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Be careful when someone like Obama mentions "American Dream", as his meaning may diverge widely from the concept in your head.<br> <br> The collectivist termites were loosed into the American woodwork, dating from the early 1800's. These early Utopians were pretty much communists who wanted to convince others by reason. They of course were later replaced by communists who wanted to convince others with clubs and guns.<br> <br> See Flynn, Daniel J., A Conservative History of the American Left<br> <br> See Goldberg, Jonah, Liberal Fascism<br> <br> Both are great, if depressing reads.<br> <br> v/r,<br> <br> -- Bud
By Bud Hammons

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