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THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE BROUHAHA

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Neal Boortz
@ November 17, 2008 8:11 AM
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If you have been listening to me for a while, or have been a regular reader of Nealz Nuze, you know how I feel about the Pledge of Allegiance. Particularly the idea of anyone expecting government school children to pledge allegiance to their country.

So apparently there is a little brouhaha in Vermont over how and where children should say the Pledge of Allegiance. This departs from the typical - whether or not they would be allowed to say it or forced to say it. Here's the brief scenario: A parent by the name of Ted Tedesco wanted his child's school to return to the daily practice of saying the pledge. So school officials say OK, but they decide not to have the children say the pledge in the classroom. Instead, they assign a student to go around the school and gather anyone who wants to say the pledge ... then they all walk to the gym and a student leads the pledge. Apparently about half of the students participate. This wasn't good enough for Ted Tedesco. He says that this solution is "disruptive to routine and inappropriate." He says, "Saying the Pledge in the classroom is legal, convenient and traditional ... Asking kindergarten through sixth graders who want to say the Pledge to leave their classrooms to do so is neither convenient nor traditional."

So the school changed its routine, again. This time all of the students came out into the hallway at 8am and said the pledge. Then the filed back into their classrooms. People aren't happy with this solution either. They want to know why the children can't just say it in the classrooms.

Look, folks. If we put this much passion and interest into what students were actually learning in the classroom, maybe our education system wouldn't be producing a nation of burger flippers.



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  • This
    The pledge of allegence should be recited! It is an act of respect to our country, and its veterans who served our country
  • Pledge of Allegiance
    It has been unconstitutional to compel anyone to say the Pledge since 1943. This debate is about the message that is sent those children who have to leave the classromm to participate in a legal and traditional patriotic ceremony. Check out the blog at http://savethepledgeofallegiance.blogspot.com/ Best wishes, Ted.
  • It's easy.
    "If we put this much passion and interest into what students were actually learning in the classroom, maybe our education system wouldn't be producing a nation of burger flippers."

    The whole point about parents, students, teachers, etc, who complain about such things is that they are they easy things to complain about. The three "solutions" listed would take all of a nanosecond to come up with. Easy. Paying attention to what the kid is actually learning (and how that learning is being done) is much more difficult. So...what about those lunchroom lines!
  • The Pledge and Govt Schools
    Local listener here...kids in Cobb County Schools. I have to say that at least in Cobb, my kids say the Pledge and the school plays the Lee Greenwood song which all the kids and teachers sing. It's awesome every time I go. On top of that, the teachers in our school are actually teaching and the kids are actually learning...we're lucky!
  • Prayer
    What is the big deal if you have to say it. So what I am an atheist and I could care less if people put god on everything. It does not harm me and it does not effect my everyday life.

    People just want something to complain about.
  • The Pledge of Allegiance
    I think the point is that we are supposed to have an allegiance to the ideals of the constitution. Not to the country. This country changes hands and political ideals constantly. If I had children (and I don't) I wouldn't want my government forcing my children to swear an allegience to the government (which is what this is) or an allegience to a specific religion (which it is ALSO). Voluntary is fine. That's part of what freedom is. I think we so easily forget that the government is supposed to be loyal to US first. Otherwise, they don't get my loyalty.
  • Pledge
    If you pledge your allegiance once, then you've pledged it. Does your allegiance disappear overnight or over the weekend? When entering the military you pledge to support and defend the Constitution, etc. You've taken a pledge once and it was good for your entire enlistment.
    So saying the pledge is OK but then doesn't it get redundant after a while?
  • ruined for life
    i had to say the pledge and a morning prayer. back when, we had parents and the fine folks who ran the schools were more interested in the children than how much money they can squeeze out of their county and to pledge or not to pray. let's cut federal funds to the schools who don't want the pledge!
  • Neal's Best Advice
    I am so glad I took Neal's best advice ever. I have one child because that is all I could afford to send to private school.

    Heaven help all these pitiful kids coming up today.
  • Pledge
    People get concerned with these unimportant "issues" (and I use that term loosely). People often complain that we need to bring back the saying of the pledge or bring back prayer in schools, hell what we should be concerned about is the complete lack of an education that these schools give our children. Class afte class after class of graduates are being produced each and every year who do not have the slightest clue about anything, from basic math to history. More than a few can barely read and write properly. And all we are concerned with is the pledge. I would laugh if it wasn't so sad.
  • Back when I was grade school...
    Which seems like a few lifetimes ago, but in reality, was roughly 20 years ago, we had to say the Pledge. Maybe my perspective is a bit different, though, because I went to a Catholic school. Anyway, we had to say the Pledge (and our morning prayer) fom 1st grade through 8th. In 8th grade, as part of our required study of the Constitution and U.S. History for our graduation, our history teacher went through the Pledge, line by line, and dicussed exactly what each line meant, what we were pledging, and how this tied into the concept of freedom, and the concept of a republic (Neal, you are correct in your assertion that private schools DO teach such concepts!). As a kid, I remember not really paying attention to what we were saying, not really caring about it, not being offended or bothered by it. Why do I get the seaking suspicon that kids today, unless influenced by their parents to be bothered, feel much the same way I did? I guess I can see a kid raised in an atheist household not wanting to say the "Under God" part (which obviously was not an issue in a Catholic school), but beyond that, I just can't imagine kids care much either way. I bet a lot of the kids that leave do so to drag out having to start the school day, rather than being passionate about saying the Pledge. I personally favor making it optional in the classroom. At the end of the day, this is a drop of water in the sea of issues with which we should be concerned. No one is damaged by saying the Pledge, or not saying it. As long as parents are more concerned with the Pledge of Allegiance, the focus is taken off real problems, like the lack of respect that children show adults, the low reading, math and science scores, the myriad of anti-American indoctrination and the like will go unaddressed, which actually hurts the children.
  • Pledge
    I'm fine with not making it mandatory. But let the pledge be made in the classroom before the class. That shows the traditions of America, and that making the pledge "normal" in routine. Bringing it to the gym makes it outside the norm, and me thinks its more for those that want NOT to say it, to think about why they might NOT want to.
  • Burgers
    Neal. I have to disagree with you here.

    If our government schools aren't producing burger flippers, who on earth is going to flip my burgers?
  • Pledge
    I agree that the pledge ought to be said in the classrooms--but as long as it's not mandatory. When I was a kid, I happily said the pledge each day, until, that is, the state made it a REQUIREMENT. At that point, I continued to stand for the pledge, but never said it. Patriotism should always be a choice, and never be coerced.
    And if anyone reading this questions my patriotism, I'll tell you right now that I believe in this country enough to fight for it--28 years in the Marines!
  • The Pledge Of Allegiance
    Neal, The best think about have kids learn and say the Pledge is as politicians keep insisting "We are a Democracy". All you have to do is ask a kid to recite the Pledge and stop them when they get to the line, "to the Republic for which it stands". Republic, not "To democracy for which it stands". Even a Gub'ment skool 8th grader can understand the politicians are lying to us.
  • The Pledge Tempest in Teapot
    I kind of like the voluntary, round up all who want to say and go to the gym method. It promotes individual choice (hopefully one they've put some thought into) and requires commitment (or at least enough to hoof it to the gym) from the student. This is way better than the brain-dead droning we did when I was in government schools. We might as well of been pledging to be sheep!
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