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GUN OWNERS OUTED BY NEWSPAPER

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Neal Boortz
@ February 16, 2009 9:02 AM
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Things are getting heated in Memphis, Tennessee where a newspaper decided it would be a good idea to publish all the names and information of gun owners in the state. The Commercial Appeal's Web site now lists all those in Tennessee who have a permit to carry a concealed weapon.

The outcry from the public has been so huge, that the paper felt the need to defend its decision. I thought that you might enjoy a few of the reasons why the paper supports the need to know who in your neighborhood is a handgun owner:

  • A mom might now check the list to see if the parents at her kid's sleep-over next door had a concealed weapon permit. If so, maybe it would be worth talking to them to make sure the gun is locked up.
  • A school official, concerned about whether teachers were bringing guns onto school grounds, might check the list to see whether anyone on the staff has a permit to carry, and then have a discussion about it.
  • Business people who sell goods and services that might be of interest to those who carry concealed weapons might use the list to generate new leads.
  • But there is one overriding, enduring reason the permit-to-carry list needs to be public. Once a concealed weapon is pulled out at a shopping center, a hospital or a business, what happens next with that gun becomes a matter of public concern to everyone.

Hey ... I have an idea here. Why doesn't this same newspaper publish a list of all people who have communicable diseases? How about a list of people with HIV? Maybe some mother would be a little concerned about her child spending the night at a friend's home where mom and dad have full-blown AIDS. Maybe a school official might like to know which teachers are HIV positive, and which are not.

We know the reason, don't we? The newspaper is philosophically opposed to people owning and carrying guns ... and this is a way for them to fight back.



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  • Liberal Rag got its comeuppence
    The Commercial Appeal got the tables turned on them. Gotta love it.

    http://sfcmac.wordpress.com/2009/02/17/lawful-gun-owner-turns-tables-on-liberal-rag/
  • Publicizing Concealed Gun Permit Holders
    The nimrods at the Roanoke, Va paper did a similar thing. One person they exposed was a battered wife who repeatedly had to move to get away from her ex-husband. Because they gave access to the list of people and their addresses, she had to move again to protect herself. The leftists cretins at that paper didn't care who got hurt by their expose'.
  • Do it the smart way
    Why not just publish a list of everyone who doesn't have a permit? It would be like giving a GPS to a criminal, allowing them to plot the shortest distance between easy marks.
  • side note
    Lousy, hateful comparison. HIV is only communicable if you're going to have unprotected sex with someone who is infected. 2nd amendment rights can be defended without relying on silly comparisons that only appeal to uninformed people's fears.
  • This is the line that scares me the most...
    "The state of Tennessee, to this point, has decided that the right to carry a concealed weapon comes with the responsibility of agreeing to have a public record of who is packing."

    so if you don't have a permit to carry you are breaking the law by owning a gun, but if you have one then your name is susceptible for anybody to see......what a load of crap.
  • Handgun Carry Permit
    The license issued by the State of Tennesse is called a Handgun Crry Permit (HCP), not a Concealed Carry Permit. Holders of this permit can carry a loaded handgun concealed or OPENLY, LEGALLY, as I do. That's right, I carry my handguns right out in the open, in a holster on my belt, for anyone to see it, just like they use to do back in the late 1800's. I live in Western Tn, I carry everywhere I go, and noone seems to be alarmed by it. I don't care who knows I have a HCP, but I respect the privacy of those that carry concealed.

    You might be interested to know that in some states open carry of a loaded handgun doesn't even require a permit. Two states, Alaska and Vermont, don't require any permit to carry a handgun, concealed or openly.

