokers cost billions in tax payer dollars: didn’t AIG executives cost billions in tax pay dollars.

    I agree smoking is a disgusting and self destructive habit. So is driving without a seatbelt, so is smoking pot, or crack, or doing meth. Then again, participating in sports, rock climbing, jogging, or skiing are also potential dangers to an individual that can cost the tax payers - let's hit them with a penalty tax...

    I am also concerned with a second mainstream media shock value of how much smokers cost in medical expenses and lost time at work. Medical expenses add to our economy as a paid for service (even if paid by government programs), and you do not indicate the amount of taxes collected (to offset government medical coverage) under the present system, nor how much government pays for the medical services, nor how much money goes into the economy due to the agricultural use, manufacture and purchase of cigarettes. Maybe I need to go watch MSNBC and I’ll see you right there with Keith Olberman.
  • Cigarette Tax
    We should raise the cigarette tax even higher. Then we could have a war on cigarettes just like the war on drugs. And while we are taxing things that are unhealthy, let's also go after twinkies and cupcakes. Then we could really call ourselves libertarians.
  • Smoking Tax
    You can't call yourself a libertarian if you advocate any taxes that are designed to punish any legal individual behavior. Taxes that are for anything other than the legitimate, consitutional functions of government and are not broadly based are immoral and unconstitutional.
    BTW-The AMA just concluded that smokers actually save the health care system money since they don't live as long and pay thousands in additional taxes from their habit.
    Here's an idea! Lets add taxes motorcycles, fatty foods, booze and every other dangerous activity habit I find stupid and "disgusting", since we're defining freedom based on our own prejudices.
  • This is ludicrous!!
    Neal's opinion although not shocking given his disdain for all things tobacco related...I disagree with.

    Here is yet another example of attempted behavior modification through taxation! "IF" (and this is very unlikely), every person decided to stop smoking because of this new tax...they would just move on to tax some "OTHER" behavior and label it for another "Save The (cause of the day here)"...! Opinions aside, I can't believe Neal is for this...I get his argument...but there are 3 sides to every story...Luv you long time Neal...heh..

    John
  • A Bit Hypocritical
    Neal,

    You stand there in your pulpit of the church of the painful truth and preach that imposing a tax on executives that recieve bonuses form bailed out companies that is wrong, that increasing taxes on the "high achievers" is wrong, to single out any group and tax them is wrong. Now you "couldn't be more thrilled" that they are raising the tax on smokers, sounds a bit hypocritical to me, especialy seeing how the tax increase supports a program that you oppose.
    When tax revenue falls because of this 158% tax increase, and it will, maybe they will raise the tax on people with one eyed dogs, or moonies, or motercycles. Then we will hear you scream from your pulpit how unfair it is to single out one single group to be taxed. Make up your mind the "high priest of the painful truth" should not be a hypocrite.
  • Smoking costs & benefits
    Neal, are you quite sure that smoking costs $193 billion per year?

    Does that include the taxes generated from tobacco?

    Or the fact that studies show that smokers use significantly less Medicare and Social Security because they die younger and quicker?

    Does that include taxes paid from tobacco companies and employees and distributers and shops?

    I'll not get on you about the seeming hypocrisy - the fact is that we all have a little hypocrisy about something. It's a human trait. It's the zealotry that bothers me.
  • Libertarian?
    While I think smoking is pretty stupid, other people think flying private planes is stupid. Does Neal advocate taxing based on the number of people who think something is stupid or just don't like it? This is what our tax system is for? Federal taxes go to over $10/carton, and in SC they're trying to raise their taxes over $6 cents/carton, plus smokers are already paying inflated prices for the tobacco settlement (which they spent already on issues unrelated to their stated purpose) so smokers are paying more for taxes than product. I don't see your stance on this tax to be anywhere near in line with your stance on other taxes. You sound like all the liberals out there who want any and every tax that they don't have to pay increased. How bout you say in your whiny voice "but it's for the children!"
  • Cigarette tax increase
    Again, you are not showing your Libertarian proclamations.

    Smokers are excercising their free choice. Yes, it is not healthy. So? Are you suggesting that tax increases are ok on all unhealthy activities of free people?

    The smokers are not costing the economy 193 million. They are investing in the healthcare system. (tongue in cheek)

    The activities of smokers incurs higher risk of illness. Insurance companies cover the cost of those ilnesses. And the premiums should cover the costs to the companies.

