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THE OTHER SIDE OF THOSE GREEDY RICH

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Neal Boortz
@ January 29, 2009 8:40 AM
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During this financial crisis, we've encountered countless people whining about the evil, filthy rich. Wealth envy has really reared its ugly head. For all those callers who call up and complain about corporate bonuses, here's a little something to consider.

The state of New York is going to lose $1 billion in tax revenue this year. Any guess as to why?? That's right .. cash bonuses to Wall Street employees decreased by 44% in 2008.

When it comes to the city of New York, employees brought home $18.4 billion in bonuses last year. Sounds like a lot .. until you realize that the year before, they brought home $33 billion. That is going to cost New York City $275 million in tax revenue.

An analysis by the State Comptroller Thomas DiNapoli says that this is the largest tax revenue percentage decline in over 30 years. Before the financial crisis, tax revenue from those evil, greedy rich people on Wall Street accounted for 20% of the state's tax revenues and 12% of New York City revenues.

But you go ahead and call up and tell me what a terrible person I am because I dared to defend the concept of corporate bonuses. Go ahead .. I'm standing by for the hate mail.



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What others are saying

  • Greedy Rich
    Who takes Ayn Rand seriously? She grew up under Czars and totalitarians, and it shows! Does it matter if she talks capitalism or individualism, if her instincts were those of a czar or a dictator? I imagine that in Ayn Rand's bizarro world, statues of Lenin and Stalin would be replaced by statues of Rand, Atlas and John Galt, her silly fiction books would be required reading, and objectivism would be the official dogma. Yes, some nice quotes can be pulled from her writings, but if bells aren't going off while you're reading, you aren't paying attention.

    While I have no desire to live under socialists, I understand that support of the "rich" can be naive or dishonest, as well. I don't care to be dominated by any economic group.
  • Think about this for a second...
    Hugo's ghost - not all finacial institutions are based in NYC, not all finacial jobs are based in NYC. This means not all of the 16.4B cut in bonuses as anything to do with NYC. So the theory that 275M is a really small percentage of 16.4B and suggesting the gov should increase taxes is a based on false pretenses.

    As for the general drop in bonuses, bonuses paid on performance, lets think about their performance in 2008 compared to 2009. These people in the securities industry measure performance in large part based on stock market performance. The market lost ~30% of its value in 2008. These people lost ~44% of their performance based pay. I work on commission. If my sales dropped 30%, but my comp check shrunk by 44%, I would shop around for a new company to sell for.
  • Hey James ...
    Who determines how much money is more than needed? The government? What is the exact amount of money a person can have without being called "greedy"? I think a better definition of greedy would be if you and 2 other guys were trapped in a cave and one guy had 10 days worth of food and you and the other guy had none. If the guy with food refuses to share in this instance, I would then call him greedy. Gee, for some reason that song by "The Bouys" called "Timothy" comes to mind.
  • NY Tax Revenue
    Don't cry to me NY, cut your expenses!
  • Not jealous of the rich....
    ...if any thing I am "jealous' of those in prison getting all the perks they don't deserve like multi-channels on TV. The rich, for the most part, got rich by working hard. I work hard, am raising my grandsons who lost their dad last month and we abide by the law. Yet those who break the law get perks they don't deserve. So help me get more than 1 TV station by taking it from the law breakers and leave the rich alone!
  • Inconsistency
    1. Neal Boortz is against income and capital gains taxes,

    2. Neal Boortz is complaining tax revenue from bonuses were down in NY in defense of those bonuses.

    That does not compute.

    How about we stay true to libertarian principles and continue to starve the city of tax revenue, forcing them to cut spending?