    You want to learn more about open carry (OC) go to http://www.opencarry.org

    Here's another good link for gun facts
    http://www.gunfacts.info/
  • we are screwed
    WE have all been asleep at the wheel for years letting these politicians have their way with our constitution and letting the media get away with supporting them. I for one do not support them any more than I have to. Send a message people. Write a letter telling them you no longer need their left wing bias, their lies and omissions and cancel your subscriptions. Find a source that you trust, another paper, internet or blog. If I even see a hint of bias, articles that support one side most of the time. I cancel. Even some of the magazines I truly like to read. Send a message with your wallet but include a reason why. Might be hard for some, but as a paper addicted friend told me, if they fail in their duty to inform the public with unbiased truth, why pay them your hard earned money to be lied to?
  • 2nd Amendment
    Two commnents concerning this story.
    The first is that the paper mentioned a concealed weapons holder had an argument over damage to vehicle in a parking lot and shot some one. They also mentioned that he had been arrested and should lose his concealed weapons. The term used was arrested not convicted. It is ammazing that the statistic used in any incident involving a conealed weapons permit holder is arrested. As important as the 2nd Amendment is, the pursumption of innocence maybe as important in this country. I can not imagine using arrest only statistics to try to smear a racial, ethnic or religious group but I have seen it many times when it comes to gun ownership.
    My seconed point is to Stan. I am an Ancient Order of Hibernian: Catholic and Irish Descent. We had a lecture concerning the brutality of English rule in Ireland. Included in the Penal Code was that no Catholic could own a gun. You might ask a few Jewish Gun Owners about gun ownership for their relatives in Germany, Russia, ect. Don't say that dictator could not rise here. Germany and England were each considered at the high end of civilization and culture. However, both could brutal to their opponents and dis arming their opponents was extremely inportant.
  • kentucky news paper story
    This is just the beginning folks. A friend of mine in Oregon said they are trying to print those who have concealed weapons permits up there as well. thank goodness the county sheriff is fighting this but we still don't know if the sheriff can prevent the names from being published.
  • Who should be upset
    The people that should be upset are the ones that are not on it. They have enjoyed the protection that there are people with guns and that prevents crimes against them. Now that protection has been removed.

    As for a need to own a gun. Nobody that owns a gun is required to provide you a reason. We don't have to have one. We can choose to have one and you cannot do anything about it. If you do not like it, you can choose to live somewhere else.
  • Another useful list...
    ...would be of all the women who had abortions the previous week.
  • Tenn. Newspaper
    well I Guess if they have the right to publish someone elses info the perhaps someone should publish the names and addresses of all the staff members at the Newspaper, you know in case they write an article that you disagree with, you wouldn't want to subject your kids to a sleepover with liberal idiots.
  • Return the Favor
    To return the paper's favor, a list of the contact information for the newspapers' principals has bee compiled. It may be found at http://thehighroad.us/showthread.php?t=406353
  • Advertisers
    Fish wrappers are in STEEP DECLINE.. contact their advertisers, tell them you will NOT support their product put that propaganda rag outta business! OR find the addresses of reporters and PUBLISH them on the NET!
  • re: Michael Jones @ 02/16/09 01:31:02 PMreport abuse
    Maybe this has been said but it seem like another use is that someone intending to break in to a house could check to make sure the owner doesn't have concealed carry. That doesn't mean there no weapons but it certainly increases the odds. If I DIDN'T have a permit I'd be outraged that they were increasing my chances of being a victim.
  • Helping the Criminals
    I agree that now a criminal will know which house to rob when nobody is home. This works the opposite of what antigunners want by putting more illigal guns on the street. Why not publish who keeps large sums of cash in their house as well. These Liberals are all for privacy as long as you agree with their beliefs.
  • Do Some Research
    Stan, I must say that from the posts of yours that I've read I'm guessing you're "fairly" liberal. I'm also guessing you received your political views second hand (probably from your parents) because you certainly don't seem to have researched your beliefs for yourself. A good portion of your posts are simply conservative-bashing remarks and uninformed comments. You have every right to be opposed to private gun ownership, but please, for your own sake, come up with something a little more creative than "To argue against gun control is the same as saying you hate America". In my honest opinion not being open to all viewpoints regardless of personal convictions and developing narrow-minded, ill-informed opinions is the same as saying you hate America. Since you also seem to scour this website you may or may not have come across this link. It gives a good deal of information about gun ownership and deaths/accidents in the United States over the past few years. I doubt it will it change your mind, but at least you'll know a little bit more about what you're arguing against.

    http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp
  • Stan is an idiot
    The 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with hunting. It has to do with being able to fight in a militia. I have guns to protect myself and my wife from predators.

