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WIRE TAPPING RULED LEGAL .. ANY OUTRAGE?

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Neal Boortz
@ January 16, 2009 8:59 AM
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Just days before George Bush leaves office, the FISA court issued a major ruling. Now remember, FISA stands for Foreign Intelligence Secrecy Act. It is a secret court that expedites warrants for our intelligence agencies to help fight the war on terror. In a really rare public opinion from the court, it validated the "power of the president and Congress to wiretap international phone calls and intercept e-mail messages without a specific court order, even when Americans' private communications may be involved." Here's the story from The New York Times.

This marks the first time that an appellate court addressed the constitutionality of the wiretapping powers of the federal government. With this ruling, "it may offer legal credence to the Bush administration's repeated assertions that the president has the power to act without specific court approval in ordering national security eavesdropping that may involve Americans."

As a senator, Obama was very much against Bush's presidential wiretapping power. But then he voted for the bill anyway that gave Bush the power to do so. Now that Obama is entering the Oval Office, maybe he will appreciate a ruling like this .. knowing the challenges that face him.

Apologies from those who slammed Bush on this issue? Yeah, right. Are you kidding me?

By the way ... note that the critics always used the term "domestic wiretapping" when referring to these wiretaps even though either the caller or the person receiving the call was always in another country. Only in the mind of a liberal is that "domestic wiretapping."



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  • This article
    The very first letter I had published in the AJC was about this issue 4 years ago, I've had others published since, mostly critical of various aspects of the Bush administration. Not long after the first one, I started receiving anonymous mailings containing copies or reprints of articles, usually related to the letter I wrote but from the opposite view point.

    Today I received an copy of this blog post. No name, no return address as usual.

    As has been pointed out below, the recent ruling has nothing to do with the fact that Bush ordered warrantless domestic wiretaps, something he admitted doing multiple times, which is a felony.

    If you're going to send out anonymous mailings to prove to somebody that you think you're correct about an issue, you should make sure you know what you're talking about before you do. God I hope that idiot is reading this.
  • FISA Abuse
    There are always some that take advantage of any situation to advance their own agenda. My feeling is the FISA laws are no exception. I would hope that any FISA abuse of citizens that are found not to be terrorist are not prosecuted. Any such act of this abuse should result in the firing of anyone involved of this prosecution. We need to remember that the main purpose of the federal government is to protect it's citizens from terrorism ... foreign or domestic. Not from ourselves.
  • pay attention people
    The court ruled that congress had the authority to change the rules on the currently illegal wiretapping to continue in its now legal form (because congress changed the laws).

    there's a big difference between ruling it constitutional and ruling that congress has the authority to change the rules that need to be followed.

    essentially, the court said that congress had the right to change the rules that Bush is now required to follow to keep the operation legal. It did nothing to address the formerly illegal operation performed prior to these new rules.

    they simply said congress has the authority to make these new rules.
  • Scrappy
    I'm still looking for this report or just a brief statement on TV about the "domestic wiretapping" found legal by the FISA court. Haven't seen it yet and it's now Sunday morning. Maybe there's something wrong with my TV.
  • No Taps
    Neal, this ruling is extremely narrow and upholds the 2007 law. It does NOT justify the President's behavior of 2001-2006 in which he carried out the wiretap program in flagrant violation of explicit federal law.
  • Apologize for what?
    Ironically, Bush only started doing this specifically because FISA was shooting down his warrants (which it had never done with any other President, ever). FISA is just passing the buck so people stop complaining about it.
  • STILL CHECKING
    It's Saturday afternoon and I still haven't seen or heard anything on radio or TV about the "domestic wiretapping" being found legal. No any apologies either. I guess to report such news wouldn't support the left's regular practice of "Bush bashing" and they can't have any attention taken off the upcoming coronation.
  • Oath of Office
    Within The Constitution of the United States, the oath of office for the President states:
    "Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:--"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

    The Preamble to the Constitution of the United States states:
    "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

    Now to say that the President (or any other government employee who has taken the oath) can't "insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare" because of the 4th ammendment (or any other part of the Constitution) would be like forcing the police to stop at all the red lights and stop signs while they were in persuit of a fleeing (suspected) criminal, wouldn't it?
  • For those who think it's wrong to wiretap if an American citizen might be on the other end of the line, consider this...

    Even in the U.S., when you get a court order allowing you to wiretap a person's phone, you are also wiretapping everyone who CALLS that person. Are you saying the court now needs to issue a separate order allowing the wiretapping of every individual that person is going to speak to on the phone? Of course not. That's ludicrous.

    This is EXACTLY the same. We wiretap a phone overseas. We don't then have to get approval to listen to the people on the other end of that line.

    Common sense, folks.
  • WATCHING FOR REPORTS
    I've been watching all day for reports on this story. Now let's see ... have I heard any? Wait let me think - NOPE! But if the "domestic wiretapping" would've been deemed illegal, liberals would have wanted the president's head on a stick. Wait a minute... they do anyway! Most liberals need to be informed that National Security is the main job of the federal government, not wiping everyone's ass!
  • Call it what it is.
    Police state. I feel so sorry for people who stand and applaud the destruction of democracy.
  • Can you hear me now
    Stan, Stan, Stan, do really think your partner BHO will have time to listen in??? He's to busy giving away money.
  • Presidential Wiretapping?
    HAHAHA, this makes it sound like the president himself is doing the wiretapping. Hasnt Bush been on vacation too much to do this?
  • FISA
    That's Foreign Intelligence SURVEILLANCE Act
  • Changing of the guard, and mind.
    What is going to be really amazing over these next four years is the change of heart the Democrats have for things they used to scream and howl over under Bush's watch. This is just one. We've already seen these foul hypocrites on the wacko left state that deficits no longer matter.

    By the way, did anyone ever catch that feces slinging monkey running amok in Florida? What was Al Franken doing down there anyway?
  • wiretapping
    Let's stay on focus, Neal. Yeah, Obama is a hypocrite on wiretapping, but the real problem here is the blatantly unconstitutional ruling.

    And if one party on the conversation is in the United States, i'd say that is perfectly reasonable to call it domestic wiretapping.
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