    @Diane: Ayn Rand didn't see into the future. The arguments posited by those across the political spectrum are as old as Government itself.
  • Are bonuses for performance or for taxes?
    Neal come on this is ridiculous. Are you seriously saying that Wall Street should pay bonuses so that the government can collect more taxes? Sorry that is my money those Wall Street dumbasses are getting for a bonus and I would rather they put it back in my retirement account that just lost half its value. Sorry you don't get paid a bonus to lose half my money. They don't deserve their salaries much less a bonus.
  • Wall Street bonuses
    If your performance was responsible for helping your company lose billions of dollars of investor capitol,how would a bonus be justified?
  • Old & Stale
    There are many excellent comments regarding your article Neal that maybe you should address. Otherwise this same routine is getting old and stale. And since it's your business, maybe you should realize it's not very entertaining either.
  • Some "Evil" Rich earned their image.....
    I imagine when people think of the "evil" rich, they are referring to the Ken Lays of the world telling their employees to buy stock, don't worry, your pension is fine, while unloading their stock and acting like they had no clue what was going on when caught. Remember Adelphia, Worldcom.
    Maybe a better label is the "unethical, law-breaking" rich rather than the "evil" rich. I think it's delusional to believe millions of Americans hate those that worked hard with admirable values and ethics at achieving financial success.
    Neal, you have to admit that there are dishonest people who have made a pile of money by making bad or unethical decisions that cause people to be laid-off or are given financial incentive to find ways to cut (lay-off) labor expense. The "evil" label comes in the way they go about it. If you can't see the difference, then God Bless You.
    No one is "owed" a living but we don't like being lied to by an employer or mislead. If you want to treat us as expendable labor, spare us the "one big happy family BS, here's your $25 holiday grocery gift certificate for your loyalty". It's an insult to our intelligence.
    I think it has become expected in the last 20 years there has been a shift in corporate values. Maximum profit over people is Job One. I didn't say profit, I said maximum profit.
    Loyalty and hard work are not valued qualities anymore by big corporate America. They value their shareholders as they should but do so over their employees. Only those corporate leaders that can balance the value of both shareholder AND employee deserve a big bonus. It is possible to do both versus one at the expense of the other while raking in a bonus.
  • No problem with bonuses
    I have no problem with these CEO's getting 100 million dollar bonuses. What I do have a problem with is a company that last year paid its CEO 100 million dollars, and that same CEO was blind to what was happening in this country and has bankrupted his company which now gets tax payer dollars. If we are going to advocate capitalism, then there should be absolutely no bailouts to any of these companies, much less companies that paid millions in bonuses last year.
  • bonuses
    Sheesh
    The point of this story was not that the companies should have given out the bonuses or whether they rec'd bailout money.
    The point is that income tax revenues are down because bonuses have not been paid out.
    So now the state and local gov'ts are stating tax revenue is decreasing.

    ie: If the "rich" are not bringing home huge incomes to tax, tax revenues go down.
    Sheesh.
  • Have any of you read...
    Atlas Shrugged? I am reading it now and as Iam reading I stop and think about the dialog that is taking place in our country today and it is pretty scary. Ayn Rand could see into the future.
  • GREED
    Oh and by the way heres your definition: greed
    Pronunciation: \ˈgrçd\
    Function: noun
    Etymology: back-formation from greedy
    Date: 1609
    : a selfish and excessive desire for more of something (as money) than is needed
  • ?what?
    So we're now supposed to feel bad that guys who were getting bonuses for basicaly running their companies into the tank aren't getting any ? And your argument in favor is that if they don't get them tax revenues in the big rotten apple will go down ? Maybe you should set your ideology aside for a minute and use some common sense.Nothing wrong with giving bonuses , but when your company has to beg for a handout to stay afloat do you really deserve a bonus ? Maybe in your twisted world the answer is yes but to the rest of us the answer is no .
  • I Can't Remember A Time When ...
    Someone that worked hard and made all the right decisions to be successful was considered a person to be admired by most. The majority of comments I hear is how the "evil rich" are either lucky, dishonest or somehow must have cheated to get what they have. I have concluded that the wealth envy crowd is only trying to convince themselves "rich" people are "evil" because it makes them feel better about themselves being underachieving, lazy or just complete failures. One more note ... for the "evil rich" to keep making their money, they must be very smart because this country's progressive tax laws make it harder every day to make a profit.
  • Greedy Rich
    I have no problem with a person becoming wealthy off his own labor, ideas or honest investments. But it's quite obvious that corruption is a problem with government and the private sector--and when they combine, the problem multiplies substantially. You don't have to be an economist or a radio host to understand that earnings for most Americans have been far outpaced by inflation. The same can't be said for the incomes of the top earners.

    The middle and lower classes spend money also. I would bet that most people on this board who are defending the "rich" are not wealthy, and probably will never be wealthy.

    I'm no Marxist, but I'm not an idiot, either.
  • How long until.....
    How long until we have some stupid asinine people saying that we should tax these rich executives based on the bonuses they would have received. This is liberals we're talking about here, remember.
  • Not only NY and not only rich
    You guys can bash the "rich' about these bonus' all you want, but although a "commission" is taxed at 45% right off the bat, there are other things you miss. Like the plans that these evil "rich" have for this money, like a nice family trip, work on the house or other nice item that would immediately put that money into the economy. So, the next time you wonder where your customers went, look at your post that is bashing the evil "rich". These people work very hard for the money they make, so quit complaining and work. You too may get a nice end of year bonus just to see half of it go to a corrupt government.
  • The Greedy Rich?
    If I had to choose, the so-called DEM leadership is far more corrupt and way more greedy than Corporate CEO's could ever dream to be. And they are way too eager to cover for each other - and help assess blame on others first. Senator Dodd covered for Fannie & Freddie while pocketing their $$$'s.