    You attended a government school and voted for Obama, didn't you Stanley?
  • who needs self protection these days
    Perhaps Aasiya Hassan could have used a gun. She filed for divorce from her devout muslim husband and feared for her safety. Being a law-abiding citizen of New York where there is no right to keep a gun for personal safety, she got a restraining order against her husband on February 6. Today is February 16 and she is dead.

    I'm quite certain she had a cell phone with which to call 911. By Stan's logic she is alive and well right now. In reality, she was beheaded by her estranged husband.

    That's all the proof I need to close my argument against gun control.
  • I would be fuming
    I don't own a gun, but I wholeheartedly support gun ownership. If this had happened to me, I would be absolutely FUMING. It is not the business of a newspaper to "out" people with concealed weapons. They are concealed for a reason, you idiots! Quit thinking it's for some nefarious reason, and actually grow a braincell and realize it's for protection.
  • hating America
    Actually Stan, I would say that arguing FOR gun control is the same as saying you hate America. America is the physical embodiment of the Constitution. The 2nd Amendment is obviously part of that. And gun control is an argument against the 2nd Amendment. The logic is very clear.

    But perhaps you mean that you hate Americans. Your lack of trust in concealed carry permit holders certainly backs up that thought. How bitterly ironic that some day one of them might save your life.
  • wanna get back
    I think this paper has gotten to big for it's britches...I have canceled my subscription as of this morning...and this is sad ,because I have read this paper daily for almost 20 years........
  • I carry a gun. Tell anybody you want!
    I carry a firearm. I couldn't care less who knows. In fact, if everybody knew, my chances of being a crime victim would be reduced to almost zero. Why victimize someone who can fight back, when there are plenty of helpless folks out there?
  • I dont need a gun, I have a big you know what. Make Love not War
  • Guns
    I find it ironic that when I go to my doctor or any other place that requires me to divulge personal information (including my employer), I get 2 & 3 pages explaining how they will treat my information as demanded by the federal government via the privacy act. Yet a gun owner, who is exercising his RIGHTS given to him by the Constitution of the United States, is outed.

    Stan - shut the he!! up. It is irrelevant whether anyone needs to own a gun or not. The US Constitution says that YOU have the right to own one. PERIOD!! You wanna make your case? Then quit your drivel here and draft a case for the US Supreme Court. Oh - and get back to us about how that goes.

    I don't own a gun and truthfully, probably never will. But I whole heartedly support those who legally do own & carry. And I could care less if it's for hunting or for protection.

    My Dad is in his 80's and carries. He travels to & from a nursing home where my Mom is and the route ain't through the nicest part of town. Due to his age he is a prime target. But I pity the fool that sees him as an easy prey. He took an advanced shooters course last year (pop-up targets, good guy/bad guy, situational engagements, etc.) and an Officer commented, "See that old guy over there? You get into a fire-fight with him and you're gonna die." So it's some peace of mind that he can't protect himself as well as my Mom.

    I just wish the "Stan's" in this world could be in a situtation where some law abiding citizen drew a weapon and shot the person who was about to rape their significant other. I sure the first words out of their mouth would be, "Why on earth do you need that gun?" Shyeah.....right.
  • Gun List
    OK, Now I can see which houses Not to rob. Sure makes it handy for thiefs
  • Stan???
    Again you think you are in a position to decide who hates America and who loves her!! Please break into my house, please!!!!!
  • Good list
    Glad to see this since when my kids want to sleep over somewhere, I can make sure the host IS ON THE LIST and able to protect them.