    Get the government out of it.
  • Tobacco Tax
    Sure tobacco is very bad for you. No one should use that product. But I have a big problem (and I am surprised that you, Neal, do not)with using taxes to influence behavior in any way. This includes all deductions (such as mortgage interest paid). It will lead down a very slippery slope and once we get good momentum, they will use taxes for everything that THEY deem as behavior that needs to be modified.
  • Smokers
    If we were to save 100 Billion the Congress would have it spent before it was ever realized ! Tell Congress to go home. Tell Congress to PROVE GLOBAL WARMING using the Scientific Method.
  • Good example of a legal tax
    This is a legal, apportioned tax, unlike income taxes. If smokers don't want to pay it, they have an option. Damn the government for incenting them to save money and reduce their long term risk for cancers! It is time the govt gets wise and starts taxing pot too, and ending this failed Nixon-era anti-hippie war on (soft)drugs. I pay 68 cents per gallon of gas in taxes too, but if I dont want to pay that tax, I have an option... get on a bike. Neal is perfectly within his rights to call himself a Libertarian and still support this tax. It is a tax method specifically approved in the Constitution, and it is a fact that tobacco-related health issues are a burden to the taxpayers, who have to compensate hospitals for the care rendered to patients without the means to pay their own bills or pay for insurance. Those calling Neal out as a LINO, why? This is the kind of taxation which true Libertarians SHOULD support; an apportioned tax, levied on a particular item and not indiscriminately across the population.
  • Why Not Answer, Neal?
    I simply can't believe you are actually promoting a punishment tax aimed at a specific segment of the populace?

    Why don't you answer this overwhelming number of people who'd like to know your justification for punishment taxes on only those you don't like.
  • Copyleft
    I wonder why you're so concerned about a tax on homosexuality Copyleft?? You were real quick to point that one out.
  • About Neal's Position
    Neal, I think others have made it very clear that you are being extremely hypocritical about the cigarette tax. While I find smoking deplorable, and smokers (as a rule) despisable, the tax is clearly an abuse that needs to be removed.
  • Taken out of context
    Folks, you're missing the point. His disgust for smokers aside, Neal doesn't want to have to FUND medical treatment for smokers. This is just like the seatbelt laws and decriminalizing narcotics (tobacco and alcohol are drugs, too). We don't want to have to pay for other people who CLEARLY aren't doing everything they can to keep taxpayer costs low. What I think Neal would be ok with, from statements I just heard on the radio, would be the government saying "if you smoke, if you weren't wearing a seatbelt, if you weren't wearing a helmet, we aren't covering your medical costs". Just like welfare shouldn't be given to people who can't pass a drug test. Also, Neal never said he wants to legalize pot. He said he wants to decriminalize it. There is a huge difference. Regardless, people who are addicts are going to do whatever they want. You punish the inability to do them responibly- not everyone who uses is violent or ends up in the hospital so don't tell everyone that they can't do whatever they want because a few are irresponsible.
  • Neal is a LINO
    Libertarian In Name Only. its a shame. he used a Libertarian. not any more
  • Cigarette Tax
    Neal, I am fully aware of your hatred for smokers. I'm usually behind you 99.9% of the time but this time I am not. This tax that you seem so gleeful towards is hypocritical on your part. You become incensed when a tax is imposed on a specific group of people. Why should this be any different? Maybe there should be a special golf tax? how much does it cost the economy when one decides to call in 'sick' and play hooky from work to go play golf? How many accidents happen on the fairway or in the woods because of a loose club, a snake bite, a stray golf ball to the noggin' or ????. Maybe a special tax on auto racing,or parachuting, or ultralight aircraft flying, or boxing. Or....I think you get the point.
  • But...
    Pot is OK??? Sheesh... Whatta double standard.
  • Scary ideals here
    I believe in freedom of choice. I like you neal dont get me wrong, I may be one of those people you wouldnt like. I enjoy an occasional cigar, have tatoos work in a steelmill and am a former Marine Nco. I find it humorous that you want to legalize pot but despise tobacco. I work around some of these illegal pot smokers and cringe at times while they navigate. But again its their choice and not for me to judge. Wonder how many people this will put out of work? Ah isnt freedom grand. Semper Fi
  • cig taxes
    Dont you think its a but hypocritical to put forward a plan to simplfy tax and treat people fairly, and yet show glee at treating one specific behavior with outrageous taxes?

    If they want to ruin their health, they can pay for it themselves. If they need a smoke break, they can have it at lunch. Using the tax code for behavior modification or punishment is wrong, and you know it.
  • Taxing Smokers
    Be careful how gleeful you are about the government singling out one segmet of the society to punish. Next could be dog ownwers or motorcycle riders.....
  • tobacco taxes
    I agree that smokers are slowly killing themselves, quitting is about the hardest thing that I ever did. I so detest that this or any government uses the power of taxation to manipulate the people. as usual the government knows best. I am suprised that neal is in agreement with this form of government control whether it be on tobacco products, oil , or speech.
  • Boortz....as nannie?
    Neal,

    I understand your dislike of smokers. As a catholic, I have a disdain for abortion. But as a libertarian, I don't believe that the government should use force to ban certain activities. I'd like to provide 2 quotes Warren Meyer, a libertarian blogger from Arizona (coyoteblog.com).

    Activist: A person who believes so strongly that a problem needs to be remedied that she dedicates substantial time to … getting other people to fix the problem. (http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2007/11/definition-of-a.html)

    Interestingly, most people don’t think of themselves as advocating government interference with people’s private decisions. However, if you ask them the right questions, you will find that they tend to fall into one of several categories that all want the government to intervene in individual decision-making in some way: nannies, moralists, technocrats, and progressive/socialists.