    The sad part is that city, state and federal governments base their spending plans on the enhanced tax revenue generated by the Evil Rich ... and when that well starts drying up our so-called leaders demand more in taxes rather than look for ways to spend less. The poor, poor punished taxpayers are forced to cut back spending to pay the taxes. Please, somebody explain why THAT is so much better? I dare you!
  • WEALTH ENVY WILL DESTOY US ALL
    Wealth envy will destroy this country. Why? It's simple ... "Rich" people keep this country going through supplying jobs and collecting and paying the majority of taxes that run our country. "Rich" people do the leg work so others can entrench themselves in sports, beer drinking and idol glorifying. Just imagine what would happen if we didn't have "rich" people. The true villians are government schools because of their failure to properly educate it's children.
  • The Greedy Rich
    Neal is a big whiner himself. The problem is corruption in government and business, and the average American is forced to cover the costs either way. Neal would have called the men who tossed the tea into Boston Harbor losers in life!
  • Tax the Rich = Risky Scheme
    Have any of our fearless leaders in Congress thought about the added risk they're taking on by focusing nearly all of the tax burden on the upper 10% of tax payers?

    The upper 10% are the most informed, aware, and proactive managers of their affairs. For the most part, they are the ones that have the means and the expert advice needed to move their capital to places and projects where it won't be confiscated by the government. Once the burden hits, that capital is history. It'll be great sport watching Congressional leaders twitch and squirm when their tax base dries up?
  • Corporate Bonuses
    Boy, talk about Pinheads! What Neal is saying (and has said for years) is that it is up to Wall Street (or rather, the individual companies) and their stockholders, whether they pay bonuses or not. Many of you should try actually listening to what he says before you spout off from the mouth. We are heading for the abyss, and like lemmings, we're all going to follow the democrats and their annointed leader right off the edge. Grow some brains, people, before its too late!
  • Bashing the rich
    It's the same reason that governments criticize "speeding"--to provide some attempt of moral justification for writing ticket$$$.

    It's a lot easier to tax a group--and at least get some members to shut up about it--if you demonize 'em good first.
  • filthy rich
    Neal, I have no problem with what a corporation deems appropriate to give to execs as bonuses, mainly because I have no say in it. Neither should government. But if I were a shareholder I'd be down at headquarters with torches and pitchforks. That's where to outrage should come from.
  • The other side of the greedy rich
    As long as it comes out of the shareholder's pockets and not mine, it really doesn't matter. Except, that it does conjure up thoughts of greed and excess given to CEO's who failed at their jobs, but were given millions of dollars to go away.
  • THE OTHER SIDE OF THOSE GREEDY RICH
    You missed this easy one Neal. What has not been factored into your thoughts on this matter is first the bonuses are usually paid based on performance. Were the performances of these firms so stellar that the executives deserved bonuses? Second, if the bonuses were not paid, both New York City and New York state would have collected taxes via the corporate income tax. Finally, if TARP or other Federal funds were used to pay bonuses, the executives received their cut despite poor job performance and the city and state received revenue via an indirect transfer from federal to state/local governments.
  • How else can they learn?
    Neal, bonuses are to be paid out to employees that have contributed to the financial success of a business. If a business is losing money, bonuses are witheld. To do otherwise would not only be fiscally irresponsible, but would not send the proper message to the employee. What parent rewards a child that misbehaves?
  • WAH WAH WAH
    I am really crying cause rich NYers arent getting bonuses because Bush put the economy in the toilet.
  • Raise Taxes
    They will tell us they have no choice but to raise taxes. If you dare suggest that the government cut back espenditures, they will threaten to eliminate vital services first.
  • The Greedy Rich?
    We are experiencing much the same dilemma here in Connecticut. Many of the those Evil, Greedy Capitalists live along our Gold Coast, and with the possible exception of the Entertainment Elites like David Letterman, most of their earnings have fallen causing our tax revenues to fall. Our RINO governor is looking to bond $500M to fund the state budget shortfalls.

    Me? I'm implementing my Escape Plan and moving to Ft. Myers ... then possibly on to Belize. They are not going to stick me with the cost of their incompetence.
  • So what?
    So we are supposed to support enormous bonuses paid to failing executives with taxpayer bailout funds, because the executives pay taxes? Why not cut out the middleman and just bail out the state government?

    Any company who is accepting bailout money has admitted they are a complete failure and don't know how to run a business. They don't deserve bonuses, least of all from taxpayers. If the government had any sense, they would have given bailout money on the condition there be no pay raises or bonuses for several years following the receipt of taxpayer bailout money.

    (Of course, if they had any sense, there wouldn't have been a bailout in the first place, but we're beyond that)
  • Bonuses
    God, you are such a pinhead. So, you're saying that Wall Street should go ahead and pay out bonuses this year so New York can recover lost tax revenue? I'm all for paying out bonuses based on performance-seems to me, nobody earned one this year. And Neal, what if Merrill Lynch had decided to give ALL their employees (from janitors to pilots) big bonuses in past years? New York would still get the tax revenue. And if NYC is only getting $275m from a $14.6B gap, they need to be looking at their tax rates. Or you need to check your math.
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