    Also, since "Once a (legal) concealed weapon is pulled out at a shopping center, a hospital or a business, what happens next with that gun becomes a matter of public concern to everyone," the paper should recap all the times that has happened in the past 5 years or so.
  • guns
    So what you're saying stan is that only reason someone would buy a gun and get a concealed weapons licence is to commit a crime? I highly doubt that the criminal who robs the seven eleven bought his gun legally, has a gun licence, and registered it.
  • Gun Crimes by concealed carriers
    I wonder if this paper will print the number of crimes committed with a gun by people with a concealed weapons permit. Probably not, as the numbers are so low or non-existent.
  • Gun shopping list
    Publishing a list of gun owners is a significant risk to the gun owners, increasing the odds of burgulary for criminals to obtain guns. Thus the measure is obviously counter-productive, even to an anti-gun agenda. People get concealed carry permits because concealment is in their personal interest, an that includes the concealment of the fact of their gun ownership. I think the paper should be sued for millions when the first home invasions results in the death of a legal gun owner. I also think the law should be changed to ensure that this information is no longer public.
  • Proud Member of the NRA
    And licensed to carry as well. Everyone that supports the 2nd ammendment should be a member of the NRA. Dues are small and you get a weekly magazine that keeps you informed about the heinous efforts of the left to destroy the 2nd ammendment and how the NRA is fighting for us all. Put your money where your mouth is.
  • Gun Control
    Big mistake for a newspaper in West Tenn to be opposed to gun control.
  • Need for guns
    Obviously, Stan, you have not been out to the Western part of these great United States lately. I know lots of people who hunt deer, moose, antelope, elk and a number of other critters that they do take home and put in the freezer to eat. Wild game is much healthier than beef (much lower fat) and tastes pretty good too when it's processed and cooked right. I also know lots of folks in Western Canada who also hunt and eat their kill. Maybe you should get out among the rest of the folks before you make comments about there being no need for guns in the hands of individuals. Aside from the practical uses, the Second Amendment guarantees our right to keep and bear arms. Not everyone who owns a gun is a criminal in search of a victim.
  • To the profound Stan Gable, who said "how can you argue against gun control?"
    I control my gun just fine, thanks.

    Here's a profound statement for you to consider very carefully:

    "If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns."
  • Oh, boy, now the criminals know I have a permit ...
    so when they come to my house to get my gun, they'll know enough to come in shooting. Say WHAT?!?!

    It's been said that the original database this newspaper posted had to be subsequently modified - the original carried address, date of birth and a few other things. Also, it's been asserted that the database has been subsequently editted to remove some names. Also asserted that the database isn't accurate.

    Wrong data, incomplete data can be worse than NO data.

    What was that movie title again? Oh, yes, "Absence of Malice"

    Disclosure: I am not now, have never been, nor never will be a subscriber to this rag.
  • correcting Neal's last sentence
    "The newspaper is philosophically opposed to people owning and carrying guns ... and this is a way for them to fight back."attack

    FTFY
  • Calling Memphis Criminals
    Hey guys, now you know who will be easy to rob, rape, or murder in Memphis! Just pick a victim who ISN'T on that list.
  • Shot out of the sky...
    "A mom might now check the list to see if the parents at her kid's sleep-over next door had a concealed weapon permit. If so, maybe it would be worth talking to them to make sure the gun is locked up."

    Moot, as guns will be in people's homes regardless of a concealed-weapons permit.

    "A school official, concerned about whether teachers were bringing guns onto school grounds, might check the list to see whether anyone on the staff has a permit to carry, and then have a discussion about it."

    Moot, as guns are illegal on school property regardless of a concealed-weapons permit.

    "Business people who sell goods and services that might be of interest to those who carry concealed weapons might use the list to generate new leads."

    Leads for what? People who go through the legal process of obtaining a concealed-weapons permit so they can commit armed robberies?

    "But there is one overriding, enduring reason the permit-to-carry list needs to be public. Once a concealed weapon is pulled out at a shopping center, a hospital or a business, what happens next with that gun becomes a matter of public concern to everyone."

    The reason a concealed-weapons permit holder will extract his weapon in a shopping center will be of greater concern to the general public. He will most likely get a round of applause once the police arrive to arrest the suspect.