    Nannies see government (and increasingly, the courts via class-actions and the tort system) as super-mom. They believe the government’s job is to protect people mainly from their own bad decision-making. (http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2005/01/respecting_indi.html)

    Keep up the irreverence!
  • Tobacco Tax
    I agree with Neil's comment on tobacco taxes 100%, but I also disagree 100%. It's a tax! When this tax starts to decrease, and it will, to fund S-Chip, the tax will show up somewhere else. Come on Neil, I thought you knew better.
  • Smokers and Boortz
    Funny, how you think it's OK for the government to enforce your desires, but complain loud and long when your ox gets gored. Sorry, Neal, I'm usually in your corner... you and I have much we agree on... but, sorry, you loose your libertarian decoder ring on this one.
  • Tobacco is not all the same
    Neal:
    I love you long time and I even included the fair tax website in my book.
    But I know that there are a few subjects on which you have a closed mind with tobacco being one.
    I'm a FORMER cigarette smoker and agree that with everything that is known about that product - it's pretty stupid to use it.
    But smoking a premium cigar once a week is totally NOT the same as smoking 20 - 30 cigarettes a day.
    But the anti-liberty crowd does not differentiate and the tax on premium cigars is also going up on Wednesday - 55%.
    What about all the small business owners who employ two or three people in their neighborhood cigar shops around the country?
    These are hard working people who are among the first to help with charities and cater not to the 'dumbasses' who smoke the cigarettes but rather their customers are among the best and the brightest (in ATL - CC of the South, Athletic Club, etc).
    Come on Neal - start speaking up for these capitalists and stop grouping premium cigar smokers with cigarette smokers.
  • Hypocrisy, table for one
    Gee, the government is taxing a personal behavior choice--and Neal approves!

    I wonder what Neal would say about sin taxes on alcohol, single-passenger driving, homosexuality, or any other personal behaviors that DON'T offend him.

    Ahh, the smell of hypocrisy in the morning.
  • It's kinda funny...
    I'm 25 and I smoked for a few years until 2 weeks ago. NJ imposed an 80 cent increase and then there's the new one on Wednesday.

    No more tax revenue from me!.. and it's a STUPID habit.

    For once, I thank the gov't.
  • Smoking
    Nice to see you use a statist argument to attack smokers. Have you become a liberal or just less/better librial than Pelosi!
  • It's a drug
    It's a drug that is way more harmful than pot, just outlaw it, let Philip Morris sell pot instead and tax the heck out of it.
  • Isn't this type of tax
    ... the same basic thing as what the government wanted to do to those at AIG receiving bonuses by taxing those bonuses by 90%? I am by no means a fan of anyone who smokes, but this is just another targetted tax to a certain group of people that our current administration disagrees with their behavior (albeit our president is a proven smoker).

    I by no means like smokers and wish they could/would all quit. I just don't agree with taxing them more because they have a bad habit. It just opens the door for other similar taxes. Next thing we could have a TV tax because our government thinks people watch to much television or something similar. This could also be used as a stepping stone to energy taxes, after all those taxes are used to deter certain behavior as well. Isn't the Cap and Trade the same basic concept?

    I find it fairly hypocritical of you to be behind this tax when it is contradictory to some of the basic things you talk about daily on your show. I understand you can't stand smokers, but you should be against any tax that targets certain individuals wether you like them or not.
  • smoker hate speech
    Neal,

    I'm confused by your anti-smoking stance. It seems to go against your default to freedom mantra. I don't think I've ever heard your reasoning on it.

    If the gubament can tax dirty, stinking smokers in to submission, why can't they tax dirty, stinking rich people into submission?

    Also, the 'hate speech' thing was sarcasm :)
  • Cigarette Tax
    Is any new government tax scheme ever a good thing? Even if it is aimed at nincompoops? I think not.
  • Tobacco Tax
    Yup, on the same day that the fed increases their "butt tax" by $0.60 a pack, South Carolina (formerly having the lowest cigarette tax of any other state) will increase its tax by $0.50/pack thereby raising government's stake in the transaction to $1.51 for each pack of butts.

    On the other hand, those that create the product, according to the Tobacco Industry, earn just over $0.22 per pack after growing it, packaging it, shipping it, warehousing and retailing it.

    So if the tobacco company earns 22 cents and the "gummit" earns over $1.50 for each pack... who REALLY has the greatest "vested interest" in the continued use of this source of revenue?

    Adakin Valorem

    FairTax Rally
    April 15th
    Boortz & Huckabee Live!
    TownCenter, Columbia SC
  • Tobacco Tax Increase
    APRIL FOOLS? NOT!
  • Odd
    This doesn't sound much like Boortz. Using the power of the state in the form of taxation to try to control human behavior.
  • Liberty?
    Neil, for someone who calls himself a libertarian and values freedom, you want to control someone's personal habits. I don't smoke, but using the tax code to change people's behavior is exactly what you denounce in your FairTax book.

    Where does this tax money go? If the idea is to make people quit smoking, what happens to those government programs that rely on that tax? You honestly think the government will just drop those programs?
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