    By the way, put me on the list of concealed-weapons permit holders. I carry a Kel-Tec P3-AT nearly everywhere I go, unless where I'm going doesn't allow it, and so far I have not had to extract it anywhere thank God. You see, we are law abiding people, not criminals looking for a permit to commit crimes. Geeze.
  • Gun List
    I would guess that the those wishing to rob someone can now look up to see if they have a gun permit first!
  • The pen is mightier
    Since the pen is mightier than the sword I think the paper needs to publish the same information about all of its employees!

    This just goes to show that NO information should be collected or retained by the government about those who have arms.
  • How can you argue against Gun control
    What are you in the 1700s? Nobody needs guns anymore. Are you expecting to go hunt some Buffaloi and have dinner for a week? The only reason people buy guns anymore is to kill people or commit other felonies. To argue against gun control is the same as saying you hate America
  • A useful list
    I guess the idiots at the paper don't know you can google names and often find the person's home address. This makes the list is ideal for criminals. They now now where to go to steal a gun, and now who who doesn't have one.
  • "outing" gun owners
    It's as if there is something to be ashamed of - and the funny thing is, it's not even every gun owner, only the ones who cared enough to get a concealed weapons license. It makes me sick to my stomach, this to me links into the Fairness Doctrine, once they lock down conservative talk radio - where's our forum? Where's our voice in an increasingly facist and socialist leaning media and govt...God help us all...I'm getting an ulcer.
  • Analogies
    I wonder what the paper would think if, after 9/11, someone had published a list of all Muslims in Tennessee?
  • The public has a right to know!
    You nailed it Neal.

    It is amazing how quickly RATS scurry when you turn on the lights!

    BTW, you forgot a few for your public disclosure list: People with other STD's, Drug Resistant Staff, tuberculosis and other infectious, communicable diseases, convicted drug and DUI offenders, unwed mothers, parents behind in child support payments and anyone receiving a government support check.

    The public has a right to know!
  • What about....
    What about the woman who buys a gun because her ex (insert husband, boyfriend, father etc...) is abusive. She retreats, successfuly hides herself and gets a conceled weapon to protect herself. Way to go dumbocrats... out her and give the abusive jerk the path to her door. Maybe she'll shoot him and we'll have one less to worry about.
  • Gun Owner Outted
    Great idea. Paper would find everyone in our family over 21 is licensed, trained, and carrying. We even have 'warning labels' on our vehicles. Publication of names in newspapers would be a boon to predators as to who might be an easy prey and who isn't. Might just cut down on crime for those that do not think govt. is the solution or that we can rely on govt. to protect us before a crime occurs.
  • Gun Control
    The government is systematically disarming and robbing its citizens in any way possible. Just last week a South Carolina local police department took part in a "Guns For Rose's" program. This is if you turned in a gun, you get a rose and a WalMart gift card work an artibtrary amount decided by type of firearm. When they do this in South Carolina...United States beware.
  • outed by newspaper
    Actually, it should be the non gun owners who are having a fit. All the criminals have to do is go down the list to know which homes and people to avoid. Then it's open season on anyone not listed.
  • This is crazy
    You put your life at risk more for just driving than walking around town. To get a permit you have to go through background checks and other things and these people who have a permit to carry are probably the safer of Americans than the idiots who wanna post all their information to everyone to see. Im like Boortz...post people with diseases, liberals, Muslims...go ahead and make a reason to give out everyone's personal information...piss everyone off. Then people would shut up.
  • Guns and kids
    This is an interesting day to read this. Just this weekend, my family stayed with the grand parents. My two youngest (9 and 10) were sleeping no more than 5 feet away from an unlocked, loaded 45 calibur Ruger. They've held the weapon and KNOW not to touch it.

    That simple.

    Now, I would never leave it like that if it were my home and there was a baby sitter watching the kids. My 9mm is locked up in a safe. And it's loaded. I can get it out and ready to fire within 20 seconds of hearing my front door being knocked down in the middle of the night.

    I just assume have the paper publish my home as a place where a gun is located. That would remove my home from the burgler's list.
  • cwp
    Roanoke Times reporter Christian Trebjal did the same thing last year. Don't ya love liberal rags!!!
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